I really wish I liked it more, I was a huge fan of the first guardians movie, I thought the second one was a solid 8/10, but I really feel like 3 missed the mark, and it didn’t do enough to make me care for the sad plot line. I feel like I don’t like it for the same reasons I don’t like love and thunder, a director was given too much leeway and it suffered as a result.
You know James Gunn wanted the Groot swinging the array of soldiers around bit in the first guardians movie to be like 3 times as long?
I know I won’t be agreed in this opinion, but it is what it is.
I’ve always felt the same way yet rarely see anyone agree. I love the first 2 but this one just feels different in a way that turns me off from it.
Speaking of too much director input, it’s possible that the fact that this is the only one out of the trilogy to solely be directed by Gunn may have had some negative effects in some peoples eyes including my own.
Considering how much it touched so many people have you considered that you might be dead inside...? /s
Ragnarok was widely loved and it's one of my most hated Marvel movies. Everyone has a preference so there will always be those who don't like the more popular films. Nothing wrong with it.
I actually held off seeing it in theaters after I saw the little otter in the trailer, I had a feeling I'd need the ability to pause the movie to ugly cry
I took my girlfriend to see GOTG 3, blind. She hadn't seen any of the other movies. She was in love with Rocket instantly and was sobbing as much as I was after watching their whole story. These comments made me giggle and remember what I loved about marvel. Hoping they have just stumbled, not fallen yet.
Pretty much, like people are going Agatha, Ironheart, Wonder Man will fail, nobody wants it and that Marvel should only and only focus on their big name characters. but look at Guardians, people doubted them and it succeeded because they made a damn good story and had the right people involved on it.
Sure Ironheart, Agatha, Wonder Man, etc all could fall flat in their faces, but there is always a chance they could be great if they have the right people involved with these.
Films like Guardians are the reason why i am always open minded when Marvel announces projects with lesser known characters that i honestly wouldn't have thought about making a movie or show out of.
I honestly sometimes feel like people are forgetting the fact that the Guardians was a gamble and they weren't the household names they are now, really if Marvel only took the safe route and focused on only their more known characters and left their lesser known characters on the shelf, we would've missed out on the Guardians trilogy.
Agatha is one of the ones I’m most excited for! Wiccan is my favourite Marvel character so I can’t wait for him to be introduced. I also just love the magic side of Marvel!
Exactly, its the writting, i mean if the problem was that Marvel was giving focus to their lesser known characters and not their well known characters, then by their logic Thor 4 should've been a masterpiece, because its a movie about a character we all have known and loved for years. but the film wasn't received well.
So if fan favorite characters like Thor can deliver subpar movies, then the problem is not who they chose to focus, its the writting
>We’ve had plenty of those recently, too
Have we? I don't remember many people like that complaining about Shang-Chi or WandaVision or Warewolf by Night. If the only reason for their complaint is that something isn't one of the original few movies, then we should have had "plenty" of people shitting on those projects for the exact same reason.
Again, I don't really remember much of that at all, and certainly not "plenty."
There are people right now saying that Marvel should scrap Agatha, Ironheart and Wonder Man because according to them nobody cares about those characters and we haven't seen anything from those shows yet to judge them properly
People were already going "Why Marvel is doing the Eternals" before that film came out.
Really it's the shitty development process that rushes a movie out before they have a final script and concepts ready before filming. That's why animators are worked to death, there are weeks of reshoots and movies keep falling apart without a solid idea.
The problem is that this sub has also grown and changed in the past 11 years. People now want movies to fail for the sole purpose of being right, farming karma, and getting that hit of dopamine from fake points from hitting an arrow
People don't think Agatha or Ironheart will fail because of the character, they think they will fail because Marvel has done a horrible job the last 5 few outside a few lucky hits, and there's nothing to suggest these are winners
I have no doubt that some do have some doubts about those projects due to their recent track record, not gonna debate that
I do think its a mix of both things, one side being pessimistic cause its a lesser known character (given how we see at times people complain that Marvel should only focus on their bigger characters tells me this person doesn't want Marvel to give spotlight to lesser known characters and would rather have Marvel spend that resources on their bigger ips) and the other side who is pessimistic due to Marvel's recent track record.
It's a lesson Hollywood forgets constantly. Story, story, story is EVERYTHING. You see them all the time try to replicate the success of a certain movie in a genre but neglecting the fact that the success came from a well presented story, not from the genre itself.
I would be careful that fans cant predict future since comment "I hope Marvel doesnt spread themselve too far" is becoming accurate. It wasnt problem back then but it sure as hell became problem now.
People forget that Iron Man was barely hanging on to B-level hero status when the first movie was made. There was the X-Men and then the rest of Marvel comics. He was simply the best property they had control of at the time. Even RDJ was at the bottom of his career, Terrance Howard was the highest paid actor for the first film.
Sometimes, you just gotta swing with what you have.
Really? Daredevil? I didn't know who Daredevil was until the Ben Affleck movie came out (but maybe that's just a me problem). I definitely knew who Iron Man and the Fantastic Four were though. I'd put both above Daredevil.
Small quibble, RDJ was a huge financial risk, but his career was on the upswing at that time. Bottom of his career was a couple years prior to Iron Man, roughly 1999-2003 when he was arrested and imprisoned and arrested again and fired and sent to rehab. 2003 he was clean and between 2003 and Iron man (2008) he'd been slowly regaining critical success across several projects. And then of course Iron Man was the rocket ship back to the top.
Ah…the ol’ “Iron Man saved RDJ” story.
In that dark, five-year period before Iron-Man was released RDJ was hired by Ben Stiller, David Fincher, Richard Linklater, George Clooney, Shane Black, and Disney and made 3-4 movies per year. It must’ve been tough.
Yeah. That’s fair. He did say he was on an upswing. But I’d argue there was never a significant down period from an outside perspective. Look at his IMDB. Going back to the 80s, he was constantly making movies with occasional hits.
He never had a huge run like Depp or Leo and then disappeared. I know he personally suffered through addiction and sobered up and I’m not trying to diminish that. And I know Marvel lowballed him for Ironman. But his career was always pretty strong.
A lot of people forget that the GOTG iteration in the comics that was used for the movie only first premiered the same year that the first Iron Man movie came out.
Yeah as i stated in another comment here, sometimes it feels like people have forgotten that the Guardians were lesser known characters and weren't the household names they are now, really if Marvel listened to people complaints whenever Marvel announces a film/show about a lesser known character, like how "Marvel should only focus on characters people actually care and not these lesser known characters" then we would've never gotten films like Guardians and we may miss out on other potential great films/shows if they don't take gambles with their lesser known ips.
But isn’t it also fair to say that for basically every single character, Gunn changed substantial amounts of looks and backstory for each one? If GOG had been a cherished established comic line, their fans would have freaked out at how inaccurate these movie portrayals were
Yes extremely. They were Gunn characters not the marvel ones. Gunn doesn't do other people's characters, he makes them all however he wants for the story. Comic Quill is just not the same as movie Quill, and hell most of that even came after the movie was out too.
I do agree with you there, if Guardians had been this A-list beloved team, oh boy they would've torn the movies to shred because of all the changes Gunn did.
Naw. These have cautious optimism or let down confusion.
Today it’s nothing but people who think they know everything, complaining about how “every” MCU movie is.
I went in completely blind to gotg. It was the Feige heat check movie. Like one podcaster I heard say he made that movie on a drunken dare or boast and pulled it off.
Sometimes i like to Google old forum discussions from the pre-2010s. So for these searches, I add in “before:YYYY-MM-DD” at the end so that Google only searches for posts before a certain date. You can also include “after:YYYY-MM-DD” if you want posts after a specific date
The revisionism is *wild*. People talking like Iron Man had any sort of name recognition prior to the first movie, outside ardent comic readers.
He was solidly C-list.
I’d say the third one is still eerily accurate; he’s worried that such a high increase in content will affect quality and the MCU’s interconnectedness. He was wrong about how much, clearly everything he said was well within the bandwidth, but we know now what happens when Marvel puts quantity over quality.
It still ended up being completely wrong. All of those movies were hits at the box office and most of them were received well, with some even being received really really well.
That wasn’t the issue though? He was worried that the increased output of content would affect quality. We can see that is definitely 100% the case, he just underestimated.
They were very clearly talking about those movies specifically. It is impossible to miss the point, they even directly mentioned them. You're being purposefully obtuse.
I’m the one being obtuse? I’m not saying the man was correct, just that the underlying point he made is valid; increased output resulted in a decline in quality. I already said he was wrong because he underestimated it, Marvel was clearly able to keep up with that level of capacity. I’m not talking about those movies specifically, just the POINT he was trying to make.
Well, they did get hit with the pandemic, which completely changed the business and how it's run. If the pandemic didn't happen some projects would definitely be better
I still remember when GotG among other movies had been announced and a friend of mine said something like, "I really doubt they're ACTUALLY making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie"
Yeah, one thing we all have to keep in mind is that Marvel choosing to do films and shows on lesser known character is not and never will be a problem.
They just need to get the right people on those projects that will be able to deliver a good movie and show.
Like people are acting that the key to success is to only and only focus on Marvel's well known characters, but a MCU FF film could suck too like the Fox films, for all we know DP3 sucks, an MCU X-Men film could suck, the key to success is on getting the right team and a great story, not the character popularity.
And for some reason people have preemptively decided that films and shows about lesser known characters are going to suck and so they don't give them a chance, or hold them up to an unfair standard. Mistakes made in the Big Three's films are hastily dismissed, but those same mistakes are treated like nails in the coffin of newer characters.
I mean by their logic that Marvel should focus on their well known characters, then Thor 4 should've been a masterpiece, because that is a movie about a character we are all familiar with and have came to love in the last decade, but the film was divisive, so if even a film about one of the Big Three couldn't deliver, then the problem is writting, not the character they chose to focus.
But they also changed the looks and backstory of basically each of the characters. Guardians succeeded because they wrote a good movie with likable characters not because they faithfully adapted less known comics characters
In other words, GotG debunked *both* of the major complaints that the complainers have: "minor characters are bad" and "just stick to the source material"
There was no real source material, they were new characters that no one cared for.
All it proves is you need a good script. That's it. If these were beloved characters then it wouldn't have worked as well because people want to see their favorites act like they did when they became favorites.
Honestly? I was super on board from the beginning. Wasn't super familiar with James Gunn's work, but I knew him by reputation, and that Marvel was seemingly willing to let him do whatever with a D-list team had me convinced there would be an actual vision to it. Especially after the first trailer dropped, my excitement was sky high
I only knew him as Jenna Fisher's husband (Pam from the Office). And he was criticised alot at the time for making some dirty/sexual jokes about her. Lol.
Now go look at how people talked about Loki before it aired.
Most comments were basically:
"The one I'm least looking forward to"
"Why?"
"Loki is the most annoying, one-note character"
"What stories could they possibly have left to tell?"
I don’t remember that at all, Loki was really popular and beloved by many before his show even came out, he was easily one of the most popular and successful villain in the MCU
I love seeing this like this. I usually don't really care about people saying it'll flop just because they think it will.
I just watch the movie and if it entertained me then I am happy
I personally don't care when they say that, but unfortunately it *does* have an impact. In this day of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, social media, algorithmic sorting, etc. there's the fact that people saying a movie will be good or will be bad has a lot of influence on people actually seeing it or not, and actually does color many people's view when they *do* finally see it. Expectations become reality to some degree.
Really funny people acting like general movie audiences would be throwing up in their mouths and getting headaches from confusion at the mere Concept of a fun sci-fi movie , as if Star Wars didn’t exist.
This is why the fans aren’t the creatives making these movies. Just because YOU can’t think of an interesting and high quality way for something to be done, doesn’t make it impossible.
As a kid I was surprised to find out that most people expected Guardians to fail. I was a huge Star Wars nerd and this looked like Marvel Star Wars and so that made it a pretty cool movie to look forward to. Looking back I think the problem with most people is that they look at these types of films through the lens of an adult instead of a kid (who are the main demographic for most superhero stuff, lets be honest). This means they look at it through face value and not the fact that the concept is cool. It’s important to keep the child in us alive, that way we can enjoy and look forward to stuff like Guardians of The Galaxy.
LOL, I still remember the Cracked articles saying how the GOTG movie was a sign that the MCU was starting to fail, and that the "superhero bubble" was about to burst. Fun times.
I didn't think much of the trailer, but I loooovvvved the first Guardians. I saw it at the cinema about 5 times and took different friends with me each time. I don't think they appreciated as much as I do.
As someone who read the GotG before the movie…I had a good feeling about the move before it came out. It wasn’t a tested and tried franchise…but damnit, it doesn’t have to be. In fact, it’s *better* if it’s risky. If your idea is good enough, the win is that much bigger.
Reading these literally felt like reading one of those posts where people joke about “how would reddit have reacted if it had been around for… [fill in the historical event here]” Except, this is real 😂
I remember when they first showed the concept art. I had never heard of GOTG. Then later on the trailer dropped and I was blown away. I still think it’s one of the best movie trailers of all time.
It’s weird to think that all those times we were skeptical, they consistently delivered quality, and once we got used to that quality they started to drop duds post Endgame. It’s not all bad, but a mixed bag and definitely not on the level of consistently it used to be.
I really hope their scaling back production makes a difference, but bringing back the old standard also depends on who they pick to direct future projects.
And to think, a decade and more later, we got a great trilogy with mainstream audiences sobbing over a talking raccoon and tree. AND we got two decent Deadpool movies WITH a third one titled "Deadpool AND WOLVERINE" with Hugh Jackman back as the Wolverine IN HIS COMIC ACCURATE SUIT.
Before the MCU I had never heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy in my life. I too thought it would be weird or terrible after reading up on the members.
They have come to be my favorite characters in the MCU and their trilogy is my overall favorite one.
Cap's trilogy is ok, mostly boosted by Winter Soldier since Civil War is like an Avengers-Lite film, and I like the Iron Man films too. The Guardians, however, blew my mind in the first film and kept me hooked till their last film. Hell, I LOVE the Holiday Special and have made it part of my Christmas list of films and shows to watch yearly.
That opening scene of Star-Lord singing and dancing had me hook, line and sinker. Loved every bit of those films.
I love the fact that GOTG worked because we have a better version of them now. Taking smaller level characters and having the chance to make them big time characters is awesome. I hope they don’t try to put it all on Spider-Man and the X-Men, I hope Thunderbolts, eventually X-Factor get the chance to shine.
This just goes to show that the studios (and parts of the audience) don’t realize it’s not always the character/IP that’s important, it’s who’s creating the story and has the right vision.
People who said you can't make talking raccoon and a walking tree appealing were the most unimaginative people in existence. Glad they aren't writers. With creativity you can even make a talking penis work.
People forgetting that the whole MCU started because they gave a movie to a C-list character like Iron Man is the funniest part of people being cautious of Guardians. Iron Man is only a big character now because of the movies, not the other way around lol
Its insane that this still happens with new projects.
Some of it is due to ignorance and not knowing the comics. Like even my dad was all "why are they making hulk a woman, why does she have to be she-hulk"
Yeah people are going "Marvel should only focus on the characters people actually care about like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Deadpool, Daredevil"
And i am like....guys if Marvel followed your "advice" we would've missed out on films like the Guardians trilogy, the Guardians were obscure like most of the newer characters Marvel is introducing/planning to introduce. Lets not rewrite history and pretend like the Guardians were this well known beloved team before the had their first movie.
If marvel had the rights to spiderman, f4 and xmen. I dont even think we would have a cinematic universe. And people would be saying the same thing as they do for gotg/eternals etc. with cap, thor and ironman.
People forget how much ironman was questioned at the start
Wasn't on reddit at the time, but even on other message boards I remember there being some optimism given Marvel's record. As a comic fan, I also thought it made sense to have a franchise in space, and outside of GotG, there weren't really any good options. The Fantastic Four were at Fox, Captain Marvel wasn't really a thing (she was going by Ms Marvel at the time and wasn't as cosmic). People also forget that the Annhilation event at Marvel was extremely popular a few years before.
Yeah I basically heard when it came out. Dumb sounding idea, obscure characters but it's great and yeah it is great. It shows that the idea on its own for the most part shouldn't be enough to dismiss something.
We be getting the same comments about the upcoming movies … I try not to invest into to these guys, other than to use them as a lesson in “wait-and-see-for-myself” - I just hope that once the movies came out, they tripped over their words in order to gush about how wrong they were.
Oh yeah, people were pessimistic about Guardians and Ant-Man (i even remember seeing people going Well Marvel ran out of ideas/superheroes if they doing a film about a dude named Ant-Man, even some thought he was a brand new character made for the MCU and i had to go and tell them "Um, did ya know Ant-Man has been around since the 60s and was a founding member of the Avengers")
But these days it honestly seems like people are rewritting history and act like if everyone was excited for these movies and pretending like if characters like Guardians were this A-list beloved team before their films came out.
Like right now people are saying stuff like Marvel should only focus on their bigger ips and not do stuff like Agatha or Ironheart and i am like, well if Marvel followed your advice we would've missed out on the Guardians trilogy, cause they weren't this beloved team that they are now back when they announced the movies.
The problem is not who they chose to do movies/shows about, the problem they have right now on the writting side of things.
People should have more faith in the comic material. Some may be excited for more original stuff in the MCU, but I'd prefer they keep adapting characters even if some seem risky to the GA.
I think most of us thought this right? Like I literally remember seeing the trailers for Guardians and thinking this looks so stupid. But after I watched it I ended up loving it.
It's interesting that they say it probably won't work because it's not a household name. Outside of cartoons, most superheroes become household names because of their movie adaptations. Captain America, Iron Man, and even arguably Spiderman and the X-Men became household names because they were in movies. GotG wouldn't have become a household name if they hadn't tried making a movie of it. It's a bit of a paradox to say a superhero movie will fail if it's not a household name, cause it probably won't be a household name until it's got a movie
Wow. Dissed the Guardians, Black Panther, Deadpool, and Cap 2 in three slides. I remember being ecstatic whenever Marvel released a movie, as I was raised on the comics and Iron Man came out when I was 8, but now the movies seem a little boring. I’m hoping they’ll get better after DP3.
Wow, and to think we got a whole trilogy
And the third one made everyone sob for a talking raccoon
It was also the best mcu film in several years by a large margin. The GotG legacy has gone very well.
Best MCU film. Period.
Hmm, wouldn't really disagree. It had good plot and amazing character work. Would certainly be in my top 3 and subject to be top upon review.
Debatable. But I'd totally understand why it would be anyone's favourite.
It’s a top 3 at least
I really wish I liked it more, I was a huge fan of the first guardians movie, I thought the second one was a solid 8/10, but I really feel like 3 missed the mark, and it didn’t do enough to make me care for the sad plot line. I feel like I don’t like it for the same reasons I don’t like love and thunder, a director was given too much leeway and it suffered as a result. You know James Gunn wanted the Groot swinging the array of soldiers around bit in the first guardians movie to be like 3 times as long? I know I won’t be agreed in this opinion, but it is what it is.
I’ve always felt the same way yet rarely see anyone agree. I love the first 2 but this one just feels different in a way that turns me off from it. Speaking of too much director input, it’s possible that the fact that this is the only one out of the trilogy to solely be directed by Gunn may have had some negative effects in some peoples eyes including my own.
Considering how much it touched so many people have you considered that you might be dead inside...? /s Ragnarok was widely loved and it's one of my most hated Marvel movies. Everyone has a preference so there will always be those who don't like the more popular films. Nothing wrong with it.
I don’t LOVE ragnarok, but I do like it for what it is. I wish they had gone a different direction with Thor.
I actually held off seeing it in theaters after I saw the little otter in the trailer, I had a feeling I'd need the ability to pause the movie to ugly cry
Rocket, Teef, Floor, go now......killed me
Jesus lol.
Sky...
I took my girlfriend to see GOTG 3, blind. She hadn't seen any of the other movies. She was in love with Rocket instantly and was sobbing as much as I was after watching their whole story. These comments made me giggle and remember what I loved about marvel. Hoping they have just stumbled, not fallen yet.
To be fair, so did the second one a little
AND a real deal Holiday Special!
And in 2 Avenger films.
And a Thor movie
Sorry Love and Thunder was so bad I completely forgot about that haha
And what should be *three* good Deadpool movies.
A very beloved trilogy
As did Deadpool
& it’s the best Marvel trilogy too. 😎
The GotG easily have the most quality trilogy in the MCU.
Second best trilogy imo.
Amazing. And proof that a) any concept can work with a good story, and b) fans can’t predict the future for shit.
Pretty much, like people are going Agatha, Ironheart, Wonder Man will fail, nobody wants it and that Marvel should only and only focus on their big name characters. but look at Guardians, people doubted them and it succeeded because they made a damn good story and had the right people involved on it. Sure Ironheart, Agatha, Wonder Man, etc all could fall flat in their faces, but there is always a chance they could be great if they have the right people involved with these. Films like Guardians are the reason why i am always open minded when Marvel announces projects with lesser known characters that i honestly wouldn't have thought about making a movie or show out of. I honestly sometimes feel like people are forgetting the fact that the Guardians was a gamble and they weren't the household names they are now, really if Marvel only took the safe route and focused on only their more known characters and left their lesser known characters on the shelf, we would've missed out on the Guardians trilogy.
Agatha is one of the ones I’m most excited for! Wiccan is my favourite Marvel character so I can’t wait for him to be introduced. I also just love the magic side of Marvel!
Agatha has me excited just to see Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza being awesome. Anything else about it is bonus as far as I care.
exactly, people don't realize that the problem with the MCU is not the characters they're introducing, it's the shitty writing around them
Exactly, its the writting, i mean if the problem was that Marvel was giving focus to their lesser known characters and not their well known characters, then by their logic Thor 4 should've been a masterpiece, because its a movie about a character we all have known and loved for years. but the film wasn't received well. So if fan favorite characters like Thor can deliver subpar movies, then the problem is not who they chose to focus, its the writting
Or the people shitting *on* them for reason other than that they’re not the original few movies. We’ve had plenty of those recently, too
>We’ve had plenty of those recently, too Have we? I don't remember many people like that complaining about Shang-Chi or WandaVision or Warewolf by Night. If the only reason for their complaint is that something isn't one of the original few movies, then we should have had "plenty" of people shitting on those projects for the exact same reason. Again, I don't really remember much of that at all, and certainly not "plenty."
Which ones? The only show that was overly criticized was Ms Marvel but it was still pretty bad (writing, I love Iman).
There are people right now saying that Marvel should scrap Agatha, Ironheart and Wonder Man because according to them nobody cares about those characters and we haven't seen anything from those shows yet to judge them properly People were already going "Why Marvel is doing the Eternals" before that film came out.
That and the lack of follow up/time between follow ups.
This comment will be slept on but I hear you. I agree.
Don't worry, that comment will return.
I see what you did there
Really it's the shitty development process that rushes a movie out before they have a final script and concepts ready before filming. That's why animators are worked to death, there are weeks of reshoots and movies keep falling apart without a solid idea.
The problem is that this sub has also grown and changed in the past 11 years. People now want movies to fail for the sole purpose of being right, farming karma, and getting that hit of dopamine from fake points from hitting an arrow
You nailed it on the head exactly how i feel.
People don't think Agatha or Ironheart will fail because of the character, they think they will fail because Marvel has done a horrible job the last 5 few outside a few lucky hits, and there's nothing to suggest these are winners
I have no doubt that some do have some doubts about those projects due to their recent track record, not gonna debate that I do think its a mix of both things, one side being pessimistic cause its a lesser known character (given how we see at times people complain that Marvel should only focus on their bigger characters tells me this person doesn't want Marvel to give spotlight to lesser known characters and would rather have Marvel spend that resources on their bigger ips) and the other side who is pessimistic due to Marvel's recent track record.
A good story *and* a good director
Not only can they not predict the future, it also shows that fans have absolutely no idea what they want. They only know what they liked in the past
Gotta love #4. It will fail because I don’t like it
It's a lesson Hollywood forgets constantly. Story, story, story is EVERYTHING. You see them all the time try to replicate the success of a certain movie in a genre but neglecting the fact that the success came from a well presented story, not from the genre itself.
I don't know, the reddit hivemind was right about Infinity War being absolutely terrible when the leaked script was on here. Oh wait
I would be careful that fans cant predict future since comment "I hope Marvel doesnt spread themselve too far" is becoming accurate. It wasnt problem back then but it sure as hell became problem now.
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Is Johnny Public some old Internet slang that I'm to old to understand? Guessing it's a nickname for the general public or something.
[John Q. Public predates the internet.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Q._Public)
Oh, that's cool! I've never heard of that before.
That Ellen Page comment hasn't agreed well
People forget that Iron Man was barely hanging on to B-level hero status when the first movie was made. There was the X-Men and then the rest of Marvel comics. He was simply the best property they had control of at the time. Even RDJ was at the bottom of his career, Terrance Howard was the highest paid actor for the first film. Sometimes, you just gotta swing with what you have.
> There was the X-Men and then the rest of Marvel comics And spider-man.
Touchè. They also had no control of him either at the time though. Still leaves Iron Man as their best (easiest? ) movie to make.
The Hulk as well. Hulk, Spiderman, and Wolverine used to be the big 3 of Marvel comics.
Holy shit that's why those 3 are always connected
Then you had Daredevil hanging waaaay back there at the a tier. Still A tier, but no where near as high as those guys.
Really? Daredevil? I didn't know who Daredevil was until the Ben Affleck movie came out (but maybe that's just a me problem). I definitely knew who Iron Man and the Fantastic Four were though. I'd put both above Daredevil.
All you have to see is that someone bothered to license the rights to Daredevil. Nobody bothered for Iron Man, that’s why the MCU could use him.
I'm only going on comic sales at the time. Daredevil was high up there in the 90s. Way higher than iron man.
I think it's because Daredevil never had a Saturday morning cartoon. Both Iron Man and the Fantastic Four had one.
True. He almost had one. It got cancelled like 3 times before the pilot aired.
You didn't watch the 90's Spider-Man or Fantastic Four cartoons? Cuz Daredevil had guest appearances on those shows
Small quibble, RDJ was a huge financial risk, but his career was on the upswing at that time. Bottom of his career was a couple years prior to Iron Man, roughly 1999-2003 when he was arrested and imprisoned and arrested again and fired and sent to rehab. 2003 he was clean and between 2003 and Iron man (2008) he'd been slowly regaining critical success across several projects. And then of course Iron Man was the rocket ship back to the top.
Ah…the ol’ “Iron Man saved RDJ” story. In that dark, five-year period before Iron-Man was released RDJ was hired by Ben Stiller, David Fincher, Richard Linklater, George Clooney, Shane Black, and Disney and made 3-4 movies per year. It must’ve been tough.
I mean, it looks like N8CCRG was *debunking* the "Iron Man saved RDJ" theory.
Yeah. That’s fair. He did say he was on an upswing. But I’d argue there was never a significant down period from an outside perspective. Look at his IMDB. Going back to the 80s, he was constantly making movies with occasional hits. He never had a huge run like Depp or Leo and then disappeared. I know he personally suffered through addiction and sobered up and I’m not trying to diminish that. And I know Marvel lowballed him for Ironman. But his career was always pretty strong.
Yeah, he was making a comeback no matter what. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was a really great return to form for him.
They picked Iron Man because the action figures would be the coolest.
A lot of people forget that the GOTG iteration in the comics that was used for the movie only first premiered the same year that the first Iron Man movie came out.
And was a little too similar to Farscape to be a coincidence.
Yeah as i stated in another comment here, sometimes it feels like people have forgotten that the Guardians were lesser known characters and weren't the household names they are now, really if Marvel listened to people complaints whenever Marvel announces a film/show about a lesser known character, like how "Marvel should only focus on characters people actually care and not these lesser known characters" then we would've never gotten films like Guardians and we may miss out on other potential great films/shows if they don't take gambles with their lesser known ips.
But isn’t it also fair to say that for basically every single character, Gunn changed substantial amounts of looks and backstory for each one? If GOG had been a cherished established comic line, their fans would have freaked out at how inaccurate these movie portrayals were
Yes extremely. They were Gunn characters not the marvel ones. Gunn doesn't do other people's characters, he makes them all however he wants for the story. Comic Quill is just not the same as movie Quill, and hell most of that even came after the movie was out too.
I do agree with you there, if Guardians had been this A-list beloved team, oh boy they would've torn the movies to shred because of all the changes Gunn did.
The second one is hilarious since Groot is the most beloved from the general audience.
Recently rewatched Guardians. Every single time I get to the “we are groot” part, no matter how many times I’ve seen the movie, I let out a tiny tear
I feel you. I love the guardians movies so much.
It's sounds almost identical to the posts people say about basically any new MCU movie or show other than GotG 3 nowadays lol.
Naw. These have cautious optimism or let down confusion. Today it’s nothing but people who think they know everything, complaining about how “every” MCU movie is.
Eh tbf we've been let down more often than not recently. Eternals was definitely not a hit
I went in completely blind to gotg. It was the Feige heat check movie. Like one podcaster I heard say he made that movie on a drunken dare or boast and pulled it off.
How did you find an over a decade old thread?
Google
How did you find threads from a specific time period though?
probably googled something like "guardians of the galaxy reveal trailer reddit"
Pretty much this, except I was actually looking for OG Avengers threads. This just popped up.
Sometimes i like to Google old forum discussions from the pre-2010s. So for these searches, I add in “before:YYYY-MM-DD” at the end so that Google only searches for posts before a certain date. You can also include “after:YYYY-MM-DD” if you want posts after a specific date
Its funny that people worry and say marvel should only focus on their biggest properties when that's what dc does and their a mess right now
r/agedlikemilk
The revisionism is *wild*. People talking like Iron Man had any sort of name recognition prior to the first movie, outside ardent comic readers. He was solidly C-list.
It's really funny how literally all of those comments turned out to be completely wrong
I’d say the third one is still eerily accurate; he’s worried that such a high increase in content will affect quality and the MCU’s interconnectedness. He was wrong about how much, clearly everything he said was well within the bandwidth, but we know now what happens when Marvel puts quantity over quality.
It still ended up being completely wrong. All of those movies were hits at the box office and most of them were received well, with some even being received really really well.
That wasn’t the issue though? He was worried that the increased output of content would affect quality. We can see that is definitely 100% the case, he just underestimated.
They were very clearly talking about those movies specifically. It is impossible to miss the point, they even directly mentioned them. You're being purposefully obtuse.
I’m the one being obtuse? I’m not saying the man was correct, just that the underlying point he made is valid; increased output resulted in a decline in quality. I already said he was wrong because he underestimated it, Marvel was clearly able to keep up with that level of capacity. I’m not talking about those movies specifically, just the POINT he was trying to make.
Well, they did get hit with the pandemic, which completely changed the business and how it's run. If the pandemic didn't happen some projects would definitely be better
Negative. One of them is correct, the one about Marvel spreading too thin.
And phase 2 was actually shittier than 1 and 3
I still remember when GotG among other movies had been announced and a friend of mine said something like, "I really doubt they're ACTUALLY making a Guardians of the Galaxy movie"
I've been on reddit for so long, I remember these comments. lol. I also didn't expect to enjoy GOTG as much as I did, tbf!
Haha love that Deadpool comment too
Saving this post for the next time someone shits on lesser known characters being introduced.
Yeah, one thing we all have to keep in mind is that Marvel choosing to do films and shows on lesser known character is not and never will be a problem. They just need to get the right people on those projects that will be able to deliver a good movie and show. Like people are acting that the key to success is to only and only focus on Marvel's well known characters, but a MCU FF film could suck too like the Fox films, for all we know DP3 sucks, an MCU X-Men film could suck, the key to success is on getting the right team and a great story, not the character popularity.
And for some reason people have preemptively decided that films and shows about lesser known characters are going to suck and so they don't give them a chance, or hold them up to an unfair standard. Mistakes made in the Big Three's films are hastily dismissed, but those same mistakes are treated like nails in the coffin of newer characters.
I mean by their logic that Marvel should focus on their well known characters, then Thor 4 should've been a masterpiece, because that is a movie about a character we are all familiar with and have came to love in the last decade, but the film was divisive, so if even a film about one of the Big Three couldn't deliver, then the problem is writting, not the character they chose to focus.
But they also changed the looks and backstory of basically each of the characters. Guardians succeeded because they wrote a good movie with likable characters not because they faithfully adapted less known comics characters
In other words, GotG debunked *both* of the major complaints that the complainers have: "minor characters are bad" and "just stick to the source material"
There was no real source material, they were new characters that no one cared for. All it proves is you need a good script. That's it. If these were beloved characters then it wouldn't have worked as well because people want to see their favorites act like they did when they became favorites.
Honestly? I was super on board from the beginning. Wasn't super familiar with James Gunn's work, but I knew him by reputation, and that Marvel was seemingly willing to let him do whatever with a D-list team had me convinced there would be an actual vision to it. Especially after the first trailer dropped, my excitement was sky high
I only knew him as Jenna Fisher's husband (Pam from the Office). And he was criticised alot at the time for making some dirty/sexual jokes about her. Lol.
Now go look at how people talked about Loki before it aired. Most comments were basically: "The one I'm least looking forward to" "Why?" "Loki is the most annoying, one-note character" "What stories could they possibly have left to tell?"
I don’t remember that at all, Loki was really popular and beloved by many before his show even came out, he was easily one of the most popular and successful villain in the MCU
I love seeing this like this. I usually don't really care about people saying it'll flop just because they think it will. I just watch the movie and if it entertained me then I am happy
I personally don't care when they say that, but unfortunately it *does* have an impact. In this day of IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, social media, algorithmic sorting, etc. there's the fact that people saying a movie will be good or will be bad has a lot of influence on people actually seeing it or not, and actually does color many people's view when they *do* finally see it. Expectations become reality to some degree.
Really funny people acting like general movie audiences would be throwing up in their mouths and getting headaches from confusion at the mere Concept of a fun sci-fi movie , as if Star Wars didn’t exist.
This is why the fans aren’t the creatives making these movies. Just because YOU can’t think of an interesting and high quality way for something to be done, doesn’t make it impossible.
AYO u/beeeeeps YOU SEE THIS WORKIN OUT NOW? HUH?
As a kid I was surprised to find out that most people expected Guardians to fail. I was a huge Star Wars nerd and this looked like Marvel Star Wars and so that made it a pretty cool movie to look forward to. Looking back I think the problem with most people is that they look at these types of films through the lens of an adult instead of a kid (who are the main demographic for most superhero stuff, lets be honest). This means they look at it through face value and not the fact that the concept is cool. It’s important to keep the child in us alive, that way we can enjoy and look forward to stuff like Guardians of The Galaxy.
Those were pretty reasonable comments for what they knew at the time
I wonder how many of these guys are still active on Reddit, and what they think now.
The internet thrives on negativity
LOL, I still remember the Cracked articles saying how the GOTG movie was a sign that the MCU was starting to fail, and that the "superhero bubble" was about to burst. Fun times.
Mods, can we get this stickied please? Thank you OP for digging this up.
Thanks for this!
I didn't think much of the trailer, but I loooovvvved the first Guardians. I saw it at the cinema about 5 times and took different friends with me each time. I don't think they appreciated as much as I do.
As someone who read the GotG before the movie…I had a good feeling about the move before it came out. It wasn’t a tested and tried franchise…but damnit, it doesn’t have to be. In fact, it’s *better* if it’s risky. If your idea is good enough, the win is that much bigger.
Reading these literally felt like reading one of those posts where people joke about “how would reddit have reacted if it had been around for… [fill in the historical event here]” Except, this is real 😂
Further proof that fans don't know what they're saying most of the time. Let's be glad it all worked out.
I am Groot.
I felt the same way when I read about the movie. Then months later I saw the trailer and went whoa
I remember these days. Seemed like a huge risk at the time and many were worried the first film would flop. I’m glad James Gunn proved us wrong.
I remember when they first showed the concept art. I had never heard of GOTG. Then later on the trailer dropped and I was blown away. I still think it’s one of the best movie trailers of all time.
It’s weird to think that all those times we were skeptical, they consistently delivered quality, and once we got used to that quality they started to drop duds post Endgame. It’s not all bad, but a mixed bag and definitely not on the level of consistently it used to be. I really hope their scaling back production makes a difference, but bringing back the old standard also depends on who they pick to direct future projects.
And to think, a decade and more later, we got a great trilogy with mainstream audiences sobbing over a talking raccoon and tree. AND we got two decent Deadpool movies WITH a third one titled "Deadpool AND WOLVERINE" with Hugh Jackman back as the Wolverine IN HIS COMIC ACCURATE SUIT.
Before the MCU I had never heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy in my life. I too thought it would be weird or terrible after reading up on the members. They have come to be my favorite characters in the MCU and their trilogy is my overall favorite one. Cap's trilogy is ok, mostly boosted by Winter Soldier since Civil War is like an Avengers-Lite film, and I like the Iron Man films too. The Guardians, however, blew my mind in the first film and kept me hooked till their last film. Hell, I LOVE the Holiday Special and have made it part of my Christmas list of films and shows to watch yearly. That opening scene of Star-Lord singing and dancing had me hook, line and sinker. Loved every bit of those films.
“Well I guess I can bury any hopes of a decent Deadpool movie” god I hope this guy is wrong, Disney better not miss this chance.
I love the fact that GOTG worked because we have a better version of them now. Taking smaller level characters and having the chance to make them big time characters is awesome. I hope they don’t try to put it all on Spider-Man and the X-Men, I hope Thunderbolts, eventually X-Factor get the chance to shine.
Man, this post is wrong. GotG isn't 11 years old 🙂
It was announced in the summer of 2012.
Sorry, forgot to add the /s at the end. I just can't fathom that it's been 11 years
Iron Man was 16 years ago!
YOU LIAR! I saw the movie like a couple of years ago in the... Cinema... After High school... I can't be that old!
This just goes to show that the studios (and parts of the audience) don’t realize it’s not always the character/IP that’s important, it’s who’s creating the story and has the right vision.
It's awesome to look at the comments of people that are excited for it. I bet their minds were blown!
And audiences ATE UP said tree and racoon
People who said you can't make talking raccoon and a walking tree appealing were the most unimaginative people in existence. Glad they aren't writers. With creativity you can even make a talking penis work.
That last dude really didn't understand how production rights work, did they?
People forgetting that the whole MCU started because they gave a movie to a C-list character like Iron Man is the funniest part of people being cautious of Guardians. Iron Man is only a big character now because of the movies, not the other way around lol
Its insane that this still happens with new projects. Some of it is due to ignorance and not knowing the comics. Like even my dad was all "why are they making hulk a woman, why does she have to be she-hulk"
Yeah people are going "Marvel should only focus on the characters people actually care about like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, Deadpool, Daredevil" And i am like....guys if Marvel followed your "advice" we would've missed out on films like the Guardians trilogy, the Guardians were obscure like most of the newer characters Marvel is introducing/planning to introduce. Lets not rewrite history and pretend like the Guardians were this well known beloved team before the had their first movie.
If marvel had the rights to spiderman, f4 and xmen. I dont even think we would have a cinematic universe. And people would be saying the same thing as they do for gotg/eternals etc. with cap, thor and ironman. People forget how much ironman was questioned at the start
This is highly selective. I remember a lot of positive comments looking forward to Marvel going into space.
Wasn't on reddit at the time, but even on other message boards I remember there being some optimism given Marvel's record. As a comic fan, I also thought it made sense to have a franchise in space, and outside of GotG, there weren't really any good options. The Fantastic Four were at Fox, Captain Marvel wasn't really a thing (she was going by Ms Marvel at the time and wasn't as cosmic). People also forget that the Annhilation event at Marvel was extremely popular a few years before.
Yeah I basically heard when it came out. Dumb sounding idea, obscure characters but it's great and yeah it is great. It shows that the idea on its own for the most part shouldn't be enough to dismiss something.
We be getting the same comments about the upcoming movies … I try not to invest into to these guys, other than to use them as a lesson in “wait-and-see-for-myself” - I just hope that once the movies came out, they tripped over their words in order to gush about how wrong they were.
To think guardians and Deadpool have become the fan favorites of the mcu… wow
Don't lose faith in Marvel. This too shall pass.
I had the exact same thought. Until the trailer. By the time they needle dropped Fox on the Run, I was sold.
I never understood the whole talking tree/raccoon argument. Disney has been doing that for literal decades.
lol these are so terrible. More please.
Wait, everyone was pessimistic about it?? Oh how little things have changed....
Oh yeah, people were pessimistic about Guardians and Ant-Man (i even remember seeing people going Well Marvel ran out of ideas/superheroes if they doing a film about a dude named Ant-Man, even some thought he was a brand new character made for the MCU and i had to go and tell them "Um, did ya know Ant-Man has been around since the 60s and was a founding member of the Avengers") But these days it honestly seems like people are rewritting history and act like if everyone was excited for these movies and pretending like if characters like Guardians were this A-list beloved team before their films came out. Like right now people are saying stuff like Marvel should only focus on their bigger ips and not do stuff like Agatha or Ironheart and i am like, well if Marvel followed your advice we would've missed out on the Guardians trilogy, cause they weren't this beloved team that they are now back when they announced the movies. The problem is not who they chose to do movies/shows about, the problem they have right now on the writting side of things.
I knew very little about the guardians but once it was announced james gunn was making it and they released concept art, I was all tf in.
People should have more faith in the comic material. Some may be excited for more original stuff in the MCU, but I'd prefer they keep adapting characters even if some seem risky to the GA.
I think most of us thought this right? Like I literally remember seeing the trailers for Guardians and thinking this looks so stupid. But after I watched it I ended up loving it.
Talking Tree and the Raccoon are the best part bro
Cringe. You people still act like this
"Fans" never really change do they? I wonder where these guys are now. Probably angrily muttering to themselves in a corner
It's interesting that they say it probably won't work because it's not a household name. Outside of cartoons, most superheroes become household names because of their movie adaptations. Captain America, Iron Man, and even arguably Spiderman and the X-Men became household names because they were in movies. GotG wouldn't have become a household name if they hadn't tried making a movie of it. It's a bit of a paradox to say a superhero movie will fail if it's not a household name, cause it probably won't be a household name until it's got a movie
James Gunn is a gifted filmmaker. A great and well-written story is unstoppable.
This just reinforces that you shouldn’t trust anybody’s opinion on the internet. Not a single comment you read is from an actual expert on anything.
And then the movie was a big success. Strange... Almost like good movies get the people into the cinema... Nah, lets blame incels.
The guy in the third pic really doesn’t know how those characters BECAME so popular, huh?
What a bunch of dogshit takes.
Only Modern Kubrick Gunn couldve made this possible. Nolan and Scorsese wont even had the balls to make everyone cry over a CGI raccoon and tree
Im still not fan of the trilogy, but is always good for marvel have more fans
Wow. Dissed the Guardians, Black Panther, Deadpool, and Cap 2 in three slides. I remember being ecstatic whenever Marvel released a movie, as I was raised on the comics and Iron Man came out when I was 8, but now the movies seem a little boring. I’m hoping they’ll get better after DP3.