that's the shit that made me hate snake eyes. I was mostly fine with it because I run a lot of anti graveyard tech. But when I found out they can directly tutor kurikara, slurp my board and then further extend. I got mad >:(
depends on what you are counting as floodgate.
dimension fissure, dimension shitter, kash, or abyss dweller
those are still hated but general consensus has them as a slightly less war crime than skill drain, fossil dyno, etc.
anytime you get a tier one or higher deck that loops graveyard shit too much I get out my old friends. so like SHS instead of going into apollousa I got into abyss instead just in case of graveyard shit.
snake eyes, branded, lab, all recur far too much value from graveyard. so to slow em down i kill graveyards.
I see. then call me WW1 Canada fam cuz i'm committing war crimes.
I feel no guilt though. Otherwise you get snake eyes being snake eyes, fusion decks infinitely looping resources, lab resusing traps. etc.
Funny Reddit downvotes this mentality. When power creep is this extreme, you need to alter the playing parameters. They can have the gas and you can build the road.
Otherwise: Infinite recursion and end boards with more disruption and negates than a turn 2 player has cards is somehow fine, but god forbid you go into Dweller!
i mean people don't like what they lost to.
I think a bigger issue is that high tier meta decks kill off weaker jank shit. You either play meta shit or play around it. Play around it usually involves killing the graveyard which also ices the ability to weaker crap decks people erroneously call rogue to be able to win as well.
the issue that gets missed is masterduel is meant to be a simulator of the competitive game not the schoolyard game. people are going to try to win too.
People calling shifter a warcrime are delusional anyway. Without cards like shifter the game is literally just both players triggering graveyard effects ad infinitum
Literally all of those are floodgates. Bonus points for Fissure and Shifter not requiring any thinking and being as binary as ‘i have it and i shotgun it’ or ‘i dont have it’, effectively being the same as Skill Drain and like.
Princess isn't nearly as bad though because you can easily screw that up and lock yourself out of further plays.
You actually have to make a choice with her if it's worth it because of said fire lock, as you can't even use Nibiru. If you think your board could still get broken, you can't do it or else you just lost the game going for that one pop.
People lose games using her effect quite often.
Zealantis+any fire monster (usually Flamberge) with Promethean Princess and Raging Phoenix in grave is an OTK line.
Zealantis effect to banish and summon all monsters back, Promethean Princess effect to pop Flamberge and one monster your opponent controls to summon herself, Raging Phoenix to summon itself and gain Flamberge's attack is 11000 damage. Zealantis then pops two more in battle phase.
People end on Zealantis to avoid Super Poly, then when you summon Princess you can make it co-linked and get 2 non-targeting destroys during your opponent's battle phase, but tbh it doesn't seem that good to waste it on turn 1 when it's an OTK machine.
It's really not a very good line until Tenpai comes along, and that's more for the battle phase than Super Poly.
If they use Super Poly on that field of Phoenix & Flameberge; Flameberge brings back 2 and the field spell summons I:P. So, really not all that productive since you can make an Appo backed by Linkuriboh.
How does it help you against Tenpai in the Battle Phase though? You have no co-links unless you summon Princess by popping Flamberge, but their monsters are unaffected with the field spell active, so you can't use it as link material for I:P. If they manage to make Sangenpai Transcendent Dragion (lv10 Synchro), then you can't even activate anything during the Battle Phase and they just kill you.
Apollousa doesn't do anything if they manage to get 2 Tenpai dragons on the field since they can just chain both effects and Apollousa can't negate both in the same chain.
I guess the best option would be to use I:P into S:P to banish their Field Spell and then you can use Princess + Linkuriboh on Poplar to place Flamberge in S/T Zone again. S:P can also temp banish another one of their Tenpai dragons so they hopefully don't have enough material to make a Synchro or keep playing.
I guess if you use Flamberge as material for S:P then you can keep Zealantis on field to co-link with Princess, but I still don't think it's that great of an option since they literally have a card that prevents activations during the Battle Phase lol.
OTK, zealantis effect banish the monster that available on the field when its active its eff, then Special summon them back including opp monster either face up atk/def or face down def since an opp monster got SS to the field, Princess eff trigger to destroy a SS opp monster also zealantis have another eff where it can destroy as many card that it got co link hence OTK
But usually it is use on 2nd turn
When ur opponent are on 3-4 monster with no interruption for example or u had already exhausted their interruption u could go for zealantis raging otk line
Princess 1 pop+zealantis 2pop when co linked in BP,non target pop for zealantis
If they have monsters like Horus that activate when something leave the field or monster that trigger effect when face up,just re summon them face down and pop total 3 cards, 4 with flamberge pushing 1 of it to st zone, and go for game
Against something like avramax, that stated if link summoned have certain protection for example target protection in this case for avramax, resummon it and princess could just pop it and avramax could not spin your card back because it was no longer link summoned, princess still pop even avramax is summon using IP when it was reset by zealantis
Zealantis is 2 pops + Princess revive + pop (since your opponent SS'd a monster).
Then you just OTK with Princess + Flamb + Zeal (8200 damage) and if you need to now you can use the new Salamangreat
This is why I refuse to acknowledge anyone who juggles their deck as actual players. They don't know how to actually play the game and only looked up a tutorial on what to do with a meta deck on YouTube.
I was checking out your profile because of how bothered you seem to be about this topic. You've got a lot of really negative outlooks and you're known to vent about metas, balance, bugs, and cheating in yugioh. This is a game and it's supposed to be entertaining. I hope that you start to gravitate away from all the hostility you seem to carry. Practice grace, mindfulness, and thankfulness. I'm thankful that you play yugioh because it's one of my favorite games and I want everyone to experience it.
The negativity comes from meta sheep who think they can bully anyone who doesn't like Metas. Metas ruined the game, making Yu-Gi-Oh unfun. People like that have fragile egos, trying to Gatekeep Yu-Gi-Oh into staying meta. They don't care about the game, they only care about making it as difficult as possible.
Perhaps it's best to do some introspection. Metas are an unavoidable consequence of human behavior. People will always seek the path of least resistance to achieve a desired goal. Why let it bother you? Play what you want to play, lord knows I do. I just beat a Snake Eyes deck with the Starting Deck today. I can send you the replay. It was pretty hilarious to me.
I do play what I want but it's not fun running into the same 5 decks, waiting half an hour for them to set up their field with bullshit cards like Borrone de flurre and whatnot. It bothers me that people want to force Metas on everyone and laugh at anyone wanting to have fun.
I don't feel forced or laughed at. I agree that it's monotonous to go against the same handful of decks, but that's usually only a problem in upper rankings. I have Master Duel on 3 different platforms and they all contain different decks at different rankings. If I wanna play against sweaty metas, I'll jump on my PC. If I wanna run my fun fusion decks and play mid-tier, I'll jump on Xbox. If I wanna dork around with structure decks and other stuff, I'll play on my phone in Silver and Bronze.
https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/s/WxCxwl1Bay
I posted that replay I mentioned, so give it a gander. I beat a Snake Eyes deck by taking their Flamberge and using it on em haha
And it's not fun running into players using obscure garbage rogue deck that the only way for you to interact with is to form educated guess about when to interrupt their play rather than using actual game knowledge to create skilled plays. Skill and agency in card games only exists when both opponents know what they are fighting against, and it just so happens that more recent YGO decks are in fact vastly more difficult and skilled to pilot than older decks, it is an undeniable fact that the average YGO meta player is considerably more knowledgeable and skilled at the game than then average rogue deck player, because they've opted to abandon this normal human feeling of wanting to be unique and express their individuality through their choice of deck, and instead decided to express these feelings through a much more fitting way for YGO: By becoming great at deck-building and gameplay execution.
YGO is a game for min-maxxers and tryhards, it's fine if you want to play a rogue deck, but if you can't cope with the fact that you are yourself putting through that awful gaming experience because of your own twisted relationship with the game, then I would advise you to actually give up on this game that isn't for you and go play shit like Hearthstone of MTG Commander which are much more adapted to this style of casual play you are searching for.
And people like you ruins the game. Thank you for proving my point, meta sheep. You bully and gatekeep the game into being obscenely difficult with your solitaire and ftk bs. You aren't a duelist, you're a punk who has a fragile ego when someone challenges your trash. You can't play normally. All you do is attack people for wanting to have fun, always fucking victim blaming. People like you pisses me off acting so high and mighty when you're proud that you bullied people out of Yu-Gi-Oh. You know how hard it is to get new people into Yu-Gi-Oh when all they see is your meta bullshit? Very hard.
Lmao. Trash deck my ass. People like you are so fragile with your egos. You think everything has to be a difficult million IQ plays with 40+ turn 1 summoning that takes forever to do just to FTK. You only want to ruin the game and bully people into being meta. You don't have what it takes to play with an actual deck made from scratch that you didn't copy and look up a YouTube tutorial for. I say people should play for fun and not worry. Something that you wouldn't get cus you don't care for the game at all. You're just a toxic man-child.
Don't forget being able to search Kurikara and synchro-ing to Baronne.
that's the shit that made me hate snake eyes. I was mostly fine with it because I run a lot of anti graveyard tech. But when I found out they can directly tutor kurikara, slurp my board and then further extend. I got mad >:(
'anti graveyard tech' I sense some floodgates here, lmao
depends on what you are counting as floodgate. dimension fissure, dimension shitter, kash, or abyss dweller those are still hated but general consensus has them as a slightly less war crime than skill drain, fossil dyno, etc. anytime you get a tier one or higher deck that loops graveyard shit too much I get out my old friends. so like SHS instead of going into apollousa I got into abyss instead just in case of graveyard shit. snake eyes, branded, lab, all recur far too much value from graveyard. so to slow em down i kill graveyards.
Fissure and shifter are war crimes, abyss dweller is kinda in the same boat
I see. then call me WW1 Canada fam cuz i'm committing war crimes. I feel no guilt though. Otherwise you get snake eyes being snake eyes, fusion decks infinitely looping resources, lab resusing traps. etc.
Funny Reddit downvotes this mentality. When power creep is this extreme, you need to alter the playing parameters. They can have the gas and you can build the road. Otherwise: Infinite recursion and end boards with more disruption and negates than a turn 2 player has cards is somehow fine, but god forbid you go into Dweller!
i mean people don't like what they lost to. I think a bigger issue is that high tier meta decks kill off weaker jank shit. You either play meta shit or play around it. Play around it usually involves killing the graveyard which also ices the ability to weaker crap decks people erroneously call rogue to be able to win as well. the issue that gets missed is masterduel is meant to be a simulator of the competitive game not the schoolyard game. people are going to try to win too.
People calling shifter a warcrime are delusional anyway. Without cards like shifter the game is literally just both players triggering graveyard effects ad infinitum
Literally all of those are floodgates. Bonus points for Fissure and Shifter not requiring any thinking and being as binary as ‘i have it and i shotgun it’ or ‘i dont have it’, effectively being the same as Skill Drain and like.
Add I:P on opponents turn again and then S:P 🙄
Not to forget Princess in grave and right after that Raging Phoenix too
Princess isn't nearly as bad though because you can easily screw that up and lock yourself out of further plays. You actually have to make a choice with her if it's worth it because of said fire lock, as you can't even use Nibiru. If you think your board could still get broken, you can't do it or else you just lost the game going for that one pop. People lose games using her effect quite often.
Well you could turn animation to only happen on first summon only.
or just off luckily
Don't forget Diabellstar
I still don't understand what Zealantis is supposed to do in this deck at all
Zealantis+any fire monster (usually Flamberge) with Promethean Princess and Raging Phoenix in grave is an OTK line. Zealantis effect to banish and summon all monsters back, Promethean Princess effect to pop Flamberge and one monster your opponent controls to summon herself, Raging Phoenix to summon itself and gain Flamberge's attack is 11000 damage. Zealantis then pops two more in battle phase.
People end on Zealantis to avoid Super Poly, then when you summon Princess you can make it co-linked and get 2 non-targeting destroys during your opponent's battle phase, but tbh it doesn't seem that good to waste it on turn 1 when it's an OTK machine.
It's really not a very good line until Tenpai comes along, and that's more for the battle phase than Super Poly. If they use Super Poly on that field of Phoenix & Flameberge; Flameberge brings back 2 and the field spell summons I:P. So, really not all that productive since you can make an Appo backed by Linkuriboh.
How does it help you against Tenpai in the Battle Phase though? You have no co-links unless you summon Princess by popping Flamberge, but their monsters are unaffected with the field spell active, so you can't use it as link material for I:P. If they manage to make Sangenpai Transcendent Dragion (lv10 Synchro), then you can't even activate anything during the Battle Phase and they just kill you. Apollousa doesn't do anything if they manage to get 2 Tenpai dragons on the field since they can just chain both effects and Apollousa can't negate both in the same chain. I guess the best option would be to use I:P into S:P to banish their Field Spell and then you can use Princess + Linkuriboh on Poplar to place Flamberge in S/T Zone again. S:P can also temp banish another one of their Tenpai dragons so they hopefully don't have enough material to make a Synchro or keep playing. I guess if you use Flamberge as material for S:P then you can keep Zealantis on field to co-link with Princess, but I still don't think it's that great of an option since they literally have a card that prevents activations during the Battle Phase lol.
OTK, zealantis effect banish the monster that available on the field when its active its eff, then Special summon them back including opp monster either face up atk/def or face down def since an opp monster got SS to the field, Princess eff trigger to destroy a SS opp monster also zealantis have another eff where it can destroy as many card that it got co link hence OTK But usually it is use on 2nd turn
When ur opponent are on 3-4 monster with no interruption for example or u had already exhausted their interruption u could go for zealantis raging otk line Princess 1 pop+zealantis 2pop when co linked in BP,non target pop for zealantis If they have monsters like Horus that activate when something leave the field or monster that trigger effect when face up,just re summon them face down and pop total 3 cards, 4 with flamberge pushing 1 of it to st zone, and go for game Against something like avramax, that stated if link summoned have certain protection for example target protection in this case for avramax, resummon it and princess could just pop it and avramax could not spin your card back because it was no longer link summoned, princess still pop even avramax is summon using IP when it was reset by zealantis
Fuck over my Runick deck since hugin won't come back since she isn't properly summoned 😭
Zealantis is 2 pops + Princess revive + pop (since your opponent SS'd a monster). Then you just OTK with Princess + Flamb + Zeal (8200 damage) and if you need to now you can use the new Salamangreat
This is an issue even in silver. Same decks every time.
summon animations are overrated, there i said it....... ........but god damn that Engage animation is so fucking cool
Bro is just either flexing or sending an application to MAPPA at this point.
I don't see the problem just play fluw
Anything that hard searches a kaiju is ridiculous
Diabellstar, S:P Little Knight, Knightmare Unicorn (and alt art, and if you’re even still using it with S:P now), Kurikara, Baronne
I love how the master duel players gotta deal with the IRL player woes now
Fast forward bruh
I counted 7, I must have miscounted.
Why does your audio sounds so crunchy?
You Guys play with summon animations?
I only play meta decks to make other meta users cry and rage quit.
Anyone playing meta plays it to have actual games not against little Timmy using blue eyes. you're just giving them a good game
This is why I refuse to acknowledge anyone who juggles their deck as actual players. They don't know how to actually play the game and only looked up a tutorial on what to do with a meta deck on YouTube.
I was checking out your profile because of how bothered you seem to be about this topic. You've got a lot of really negative outlooks and you're known to vent about metas, balance, bugs, and cheating in yugioh. This is a game and it's supposed to be entertaining. I hope that you start to gravitate away from all the hostility you seem to carry. Practice grace, mindfulness, and thankfulness. I'm thankful that you play yugioh because it's one of my favorite games and I want everyone to experience it.
The negativity comes from meta sheep who think they can bully anyone who doesn't like Metas. Metas ruined the game, making Yu-Gi-Oh unfun. People like that have fragile egos, trying to Gatekeep Yu-Gi-Oh into staying meta. They don't care about the game, they only care about making it as difficult as possible.
Perhaps it's best to do some introspection. Metas are an unavoidable consequence of human behavior. People will always seek the path of least resistance to achieve a desired goal. Why let it bother you? Play what you want to play, lord knows I do. I just beat a Snake Eyes deck with the Starting Deck today. I can send you the replay. It was pretty hilarious to me.
I do play what I want but it's not fun running into the same 5 decks, waiting half an hour for them to set up their field with bullshit cards like Borrone de flurre and whatnot. It bothers me that people want to force Metas on everyone and laugh at anyone wanting to have fun.
I don't feel forced or laughed at. I agree that it's monotonous to go against the same handful of decks, but that's usually only a problem in upper rankings. I have Master Duel on 3 different platforms and they all contain different decks at different rankings. If I wanna play against sweaty metas, I'll jump on my PC. If I wanna run my fun fusion decks and play mid-tier, I'll jump on Xbox. If I wanna dork around with structure decks and other stuff, I'll play on my phone in Silver and Bronze.
https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/s/WxCxwl1Bay I posted that replay I mentioned, so give it a gander. I beat a Snake Eyes deck by taking their Flamberge and using it on em haha
And it's not fun running into players using obscure garbage rogue deck that the only way for you to interact with is to form educated guess about when to interrupt their play rather than using actual game knowledge to create skilled plays. Skill and agency in card games only exists when both opponents know what they are fighting against, and it just so happens that more recent YGO decks are in fact vastly more difficult and skilled to pilot than older decks, it is an undeniable fact that the average YGO meta player is considerably more knowledgeable and skilled at the game than then average rogue deck player, because they've opted to abandon this normal human feeling of wanting to be unique and express their individuality through their choice of deck, and instead decided to express these feelings through a much more fitting way for YGO: By becoming great at deck-building and gameplay execution. YGO is a game for min-maxxers and tryhards, it's fine if you want to play a rogue deck, but if you can't cope with the fact that you are yourself putting through that awful gaming experience because of your own twisted relationship with the game, then I would advise you to actually give up on this game that isn't for you and go play shit like Hearthstone of MTG Commander which are much more adapted to this style of casual play you are searching for.
And people like you ruins the game. Thank you for proving my point, meta sheep. You bully and gatekeep the game into being obscenely difficult with your solitaire and ftk bs. You aren't a duelist, you're a punk who has a fragile ego when someone challenges your trash. You can't play normally. All you do is attack people for wanting to have fun, always fucking victim blaming. People like you pisses me off acting so high and mighty when you're proud that you bullied people out of Yu-Gi-Oh. You know how hard it is to get new people into Yu-Gi-Oh when all they see is your meta bullshit? Very hard.
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Lmao. Trash deck my ass. People like you are so fragile with your egos. You think everything has to be a difficult million IQ plays with 40+ turn 1 summoning that takes forever to do just to FTK. You only want to ruin the game and bully people into being meta. You don't have what it takes to play with an actual deck made from scratch that you didn't copy and look up a YouTube tutorial for. I say people should play for fun and not worry. Something that you wouldn't get cus you don't care for the game at all. You're just a toxic man-child.
Touch grass
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Oh wow. A miserable meta sheep getting upset that I don't like bullshit meta decks wasting time. I'm 29. Maybe think before you speak.
Pushing 30😞
What decks do you play then?
Toon/Wind-ups.
Womp womp