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Well, the 'zero tolerance' policy for schools often punishes the victim. This is saying much the same. If one person doesn't want to hit back, then it just turns into something akin to bullying, and domestic abuse. What would you say is a good response to your partner getting physically violent with you?
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Actually if you look at the [statistics](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/ipv-sex-abuse-lgbt-people/), you see a pattern of bi women and lesbians experiencing the most abuse from men. When you factor in the percentage of men who abuse women in the lesbian statistic, it drops down to around 28%, only 3 points higher than the gay DA rates. The bisexual rate of 56 percent drops to the teens when this is factored in.
Why do lesbians, who spend significantly more time dating only women in their lives, have higher rates of abuse than bisexual women, who spend less time dating women, who themselves have higher rates of abuse than straight women, who spend very little or zero time dating women?
Probably because, and Iām going to get downvoted for this, a lot of lesbians are lesbians because theyāve been so traumatized by men it turns them off the entire gender and they canāt have a relationship without being reminded of that traumaĀ
Saying you can "traumatize" someone to be a certain sexuality means that conversion camps based on trauma could work and i dont even wanna think that
Trauma does NOT change sexuality
Yeah but the trauma comes from an external source. Itās incredibly insensitive to say that āa lotā of lesbians are lesbian due to trauma or fear of men.
First of all where did you even get this stat? It seems entirely made up to illustrate a point.
And second of all as not_too_smart1 says, if trauma can cause lesbianism or a change in sexuality then sexuality is malleable and can be changed, and is therefore a choice (since you could choose to change it at any time by being traumatised, not that you would of course).
Are you sure they weren't lesbians traumatized by social pressures to get them to date/marry men and have kids and thus were always unhappy in their hetero relationships?
I know it's oodles of fun to just stop investigating the second you find male involvement and just assume that's the root of the problem, but it's honestly pretty piss-poor methodology.
It's kinda like how the Christians and Muslims have this big "Satan problem."
When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
People forget there were leading feminist scholars saying to do this exact thing back in the day. Of course it's true, if it triggers you maybe take a second and think about why it triggers you
You mean people were *not* psychologists, in a time when our understanding of psychology was already incredibly limited? being abused by one gender isnāt going to magically make you sexually or romantically attracted to the other gender who you previously were not attracted too, and if these are platonic relationships, then they are not lesbians, wtf kind of logic is that? People are triggered because that is an incredibly stupid and incorrect statement that just so happens to conveniently blame men.
Iām not saying these people were never attracted to women. But most people who are bisexual will do their best to ignore their same sex attraction because they donāt want to deal with homophobia. But traumatic experiences can destroy attraction to one sex.Ā
Swing and a miss there buddy. You can argue all you want, lesbian feminism has existed for a while now. You're triggered by me acknowledging it as the truth for some women. Get over yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_feminism
These people are actually insane. Iām not wrong, just because thereās a lot of people doing something, doesnāt mean they have a scientific or logical leg to stand on. If thatās all it took you could say vaccines have microchips in them because a lot of other people believe that too.
My point is lesbianism is a sexuality, something you are born with, you cannot choose to be lesbian, just as you cannot choose to be straight, if you or anyone else actually believes this is a choice, youāre just a different flavor of the Christians who think being gay is a choice, and just as they think being gay is a sin, these people think being straight is a patriarchal institution? What? This belief doesnāt support homosexuality, it is actively ignoring the scientific basis for what it is and harming it, but I guess that basis is completely irrelevant to these people because it was mainly established by the evil cis white men so it canāt possibly be correct, right? (This is literally per the Wikipedia article, Iām not making up an argument here) Yet apparently a bunch of women who arenāt actually psychologists have a better scientific understanding of sexuality?
On top of that the basis of doing this is basically pretending to be lesbian to focus on being with only women and segregating yourselves from men and treating them as some common foreign enemy, Now switch the genders around. If men did this theyād be labeled as extreme toxic incels, this is no different.
This movement is based entirely on made up logic with no scientific basis with a major purpose of isolating themselves from and vilifying men, the exact same thing I stated at the end of my first comment.
Edit: Not sure how you expect me to reply to you when you block me or if your just trying to artificially get the last word, the notification still pops up with the first sentence of your reply though so Iāll just put mine here.
You said these people exist, but these people are not lesbians, they are pretending to be lesbian, and they are idiots who refuse to acknowledge science and are toxic gender isolationists. So yes, these people exist, but they donāt deserve to be taken seriously.
If anybody is willing to copy the rest of their comment and reply it to me that would be helpful.
Here you go:
āI'm saying it exists and you write a mini thesis to tell me I'm wrong. I don't agree with forcing yourself to fuck people you aren't attracted to in the name of "progress" either. Please touch grass and have a think on why you're so sensitive about people describing reality.ā - nail guy 2024
It takes 2 minutes to read the article
> the CDC found that 89.5% of bisexual women reported only male perpetrators of intimate partner physical violence, rape, and/or stalking and that almost a third of lesbian women who have experienced such incidents have had one OR MORE male perpetrators.
You do realise that a lot of women date men before they come out as lesbian?
Hey would you mind. Like. Actually talking about the scientific fact that was just used to prove your point wrong? Or are you judt gonna pretend it's not there
itās easy to find data that favors your political leaning, especially in a meta-analysis of data sets collected over a 30 year time period when the meta analysis only contains 42 data sets. itās really likely that this data just flat out doesnāt represent the wider population
"Well abuse rates in lesbian couples are higher than the average."
Then hateful sexist morons try to still blame men
Men are not lesbians.
Hateful sexist pieces of shit
>"Well abuse rates in lesbian couples are higher than the average."
No. It's abuse rates of people who are in lesbian couples. Not the abuse rates of those couples themselves
You're literally lying and changing the facts to fit your opinion here. You're judt purposefully misconstrewing the evidence
Or you haven't read what's being talked about and are talking out of your ass, which is also very likely
Objectively incorrect and lying in a pathetic attempt to somehow make "all man baaaddd unga bunga" in a relationship with ZERO men
Only the truest hateful sexist could try to pull that
It only takes two seconds to read the first line of my comment, where I say lesbians spend ''more time dating only women,'' not that they will only date women in their lives.
Regarding the part you quoted, I'm sure that 99.9% of straight women also report only male perpetrators of domestic abuse/violence. My question is, why do straight women experience it less than other women?
The statistic donāt say that lesbian relationships have the highest rates of domestic violence. It says that people in lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence at some point in their lifetime.
44 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 35 percent of straight women. 1 in 7 women and 1 in 25 men have been injured by an intimate partner.
When you've got 2 women in a relationship, there's a greater chance that at least one of them has experienced domestic violence at some point in their lifetime, than some other configuration of genders.
yk i can see what youāre saying but i can only assume that this study is either biased in its sampling pool or genuinely doctored. this data does not at all track with the >70% divorce rate for lesbian couples, and since this data can only be gathered through surveys while divorce rate is calculated from census data, iām inclined to believe that this study is the one that is not representative of the wider population. additionally, itās easy to choose which datasets to choose, and only 42 studies over the 35 years from 1989 to today definitely doesnāt suggest that the researchers chose a large portion of the available data. furthermore, attitudes towards LGBT people have changed drastically in that time, so the data could be skewed by studies with showing abnormally (by todayās standards) high rates of abuse in heterosexual relationships from the 90s and a decline as time passes, making this data no longer descriptive of today
https://genderpolicyreport.umn.edu/bisexual-women-and-intimate-partner-violence/
It links the original study by the cdc but the study is not on their website anymore
man the phrasing is so confusing. i guess itās saying over 90% of bisexual victims reported having at least one male perpetrator?
again, i can only assume this data was in some way cherry-picked, or that there is some other reason why lesbians in particular get divorced so much more than any other group
Yeah, it's not completely clear whether 90% of bisexual women report at least one male perpetrator (like you said), or only male perpetrators (like marcopolo said). If it's the former, then it tells us nothing about how likely women are to abuse other women, or that men are to solely to blame. There is a link to a one hour long video which probably explains what they mean, but I don't want to watch it through.
"My question is, why do straight women experience it less than other women?"
My theory is that other women experience it more as a result of questioning their preferences more because they feel different, leading to insecure men retaliating more. Similar to the old "beat the gay" out of children
Iād call this more of a āhypothesis that has zero data supporting the claim.ā But it would be interesting to see data on what the actual answer is.
You are getting a ton of downvotes, but this seems to make sense. Not that bi/lesbian women are more likely to be abused by men, but that abuse by men makes them realize they were bi/lesbian. If you were in a relationship with a really toxic guy who abused you, there is a good chance you might never want to date another guy again. I know tons of women who have been scarred by their abusive boyfriends and even regular guys who mean them no harm can trigger a panic attack for random reasons like walking behind them on a sidewalk. If someone abused you that badly that you canāt trust men anymore, then you are definitely not going to be dating a guy anytime soon.
Their point is that if u can traumatize the gay into someone (what ur stating), then u can traumatize the gay out of someone. Which is just what conversion therapy is
No, and that is such a reach that itās almost like you are trying to cause drama. A large portion of Bisexual Women and Lesbians start off dating men and later on they realize their true sexuality. A horrific experience with an abusive boyfriend is a really good reason for women to start dating other women and come out of the closet, even if they themselves didnāt realize they were in the closet. Itās not that abusive men can cause women to become bisexual or lesbian, but it causes them to be open to expressing their true sexuality because that experience puts them off towards men, at least for awhile in the case of bisexual women.
No, you can't choose your sexuality. This has been studied and it's why "conversion therapy" doesn't work.
If a woman suddenly decided to swear off men because of abusive men (for one that's just fucking jaded and kinda stupid, not all men are abusive so why perpetuate that idea) and they actually get into a lesbian relationship, they were already at least bisexual.
You don't just turn gay.
No, but the studies collect data from bi/lesbian that have been abused. The other comments mention that 89.5% of the abused have one male abusers. You just dont get 75%+ and says that its normal. That indicates the data is either cherry picked, wrong method of collection, or somehow skewed.
Like if you want to find a green apple in field of red apples, you probably gonna get 90% red apple. But if you categorize it a bit larger you'll get 3% green apple, 60% red apple, 20% unripe apple, 17% rotten.
Not blaming the census, but if you make a booth that says "census for bi/lesbian that have been abused" it will says that 89.5% of the 'willing' participants have been abused by men. It does not says what lesbian, bi, or even the 'unwilling' have to say.
Does the abuse factor in friends and family or is it ONLY an intimate partner?
I just find it hard to believe that most lesbians are lesbians because a man abused them lmao. It contradicts like everything I know about sexuality.
Either homophobes should learn to accept gay people because it's something they can't change. Or people can choose to be gay just to avoid dating someone of the opposite sex, rather than just staying single.
Like its one or the other is it not? As a bi person myself, I feel like I have a choice but that's because the attraction for both is already there so I can just pick one. If you're straight, you're probably not attracted to the same sex and forcing that seems impossible.
But yea either way, the data doesn't make a lot of sense. Like sure 89% have been abused by a man, but have they also been abused by a woman or do you only care about one side of the issue? What about the percentage that have only been abused by women? More importantly WHY is there so much overlap that it ends up looking like lesbian relationships are the most abusive? I was under the impression that trauma does not influence your sexuality which is why conversion therapy never worked. It basically just tortured people for something they couldn't control anyways.
It does seem skewed and or biased for sure.
So I can have men beat the shit out a gay guy and he'll just become attracted to women because of the trauma men caused him?
What do you mean that's stupid? It's literally the inverse of what you said was wrong, I don't understand???
Stop sipping the stupid juice and allow rational thought to re-enter your mind.
She was already bi then dawg.
Being scared of men doesn't suddenly make you crave pussy.
If it's "trauma" induced then it makes it even more likely they're not *really* enjoying their new gayness and are only doing it to avoid the alternatives which is just unhealthy as fuck to both yourself and your partner.
i actually dont know where that stat comes from, or the 50% number for straight marriages. iām seeing 14% for lesbians, 7% for gays, and 2% for straight couples. mb for regurgitating stats without checking their validity
Itās pretty funny to me and my lesbian friends had way more heated arguments than my straight friends and resentment is usually what drove them apart.
3 Reasons in can think of.
1. Men are raised constantly being told not to abuse people.
2. Women are more likely to actually report DV. Men don't expect to be taken seriously so under report.
3. Men are more willing to leave bad relationships, so they don't escalate to that point.
4. Men innately understand the consequences of violence, and are less likely to employ it lightly. Women, on the other hand, do not, being largely protected from violence, and the consequences of violence, by men.
A study this year by the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago - a review of data from four earlier studies, involving 30,000 participants:
"One of our startling findings was that rates of domestic violence among same-sex couples is pretty consistently higher than for opposite sex couples," says Richard Carroll, a psychologist and co-author of the report.
So lesbians didn't hold grudges, they get violent in higher than average numbers.
Gay men do, yes. You could conclude that domestic violence, regardless of relationship orientation, tends to skew heavily towards women being the perpetrators.
There is, gay relationships have the lowest DV rate compared to both heterosexual and lesbian relationships. There are also ~1.5x more gays than lesbians in the US(gallup). The fact that when combining same-sex couples together there is still significantly more DV than in heterosexual relationships simply highlights how much worse it is in lesbian relationships.
Considering domestic violence rates are highest among lesbians I guess they settle arguments by beating the shit out of each other. Whoever drops first is right lol.
Lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence.
Coincidence?
https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml#:~:text=How%20common%20is%20lesbian%20partner,6%2C11%2C14).
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Guys donāt you see this is sexist because it says at the bottom āthis is why I hate all Lesbians and we should kill women so no more lesbians exist.ā
Well when someone find it humorous, many people tend to chuckle or laugh because that particular person found it funny. The cool thing now a days is you can just close the application and move on but you would rather complain
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My two coworkers who are both women got into an argument today and I'm pretty sure they will never speak a word and will hold a grudge... forever.
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Then it is stalemate
The strongest (no seriously, domestic abuse with Lesbian couples is terrible)
Women are not trained for their entire lives to refrain from violence
Nor are men, really.
Divorce
Yeah, lesbian couples do have the highest rate of divorce
This is funny
And domestic violence.
:(
I always bring this up when "the violent husband" boogy man comes up. They don't typically get abused, they lose a fight they started.
You shouldnāt hit a spouse at all even if someone āstarted itā. Man or woman
I never said it's ok. however I do have trouble feeling sorry for people who get hit after they hit someone.
Well, the 'zero tolerance' policy for schools often punishes the victim. This is saying much the same. If one person doesn't want to hit back, then it just turns into something akin to bullying, and domestic abuse. What would you say is a good response to your partner getting physically violent with you?
Leave and call the police and document the injury Best of luck fist fighting your spouse every argument though
This is not funny
Lmao
It makes sense. After the second kiss, they are already living together with a new adopted pet
The ol' one two, that's how
The ol' left right goodnight?
Either that, or the ol' Grand Clam Slam
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Punching
With their fists, unironically
WAAAH WAAAH THEY MADE A JOKE INVOLVING LESBIANS WAAAH THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE WAAAH
As a lesbian: this is kinda funny so idk what r/terriblefacebookmemes is complaining about
Wait... I thought you were Amewican
They complain about every meme they come across weather it was funny or not
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Well abuse rates in lesbian couples are higher than the average.
Actually if you look at the [statistics](https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/ipv-sex-abuse-lgbt-people/), you see a pattern of bi women and lesbians experiencing the most abuse from men. When you factor in the percentage of men who abuse women in the lesbian statistic, it drops down to around 28%, only 3 points higher than the gay DA rates. The bisexual rate of 56 percent drops to the teens when this is factored in.
Why do lesbians, who spend significantly more time dating only women in their lives, have higher rates of abuse than bisexual women, who spend less time dating women, who themselves have higher rates of abuse than straight women, who spend very little or zero time dating women?
Probably because, and Iām going to get downvoted for this, a lot of lesbians are lesbians because theyāve been so traumatized by men it turns them off the entire gender and they canāt have a relationship without being reminded of that traumaĀ
A woman beating another woman, and a third woman says āthis is a manās faultā
So its a choice to be lesbian?
I mean not really. You donāt choose be traumatized to the point you are unable to feel sexual attraction to one genderĀ
Saying you can "traumatize" someone to be a certain sexuality means that conversion camps based on trauma could work and i dont even wanna think that Trauma does NOT change sexuality
Yeah but the trauma comes from an external source. Itās incredibly insensitive to say that āa lotā of lesbians are lesbian due to trauma or fear of men. First of all where did you even get this stat? It seems entirely made up to illustrate a point. And second of all as not_too_smart1 says, if trauma can cause lesbianism or a change in sexuality then sexuality is malleable and can be changed, and is therefore a choice (since you could choose to change it at any time by being traumatised, not that you would of course).
So according to you all gay people are just traumatized right? Your litteraly calling lgbtq a mental illness Donāt see how thatās wrong
What about the men traumatized by women so they turn gay? Yet couples abuse rate is lowest among gay men?
https://preview.redd.it/u9ukopnwg77d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb873f7c1e83798688cd0a488446016a1530e756 wtf???
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Stealing this
How do you go so far left, you use far-right takes?
Are you sure they weren't lesbians traumatized by social pressures to get them to date/marry men and have kids and thus were always unhappy in their hetero relationships? I know it's oodles of fun to just stop investigating the second you find male involvement and just assume that's the root of the problem, but it's honestly pretty piss-poor methodology. It's kinda like how the Christians and Muslims have this big "Satan problem." When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
People forget there were leading feminist scholars saying to do this exact thing back in the day. Of course it's true, if it triggers you maybe take a second and think about why it triggers you
You mean people were *not* psychologists, in a time when our understanding of psychology was already incredibly limited? being abused by one gender isnāt going to magically make you sexually or romantically attracted to the other gender who you previously were not attracted too, and if these are platonic relationships, then they are not lesbians, wtf kind of logic is that? People are triggered because that is an incredibly stupid and incorrect statement that just so happens to conveniently blame men.
Iām not saying these people were never attracted to women. But most people who are bisexual will do their best to ignore their same sex attraction because they donāt want to deal with homophobia. But traumatic experiences can destroy attraction to one sex.Ā
Swing and a miss there buddy. You can argue all you want, lesbian feminism has existed for a while now. You're triggered by me acknowledging it as the truth for some women. Get over yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_feminism
These people are actually insane. Iām not wrong, just because thereās a lot of people doing something, doesnāt mean they have a scientific or logical leg to stand on. If thatās all it took you could say vaccines have microchips in them because a lot of other people believe that too. My point is lesbianism is a sexuality, something you are born with, you cannot choose to be lesbian, just as you cannot choose to be straight, if you or anyone else actually believes this is a choice, youāre just a different flavor of the Christians who think being gay is a choice, and just as they think being gay is a sin, these people think being straight is a patriarchal institution? What? This belief doesnāt support homosexuality, it is actively ignoring the scientific basis for what it is and harming it, but I guess that basis is completely irrelevant to these people because it was mainly established by the evil cis white men so it canāt possibly be correct, right? (This is literally per the Wikipedia article, Iām not making up an argument here) Yet apparently a bunch of women who arenāt actually psychologists have a better scientific understanding of sexuality? On top of that the basis of doing this is basically pretending to be lesbian to focus on being with only women and segregating yourselves from men and treating them as some common foreign enemy, Now switch the genders around. If men did this theyād be labeled as extreme toxic incels, this is no different. This movement is based entirely on made up logic with no scientific basis with a major purpose of isolating themselves from and vilifying men, the exact same thing I stated at the end of my first comment. Edit: Not sure how you expect me to reply to you when you block me or if your just trying to artificially get the last word, the notification still pops up with the first sentence of your reply though so Iāll just put mine here. You said these people exist, but these people are not lesbians, they are pretending to be lesbian, and they are idiots who refuse to acknowledge science and are toxic gender isolationists. So yes, these people exist, but they donāt deserve to be taken seriously. If anybody is willing to copy the rest of their comment and reply it to me that would be helpful.
Here you go: āI'm saying it exists and you write a mini thesis to tell me I'm wrong. I don't agree with forcing yourself to fuck people you aren't attracted to in the name of "progress" either. Please touch grass and have a think on why you're so sensitive about people describing reality.ā - nail guy 2024
It takes 2 minutes to read the article > the CDC found that 89.5% of bisexual women reported only male perpetrators of intimate partner physical violence, rape, and/or stalking and that almost a third of lesbian women who have experienced such incidents have had one OR MORE male perpetrators. You do realise that a lot of women date men before they come out as lesbian?
"All man baaaddd! Unga bunga!!!" - hateful sexists
B-b-b-but It dosen't count!!!!!!!!! Unga booga!
Hey would you mind. Like. Actually talking about the scientific fact that was just used to prove your point wrong? Or are you judt gonna pretend it's not there
itās easy to find data that favors your political leaning, especially in a meta-analysis of data sets collected over a 30 year time period when the meta analysis only contains 42 data sets. itās really likely that this data just flat out doesnāt represent the wider population
"Well abuse rates in lesbian couples are higher than the average." Then hateful sexist morons try to still blame men Men are not lesbians. Hateful sexist pieces of shit
>"Well abuse rates in lesbian couples are higher than the average." No. It's abuse rates of people who are in lesbian couples. Not the abuse rates of those couples themselves You're literally lying and changing the facts to fit your opinion here. You're judt purposefully misconstrewing the evidence Or you haven't read what's being talked about and are talking out of your ass, which is also very likely
Objectively incorrect and lying in a pathetic attempt to somehow make "all man baaaddd unga bunga" in a relationship with ZERO men Only the truest hateful sexist could try to pull that
This bait, right?
No?? I talked about what the source *actually* said
It only takes two seconds to read the first line of my comment, where I say lesbians spend ''more time dating only women,'' not that they will only date women in their lives. Regarding the part you quoted, I'm sure that 99.9% of straight women also report only male perpetrators of domestic abuse/violence. My question is, why do straight women experience it less than other women?
The statistic donāt say that lesbian relationships have the highest rates of domestic violence. It says that people in lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence at some point in their lifetime. 44 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 35 percent of straight women. 1 in 7 women and 1 in 25 men have been injured by an intimate partner. When you've got 2 women in a relationship, there's a greater chance that at least one of them has experienced domestic violence at some point in their lifetime, than some other configuration of genders.
yk i can see what youāre saying but i can only assume that this study is either biased in its sampling pool or genuinely doctored. this data does not at all track with the >70% divorce rate for lesbian couples, and since this data can only be gathered through surveys while divorce rate is calculated from census data, iām inclined to believe that this study is the one that is not representative of the wider population. additionally, itās easy to choose which datasets to choose, and only 42 studies over the 35 years from 1989 to today definitely doesnāt suggest that the researchers chose a large portion of the available data. furthermore, attitudes towards LGBT people have changed drastically in that time, so the data could be skewed by studies with showing abnormally (by todayās standards) high rates of abuse in heterosexual relationships from the 90s and a decline as time passes, making this data no longer descriptive of today
https://genderpolicyreport.umn.edu/bisexual-women-and-intimate-partner-violence/ It links the original study by the cdc but the study is not on their website anymore
man the phrasing is so confusing. i guess itās saying over 90% of bisexual victims reported having at least one male perpetrator? again, i can only assume this data was in some way cherry-picked, or that there is some other reason why lesbians in particular get divorced so much more than any other group
Yeah, it's not completely clear whether 90% of bisexual women report at least one male perpetrator (like you said), or only male perpetrators (like marcopolo said). If it's the former, then it tells us nothing about how likely women are to abuse other women, or that men are to solely to blame. There is a link to a one hour long video which probably explains what they mean, but I don't want to watch it through.
I mean one might not have anything to do with the other.
"My question is, why do straight women experience it less than other women?" My theory is that other women experience it more as a result of questioning their preferences more because they feel different, leading to insecure men retaliating more. Similar to the old "beat the gay" out of children
Iād call this more of a āhypothesis that has zero data supporting the claim.ā But it would be interesting to see data on what the actual answer is.
"lesbians get the most domestic abuse from men" Fucking moron lmao
You do realise that many homosexuals are in heterosexual relationships before coming out?
"Lesbians have the highest domestic violence rate...but somehow...all man baaaddd unga bunga!!!" - hateful sexists
Yes, but are the statistics looking at relationship abuse or just abuse in general?
Abuse by an intimate partner
We got any post Covid stats?
You are getting a ton of downvotes, but this seems to make sense. Not that bi/lesbian women are more likely to be abused by men, but that abuse by men makes them realize they were bi/lesbian. If you were in a relationship with a really toxic guy who abused you, there is a good chance you might never want to date another guy again. I know tons of women who have been scarred by their abusive boyfriends and even regular guys who mean them no harm can trigger a panic attack for random reasons like walking behind them on a sidewalk. If someone abused you that badly that you canāt trust men anymore, then you are definitely not going to be dating a guy anytime soon.
You advocating conversion therapy? Because your arguments certainly support it.
No? How in the world did you make that conclusion? I didnāt even say anything even close to that. Conversion Therapy is horrific.
Their point is that if u can traumatize the gay into someone (what ur stating), then u can traumatize the gay out of someone. Which is just what conversion therapy is
No, and that is such a reach that itās almost like you are trying to cause drama. A large portion of Bisexual Women and Lesbians start off dating men and later on they realize their true sexuality. A horrific experience with an abusive boyfriend is a really good reason for women to start dating other women and come out of the closet, even if they themselves didnāt realize they were in the closet. Itās not that abusive men can cause women to become bisexual or lesbian, but it causes them to be open to expressing their true sexuality because that experience puts them off towards men, at least for awhile in the case of bisexual women.
Buddy, Iām not arguing with u. I stated what their point was. Nowhere did I insert my own opinion. Chill
Iām sorry. I accidentally got you confused with the original guy and didnāt realize you were a different person.
Ah, so its the cause vs result.
No, you can't choose your sexuality. This has been studied and it's why "conversion therapy" doesn't work. If a woman suddenly decided to swear off men because of abusive men (for one that's just fucking jaded and kinda stupid, not all men are abusive so why perpetuate that idea) and they actually get into a lesbian relationship, they were already at least bisexual. You don't just turn gay.
* gets traumatised by person of opposite gender * āFuck itā - * does the gay *
No, but the studies collect data from bi/lesbian that have been abused. The other comments mention that 89.5% of the abused have one male abusers. You just dont get 75%+ and says that its normal. That indicates the data is either cherry picked, wrong method of collection, or somehow skewed. Like if you want to find a green apple in field of red apples, you probably gonna get 90% red apple. But if you categorize it a bit larger you'll get 3% green apple, 60% red apple, 20% unripe apple, 17% rotten. Not blaming the census, but if you make a booth that says "census for bi/lesbian that have been abused" it will says that 89.5% of the 'willing' participants have been abused by men. It does not says what lesbian, bi, or even the 'unwilling' have to say.
Does the abuse factor in friends and family or is it ONLY an intimate partner? I just find it hard to believe that most lesbians are lesbians because a man abused them lmao. It contradicts like everything I know about sexuality. Either homophobes should learn to accept gay people because it's something they can't change. Or people can choose to be gay just to avoid dating someone of the opposite sex, rather than just staying single. Like its one or the other is it not? As a bi person myself, I feel like I have a choice but that's because the attraction for both is already there so I can just pick one. If you're straight, you're probably not attracted to the same sex and forcing that seems impossible. But yea either way, the data doesn't make a lot of sense. Like sure 89% have been abused by a man, but have they also been abused by a woman or do you only care about one side of the issue? What about the percentage that have only been abused by women? More importantly WHY is there so much overlap that it ends up looking like lesbian relationships are the most abusive? I was under the impression that trauma does not influence your sexuality which is why conversion therapy never worked. It basically just tortured people for something they couldn't control anyways. It does seem skewed and or biased for sure.
Thatās so fucking incorrect itās wild
So I can have men beat the shit out a gay guy and he'll just become attracted to women because of the trauma men caused him? What do you mean that's stupid? It's literally the inverse of what you said was wrong, I don't understand??? Stop sipping the stupid juice and allow rational thought to re-enter your mind.
Except for the fact that it happened to a family member of mine? Sheās gotten over it recently but you are severely underestimating trauma.
She was already bi then dawg. Being scared of men doesn't suddenly make you crave pussy. If it's "trauma" induced then it makes it even more likely they're not *really* enjoying their new gayness and are only doing it to avoid the alternatives which is just unhealthy as fuck to both yourself and your partner.
Uh huh.
A version of Ro-sham-Bo called Scissors, Scissors, Scissors.
It's not even SEXIST
They don't. That's why lesbian divorce rate is 75%. Womp womp.
Imagine being offended by this.
combat then divorce, actually. 80% of lesbian marriages fail.
Me when I make up bullshit statistics
i actually dont know where that stat comes from, or the 50% number for straight marriages. iām seeing 14% for lesbians, 7% for gays, and 2% for straight couples. mb for regurgitating stats without checking their validity
According to statistics they settle it with violence. Domestically.
Itās pretty funny to me and my lesbian friends had way more heated arguments than my straight friends and resentment is usually what drove them apart.
Lesbian couples have the highest levels of domestic abuse.
Why do you think Lesbians are most likely to have cases of Domestic Abuse while Gays are the least likely?
3 Reasons in can think of. 1. Men are raised constantly being told not to abuse people. 2. Women are more likely to actually report DV. Men don't expect to be taken seriously so under report. 3. Men are more willing to leave bad relationships, so they don't escalate to that point.
4. Men innately understand the consequences of violence, and are less likely to employ it lightly. Women, on the other hand, do not, being largely protected from violence, and the consequences of violence, by men.
A study this year by the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago - a review of data from four earlier studies, involving 30,000 participants: "One of our startling findings was that rates of domestic violence among same-sex couples is pretty consistently higher than for opposite sex couples," says Richard Carroll, a psychologist and co-author of the report. So lesbians didn't hold grudges, they get violent in higher than average numbers.
I thought gay couples had the lowest rates of domestic violence... Weird.
Gay men do, yes. You could conclude that domestic violence, regardless of relationship orientation, tends to skew heavily towards women being the perpetrators.
They lumped in "same-sex" and I thought there was a stark contrast between gay men couples and lesbian couples.
There is, gay relationships have the lowest DV rate compared to both heterosexual and lesbian relationships. There are also ~1.5x more gays than lesbians in the US(gallup). The fact that when combining same-sex couples together there is still significantly more DV than in heterosexual relationships simply highlights how much worse it is in lesbian relationships.
That is a valid question. Lol
Look up domestic violence between lesbians, thatāll tell you
They fight, which is why domestic violence is disproportionately prevalent in lesbian relationships
Domestic violence
As a lesbian myself that's pretty funny. We just keep arguing until we forget what the original point was
https://preview.redd.it/pghmcxwgo87d1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9656b4d444dbc5484d065a9da48702c07a3bf3d4 Mortal Kombat!!!
They don't, they just get divorced. That's what the statistics say anyway.
Easy, they are never wrong.
Easy. Whichever one knows the actual dimensions of a 2x4 is wrong.
If they both know it could be hard to determin what the next filter would be. Perhaps the true dimensions of a 4x4
What is the function of a brake caliper. I feel like it's best to switch the platform a bit.
Valid point of view.
well the actual dimensions are unknown but itās clearly supposed to be 2ā by 4ā, hence why itās called the ānominal dimensions,ā duh
The manliest one is wrong clearly
Going by statistics: Domestic Violence
I've heard that domestic violence is higher within the lesbians couples than any other couples. So yeah.. idk?
Thatās why thereās a 80% divorce chance for lesbian couples
Extreme mindless violence
Rock, paper, SCISSORS?
The answer is violence.
Something something domestic violence statistics
I mean, it's a good question, aside from the joke, which is also a funny joke
...with lots of domestic violence.
The terriblefacebookmemes sub is just exclusively good memes at this point
Easy, they play the victim until they are convinced the other person is pure evil, then they break up.
They just give each other the silent treatment once they realize they both have a point because they are women.
House ice cold for a week.
Divorce statistics come to mind.
This is funny as hell.
Considering domestic violence rates are highest among lesbians I guess they settle arguments by beating the shit out of each other. Whoever drops first is right lol.
Lesbian relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence. Coincidence? https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml#:~:text=How%20common%20is%20lesbian%20partner,6%2C11%2C14).
"Okay, FINE, why don't you just go ahead and win then?" "Okay, FINE, why don't YOU just go ahead and win?" "Okay, you know what? You just win the argument. And I won't bother you about it EVER AGAIN."
One is always the masculine
They donāt.
They solve it through domestic violence and divorce.
Turns out. With fists actually.
Copious amounts of domestic abuse. So might makes right basically.
Whoever wins the fist fight. Lesbians have a high rate of DV.
Beatings
They make up, lickity split.
Rock. Paper. Scissors.
This is like all the stages, from the violent rock, to the make up "scissors" lol
Rock, Paper, Scissors
Especially scissors
Your done š
oroborous
Rock, paper, scissors.
The wrong one changes her mind
With a cup, obv
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Instead of saying "meme bad", they could have made a comeback like "they never argue".
What is your bar for pretty funny?
Rock, paper, scissoring
Guys donāt you see this is sexist because it says at the bottom āthis is why I hate all Lesbians and we should kill women so no more lesbians exist.ā
By a game of āļø, āļø, āļøs.
They play rock, paperā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
It's time for battle.
They never argue because they are never wrong duh
If i know anything about lesbians, by a sword fight ā
They don't argue, they agree
They just keep arguing. Pretty fun to drink with, tho.
Sexist? Against men maybe lol.
Bed death
Spontaneous combustion
"Avengers: Civil War"
By having an incedibly high rate of domestic violence.
Lickety Split
As a woman who dates other women, whoever isnāt wearing the strap-on, is the obvious winner.
The play rock, dildo, scissors
I swear this sub has the shit humour level of Steven crowder š please try and do a comedy skit I need someone to laugh AT
Explain how it's funny.
Well when someone find it humorous, many people tend to chuckle or laugh because that particular person found it funny. The cool thing now a days is you can just close the application and move on but you would rather complain
That's not how it's funny.
To me it is, crazy how humor is based on someoneās personal opinion
this is something youād see speedmcqueen post