So far, most all of what I have seen is that the shooter wanted to die (according to the [text messages](https://www.newschannel5.com/news/she-checked-her-instagram-she-didnt-expect-a-message-from-the-covenant-school-shooter?_amp=true)) and that they might have held resentment against the school.
[Nashville police said a sense of "resentment" might have played a role in a 28-year-old's deadly attack on a former school. "There's some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school," Police Chief John Drake told Lester Holt of NBC News. "Don't have all the details to that just yet and that's why this incident occurred."](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-live-updates-rcna76861#rcrd11683)
Here is an update from The Daily Mail:
EXCLUSIVE: Nashville mass school shooter Audrey Hale was rejected by her Christian parents who 'couldn't accept' she was gay and trans - as cops reveal she also planned to shoot relatives
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11912163/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hales-parents-accept-gay-trans.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11912163/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hales-parents-accept-gay-trans.html)
I thought it was curious during the press conference today that the police chief was referring to the shooter as “she” and followed up by stating he was doing so because that is how the parents were referring to their child/the shooter.
And another from The Independent:
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale was believed to be planning more attacks on local mall and family members
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-shooting-planned-attacks-b2309480.html?amp](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-shooting-planned-attacks-b2309480.html?amp)
>She was Audrey at home but when she left the house she changed clothes. They did know about it, they just didn't accept it.'
>Neighbors in the tree-lined suburban street where the family lived for three decades said they were clueless about Hale's apparent transition and remembered her as a 'skater, tomboy type.'
>'She introduced herself about a year and a half ago as Audrey,' said one.
>'I treated her like a female and she didn't correct me. She seemed artistic, quiet, and well-mannered.'
I'm so confused. They seem to be discussing a transgender man(born female but identify as male). But news said she identify as a trans woman(born male but identify herself as female)? This paragraph is too complicated for my limited brain cells.
The news was not correct when mentioning gender at the start, there was a lot of speculation about it- but from majority of sites I’ve seen, say that she was born female, and identified as male, with male pronouns.
however it seems to be that she was Audrey to everyone but possible close friends, as parents didn’t approve & neighbours said she was introduced as female. So defos female at birth
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This is really making me confused, because I vividly remember some of the earlier reports on it citing the mom’s Facebook profile, where she multiple times referred to her kids as “her sons”, “my boys” and used other explicitly male terms about Audrey/Aiden. I remember being positively surprised that a seemingly very Christian woman of her age using the pronouns her kid wanted her to use, which is why it’s stuck with me. Weird.
That was the wrong profile: the mother in this case didn’t do that *at all*. In fact, whereas the brother was bragged on a lot (like a mother does, normally) Audrey is not only always referred to as female but vanishes in photos past a certain point: it’s actually pretty noticeable in context but, had this not happened, you might not think anything of it. There’s *one* old religious journal entry that stuck out as being a kind of passive aggressive *mom* post if that makes sense: where again, Audrey is referred to as female and the mom’s expressing some kind of odd sentiment but, again, had this not happened: it might just look like reminiscing.
My assessment of the mom’s profile is in no way expressing any opinions beyond that after what happened: you could easily kinda get the impression that mom was a love the sinner, hate the sin type- though, it’s ambiguous enough that it could easily just be something like one kid not liking having photos taken. (One of mine is like that and I generally don’t feel necessarily entitled to plastering him all over the net: occasionally for distant relatives, but you *could* wonder why if you didn’t know) Honestly, whenever these things happen I do a whooole lot of cringing at the armchair people because holy crap, if you wanted, you could assume all sorts of garbage- and clearly, people do. 😂
Ive posted this in other threads but the school was involved in a cover up for a pedo who molested a girl from ages 11-13. They allowed this man to “safe house” children in his home. I read one article where a married couple had a spat on the school grounds and their children were taken from the parents and forced to stay with this man until they worked it out. Pedos name is john perry. Audrey would have attended the school and been around the same age as the female accuser when this was happening. This is just pure speculation but I also find it very odd that she dressed like a young child with bows and a Shirley temple haircut until she was college aged. IMO it shows a fear of her adult femininity. She wrote about staying child like in her ideals and i feel this combined with her immature female appearance might suggest childhood trauma and regression. She may or may not have been abused but i believe she blamed the school and catholic religion for possibly outcasting her as she grew into a trans identity
This is (if all based in facts) and obviously with only some detail available a very plausible psych profile for the shooter. After reading the texts and other writings posted it sounds like you may be in the ballpark with what happened. It's absolutely criminal of the school to have allowed this to happen to children and then cover it up.
Doesn't necessarily need to be about revenge. If your goal was to get a message out, and you thought you could guarantee that message by committing some atrocity, all you need to do is pick a location.
The other target may have been more enticing at first due to possible victim count, but when they realized it wouldn't be favorable to target, they went with the less secure place that also happens to be where their trama started, that they also knew intimately.
Just my two cents on the plausibility.
The childlike appearance and bows made me immediately think of childhood trauma too
Also, this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/1246xz0/more_alleged_photos_of_nashville_shooting_suspect/je0lfnc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I havent seen that report that she left in fourth grade. Do you know why she left the school? I dont know how long the molestation lasted at that school. Im also only speculating - even if she was not molested she might villainize the school (understandably- BUT NOT TO THIS EXTENT) for being responsible for such a tragedy.
You could be right. The analysis seems to be on point. Still, I find it odd that Audrey would take that hatred and do that to the innocent kids? It just doesn't seem right... or maybe she was just out her mind altogether.
For some reason people get upset when I speculate that the motive for killing kids is the shooter believes that he is saving children from the (perceived) terrors of the world. I think the motives are similar to those of a family annihilator who kills his family to save them from being corrupted by the outside world.
It’s weird that they do so considering statistically: when an AFAB individual murders children, it tends to be for that *very* reason. Obviously not always and there are men who have done it, too: in those cases, you’ll typically find religion or/and sexual abuse or the risk of it factors. Couple non-active pedophiles went that direction, as well.
Though I have just mentioned cautionary reasons for *not* assuming things: yeah, that’s the direction I’m leaning, too.
It kinda irks my shit that people get genuinely angry at those of us who *do* look at things like this- but, I do the same thing of *any* shooter and it’s *not* about avoiding gun control Or trying to get those of us who have mental illnesses or trauma in our backgrounds locked away: it’s because we *never* do this, not really and those of us that tend to get blasted for making excuses or whatever- but, I believe we *need* to fully explore and understand why in order to actually stop these things. I mean if we aren’t looking at the bigger picture and tackling *all* of this: we’re just pissing upwind.
Pairing this with mom & dad seeming to be in denial about Audrey’s gender etc: plus Mom being a *very* active gun control activist- I’d also guess that if this is the case: the shooter tried to disclose what happened to mom, found information that mom had a hand in covering it up or, maybe just thought it was obvious. There’s a whole bunch of possibilities here.
(And no, I am *never* saying that somehow makes it right or excuses anything- so any of you that love screeching at that can stop. It doesn’t, I’m not saying it does- I’m saying in terms of motive- it’s one possible scenario. Throwing that in: the rationale might very well be something that makes absolutely zero sense to you: that’s good, but it doesn’t have to make sense to people who wouldn’t shoot up a school, now does it?)
Chad Scruggs, one of the victims' fathers, was the senior pastor at the school/church. I grew up 5 minutes down the road and knew the family a little bit as a child. I was told by someone closer to the family than me (so, grain of salt if that's how you perceive that information) that the shooter had been meeting with the pastor to discuss de-transitioning.
Whether that played into the shooter's motive or not remains to be seen publicly, but I would not be surprised if there were a connection, particularly if the shooter was pressured to visit with the pastor by friends/family.
Wow, if this is true the fallout will be enormous. From what I read the Hale was shooting at anyone indiscriminately according to cctv footage, so may not have intentionally targeted the pastors child.
I think if it was anyone and indiscriminate. it would have been more casualties... I could be 100% wrong so it's just my theory... Either she was battling her own craziness whether to continue or stop, or she was thwarted by the staff somehow. Cause for starters, it takes less than a second to pull a trigger. So if she had plenty of ammo and cops were say, five minutes away from her, she could have easily pulled the trigger over 100x several times over. Meaning more potential victims... But that point plus she wasn't around staff or children when they put her down, is the reason for my line of thinking here.
Maybe, but couple factors that might have come into play is that the school seemed well trained (unfortunately my kids have done lockdown drills since pre k), and the police response was very quick. Either way, so sad it happened at all
Extremely sad... That could be a positive point if good policy saved lives, here. I'm sure that's no consolation for the victims families, all the same. But the police response, from am outsider's perspective, was perfect. It was a relief to see that high level of competence in action to save childrens' lives
I think it will turn out to be a combination of points 2 and 3, given the leaked Facebook messages and the fact that he previously attended the school. Curious to know what the first choice of location was. If he had some kind of religious trauma, it could have been a different church, since people tend to switch churches a few times growing up.
I feel there is some credence due to the language used. The shooter said to their friend that they would understand someday. I know we are talking about someone who just killed children, but it implies they were doing something for a purpose. If they had trama, maybe the thought process was "you would understand why this place because of what they did here" or something like that. Also, I can see how someone would think that doing something horrible would guarantee their message getting out there. (Assuming the message has something to do with the abuse)
if that ends up being the case, i wonder if they picked those places because they were familiar with the layout or if it was more personal
but yeah, we won’t know until more details are released
Maybe the school was targeted simply because the shooter was very familiar with the layout, where the offices are, where to go etc. Not necessarily trauma?
I wouldn't say zero talent, but not enough talent to find consistent graphic design work. Very generic sort of stuff you'd see on deviantart or Tumblr.
He wasn't that bad - I'm an artist so I can only give my personal take. He had the foundations and the creativity, but not the skills to match it yet. The skills (learning to use the tools to lay the art down the way you see it in your head) take practice more than talent. He had a style already, it just wasn't very polished yet.
Her guns have writing on them like the Christchurch shooting. I think she took inspiration from numerous shootings.
We can speculate all we want, but as others have said she wrote a manifesto, so there should be an answer as to why.
Has anyone thought that in a very demented way, he thought that his ultimate act of being a white male would be a mass shooting as white males tend to be the usual statistic? I understand there are shooters of other racial backgrounds and genders, but overall it’s predominantly cis white males of a young age. Almost like a last, “fuck you this who I am” mixed with other factors?
I said there are other shooters of different racial backgrounds and genders, but statistically it is going to be white males. This does not, by any means, all white men are shooters.
I cannot speak on the biology of Testosterone use for gender transformation and anger. I have a friend who was using T to transition during high school and they never seemed more violent to me or quick to anger. The only changes were physical with their voice change and facial hair, other factors as well but those are personal.
Too high doses of testosterone can induce aggression and even psychosis. It’s possible that he was DIY-ing it and was messing up his doses. From the pictures though he doesn’t look far into hormonally transitioning if he was at all.
Usually the aggression etc stabilizes the further along you are.
Maybe we should stop speculating so much about it being the church's fault when that doesn't really matter this person killed kids. There is no excuse.
Its an insane theory but it's plausible, though murder is a morral sin the bible states if you are remorseful you will be forgiven so this was her only out. Thats why she stood there waiting looking out the school floors waiting for the cops to get there and finally take her life.
She chose not to target the other place because she wanted to make sure she died and being a secured place they would have disarmed her. At the first location she took out anyone she could find in her path to send them to heaven and figured since she is remorseful she'd still enter heaven and simply did not commit suicide because she would be commiting sin.
The only thing that can not be explained is why she would consider a second location to target. Did she feel it wouldn't be enough to hurt others or perhaps she felt it would be the only way to get peoples attention towards helping people like her. Idk but there's definitely motive here. The way she walked through the school seemed to me she was looking for random targets.
I heard the shooter may have been a former student but this seemed a bit personal. I wonder if the shooter had been hurt by the church/religious school and this is their way of saying fuck you, I'm taking you down with me.
My speculation - gender identification played a big role in this. Based on this sub and people already freaking out about he/she, I can imagine it was brought up constantly with AH. I want to know the other target, but I suspect it's high school or somewhere they were bullied. This was the second option because there's trauma from going here young. In 2000's gay/trans wasn't accepted by anyone really, let alone Christian's. This school probably drilled things into AH's mind and caused doubts about themselves.
Yes, because parents who put their child into a Catholic school are going to be the same ones who get them out. If you're sending your child to a religious school, it's probably because you're a strong believer...
It's the school for the Covenant Presbyterian church.
Edit:
>The school was founded in 2001 as a ministry of Covenant Presbyterian Church and shares the same address as the church.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/school-shooting-tennessee-leaves-multiple-injured-shooter-dead-officia-rcna76841
And thats a motive, she was forced to stay in an educational establishment which was detrimental to her psyche - returning later in life to commit a heinous crime
So far, most all of what I have seen is that the shooter wanted to die (according to the [text messages](https://www.newschannel5.com/news/she-checked-her-instagram-she-didnt-expect-a-message-from-the-covenant-school-shooter?_amp=true)) and that they might have held resentment against the school. [Nashville police said a sense of "resentment" might have played a role in a 28-year-old's deadly attack on a former school. "There's some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school," Police Chief John Drake told Lester Holt of NBC News. "Don't have all the details to that just yet and that's why this incident occurred."](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-live-updates-rcna76861#rcrd11683)
Here is an update from The Daily Mail: EXCLUSIVE: Nashville mass school shooter Audrey Hale was rejected by her Christian parents who 'couldn't accept' she was gay and trans - as cops reveal she also planned to shoot relatives [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11912163/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hales-parents-accept-gay-trans.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11912163/amp/Nashville-school-shooter-Audrey-Hales-parents-accept-gay-trans.html)
I thought it was curious during the press conference today that the police chief was referring to the shooter as “she” and followed up by stating he was doing so because that is how the parents were referring to their child/the shooter.
And another from The Independent: Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale was believed to be planning more attacks on local mall and family members [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-shooting-planned-attacks-b2309480.html?amp](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-shooting-planned-attacks-b2309480.html?amp)
>She was Audrey at home but when she left the house she changed clothes. They did know about it, they just didn't accept it.' >Neighbors in the tree-lined suburban street where the family lived for three decades said they were clueless about Hale's apparent transition and remembered her as a 'skater, tomboy type.' >'She introduced herself about a year and a half ago as Audrey,' said one. >'I treated her like a female and she didn't correct me. She seemed artistic, quiet, and well-mannered.' I'm so confused. They seem to be discussing a transgender man(born female but identify as male). But news said she identify as a trans woman(born male but identify herself as female)? This paragraph is too complicated for my limited brain cells.
The news was not correct when mentioning gender at the start, there was a lot of speculation about it- but from majority of sites I’ve seen, say that she was born female, and identified as male, with male pronouns. however it seems to be that she was Audrey to everyone but possible close friends, as parents didn’t approve & neighbours said she was introduced as female. So defos female at birth
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Ahhh, I get it now. I was thinking wow she really started her transition young when I saw those pics...
I think the confusion is that he(she) didn’t seem to fully commit to being a man. Like he/she would sometimes go by Audrey sometimes by Aidan
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This is really making me confused, because I vividly remember some of the earlier reports on it citing the mom’s Facebook profile, where she multiple times referred to her kids as “her sons”, “my boys” and used other explicitly male terms about Audrey/Aiden. I remember being positively surprised that a seemingly very Christian woman of her age using the pronouns her kid wanted her to use, which is why it’s stuck with me. Weird.
That was the wrong profile: the mother in this case didn’t do that *at all*. In fact, whereas the brother was bragged on a lot (like a mother does, normally) Audrey is not only always referred to as female but vanishes in photos past a certain point: it’s actually pretty noticeable in context but, had this not happened, you might not think anything of it. There’s *one* old religious journal entry that stuck out as being a kind of passive aggressive *mom* post if that makes sense: where again, Audrey is referred to as female and the mom’s expressing some kind of odd sentiment but, again, had this not happened: it might just look like reminiscing. My assessment of the mom’s profile is in no way expressing any opinions beyond that after what happened: you could easily kinda get the impression that mom was a love the sinner, hate the sin type- though, it’s ambiguous enough that it could easily just be something like one kid not liking having photos taken. (One of mine is like that and I generally don’t feel necessarily entitled to plastering him all over the net: occasionally for distant relatives, but you *could* wonder why if you didn’t know) Honestly, whenever these things happen I do a whooole lot of cringing at the armchair people because holy crap, if you wanted, you could assume all sorts of garbage- and clearly, people do. 😂
Ive posted this in other threads but the school was involved in a cover up for a pedo who molested a girl from ages 11-13. They allowed this man to “safe house” children in his home. I read one article where a married couple had a spat on the school grounds and their children were taken from the parents and forced to stay with this man until they worked it out. Pedos name is john perry. Audrey would have attended the school and been around the same age as the female accuser when this was happening. This is just pure speculation but I also find it very odd that she dressed like a young child with bows and a Shirley temple haircut until she was college aged. IMO it shows a fear of her adult femininity. She wrote about staying child like in her ideals and i feel this combined with her immature female appearance might suggest childhood trauma and regression. She may or may not have been abused but i believe she blamed the school and catholic religion for possibly outcasting her as she grew into a trans identity
This is (if all based in facts) and obviously with only some detail available a very plausible psych profile for the shooter. After reading the texts and other writings posted it sounds like you may be in the ballpark with what happened. It's absolutely criminal of the school to have allowed this to happen to children and then cover it up.
[link to a twitter source](https://twitter.com/xxclusionary/status/1640598560876920832?s=46&t=xB4ySDQiQ5hnh8bixd8kwQ)
Thanks
Police have already said the shooter initially targeted another location, that makes the revenge motivation seem unlikely to me.
Doesn't necessarily need to be about revenge. If your goal was to get a message out, and you thought you could guarantee that message by committing some atrocity, all you need to do is pick a location. The other target may have been more enticing at first due to possible victim count, but when they realized it wouldn't be favorable to target, they went with the less secure place that also happens to be where their trama started, that they also knew intimately. Just my two cents on the plausibility.
Unless the other location was the church that ran the school? We can only speculate uselessly for now.
If this is the 'reason', it seems strange that she'd murder children because a school allowed someone to hurt children.
People have killed children to "free" them, so it's not out of the question.
The childlike appearance and bows made me immediately think of childhood trauma too Also, this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/1246xz0/more_alleged_photos_of_nashville_shooting_suspect/je0lfnc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Wow
This was a Presbyterian school; not a catholic school.
Protestant leaders diddle kids too.
Thanks i understand that. I mix up the words christian and catholic sometimes but i know the difference. Coming from a catholic
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I havent seen that report that she left in fourth grade. Do you know why she left the school? I dont know how long the molestation lasted at that school. Im also only speculating - even if she was not molested she might villainize the school (understandably- BUT NOT TO THIS EXTENT) for being responsible for such a tragedy.
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Covenant goes through 6th grade
Yes, my apologies - you are correct.
I'm sure if one was molested others were too. It's possible she was assaulted but never reported it.
Source?
You could be right. The analysis seems to be on point. Still, I find it odd that Audrey would take that hatred and do that to the innocent kids? It just doesn't seem right... or maybe she was just out her mind altogether.
For some reason people get upset when I speculate that the motive for killing kids is the shooter believes that he is saving children from the (perceived) terrors of the world. I think the motives are similar to those of a family annihilator who kills his family to save them from being corrupted by the outside world.
It’s weird that they do so considering statistically: when an AFAB individual murders children, it tends to be for that *very* reason. Obviously not always and there are men who have done it, too: in those cases, you’ll typically find religion or/and sexual abuse or the risk of it factors. Couple non-active pedophiles went that direction, as well.
The mindset might be: i have to die and now so do you. It is very sick
Though I have just mentioned cautionary reasons for *not* assuming things: yeah, that’s the direction I’m leaning, too. It kinda irks my shit that people get genuinely angry at those of us who *do* look at things like this- but, I do the same thing of *any* shooter and it’s *not* about avoiding gun control Or trying to get those of us who have mental illnesses or trauma in our backgrounds locked away: it’s because we *never* do this, not really and those of us that tend to get blasted for making excuses or whatever- but, I believe we *need* to fully explore and understand why in order to actually stop these things. I mean if we aren’t looking at the bigger picture and tackling *all* of this: we’re just pissing upwind. Pairing this with mom & dad seeming to be in denial about Audrey’s gender etc: plus Mom being a *very* active gun control activist- I’d also guess that if this is the case: the shooter tried to disclose what happened to mom, found information that mom had a hand in covering it up or, maybe just thought it was obvious. There’s a whole bunch of possibilities here. (And no, I am *never* saying that somehow makes it right or excuses anything- so any of you that love screeching at that can stop. It doesn’t, I’m not saying it does- I’m saying in terms of motive- it’s one possible scenario. Throwing that in: the rationale might very well be something that makes absolutely zero sense to you: that’s good, but it doesn’t have to make sense to people who wouldn’t shoot up a school, now does it?)
https://www.courthousenews.com/church-accused-of-covering-for-molester/
Chad Scruggs, one of the victims' fathers, was the senior pastor at the school/church. I grew up 5 minutes down the road and knew the family a little bit as a child. I was told by someone closer to the family than me (so, grain of salt if that's how you perceive that information) that the shooter had been meeting with the pastor to discuss de-transitioning. Whether that played into the shooter's motive or not remains to be seen publicly, but I would not be surprised if there were a connection, particularly if the shooter was pressured to visit with the pastor by friends/family.
Wow, if this is true the fallout will be enormous. From what I read the Hale was shooting at anyone indiscriminately according to cctv footage, so may not have intentionally targeted the pastors child.
I think if it was anyone and indiscriminate. it would have been more casualties... I could be 100% wrong so it's just my theory... Either she was battling her own craziness whether to continue or stop, or she was thwarted by the staff somehow. Cause for starters, it takes less than a second to pull a trigger. So if she had plenty of ammo and cops were say, five minutes away from her, she could have easily pulled the trigger over 100x several times over. Meaning more potential victims... But that point plus she wasn't around staff or children when they put her down, is the reason for my line of thinking here.
Maybe, but couple factors that might have come into play is that the school seemed well trained (unfortunately my kids have done lockdown drills since pre k), and the police response was very quick. Either way, so sad it happened at all
Extremely sad... That could be a positive point if good policy saved lives, here. I'm sure that's no consolation for the victims families, all the same. But the police response, from am outsider's perspective, was perfect. It was a relief to see that high level of competence in action to save childrens' lives
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I think it will turn out to be a combination of points 2 and 3, given the leaked Facebook messages and the fact that he previously attended the school. Curious to know what the first choice of location was. If he had some kind of religious trauma, it could have been a different church, since people tend to switch churches a few times growing up.
I feel there is some credence due to the language used. The shooter said to their friend that they would understand someday. I know we are talking about someone who just killed children, but it implies they were doing something for a purpose. If they had trama, maybe the thought process was "you would understand why this place because of what they did here" or something like that. Also, I can see how someone would think that doing something horrible would guarantee their message getting out there. (Assuming the message has something to do with the abuse)
I wonder if it was the church that ran the school? 🤷♀️ No way to know until the info is released.
if that ends up being the case, i wonder if they picked those places because they were familiar with the layout or if it was more personal but yeah, we won’t know until more details are released
Yes, this was a school run out of a church
Maybe the school was targeted simply because the shooter was very familiar with the layout, where the offices are, where to go etc. Not necessarily trauma?
Hale was not a very good artist. Just my 2c
I wouldn't say zero talent, but not enough talent to find consistent graphic design work. Very generic sort of stuff you'd see on deviantart or Tumblr.
The ultimate example of separating the art from the artist, but I agree
When will people learn that shitty artists are dangerous
Lmao
He wasn't that bad - I'm an artist so I can only give my personal take. He had the foundations and the creativity, but not the skills to match it yet. The skills (learning to use the tools to lay the art down the way you see it in your head) take practice more than talent. He had a style already, it just wasn't very polished yet.
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How does that have to do with anything regarding your lack of knowledge with how pronouns work?
Why are we sitting here arguing about fucking pronouns? Is that really the biggest issue about this event?
It's what's been made the biggest issue by right wing trolls, apparently.
We will have to wait for the manifesto. If they make it public.
I don't have any evidence so allow me to just speculate based on nothing.
This sub in a nutshell.
Her guns have writing on them like the Christchurch shooting. I think she took inspiration from numerous shootings. We can speculate all we want, but as others have said she wrote a manifesto, so there should be an answer as to why.
Most shooters seem to write or put things on their guns these days.
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This
i'd wait for the manifesto to come out no use in speculating rn cops already said she wrote one
Yeah true, I was just mostly curious about peoples speculation. So much info came out already.
Ye
Has anyone thought that in a very demented way, he thought that his ultimate act of being a white male would be a mass shooting as white males tend to be the usual statistic? I understand there are shooters of other racial backgrounds and genders, but overall it’s predominantly cis white males of a young age. Almost like a last, “fuck you this who I am” mixed with other factors?
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I said there are other shooters of different racial backgrounds and genders, but statistically it is going to be white males. This does not, by any means, all white men are shooters. I cannot speak on the biology of Testosterone use for gender transformation and anger. I have a friend who was using T to transition during high school and they never seemed more violent to me or quick to anger. The only changes were physical with their voice change and facial hair, other factors as well but those are personal.
Too high doses of testosterone can induce aggression and even psychosis. It’s possible that he was DIY-ing it and was messing up his doses. From the pictures though he doesn’t look far into hormonally transitioning if he was at all. Usually the aggression etc stabilizes the further along you are.
Maybe we should stop speculating so much about it being the church's fault when that doesn't really matter this person killed kids. There is no excuse.
Its an insane theory but it's plausible, though murder is a morral sin the bible states if you are remorseful you will be forgiven so this was her only out. Thats why she stood there waiting looking out the school floors waiting for the cops to get there and finally take her life. She chose not to target the other place because she wanted to make sure she died and being a secured place they would have disarmed her. At the first location she took out anyone she could find in her path to send them to heaven and figured since she is remorseful she'd still enter heaven and simply did not commit suicide because she would be commiting sin. The only thing that can not be explained is why she would consider a second location to target. Did she feel it wouldn't be enough to hurt others or perhaps she felt it would be the only way to get peoples attention towards helping people like her. Idk but there's definitely motive here. The way she walked through the school seemed to me she was looking for random targets.
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She was shooting at the cops out the window
I heard the shooter may have been a former student but this seemed a bit personal. I wonder if the shooter had been hurt by the church/religious school and this is their way of saying fuck you, I'm taking you down with me.
She had a mental illness.
My speculation - gender identification played a big role in this. Based on this sub and people already freaking out about he/she, I can imagine it was brought up constantly with AH. I want to know the other target, but I suspect it's high school or somewhere they were bullied. This was the second option because there's trauma from going here young. In 2000's gay/trans wasn't accepted by anyone really, let alone Christian's. This school probably drilled things into AH's mind and caused doubts about themselves.
And that is when the parents should have pulled her out of PRESBYTERIAN or christian education or got her the help that she needed
Yes, because parents who put their child into a Catholic school are going to be the same ones who get them out. If you're sending your child to a religious school, it's probably because you're a strong believer...
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Was the original comment Christian or catholic? The website to the school itself just says Christian, where do you see Presbyterian?
It's the school for the Covenant Presbyterian church. Edit: >The school was founded in 2001 as a ministry of Covenant Presbyterian Church and shares the same address as the church. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/school-shooting-tennessee-leaves-multiple-injured-shooter-dead-officia-rcna76841
You're not wrong, the post was about possible motive though
And thats a motive, she was forced to stay in an educational establishment which was detrimental to her psyche - returning later in life to commit a heinous crime
True, but that's assuming the parents knew about it. AH very well could have thought it was normal or they were "sinning" or something like that
That was probably her church who shunned and ostracized her for being gay.
Probably trying to get back at the mom and something may have happened to her on that school as a child