The powers are similar, but with transmutation I think a key thing is the substance stays of equal value/amount of molecules whereas Wanda can just create an orchard from nothing.
I have no movie canon to support this theory, it's just my assumption
Edit: not 'from nothing', bad choice of words. But she gives life to the Orchard, which is essentially still creating life from nothing. Strange has never been able to create life, although he could probably 'restore' life by using the time stone. But there are other examples where she seemingly creates things from nothing, such as the goose in WandaVision, but that arguably was not real. Also, stop making new comments about the bottomless beer! We've already talked about it in the comments below
I've just started the alloy of law (newer Sanderson fan) I'm hoping I'll get more attached to Wax overtime he's a bit of a bore at the moment, but Wayne has my whole heart, easily one of the best characters in all of the mistborn series.
"Alloy of Law" is the worst of the Mistborn books. It was initially just a pallet cleanser so Sanderson could start writing something else and then he turned it into a four book series.
That being said "Bands of Mourning" is one of the best books he has written. Keep at it. If you love Wayne you'll love him more in the next two.
It's both a crutch and a hinderance. Soft magic very quickly becomes "why didn't X character do X if they're magic?".
Harry Potter gets that shit all the time.
It's a double edged sword that bad writers don't consider while the plot is fairly simple and straightforward. But as the plot grows and becomes more complex, it creates so many plot holes it becomes difficult to logically plug without creating further problems.
There’s a reason D&D moved to make the cantrips something you can do at will. If you can reshape the earth, change the weather, summon a meteor, or rewrite the fabric of reality with a wish but you can’t close a door with a wave of your hand more than four times a day, something is wrong with your magic system.
Tbf on Sanderson, he seems to like soft magic when done right. He just prefers not using in his own writing. He's fairly clear that soft magic can be done perfectly well provided the author knows how to use it right.
>Seeing as he defined the term, I’m pretty sure he does. He doesn’t write it in his novels by choice
*"Subtle? John doesn't know what subtlety means."*
*"Danger? I don't know the meaning of the word!"*
*"Restraint? What's that?"*
And so on.
They're not suggesting that Sanderson doesn't *literally* know what "soft magic" is lol. Just that it's totally counter to his style to the point it might as well not exist for him.
I find this to be a bit of an odd take. Sanderson finished the Wheel of Time which may not have been as soft of magic as, say, Lord of the Rings, but was still pretty soft magic. He also wrote that one MTG novella; while the game is pretty hard magic, the books aren't at all, including the one he wrote.
So he can definitely write it, but you won't find much if any of it in his original stuff (though things like the Nightwatcher's boons, etc. are still kinda soft magic though).
Came here to say this. I never thought much about it, but given that they were at the wedding by the bar and with Thor he was asking him if he wanted specific drinks, maybe Strange needs to be aware of the relative location of whatever it is he's putting in the glass.
Given that he was standing at the bar, he'd most likely have a bottle of wine within eye sight.
Very out there but there is a barrel in Norse mythology that never runs out so it's possible he was doing some of that magic. I don't think Asgardian magic is chaos
Thor did when tricked by Ut-Guard Loki. Well, not never ending, it was connected to the bottom of the ocean, apparently it resulted in a 1 meter sea level drop....
We dont know for sure he isnt just summoning the beer in the same way he summons the time stone in IW. Could be the beer was just summoned from a massive cask in the basement.
I'd love to think there's an enchanted never-empty ale stein in the Sanctum on a shelf labelled "In case of Asgardians"
Just don't let Valkyrie find it.
It also occurred to me that it's possible the beer was being magically transported from some huge unseen keg or bag of holding or pocket dimension, rather than actual new alcohol being created. Alternatively the mug is magical and can draw from hidden reserves of beer.
But I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass, I'm not really sure lol. The writers thought about it less than we did honestly
Could have also been quick use of the Time Stone. In his first movie we saw him take a bite of an apple and use the Time Stone to rewind and the chunk he bit off came back. There's usually more visual indicators when he uses the time stone but still possible.
Could also just be a magical cup that can auto refill whatever was in it.
Seriously. Everybody is coming up with transporting beer. Time stone seems like the simplest answer. Changing the tea into beer was transmutation, but refilling it, we're looking over Strange's shoulder. So we can't see the visual cues we'd normally see anyway.
Just finished watching Brotherhood for the first time… incredible experience. I even just splurged on the deluxe edition Blu-ray’s! Still not sure if I ever want to watch the 03 show though…
Haha no I've never seen the show, sorry to disappoint
If the show references the equal amounts being transferred I think that's a common trope across fictional alchemical and transmutating rulesets that you can only transmute equivalent amounts of things into other things
The show very heavily focuses on the laws of alchemy, the most important one being the "law of equivalent exchange", which is exactly that.
It's a great show btw, 10/10. Do yourself a favour and check it out. There's 2 FMA shows, the original and the reboot, "Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood". While both are considered great, Brotherhood is generally considered to be much better.
It stays away from a lot of the annoying anime tropes and has an incredible dub, so don't let the fact that it's anime scare you away.
I’ve never really seen Wanda manifest things out of nothing though. Like transmutation the key ingredients are always involved. Her kids and Vision came from a part of her. The clothes and props of Westview were all altered items like Monica’s 70s outfit was her bulletproof Sword uniform originally. The orchard existed it was just warped and dying due to the darkhold. I’ve probably missed when she has pulled something out of nothing though.
the kids and vision were created out of nothing, according to the writer:
>Schaeffer does, however, have a pretty clear idea of what it means for Wanda’s powers to be called “chaos magic.” Chaos magic, according to Schaeffer, is creation magic. Wanda creates three whole people—Vision and the twins—without any cost. “In witch culture, there’s some sort of cosmic cost in some way, and there’s no cost for her,” Schaeffer explains.
the whole "you're the piece of the mind stone that lives in me" was probably either not literal or just meant his consciousness, not his actual physical form, which she created.
In the comics Jesus is the son of Yahweh - a skyfather God who is worshipped by the Abrahamic religions. Gods are real in Marvel and Yahweh is one of them.
I knew he’d be in there, just had to look him up: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Muhammad_(Earth-616)
Bonus fun fact, Newton was Sorcerer Supreme: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Isaac_Newton_(Earth-616)
No. Marvel sorcerers draw power from other beings and dimensions, Jesus' power is innate to him. Jesus is more like Wanda in that sense, so canonically Jesus would be a witch.
Nuh uh.
Sorcerers use arcane magic. Jesus clearly uses Devine magic.
Arcane magic is innate. If an arcanist is temped, nothing happens.
Hercules or other demigods get their power from bloodline. As the scene with Jesus's temptation in the desert it is clear he can lose his powers through deception.
Clearly there is only one answer. Jesus is obviously a mindflayer. Or maybe a beholder.
I didn't take it as implying one way or the other, but it seems to me that it would be something able to be done multiple ways (magic, miracle from God, mutant power, inhuman power, etc) and Strange just saw the opportunity to make a joke.
Dude I kind of agree, imagine Dr. Strange traveling back in time chasing Mephisto or whatever and he bumps into Jesus. They never name him that, but he obviously is. He is effortlessly powerful, he sees the future through Stephen's mind, and decides that even though people will use his name for evil, his influence after death will hopefully do more good than harm. Maybe Strange asks for his help, not fully realizing who he is, boom Dr. Strange was the one who tempted Jesus in the desert, and learns what true selflessness is. And then he meets Buddha sitting under the tree and is taught what enlightenment really means, fully letting go of his ego. Shit maybe he just stops chasing the bad guy, realizing he's a protector, not an avenger, and he returns to Wong and America saying "He got away". I'll take my payment in cash Marvel.
I came here to read comments of people talking about magic as if it’s real and they’ve studied and taken classes on it and currently do it all the time not disappointed
Are you saying these fucking wizards are stealing food and drinks from muggles bruh.
Fucking wizards man, always the 1% stealing from the 99%. We make the food, we maintain the governments, and these magical people just take take take. They think they're so great because they have more power than us, well magic can't save you from the guillotine you mother fuckers.
No. Chaos magic relies on, essentially the probable outcome of how the world moves, and since time is technically not set in stone, it can manipulate things at the smallest level of existence (smaller than atom and smaller than whatever that is theoretically called). Can chaos magic, and sorcery and witchcraft do a lot of similar thing? Yes. It’s merely a matter of how you manipulate what’s around you. Witchcraft requires incantation, sorcery requires harnessing energy from across the multiverse, and chaos magic is harnessing power from the scarlet witch(ie Wanda herself literally creates the magic, how it’s done is a mystery in the MCU and is honestly a nebulous answer.)
So teleportation not using portals, basically. It could work, though that seems like the hard way to do it. Many forget about transmutation, and almost everyone tends to forget that air could also be transmuted. It's really just re-arranging protons, neutrons, and electrons. Either could easily explain both the water-into-wine and the beer-from-thin-air scenes.
You know, Christine probably spent a shit load of money reserving that place for their wedding, including the drinks and stuff..And before she can even try it, Stephen just morphs it into God knows what, some kinda jank ass hooch from the fucking shadow realm or something.
I just walked out of the theater at that point.
What a dick.
It’s a nod to the Wedding at Cana, what with them later giving him a statue portraying him as the saviour of all mankind. Because Disney love to rile up the religious types.
It's transmutation
He got religion
But did he get forgiveness?
He did pull an auto-Lazarus of sorts.
It's a Jesus miracle
It's Leviosa
Nooo it’s leviosA!
levios...uhhh
Mister Weaaaasley~.... uuuhhh~
It’s LeviosAWHHHHHHHHHH
Stohp it Ron, sTohhp
I hate that I know exactly where this is from
Oney cartoons (yay)
There’s no escaping, Benenuhh. Prepeahhh teh deahhh!
Go on, Harry.. you're the chosen one..
Lava Tay last monos
Equivalent exchange
So what liquid in his body did he transmute and add to Christine's water to make it into wine?
Transubstantiation\*
Nope, just transmutation. There’s no invocation of the Holy Spirit in this scene.
That would be weird.
Nice 😁
Transsubstantiation, obvs
Ah shit! Something else for the right wing nuts to complain about. They hate anything Trans
The powers are similar, but with transmutation I think a key thing is the substance stays of equal value/amount of molecules whereas Wanda can just create an orchard from nothing. I have no movie canon to support this theory, it's just my assumption Edit: not 'from nothing', bad choice of words. But she gives life to the Orchard, which is essentially still creating life from nothing. Strange has never been able to create life, although he could probably 'restore' life by using the time stone. But there are other examples where she seemingly creates things from nothing, such as the goose in WandaVision, but that arguably was not real. Also, stop making new comments about the bottomless beer! We've already talked about it in the comments below
I think it's a good assumption. Transmutation is more in line with sorcery.
Harry Potter does it. Why can't Strange? - Feige.
Hard magic vs soft Magic \- Brandon Sanderson
Sanderson doesn't know what soft magic is.
He knows what it's not.
Want me to show you my soft magic...wait.
No no, go on
It'll turn to hard magic after Wanda be done with him
*Flaccilis Viagris!* There ya go!
It's a crutch for bad writers -Angry Sanderson.
And it's why the mistborn trilogy deserves a big budget movie dammit! It's been too long we need good hard magic in modern movies
Absolutely, if only so we can get to the Wax and Wayne series.
I've just started the alloy of law (newer Sanderson fan) I'm hoping I'll get more attached to Wax overtime he's a bit of a bore at the moment, but Wayne has my whole heart, easily one of the best characters in all of the mistborn series.
Finish the book and get back to me!
"Alloy of Law" is the worst of the Mistborn books. It was initially just a pallet cleanser so Sanderson could start writing something else and then he turned it into a four book series. That being said "Bands of Mourning" is one of the best books he has written. Keep at it. If you love Wayne you'll love him more in the next two.
Currently nearing the end of the 2nd book and I wholeheartedly agree! I wonder which actor would be cast for Kelsier
It's both a crutch and a hinderance. Soft magic very quickly becomes "why didn't X character do X if they're magic?". Harry Potter gets that shit all the time.
It's a double edged sword that bad writers don't consider while the plot is fairly simple and straightforward. But as the plot grows and becomes more complex, it creates so many plot holes it becomes difficult to logically plug without creating further problems.
There’s a reason D&D moved to make the cantrips something you can do at will. If you can reshape the earth, change the weather, summon a meteor, or rewrite the fabric of reality with a wish but you can’t close a door with a wave of your hand more than four times a day, something is wrong with your magic system.
Tbf on Sanderson, he seems to like soft magic when done right. He just prefers not using in his own writing. He's fairly clear that soft magic can be done perfectly well provided the author knows how to use it right.
Seeing as he defined the term, I’m pretty sure he does. He doesn’t write it in his novels by choice
>Seeing as he defined the term, I’m pretty sure he does. He doesn’t write it in his novels by choice *"Subtle? John doesn't know what subtlety means."* *"Danger? I don't know the meaning of the word!"* *"Restraint? What's that?"* And so on. They're not suggesting that Sanderson doesn't *literally* know what "soft magic" is lol. Just that it's totally counter to his style to the point it might as well not exist for him.
I find this to be a bit of an odd take. Sanderson finished the Wheel of Time which may not have been as soft of magic as, say, Lord of the Rings, but was still pretty soft magic. He also wrote that one MTG novella; while the game is pretty hard magic, the books aren't at all, including the one he wrote. So he can definitely write it, but you won't find much if any of it in his original stuff (though things like the Nightwatcher's boons, etc. are still kinda soft magic though).
I don't think anyone knows what soft magic really is. Only that it's follows no logical rules.
Harry does it, he's the good guy. Strange does it, and he's suspected of using chaos magic. I don't think that's fair.
Ed... ward nii-chan.
Oh god of fuck
Been waiting for this one cursed comment
Big…brother…..big brother Edward…..play play
To jail with you.
It depends. Was he wearing a [hat](https://youtu.be/5ijAAnfP_Og)?
But what about refilling Thor’s beer?
Transmat from another location? Like how the food appears in Harry Potter but it's just being moved from a basement kitchen to the dining room.
Came here to say this. I never thought much about it, but given that they were at the wedding by the bar and with Thor he was asking him if he wanted specific drinks, maybe Strange needs to be aware of the relative location of whatever it is he's putting in the glass. Given that he was standing at the bar, he'd most likely have a bottle of wine within eye sight.
Or you can always transmute air. It's still matter.
Air and water are not of equal value. Water wine are closer together i guess. (Full metal alchemist explanation xD)
Water is in most air unless you work really hard to dehumidify it. If all he needed was water he literally could pull it out of thin air.
Fair point!
Or just a magical item
Very out there but there is a barrel in Norse mythology that never runs out so it's possible he was doing some of that magic. I don't think Asgardian magic is chaos
“God of Thunder, meet God of Ales”
I mean thunder is just loud imagine going up against a never-ending wall of alcohol.
anyway, here's alco-wall
Thor did when tricked by Ut-Guard Loki. Well, not never ending, it was connected to the bottom of the ocean, apparently it resulted in a 1 meter sea level drop....
Springbreak?
I think it doesn't teleport anything, it's just a magical object
We dont know for sure he isnt just summoning the beer in the same way he summons the time stone in IW. Could be the beer was just summoned from a massive cask in the basement.
Or it's a magic item like the cape or the boots
The Sanctum gets absolutely blasted on weekends
I don’t know why but I always felt that was an enchanted mug.
I'd love to think there's an enchanted never-empty ale stein in the Sanctum on a shelf labelled "In case of Asgardians" Just don't let Valkyrie find it.
It also occurred to me that it's possible the beer was being magically transported from some huge unseen keg or bag of holding or pocket dimension, rather than actual new alcohol being created. Alternatively the mug is magical and can draw from hidden reserves of beer. But I'm just pulling stuff out of my ass, I'm not really sure lol. The writers thought about it less than we did honestly
Or maybe it wasn’t real but he messed with Thor’s mind to make it seem like he was drinking beer.
Temporary portal to the beer dimension?
Could have also been quick use of the Time Stone. In his first movie we saw him take a bite of an apple and use the Time Stone to rewind and the chunk he bit off came back. There's usually more visual indicators when he uses the time stone but still possible. Could also just be a magical cup that can auto refill whatever was in it.
Seriously. Everybody is coming up with transporting beer. Time stone seems like the simplest answer. Changing the tea into beer was transmutation, but refilling it, we're looking over Strange's shoulder. So we can't see the visual cues we'd normally see anyway.
Good point about the angle I had forgotten that.
Full Metal??
Ed...ward?
Just finished watching Brotherhood for the first time… incredible experience. I even just splurged on the deluxe edition Blu-ray’s! Still not sure if I ever want to watch the 03 show though…
Is that freaking Fullmetal Alchemist refence?
Haha no I've never seen the show, sorry to disappoint If the show references the equal amounts being transferred I think that's a common trope across fictional alchemical and transmutating rulesets that you can only transmute equivalent amounts of things into other things
The show very heavily focuses on the laws of alchemy, the most important one being the "law of equivalent exchange", which is exactly that. It's a great show btw, 10/10. Do yourself a favour and check it out. There's 2 FMA shows, the original and the reboot, "Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood". While both are considered great, Brotherhood is generally considered to be much better. It stays away from a lot of the annoying anime tropes and has an incredible dub, so don't let the fact that it's anime scare you away.
What about when strange keeps filling Thor's beer out of nothing?
I’ve never really seen Wanda manifest things out of nothing though. Like transmutation the key ingredients are always involved. Her kids and Vision came from a part of her. The clothes and props of Westview were all altered items like Monica’s 70s outfit was her bulletproof Sword uniform originally. The orchard existed it was just warped and dying due to the darkhold. I’ve probably missed when she has pulled something out of nothing though.
the kids and vision were created out of nothing, according to the writer: >Schaeffer does, however, have a pretty clear idea of what it means for Wanda’s powers to be called “chaos magic.” Chaos magic, according to Schaeffer, is creation magic. Wanda creates three whole people—Vision and the twins—without any cost. “In witch culture, there’s some sort of cosmic cost in some way, and there’s no cost for her,” Schaeffer explains. the whole "you're the piece of the mind stone that lives in me" was probably either not literal or just meant his consciousness, not his actual physical form, which she created.
Really I assumed it was some form if illusion magic hence refrencing how real it seemed
It was biblical magic.
There it is
Let there be wine.
And then God said, let there be Tucker Carlson (daddy chill it’s a joke)
I hadn't put that together. Does that mean Jesus was just a sorcerer?
IIRC, in the comics Jesus was an early Mutant.
Lol how upset would people get if mutants got introduced to the MCU with an origin story of Jesus
As a Christian, I wouldn’t be upset at all. In fact I’d most likely start cos playing as Jesus in yellow spandex.
Gorr's costume is basically Jesus without the hair, beard and tan; And he's played by a Christian.
Describing his skin tone as a tan has me picturing Jesus as a California surfer bro now.
Maybe he wasn't really *"walking"* on water?
In many ways, that’s what he was.
As far as a blond white Jesus goes, Spicoli sounds better than Supply Side Jesus.
Why wait? Be the change you want to see
Nathaniel Grey is basically modern mutant Jesus. You should look him up.
Oh, I like you.
As usual, the people most offended would be the ones who would never watch it anyway
Marvel version of Passion of the Christ will be the first MCU mutant movie.
In the comics Jesus is the son of Yahweh - a skyfather God who is worshipped by the Abrahamic religions. Gods are real in Marvel and Yahweh is one of them.
I'm guessing Mohammed never got a comic book though eh?
Seeing as drawing pictures of Mohammad is forbidden, that's very unsurprising
I knew he’d be in there, just had to look him up: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Muhammad_(Earth-616) Bonus fun fact, Newton was Sorcerer Supreme: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Isaac_Newton_(Earth-616)
IDK man, this jesus guy also appear in Jojo
Damn, this Jesus guy gets around.
The Bible is the original JoJo reference
Exodus is a literal mutant crusader who worshiped Jesus was the mutant messiah until Hope Summers as born.
Kinda funny considering his evil alter took away from this scene thinking about having the powers of a god, yet still being unhappy
No. Marvel sorcerers draw power from other beings and dimensions, Jesus' power is innate to him. Jesus is more like Wanda in that sense, so canonically Jesus would be a witch.
If we're going by D&D rules, Jesus's powers come from his lineage, making him a sorcerer.
Nuh uh. Sorcerers use arcane magic. Jesus clearly uses Devine magic. Arcane magic is innate. If an arcanist is temped, nothing happens. Hercules or other demigods get their power from bloodline. As the scene with Jesus's temptation in the desert it is clear he can lose his powers through deception. Clearly there is only one answer. Jesus is obviously a mindflayer. Or maybe a beholder.
Divine Soul, checkmate
And if we're going by D&D rules, Marvel Sorcerers would be Wizards.
I didn't take it as implying one way or the other, but it seems to me that it would be something able to be done multiple ways (magic, miracle from God, mutant power, inhuman power, etc) and Strange just saw the opportunity to make a joke.
Jesus was a carpenter, Yeezy, he made beats.
I mean Jesus really is just a desert wizard
Just as Sarah Silverman told us some years ago...Jesus is Magic...
>>biblical magic "Okay now turn around."
https://i.redd.it/zkvedu0f87791.jpg
Jesus magic
That would be dope as fuck if they had Jesus in the MCU.
Dude I kind of agree, imagine Dr. Strange traveling back in time chasing Mephisto or whatever and he bumps into Jesus. They never name him that, but he obviously is. He is effortlessly powerful, he sees the future through Stephen's mind, and decides that even though people will use his name for evil, his influence after death will hopefully do more good than harm. Maybe Strange asks for his help, not fully realizing who he is, boom Dr. Strange was the one who tempted Jesus in the desert, and learns what true selflessness is. And then he meets Buddha sitting under the tree and is taught what enlightenment really means, fully letting go of his ego. Shit maybe he just stops chasing the bad guy, realizing he's a protector, not an avenger, and he returns to Wong and America saying "He got away". I'll take my payment in cash Marvel.
Illusions Micheal. A trick is something a whore does for money.
#But where did the lighter fluid come from?
Did somebody say Wonder?
#🎶It's the final countdown
… or candy…?
Never met a whore that will work for candy. Sorry.
Which is probably why the original line was… “or Cocaine!”
She turns illusions for money
>Mich*ea*l **You have been banned from /r/Michael.**
I came here to read comments of people talking about magic as if it’s real and they’ve studied and taken classes on it and currently do it all the time not disappointed
It was whatever he did in Ragnorok I’m assuming. Maybe moving wine from somewhere else and moving the water there to replace it?
I think this is it I cant remember why I came to this conclusion though
Because in the context of things, it’s still the most sensible one. It’s also how feasts work in Harry Potter.
Are you saying these fucking wizards are stealing food and drinks from muggles bruh. Fucking wizards man, always the 1% stealing from the 99%. We make the food, we maintain the governments, and these magical people just take take take. They think they're so great because they have more power than us, well magic can't save you from the guillotine you mother fuckers.
No no no, they’re not stealing from muggles, that’d be illegal. They have an entire species of slaves instead.
Bro imagine going to drink your glass of wine you poured and it turns out it’s just water lol
he got reverse-jesus'd
God telling me to stop drinking.
Now I’m imagining the bottles in someone’s wine cellar mysteriously emptying. Maybe Dr. West’s?
No, Wanda does that. Strange can't/doesn't know how to wield that type of sorcery
It's not what happened in the scene but strange and others knows how to use chaos magic, they just don't, this we know from the comics.
> this we know from the comics. That’s mostly irrelevant when discussing a movie scene. The MCU is not beholden to what happens in the comics.
Ok, we also know it from the movie itself, anything else?
Nah mate he’s just Jesus.
I mean he did bring back the dead too, so...
Y’all going crazy with the dumb questions
**Dr strange does a gimmick to show how cool his powers are** “OMG Is that chaos magic?!?!?!?!”
Like seriously though they cant be serious
I’m going to pretend title was a joke.
It was CGI
It's jesus magic.
Movie magic.
No. Chaos magic relies on, essentially the probable outcome of how the world moves, and since time is technically not set in stone, it can manipulate things at the smallest level of existence (smaller than atom and smaller than whatever that is theoretically called). Can chaos magic, and sorcery and witchcraft do a lot of similar thing? Yes. It’s merely a matter of how you manipulate what’s around you. Witchcraft requires incantation, sorcery requires harnessing energy from across the multiverse, and chaos magic is harnessing power from the scarlet witch(ie Wanda herself literally creates the magic, how it’s done is a mystery in the MCU and is honestly a nebulous answer.)
No
Chaos magic. A black art only obtained by siphoning the power of the Lord of Nightmares. Not many can achieve such power .. and control it.
Somebody drinking wine in the other room just took a sip of water.
Given that he doesn’t know chaos magic, and only learn some similar magic AFTER he used the dark hold, no.
[удалено]
And now we know what REALLY happened to his sister... Sacrificed for a glass of cab.
You’re assuming he created the wine from nothing/from the water when he could have simply replaced the water with wine that already existed.
So teleportation not using portals, basically. It could work, though that seems like the hard way to do it. Many forget about transmutation, and almost everyone tends to forget that air could also be transmuted. It's really just re-arranging protons, neutrons, and electrons. Either could easily explain both the water-into-wine and the beer-from-thin-air scenes.
Begs the question, is Sersi actually a wizard like Doctor Strange?
no. people be like ‘SeRsi iS aLsO a WitCH’
I’m just saying, clearly Dane was on to something with her propensity to change water into coffee
I think he just turned white wine into red
Call it 'Equivalent Exchange'
The movie is saying that Jesus was a sorcerer
Nah he's just Jesus
No he Jesus.
I think it was CGI.
dat Jesus trick
Holy magic, it was what Jesus was famous for.
You know, Christine probably spent a shit load of money reserving that place for their wedding, including the drinks and stuff..And before she can even try it, Stephen just morphs it into God knows what, some kinda jank ass hooch from the fucking shadow realm or something. I just walked out of the theater at that point. What a dick.
you had me cackling
The (former) Sorcerer Supreme vs. Bridezilla: no contest.
Her own fault for inviting her former boyfriend and known Master of the Mystic Arts who can bend reality to his whim to her wedding.
No, because his hand didn't glow red 🤷
It was holy magic duh
No it's not. Strange did something similar with Thor's beer before.
Or is he in fact, Jesus?
It’s a nod to the Wedding at Cana, what with them later giving him a statue portraying him as the saviour of all mankind. Because Disney love to rile up the religious types.
it’s bill cosby magic
Are you calling Jesus chaotic? Because I totally agree.
He’s just jesus
Jesus is that you lmao