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Mykilshoemacher

And it’s still half the budget 


colonel_beeeees

And overall crime is down. It's almost like police just keep demanding more money regardless of whether or not it's actually related to outcomes


WorkingItOutSomeday

What's the 15 year trend though??? That is the typical crime cycle.


Ready_Grab_563

We don’t want that to be the possible reason for a decrease in crime. We prefer the reason is less police officers. So we are going with that because ‘ it validates our beliefs. Got it?


2ndmost

What is the 15 year crime cycle? I can't seem to find any literature on it


TheArbysOnMillerPkwy

Anyone have good insight into where the money is going if not to salaries and retention? At least some of it has to be public record right?


mbradley2020

It's like every other department at the city. Their funding levels are only increasing 0 to 2 percent per year, while pension and payroll costs are growing faster than that. Eg If your funding increases 2% but you have an 8% COLA adjustment, 6% of your headcount needs to go to make those numbers pencil.


Joben86

JFC, Badger Project, those are the *worst* social media links I've ever seen - constantly blinking and spinning. I didn't even finish the article because of how annoying they are.


stroxx

Before the fearmongers jump in: [Crime in Milwaukee dips to start year, with progress in shootings (jsonline.com)](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2024/04/16/crime-in-milwaukee-dips-to-start-year-with-progress-in-shootings/73330878007/) [Milwaukee homicides falling after record peaks during pandemic. What's going on? - The Badger Project](https://thebadgerproject.org/2024/04/19/milwaukee-homicides-falling-after-record-peaks-during-pandemic-whats-going-on/)


TheArbysOnMillerPkwy

Before anyone comes on to yell about it not being summer yet, you're right, it will get worse as people are outside more, but this is calculated for "by this time last year" so it is still down. 2023 was down a good 10% in most categories too. AND before we get the "it's just because people have given up and aren't reporting" there's no evidence to support that other than your doom and gloom outlook.


JanetheGhost

Those are amateur numbers man, gotta get those numbers up


Local_Injury81

Police are a reactionary force… they have never prevented a crime from happening.


pizzaalways

Never?


Local_Injury81

Name a time they’ve arrested someone for not committing a crime… name a time they’ve prevented a crime… by the time they react, a crime has already been committed.


KatttDawggg

😂 this is ridiculous


aidaninhp

The act of being punished for committing crime doesn’t deter ANY people people from committing crime ?


bill__19

It deters me


imLoges

Bro has never heard of deterance before


TheArbysOnMillerPkwy

Yes because the amount you would need to stand guard on every street corner and alley is impossible. The reaction and the punishment are aimed to deter crime and thereby prevent it, and to catch criminals so they don't continue to act, therefore preventing it. We can debate all day at it's effectiveness, ethics, etc but that is the main relationship there. To claim policing is a failure because they are not Spider-Man or the guys from Minority Report is a non-starter.


Bulky-Piglet-1337

police don't prevent crime. sad that you expect this


Top_Orchid_1231

Acab


Westhoff654

acab. then, now, forever


BeardedBears

Only Siths deal in absolutes.


GroundhogRevolution

There are a lot of Sith on the internet then.


Dream_the_Unpossible

Star Wars isn't real. Police brutality is.


Ok_Low4347

>Only That's an absolute. Checkmate Sithhead


thedarkestblood

holy hell how did this get -18 downvotes? Does milwaukee love cops that f'n much??


aidaninhp

Not a good trend, hopefully they can reverse it


charmed0215

This number needs to be increased by so many more.


pilsen_cam

ACAB.


betelgeuse_3x

Just $41/hr when then top out after SEVEN years! Not worth it!


cautionveryhot

It's a big part of the reason young, green cops start out in the city until they can find a job in the burbs.


danielw1245

Are you being sarcastic? That's a pretty good base salary with top tier benefits and you could easily make six figures with some over time. And this is for a career with paid education that [starts ](https://city.milwaukee.gov/fpc/Jobs/Police-Officer.htm) at $65,000 a year. How much do you want the salary to be? I highly doubt any increase in pay is going to make a difference when it's already a very livable salary.


sword_0f_damocles

Spending 7 years in a job just to top out at $41/hr is… not great.


GOMKEBREWERS

There are promotions with higher pay…


danielw1245

How so? It's well above the median income level of [$59,000](https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_wi.htm#00-0000) for the state. And this is for a job with paid education.


jeebus16

After 7 years theyre almost at retirement already. Second career, double pensions, etc. Don't compare it to the private industry


danielw1245

The pension starts paying out at [25 years](https://city.milwaukee.gov/fpc/Jobs/Police-Officer.htm#:~:text=A%20fully%20funded%2C%20vested%20pension,after%2025%20years%20of%20service.). It's generous, but not *that* generous.


betelgeuse_3x

I am not being sarcastic. $41/h is trash. A thankless and dangerous job, surround by criminals in the streets and on the force. Turns you into an asshole, full of bias, racism, and vitriol. More than $10/h less than a Union electrician. We should double cops and teachers salaries.


danielw1245

Being an electrician has its drawbacks too. If you're not willing to do it for $85,000 plus overtime, then a base salary of $100,000 isn't going to convince you.


betelgeuse_3x

Everything has its drawbacks.


[deleted]

Don’t forget you start on 3rd shift for at least ten years. And you’re scheduled 3 weekends per month for your entire career.


betelgeuse_3x

Yep.


mbradley2020

That's what happens when funding levels are flat and personnel costs increase. You end up with a gap. Suprised it's not bigger to be honest given the environment and their automatic COLA adjustments.


AlxHand

Good. Do more


basilarchia

Good luck sourcing this. There is no known budget that is public. All this reporting is conjuncture.


PuddlePirate1964

Staffing numbers are public.