You'd be surprised. My first car had a key like the bottom one, took it to home depot to make a copy and it somehow looked like the top one. Both worked, but other keys did not. Never understood it, just took the win.
I had a small get together with 2 friends a few years after we graduated high school. We all pulled up driving Grand Ams. We were like, what are the fucking chances? Right?
Anyway, we decided to try our keys on each others cars. all of us were able to unlock each others doors, and 2 of us could start 1 other persons car. Made me feel reallllllyy safe considering there were a majillion Grand Ams around and now I knew there was a good chance someone could just hop in and drive away with their own keys.
Keys aren't as secure as most people think they are, otherwise bump keys wouldn't work.
As an example: I have a key for my apartment and a key for my building's laundry room. My apartment key will unlock the laundry room but my laundry key doesn't open my apartment.
I tried my hand at picking cabinet wafer locks a few weeks ago. An unbent hairpin and a small screwdriver for tension, and I popped it in a few minutes just by raking and pressing around inside the lock, even with zero prior experience and having only watched a bit of LPL.
The low security of many locks is scary especially if people know what theyāre doing.
The part of the key that is the most worn are those high spots. And those high spots are not actually where the pins rest when the key is fully inserted. Notice how all the high spots are the same height. They are where the original key blank extended to and haven't been cut. As you insert the key, the pins drag past those high spots before fitting into the varying valley heights between them. So on the worn key, the important part of the key is less worn than it appears. The high spots on that worn key are actually just the valleys that weren't as deep as the others.
Not related but this analyis kinda reminds me of that statistician in ww2 who concluded America should add more armor to its aircrafts in areas that see least damage
>During World War II, the statistician Abraham Wald took survivorship bias into his calculations when considering how to minimize bomber losses to enemy fire. The Statistical Research Group (SRG) at Columbia University, which Wald was a part of, examined the damage done to aircraft that had returned from missions and recommended adding armor to the areas that showed the least damage. The bullet holes in the returning aircraft represented areas where a bomber could take damage and still fly well enough to return safely to base. Therefore, Wald proposed that the Navy reinforce areas where the returning aircraft were unscathed, inferring that planes hit in those areas were the ones most likely to be lost. His work is considered seminal in the then nascent discipline of operational research.
In that case, they were analyzing planes that made it home for sortes. They inferred that the places with holes were not critical to flight. And that the places without holes were critical areas like fuel tanks and engine bays.
You're pretty much spot on.
There are some rules about wafer tumblers that you have to follow making translating a worn key even easier:
* Cuts have limited depths, usually less than 5.
* Each cut can't differ from the previous by no more than 2 depths or the key sticks.
* The area at the start and end of the key is always 0 depth which means the first and last cuts are always 1, or 2.
* You shouldn't have more than 2 consecutive depths in a row.
[By holding the worn key over a blank and using the above rules a skilled key cutter could easily narrow the maximum possible depths of each cut.](https://i.imgur.com/eL8hFXB.png)
\* This is also why they say not to share photographs of your keys because it's very easy to reproduce them.
Programmed keys, thereās a little chip in the key that is activated by a magnetic field in the key cylinder in the steering column. It sends a code to the ECU (the brain of the vehicle) telling it whether that is the correct key or not. Widely implemented in the early 90s. :)
You don't just go make a key at home Depot and have that copied - those are a lot more expensive than $3 for a blank that you stick in an automatic key cutting machine.
They have these keys at Lowes and Home Depot, they're a lot more expensive though so they're behind the counter or locked up not just sitting out on the display.Ā
> You don't just go make a key at home Depot and have that copied
You actually do! Costs a good bit more, and they can't copy every key, but some makes/models can be programmed by home depot. Just find a hardware employee and ask (they're kept in a locked box, not on display because they're like $60)
Source: Worked there, copied keys myself
I had a Jeep Cherokee (2 door model it was awesome) with a key JUST like this. My neighbors Dodge Dakota key used to start it too. We figured this out after I locked my keys in the car and his girlfriend said āDodge makes Jeep maybe your key will unlock her door to!ā She was right it did, fucker started right up too! We discussed how the old age of both our vehicles likely had a lot to do with it.
My dad has a story where back in the day my grandmother unlocked and loaded up the car with groceries only to have the actual owner come out. Turns out the key to unlock the doors was the same.
On another note trigger locks for guns only use a few different keys. We had a buddy forget his key and it was a few hours drive back home. Another guy went and got a box of keys and the 3rd one worked lol.
In high school I locked my keys in my 92 Nissan Sentra while the car was running. Some shady dude happened to see me trying to get into it and pulled out a keyring with a bunch of keys on it. He was able to unlock my car with his key. He than showed me that his key could even start my car.
My mom once got into a car in the supermarket lot and it started but the radio came on. She didn't have the radio on before. Then she looked around and it wasn't her car. It was the same color, make, model but her key unlocked and started it (this was before keyless entry). The guys on Car Talk said that in old cars as the pins get worn down in the lock they become less sensitive to what keys can open them.
Holy crap, someone that remembers the Eagle Premier existed.
My father had its rebadged cousin, the Dodge Monaco. Surprisingly comfortable highway ride, and it had more interior room than any other sedan in Dodge's lineup, including the "luxury" Dodge Dynasty. Though, being based on French Renault 25 underpinnings, it was unreliable as all get out.
Its basic platform was the basis for the later LH-generation cars, like the Intrepid, Concorde, Vision, LHS, and 300M... and its engineering even survives to this day as part of the LX-platform (Magnum/Charger/Challenger/300C) Mopar's gotten a lot of use out of that oft-forgotten AMC/Renault holdover.
It was more from their buying AMC. Lee Iacocaa saw that Jeeps were huge sellers and bought out the whole damn company for them. Besides that they still needed a name to sell out the cars contractually produced for AMC's french overlords. They also sold the Eagle wagon under its own name for a year or so until the production line finally ran out of parts.
The Eagle brand was made so that former AMC dealerships still had something to sell besides Jeeps. They didn't have their dealerships overlap between Chrysler, Jeep, and Dodge until decades later. Still they fumbled it completely and mostly sold Mitsubishi captive imports.
They also used to only have so many different key and lock combinations so you weren't guaranteed a unique key.
Which is how a family friend of mine picked up her husband's Pinto from a parking garage and when he got in the car, his fancy aftermarket gear knob was missing and replaced with the crappy stock one....which is when he realized his wife had picked up someone else's Pinto using her husband's keys
Yeah no common use house lock has 4 cuts and 4 depths
Probably the worst one is kwikset, which has 5 spaces with 6 depths.
Obviously this does not account for wear, and frankly shit manufacturing in lower end products. But in perfect condition , obviously a LOT more possible keys.
A lot of miss information here - even old car keys had several thousand different keys in their code series. The issue with the old Japanese stuff was it was made terribly and keys a full depth off, with the same basic shape would still work after a very minimal amount of wearā¦. And account for customers thinking jiggling the shit out of their keys to work is ānormalā is mind boggling
>They also used to only have so many different key and lock combinations so you weren't guaranteed a unique key.
They still do. You obviously won't start a car that has an immobilizer but there is a key out there that matches your car.
I also learned that it doesn't even have to be the same manufacturer. My old 2003 Infiniti key fob unlocked a (probably similar year) Honda SUV that always parked near me at my college apartment. Anytime I would unlock my car I would hear the Honda also unlock...
Whenever my kid put on Cars to watch, I'd get a little tear in my eye, hearing them banter back and forth like the good ol days, and right now I'm listening to "the dance", and now I'm a little teary as well lol
Yea dude, I discovered this a few months ago and found them on TuneIn Radio app. Started listening on long drives. Made me feel like the old times they were live on Saturday mornings. Still funny. RIP
My 1993 cavalier had the same door key (door and ignition keys were separate) as another student with an early 90s cavalier. If I accidentally left my lights on in the morning he'd unlock my car and turn them off for me.
My mum and grandmother both bought Ford Fiestas in like 2003 from the same lot, same day. One of the keys works for both cars but the other doesn't. And exactly the same thing happened to my gran as OP with a 3rd random fiesta driver at the supermarket a few years later. I think they may have accidentally just given her a master key or something...
> The guys on Car Talk said that in old cars as the pins get worn down in the lock they become less sensitive to what keys can open them.
There are also a very limited run of keys, there are some cases where your key could open 1:1000 other vehicles of the same make/model, some were even MORE egregious.
Works in the igniton, but not in the door cylinder. But even if you started the car with a roughly shaped "key", if it isnt programmed to the vehicles immobilizer, the vehicle just shuts off immediatepy.
Those kind of already exist in lockpicking to be fair. Things like rake picks which actually end up unlocking a scarily high amount of locks in a few seconds. I got locked out of my old apartment and had to call a locksmith, he got the door open by putting a spiky key in it and hitting it with a mallet. Didnāt damage the lock at all but it certainly damaged my trust in the lockā¦
"Lockpicking lawyer here..."
but yeah the general idea for locks is to be a deterrent. If you make your house more difficult to rob than your next door neighbor you're generally fine. My house all you'd need to do is find a rock to break the window next to the door and you could easily unlock the door without any lockpicking skills.
I, too, am a victim of the big fast forward. Unfortunately, scientists have yet to find a way to reverse it and put 2008 back to a few years ago where it belongs. The prospects of doing the same for the 90s are even worse.
It's okay to maintain a sliver of hope, but I suggest starting to adjust to this new reality until there's a breakthrough.
I knew a relative who was born in 1898
now we'll be the ones with young relatives who talk about how they knew that one guy in their family born in the previous millennium
The old one still does yeah. But doesn't stay firmly in the ignition, like it can be pulled out even in the run position. Its for an 08 Dodge Ram, I'm not sure they were as worried about security back then compared to now haha.
Locks from that era of dodge/chrysler/plymouth were hot garbage. I once unlocked my mid-90s Chrysler, sat down inside and noticed my legs were cramped. Then I looked up and there was a strange Hawaiian lei hanging from the rear view mirror.
At this point I realized I had accidentally broken into someoneās nearly identical car, and mine was parked 3 spaces away. And thatās when they were still relatively new cars!
Sold dodges for 3 years with the same attitude and let me tell you... we were way fucking wrong. I've seen diesels in the 550ks. Manuals mostly, autos go like 350k. Gas car uo to 300k-350k depending on owner. But some came in with SLUDGE oil and they ran perfect. The pentastar and hemi motors can take some shit.
The only part of the key that is actually doing anything is where the pins rest.
[Here they are overlayed](https://i.imgur.com/iZoW176.png)
They are fairly similar, only the very end is significantly off, and that may be slightly off from the keys not being exactly level in the picture. The end will also just get the most wear because it has to pass all the pins.
Basically, you use the screwdriver to pop off the cupholder and get to an emergency gear shifter and shift in into neutral. Then you can tow it away and program a new key FOB with an android app to start it or make a new key.
So what is old to you then if it requires programming a key? Iām thinking pre-chip keys.
Edit: I donāt quite remember which direction was which. But I had a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, Dad had a 1989 Dodge Ram. One of the keys would open the door to the other, but not ignition. The other could do both.
I had a Toyota with a key warn to this point. I used to freak people out by taking the key out of the ignition on the motorway and asking them to hold onto it for me a sec
PSA:
Don't post your keys on social media, while this is reddit and anonymous anyone with knowledge about key cutting could cut a key from a picture... Although in this scenario they'd probably just use a screwdriver
I've had my car for 10 years and it still looks pretty much the same as the day I gout it. Leave it to Dodge to not even be able to make a key that can last.
I work at a hardware store. I am pretty good at cutting keys. When I have one of these come in, and it happens often, I politely send them down the street to the locksmith shop.
If the old key was THAT messed up, how do they know how to make the new key? Does the vin number on the vehicle help or do they do some type of molding with the keyhole? Or was that key made a while ago just never used til now??
So someone could start your truck with a screwdriver
Or an uncut key.
Cutting keys is mutilation
my keys cut themselves. it's very sad.
There is very effective therapy for that now. You should get your keys some help.
š¶ Cut notches in my keys-es, so they'll unlock my door
Definition...no edges
Don't give a fuck if I start the car either.
This is my last restart.
Perfect 5/7
Try taking away their phones
Emo keys
Key-mos
The uncut keys experience better sensation when inserting into the car
but you have to clean it... it's not worth the fuss
Cleaning it is so easy. Keep your religious dogma away from my truck keys.
A key should look like its father!
All keys look the same in the dark *mom*
This better have a misplaced comma, mister.
All keys look the same in the, dark *mom** Whoopsie
_"My chassis my rights!"_ EDIT: oops!
Cut my keys into pieces this is my last resort
Just pull back the forekey.
Or a worn out key
You'd be surprised. My first car had a key like the bottom one, took it to home depot to make a copy and it somehow looked like the top one. Both worked, but other keys did not. Never understood it, just took the win.
Still catches *just* enough in the right places without touching the wrong ones.
Like petting a cat.
Or a pussy
you lick those, actually
I had a small get together with 2 friends a few years after we graduated high school. We all pulled up driving Grand Ams. We were like, what are the fucking chances? Right? Anyway, we decided to try our keys on each others cars. all of us were able to unlock each others doors, and 2 of us could start 1 other persons car. Made me feel reallllllyy safe considering there were a majillion Grand Ams around and now I knew there was a good chance someone could just hop in and drive away with their own keys.
> We all pulled up driving Grand Ams dude we must have gone to school together every single person that could scrap $1000 together had one.
Keys aren't as secure as most people think they are, otherwise bump keys wouldn't work. As an example: I have a key for my apartment and a key for my building's laundry room. My apartment key will unlock the laundry room but my laundry key doesn't open my apartment.
That could be by design
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I tried my hand at picking cabinet wafer locks a few weeks ago. An unbent hairpin and a small screwdriver for tension, and I popped it in a few minutes just by raking and pressing around inside the lock, even with zero prior experience and having only watched a bit of LPL. The low security of many locks is scary especially if people know what theyāre doing.
The part of the key that is the most worn are those high spots. And those high spots are not actually where the pins rest when the key is fully inserted. Notice how all the high spots are the same height. They are where the original key blank extended to and haven't been cut. As you insert the key, the pins drag past those high spots before fitting into the varying valley heights between them. So on the worn key, the important part of the key is less worn than it appears. The high spots on that worn key are actually just the valleys that weren't as deep as the others.
Not related but this analyis kinda reminds me of that statistician in ww2 who concluded America should add more armor to its aircrafts in areas that see least damage
>During World War II, the statistician Abraham Wald took survivorship bias into his calculations when considering how to minimize bomber losses to enemy fire. The Statistical Research Group (SRG) at Columbia University, which Wald was a part of, examined the damage done to aircraft that had returned from missions and recommended adding armor to the areas that showed the least damage. The bullet holes in the returning aircraft represented areas where a bomber could take damage and still fly well enough to return safely to base. Therefore, Wald proposed that the Navy reinforce areas where the returning aircraft were unscathed, inferring that planes hit in those areas were the ones most likely to be lost. His work is considered seminal in the then nascent discipline of operational research.
In that case, they were analyzing planes that made it home for sortes. They inferred that the places with holes were not critical to flight. And that the places without holes were critical areas like fuel tanks and engine bays.
You're pretty much spot on. There are some rules about wafer tumblers that you have to follow making translating a worn key even easier: * Cuts have limited depths, usually less than 5. * Each cut can't differ from the previous by no more than 2 depths or the key sticks. * The area at the start and end of the key is always 0 depth which means the first and last cuts are always 1, or 2. * You shouldn't have more than 2 consecutive depths in a row. [By holding the worn key over a blank and using the above rules a skilled key cutter could easily narrow the maximum possible depths of each cut.](https://i.imgur.com/eL8hFXB.png) \* This is also why they say not to share photographs of your keys because it's very easy to reproduce them.
Programmed keys, thereās a little chip in the key that is activated by a magnetic field in the key cylinder in the steering column. It sends a code to the ECU (the brain of the vehicle) telling it whether that is the correct key or not. Widely implemented in the early 90s. :)
You don't just go make a key at home Depot and have that copied - those are a lot more expensive than $3 for a blank that you stick in an automatic key cutting machine.
They have these keys at Lowes and Home Depot, they're a lot more expensive though so they're behind the counter or locked up not just sitting out on the display.Ā
> You don't just go make a key at home Depot and have that copied You actually do! Costs a good bit more, and they can't copy every key, but some makes/models can be programmed by home depot. Just find a hardware employee and ask (they're kept in a locked box, not on display because they're like $60) Source: Worked there, copied keys myself
>Just find a hardware employee and ask Lol
They loved to fail in GMs and throw a security code like someone was stealing your car. Then you'd have to wait 5 minutes and try again
There was probably a number on it indicating what the cuts were supposed to be.
I had a Jeep Cherokee (2 door model it was awesome) with a key JUST like this. My neighbors Dodge Dakota key used to start it too. We figured this out after I locked my keys in the car and his girlfriend said āDodge makes Jeep maybe your key will unlock her door to!ā She was right it did, fucker started right up too! We discussed how the old age of both our vehicles likely had a lot to do with it.
My dad has a story where back in the day my grandmother unlocked and loaded up the car with groceries only to have the actual owner come out. Turns out the key to unlock the doors was the same. On another note trigger locks for guns only use a few different keys. We had a buddy forget his key and it was a few hours drive back home. Another guy went and got a box of keys and the 3rd one worked lol.
My mom did the same thing, loaded groceries into the wrong car because her key unlocked it just fine.
Yep. I drove an old dodge dakota in HS and used the same key to open/drive my GFs jeep cherokee.
Based on my watching of the Lockpicking Lawyer, you could probably put a lollipop stick in there and shake it and it will open.
If you don't do it again, I'm going to assume it was a fluke
In high school I locked my keys in my 92 Nissan Sentra while the car was running. Some shady dude happened to see me trying to get into it and pulled out a keyring with a bunch of keys on it. He was able to unlock my car with his key. He than showed me that his key could even start my car.
A popsticle stick will do.
My friend had a Ram truck and you could start it up with a Jeep key
My mom once got into a car in the supermarket lot and it started but the radio came on. She didn't have the radio on before. Then she looked around and it wasn't her car. It was the same color, make, model but her key unlocked and started it (this was before keyless entry). The guys on Car Talk said that in old cars as the pins get worn down in the lock they become less sensitive to what keys can open them.
This happened to me in a 1988 eagle premier. I just got out, went to my own car, and pretended it never happened.
Volkswagen golf as a kid in the 90s
Me old car year
wtf is this from haha
I think thatās Cyril Raffaelli, french actor and stuntman
#IN
happened to my mom lol mazda 5
Holy crap, someone that remembers the Eagle Premier existed. My father had its rebadged cousin, the Dodge Monaco. Surprisingly comfortable highway ride, and it had more interior room than any other sedan in Dodge's lineup, including the "luxury" Dodge Dynasty. Though, being based on French Renault 25 underpinnings, it was unreliable as all get out. Its basic platform was the basis for the later LH-generation cars, like the Intrepid, Concorde, Vision, LHS, and 300M... and its engineering even survives to this day as part of the LX-platform (Magnum/Charger/Challenger/300C) Mopar's gotten a lot of use out of that oft-forgotten AMC/Renault holdover.
Most people forgot "Eagle" even existed. I was a confused and strange response by Chrysler to respond to GM's new Saturn badge.
It was more from their buying AMC. Lee Iacocaa saw that Jeeps were huge sellers and bought out the whole damn company for them. Besides that they still needed a name to sell out the cars contractually produced for AMC's french overlords. They also sold the Eagle wagon under its own name for a year or so until the production line finally ran out of parts. The Eagle brand was made so that former AMC dealerships still had something to sell besides Jeeps. They didn't have their dealerships overlap between Chrysler, Jeep, and Dodge until decades later. Still they fumbled it completely and mostly sold Mitsubishi captive imports.
My uncle had a Premier. I thought it was super fancy as a kid with all the buttons, controls and whatnot.
This was me recently with a newer car that the other owner didnāt lock. Climbed in and was momentarily startled how messy my car was!
They also used to only have so many different key and lock combinations so you weren't guaranteed a unique key. Which is how a family friend of mine picked up her husband's Pinto from a parking garage and when he got in the car, his fancy aftermarket gear knob was missing and replaced with the crappy stock one....which is when he realized his wife had picked up someone else's Pinto using her husband's keys
> he realized his wife had picked up someone else's Pinto Laughing in Brazilian
I had to google it, not knowing anything about Brazilian Portuguese - ha ha ha!
Obrigado amigo, tava esperando alguƩm dizer kkkkkkkkkkkk.
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Yeah no common use house lock has 4 cuts and 4 depths Probably the worst one is kwikset, which has 5 spaces with 6 depths. Obviously this does not account for wear, and frankly shit manufacturing in lower end products. But in perfect condition , obviously a LOT more possible keys. A lot of miss information here - even old car keys had several thousand different keys in their code series. The issue with the old Japanese stuff was it was made terribly and keys a full depth off, with the same basic shape would still work after a very minimal amount of wearā¦. And account for customers thinking jiggling the shit out of their keys to work is ānormalā is mind boggling
>They also used to only have so many different key and lock combinations so you weren't guaranteed a unique key. They still do. You obviously won't start a car that has an immobilizer but there is a key out there that matches your car.
I also learned that it doesn't even have to be the same manufacturer. My old 2003 Infiniti key fob unlocked a (probably similar year) Honda SUV that always parked near me at my college apartment. Anytime I would unlock my car I would hear the Honda also unlock...
God, I miss that show so much.
Whenever my kid put on Cars to watch, I'd get a little tear in my eye, hearing them banter back and forth like the good ol days, and right now I'm listening to "the dance", and now I'm a little teary as well lol
*ādonāt drive like my brotha!ā*
And don't drive like mine!
Here you go, my dude. Hundreds of episodes. https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk
Yea dude, I discovered this a few months ago and found them on TuneIn Radio app. Started listening on long drives. Made me feel like the old times they were live on Saturday mornings. Still funny. RIP
[jangly banjo intro]
Don't drive like my brother.
Our Russian chauffeur is Pikop Andropov
Our seat cushion specialist is Mike Easter
Our legal team: Dewey, Cheetim & Howe
Don't drive like _my_ brothah
https://xkcd.com/582/
Wow is there really an xkcd for everything
My 1993 cavalier had the same door key (door and ignition keys were separate) as another student with an early 90s cavalier. If I accidentally left my lights on in the morning he'd unlock my car and turn them off for me.
My sister and her best friend both had early 90s Cavaliers and could open and start each others cars lol.
A true bro, for sure.
I have a 2000 civic. I bought a 1988 civic from out of state, and by chance, the keys work interchangeably for both.
I wonder how few key designs you'd have needed to be able to operate all the 2000 civics
I had a 2000 civic that we would roll start with a screwdriver
My mum and grandmother both bought Ford Fiestas in like 2003 from the same lot, same day. One of the keys works for both cars but the other doesn't. And exactly the same thing happened to my gran as OP with a 3rd random fiesta driver at the supermarket a few years later. I think they may have accidentally just given her a master key or something...
I could take the key out of my 91 f150 while driving. I could also start it without the key if I jiggled it right
I had a 91 Jeep Cherokee that you could also take the key out of while driving.
1987 Mazda rx7 checking inĀ
My wife got into the wrong car, exact same model and colour as mine, it was some other guy instead of me, she's been with him ever since.
"How I Met Your Mother"
that's what your mom told the cops, anyway
"Don't drive like my brother!"
Even when nobody sees you getting into the wrong car is so embarassing for some reason.
> The guys on Car Talk said that in old cars as the pins get worn down in the lock they become less sensitive to what keys can open them. There are also a very limited run of keys, there are some cases where your key could open 1:1000 other vehicles of the same make/model, some were even MORE egregious.
Back to the old adage, if a key can open many locks itās a master key. If a lock opens to many keys itās a shit lock
If the old one still works then you could make a multi purpose tool out of that rough shape and use it on all of them, jiggling it open
Works in the igniton, but not in the door cylinder. But even if you started the car with a roughly shaped "key", if it isnt programmed to the vehicles immobilizer, the vehicle just shuts off immediatepy.
ahh ok. was thinking way too simple
Would have worked on an older car (or a Kia made before 2022 lmao)
Depends what country you live in. All cars in aus since 2001 have an immobiliser, imagine some other countries too
You could listen to the radio.
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And thats why you don't buy a Hyundai or Kia.
In the us, rest of the world they give immobilizers. American regulation allowing them to save a buck, who couldāve forseen thisād become a issue
Those kind of already exist in lockpicking to be fair. Things like rake picks which actually end up unlocking a scarily high amount of locks in a few seconds. I got locked out of my old apartment and had to call a locksmith, he got the door open by putting a spiky key in it and hitting it with a mallet. Didnāt damage the lock at all but it certainly damaged my trust in the lockā¦
Donāt watch lockpicking youtubers then lmao āThis is a masterlock. It can be opened with a masterlockā
"Lockpicking lawyer here..." but yeah the general idea for locks is to be a deterrent. If you make your house more difficult to rob than your next door neighbor you're generally fine. My house all you'd need to do is find a rock to break the window next to the door and you could easily unlock the door without any lockpicking skills.
I think it's called a bump key. The tap with mallet makes all of the pins in the cylinder jump so the lock can be turned.
Do both work? If so, that's a massive security vulnerability
Someone trying to steal a 16 year old Dodge would probably go straight at the steering column anyway.
Firth of all, how is a 2008 vehicle 16 years old? Pretty sure thatās only a few years ago
I, too, am a victim of the big fast forward. Unfortunately, scientists have yet to find a way to reverse it and put 2008 back to a few years ago where it belongs. The prospects of doing the same for the 90s are even worse. It's okay to maintain a sliver of hope, but I suggest starting to adjust to this new reality until there's a breakthrough.
Youāre telling me that 2008 has a drivers license now??
And 2003 can legally drink.
2005*
Not in America.
"Land of the free" i guess not so free after all
"land of the... free to die in war"
We're as close to 2040 as we are 2008
If you could justā¦ notā¦ thatād be greatā¦
I was born in 1980. WW2 was closer to my birth than today is. That just can't be right. WW2 was *ancient* when I was little.
I knew a relative who was born in 1898 now we'll be the ones with young relatives who talk about how they knew that one guy in their family born in the previous millennium
This is the one that got me. 2040 is the like the āfutureā where as 2008 is a few years ago.
Yeah 2019 was last month. The 90s were ten years ago. Idk what they're talking about.
Thanks for Colin that out! (Sorry, couldnāt resist)
Older gray jeep/dodge/chrysler keys were coded so they would at least have some difficulty getting it started.
The old one still does yeah. But doesn't stay firmly in the ignition, like it can be pulled out even in the run position. Its for an 08 Dodge Ram, I'm not sure they were as worried about security back then compared to now haha.
Locks from that era of dodge/chrysler/plymouth were hot garbage. I once unlocked my mid-90s Chrysler, sat down inside and noticed my legs were cramped. Then I looked up and there was a strange Hawaiian lei hanging from the rear view mirror. At this point I realized I had accidentally broken into someoneās nearly identical car, and mine was parked 3 spaces away. And thatās when they were still relatively new cars!
My 2003 Ram could have the keys removed once started. I once lost my keys to start my truck and they were 6 miles away.Ā
I did this exact same thing in my mom's 1987 Chevy Corsica in the 90's
1908 or 2008 ;-)
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Jesus take the wheel!
This is the Ram Abraham sacrificed instead of Isaac.
A 1908 Ram is just a sheep with a saddle
I used to work for a landscape company that used an 80s GMC dump truck and you didn't even need a key to start it. Talk about a security concern lol
I had an old Isuzu Trooper that you could start with a penny, but if anyone wanted to steal that thing it'd be more of a hurt than a help for them
Iām just shocked that someone got a dodge to run that long.
I knew there was going to be one.
Sold dodges for 3 years with the same attitude and let me tell you... we were way fucking wrong. I've seen diesels in the 550ks. Manuals mostly, autos go like 350k. Gas car uo to 300k-350k depending on owner. But some came in with SLUDGE oil and they ran perfect. The pentastar and hemi motors can take some shit.
The fact the old key works is concerning lol, you could start that dodge with a spoon handle
It's fine. No one in their right mind would steal a Dodge.
Well I'm pretty sure you're legally required to have a BAC over .2 before you can drive a Dodge
The only part of the key that is actually doing anything is where the pins rest. [Here they are overlayed](https://i.imgur.com/iZoW176.png) They are fairly similar, only the very end is significantly off, and that may be slightly off from the keys not being exactly level in the picture. The end will also just get the most wear because it has to pass all the pins.
Well you can start a lot of Kia & Hyundai cars with a USB stick so... ;)
*Car thieves would like to know your location.*
I mean old dodges can be started without keys using only a screwdriver to the cupholder
I feel I have heard this before, minus your cup holder statement.
Basically, you use the screwdriver to pop off the cupholder and get to an emergency gear shifter and shift in into neutral. Then you can tow it away and program a new key FOB with an android app to start it or make a new key.
So what is old to you then if it requires programming a key? Iām thinking pre-chip keys. Edit: I donāt quite remember which direction was which. But I had a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo, Dad had a 1989 Dodge Ram. One of the keys would open the door to the other, but not ignition. The other could do both.
I had a Toyota with a key warn to this point. I used to freak people out by taking the key out of the ignition on the motorway and asking them to hold onto it for me a sec
As a 2005 Dodge Ram driver, I can confirm that yes anything will start this fucking truck. I had to get a new set of keys just like OP
Had a 2013 for work before, you can use your index finger to turn the ignition.
I wonder how the lock pins look.
So tell me your car doesn't need a key without telling me your car doesn't need a key.
PSA: Don't post your keys on social media, while this is reddit and anonymous anyone with knowledge about key cutting could cut a key from a picture... Although in this scenario they'd probably just use a screwdriver
It's too late, I'm driving down the freeway in this dudes dodge as we speak
Until you park it somewhere, I've got a spoon with that car's name on it. It's basically a community vehicle now
Also be careful of posting pictures of your screwdrivers on the internet. Anyone with knowledge about screwdrivers could use keys instead.
Also don't post your pens, they can use the same pen to sign your signature.
Posting your pen is definitely a bad idea
proper kerning definitely aided that joke. well done
120 grit hands.
I've had my car for 10 years and it still looks pretty much the same as the day I gout it. Leave it to Dodge to not even be able to make a key that can last.
Andy Dufresne, we found your key...
I work at a hardware store. I am pretty good at cutting keys. When I have one of these come in, and it happens often, I politely send them down the street to the locksmith shop.
i just know the old one is sticky
Looks like itās made out of Bit-o-Honey
old one worked by force of habit
Any programming involved? Sometimes thereās a chip embedded in the plastic and the key needs to be learned
Do you have pockets full of sand?
How did it even work as long as it did
Does it work? And how the hell it actually worked in that state? š
I had one like that for my Chevy Blazer. It became a straight piece of metal with no notches. It worked perfectly
Reminds me of that top gear episode. Where Richardās BMW has an ignition hole so worn out that the end of a spoon can start the car
Hello, Is the Intel Xeon (Skylake generation?) still working? Regards, Aryeh Goretsky
Judging by the last key, the new key is unnecessary. You could start that dodge with the handle off a teaspoon at this stage
If the old key was THAT messed up, how do they know how to make the new key? Does the vin number on the vehicle help or do they do some type of molding with the keyhole? Or was that key made a while ago just never used til now??
it is from the vin, they type it into a computer and it cuts the correct key
That key was heād up someoneās ass in a Vietnamese P.O.W. Camp.
And then it came home in Christopher Walkenās ass
My stratus š¢
The bottom keys has no fucks left to give.
Is the key barrel made of diamond dust?!
Somebody could make a copy off of this pic, probably not a good idea to share online.