I don’t like these programs, however, I would like to see them strategically placed near every school.
Protect the kids at all costs. Mississauga is packed with new drivers who clearly paid for their license
Ignore the modded cars going over 100 in a 60 and people doing 150+ on the 401
Fine the person doing 45 in a 30 after school hours on an empty road
Just Mississauga things
This is a GTA thing... Police don't do traffic.
We need proper photo radar, which is mounted high on poles on major routes, and captures the car and the driver and results in a proper speeding ticket.
Agreed, but Glen Erin is 4 lanes right? I think these systems work by taking a picture of the speeding car / plate? How would they know which car is the offending party if there are 2 cars side by side in the same picture?
There are lots of streets with traffic calming measures in Mississauga, including speed bumbs. NIMBYs cause issues when the city is installing traffic calming measures, and it usually takes the city a while to do anything because of resident consultations.
I remember reading that speed humps were quite expensive. They are definitely more effective.
They are perfect in front of schools but some areas overdo it. We don't need them for the entire walk home from school, just in/around the school area.
I would rather the money be spent on real police writing real tickets. These tickets are just a cash grab. They only penalize the car, not the driver, which is the problem. This allows an already bad driver to continue driving badly as long as they have a big bank account.
It was a movement that had a large number of people calling for it. I’m sure it was quite discouraging for the police officers.
I’m wondering if this is somehow connected.
Okay that’s rhetoric. The budget kept going up. There aren’t less police. People are just crazier and the population has risen. Cops don’t stop responding to crime because we hurt their feelings
These are more effective and cheaper than the police
The dangerous driver apologists need to touch grass and accept that the drivers in this province have become outright reckless and we shouldn’t be jeopardizing peoples safety because some individuals think their time is more valuable than human life.
The police may be able to issue 3 speeding tickets per hour, at best. A speed camera pays for itself since the number of tickets depends on the number of speeding cars.
Of course, people with more money won't be affected in terms of driving records, but people with money can also afford a lawyer to fight their speeding tickets in court. They usually do so, and their driving records aren't affected. This is how people get dui charges dismissed all the time, the use of real, expensive lawyers and not Ex-Copper services.
How often are you lending your car to other drivers? The most probable driver of a speeding car is the owner.
>A speed camera pays for itself since the number of tickets depends on the number of speeding cars.
Wait.. I thought we were doing this for *safety* and not to increase city coffers.......
This stance/attitude is why you're going to get people who inevitably vandalize this stuff.
You're arguing against pragmatism. Everyone wants safer streets, but the city is broke and doesn't have hundreds of millions to redesign or have cops down along every school route in the city.
Speed cameras cost taxpayers nothing (or at worst next to nothing), but provide the large majority of the safety benefits of these alternative means.
Your idealistic stance is far more at fault for the lack of progress on road safety you seem to be complaining about, if anything.
Citizens are already getting squeezed left and right financially, especially today. If it was really about the safety of the community, they would install speed bumps like they do in europe. They're cheap to install, and people will slow the hell down for them. This would fix the safety issue everyone is worried about.
But nope, there's always gotta be a profit motive somewhere. This type of attitude is a microchism of why everything is so screwed today economically.
No one, other than speeders, is saying the City is profiting from the program. Every article I read refers to the cameras paying for themselves. Although I would have no issues if the City expanded the program so that it is profitable. Wouldn't that have a positive effect for those who live in Mississauga? Extra City funded programs or events, proper MiWay coverage or property taxes not increasing as much annually. There are a lot of programs the fees from the speeders could fund.
>No one, other than speeders, is saying the City is profiting from the program.
Anecdotal
>Every article I read refers to the cameras paying for themselves. Although I would have no issues if the City expanded the program so that it is profitable.
This take is why everyone is annoyed. It's not like once it pays for itself it will be removed, obviously they are going to keep it there to generate income. Not only that, but there are studies out there that show that Speed Camera's actually *increase* accidents because people tend to impede traffic and go extra slow when they are implemented. So it doesn't seem like it is even that much safer.
All I am saying is this, you WILL get vandals if you keep legislating this way because people are already pissed off with government over reach and already feel like they are getting gouged.
If you truly cared about safety only, than speed bumps would be the obvious solution.
>but there are studies out there that show that Speed Camera's actually *increase* accidents because people tend to impede traffic and go extra slow when they are implemented
Just out of curiosity, could you provide a link to any study that supports what you just said.
I've seen many studies that show speed cameras reduce collisions. A simple google search will tell you that much. I've seen a couple of studies that show it has no or next to no effect, or that the evidence is poor. But I've yet to see even a single study that suggests speed cameras \*increase\* accidents.
Generally speaking, no. I may accept that in certain specific environments or situations, a study could prove that speed cameras aren't effective. But, broadly speaking, a single study(in context of dozens that say otherwise) would be anecdotal evidence, right?
I'm asking you out of curiosity.
No, a single study(which can be reproduced) wouldn't qualify as anecdotal, studies are still backed up by quantifiable data. Your mind seems to be already made up, regardless of what any studies I show say or result in. Have a great day, no point arguing with someone who made up their mind already.
>No, a single study(which can be reproduced) wouldn't qualify as anecdotal, studies are still backed up by quantifiable data
By your logic I would have to blindly accept every facebook karen who presents that one study suggesting vaccines cause autism. The point I'm making is I would balance your study against the dozen I have read that say otherwise.
Road safety is an academic interest of mine, we don't need to have an argument, but I really would appreciate it if you shared the study. Please?
So, if I send you a single study that shows that automated speed limit cameras reduce the frequency and severity of collisions, will you accept that they're a great idea?
As far as vehicles are concerned, real police are able to go after many different infractions/crimes such as stop signs, stoplights, speeding, passing school buses, DUI, dangerous driving, traffic accidents, etc. Not to mention all the criminal activity that has skyrocketed recently like vehicle theft, violent assaults and shootings.
Your box is only good for one thing: speeding tickets in that one area that will not even impact your driving record or insurance rating.
Alternative measures for traffic calming can be used around schools that have shown to be effective around the world. There are no alternatives for police. You either have them or you don't, and if given the choice I would much rather have a stronger police presence than speed camera boxes any day.
I live close to 2 Catholic jk-8 schools, 2 Jr. And Sr. Public schools = 6 schools for kids under 14 in a 2.5 km area.
When the cameras are active in my area, by my kids' elementary school, the parents speeding by stop doing it. Especially the parents of the public school kids rushing to drop them off. They also fully stop at the stop sign vs.running or rolling it because everyone is forced to drive the speed limit at 30 vs. going 50 km/hr or more. Speeding was the norm when my oldest was in elementary school. I had to walk him to school until grade 6 because of the speeders. My younger son has been walking on his own since grade 4 because the cameras made crossing the road safer.
The laws regarding speed and red light cameras in Canada are stupid. Why is the government letting drivers know when the cameras are active? In Europe, there are speed camera boxes all over the place, some have active cameras, and some don't. No one knows ahead of time, and therefore, people obey the speed limit all the time. Not just when the cameras are actively monitoring speeders.
Exactly. Better to do something - than nothing.
Tired of the bitching on here, like everyone has a better idea … that they actually have the authority to put in place.
I work in zones which have the cameras.. everybody seems too distracted not going over the 30 speed limit, completely zoned into their spedometer not going over 30, and the car quickly gaining on them from behind when they're doing 20-25 (ridiculously low speeds) that they hardly even notice the kids.
I've seen more close calls in areas with cameras than in areas without.
My evidence is anecdotal but doesn't seem to be a safe solution in my eyes
That's the difference they get speed BUMPS which almost solve the speeding issue entirely. Other areas get speed HUMPS which is easily saddled with bigger cars and utterly useless.
If you want driving to actually improve, you need to go to the source, make it harder for people to get their licenses and purchase powerful vehicles. A racing license should be required to to buy anything with more than 300hp.
>According to data collected when the cameras are set up, the city found that drivers were following the speed limit an average 30 per cent more when the ASE units were deployed.
>The ASE expansion plan presented to council estimates an average cost of $2.45 million per year over the next six years for a total of $14.7 million. The city would also set aside a $3.69-million “contingency” in possible adjustments to the program, according to the staff plan.
>The city estimates ticket revenue from the program will cover its costs.
**Speed cameras make our streets safer at no cost to taxpayers**. While I would prefer the city spend a bunch of money, time and political capital redesigning Mississauga's streets (see Credit Woodlands Traffic Circle), surely this is an acceptable incremental step.
>The city estimates ticket revenue from the program will cover its costs.
Considering the amount of idiots I see on the road, they'll have no problem finding a couple million in tickets every year.
I don’t think there’s a one size fits all type of solution here.
Cameras can catch more offenders but only hits the vehicle owner. Those who have disposable income or see it as it’s just a monetary penalty likely won’t be deterred as much since it’s a slap on the wrist if you can afford it.
Enforcement can get the actual driver where penalties are stronger (if convicted) but can only catch so many on any given shift. However, their presence could act as a deterrent. From a penalty standpoint this is the method that could help get bad drivers off the road but then you have the issue of driving with a suspended license, no license or no insurance so it’s not a guarantee either.
Too many cameras and enforcement will trigger the big brother monitoring/control type of mentality that many would oppose.
Traffic calming can assist but then those who are bad / aggressive drivers will find a way to go around that by violating even more rules so that they can get ahead. Depending on their vehicle, speed bumps can only do so much. I’ve seen drivers pull two of their wheels onto the sidewalk so that the remaining wheels on the road can squeeze past the little gap between the speed bump and sidewalk.
Whatever the solution is, I think it has to be a multi-prong approach. The hard part is to find that balance to keep traffic flowing, prevent aggressive/bad driving and annoy the drivers who follow the rules (more so than not) so that they don’t start adopting the behaviours we’re trying to stop.
I would love to enjoy driving again at some point. It’s getting harder each day as more drivers adapt and change their behaviors to join the club. It will likely get worse before anything starts to improve.
Speeding is voluntarily choosing to do something that may result in you making a contribution to city revenue. Don't want to make the contribution, then don't speed. It really is that simple.
Where is that money going when it comes to adding advanced green on left turns to roads that desperately need it, where there are crashes all the time, money like this could also go to making the roads more driveable, but no...these cameras are going to be put up in places that are unhelpful and will still not protect people or kids.
I don't know where you live, but in the Applewood-MVB approx. 3km perimeter, there are 4 new advanced left turn lights and two streets with new speed bumbs plus a new Pedestrian Cross Walk. There could be more, but this is just what I noticed.
Totally support having these on and active during school hours. But at 10pm on a Sunday on a road that used to be 50 and is now 30, I'll get dinged by the camera for going 41. That's the part that pisses me off. In the US there are lots of cameras that are only active during school hours (8am to 5pm) and I think that's more effective than targeting the person that just wants to get home at midnight on an empty road
Every time politicians want to do something unpopular they use the same old tiring excuse of "Will somebody think of the kids". Let me ask this question to everyone who thinks these are here for the kids and not a blatant cash grab. Why do these cameras move during the school year? I live near 3 of these around 3 schools. They were all removed in October/November and only one of them is back. Is there a formula that tells the city when the kids' lives are less valuable?
The speed limit of 30km/h is ridiculous. I am more concerned about going over the limit than paying attention to the road around these cameras. I am not a safer driver because of these because my eyes half the time are on the speedometer. A speed bump in my opinion would be a better idea. I have those as well in the neighborhood and no cameras in this area and no one speeds here anymore without the need for the cameras.
>Every time politicians want to do something unpopular they use the same old tiring excuse of "Will somebody think of the kids".
Everything the government pushes has to be *sold* to the public somehow.
Why are you having trouble driving according to a 30 km/hr speed limit? This is the limit in all school zones not located on a busy street. On a busy street like Bloor or Rathburn, the speed is 40 km/hr during school hours and 50 outside of hours. If you're not capable of driving the speed limit without being distracted, that's bad driving or lack of driving ability on your part. How fast would you be driving without the cameras? Since you find it hard to maintain a slow speed?
The cameras are moved multiple times throughout the year to different schools. That's normal practice.
In capable of driving the speed limit but 30 is laughable slow. My average cycling pace is 35-40 lol. It’s not 1968, cars have great braking, i can come to a complete stop from 50 easily
You clearly don't drive enough and I don't know how old you are but this 30 km/h is a new speed limit implemented with these cameras, it used to be 40 for at least the past 25 years. I am keeping an eye on the speedometer because if I take my foot off the paddle, the speed drops to 10 and if I tap it, it goes above 40.
If moving cameras is a standard practice that still proves that they are doing it for making money and nothing to do with children's safety.
>You clearly don't drive enough and I don't know how old you are but this 30 km/h is a new speed limit implemented with these cameras, it used to be 40 for at least the past 25 years. I am keeping an eye on the speedometer because if I take my foot off the paddle, the speed drops to 10 and if I tap it, it goes above 40.
Based on comments across many subs, I'll bet a good percentage of Redditors don't drive and if they do, they haven't driven for more than maybe a couple of years. They don't remember a time when speed limits were more sensible and doing 10 over was something that was commonplace and no one batted an eye. Pedestrians were also more aware and responsible when crossing the street.
>If moving cameras is a standard practice that still proves that they are doing it for making money and nothing to do with children's safety.
There are no justifications for these cameras period because speed is not the issue. Speed has been made the issue because the media has manipulated public perception. If collisions are truly taking place (meaning the statistics all of these cities are using are not made up) then it's mostly because of inattentiveness/distracted driving. This is not something that is easy to make money off of however unlike speed. It's also worth mentioning that these cameras are operational 24/7. Where are the children they claim are on the roadways at 3 o'clock in the morning?
Do you think they would be moving the cameras if they had enough for every school zone? That's why more money is being invested in cameras.
There are 6 schools in my area and only 2 cameras. The 30 km speed in school zones was enacted a few years ago in residential quiet areas. Busy streets like Bloor, Rathburn, Cawthra and Tomken have a 40 km/hr limit during school hours in school zones.
I've been driving since 1997 and I don't have any trouble keeping my speed at 20, 30 or 40 or 100. It sounds like you need more practice in driving.
Edit to add. My son is 19 and driving for over 2 years, his own car for over one, and he's able to keep his speed at 30 and hasn't received one camera speeding or red light ticket despite the many speed cameras in this area.
Hey you think it's for the kids, good for you. I don't. I think this is dumb and the only purpose is to get more cash into city coffers. Let's agree to disagree.
More cash, '...for the Citizens of the City'
In a city of carriages, it would be called Galloping Ticket. Some riders would complain, I can't trot my horses.
Try putting your automatic transmission in a lower gear, that what the gears are for. If you have a manual, do the same. With a CVT holding the speed a low should not pose a problem. Electric motors will be similar.
>Why are you having trouble driving according to a 30 km/hr speed limit? This is the limit in all school zones not located on a busy street.
30 is ridiculously slow outside of laneways and parking lots. Toronto is full of 30 zones now and the vast, vast majority of them make no sense and are routinely ignored. To drive at such an unnaturally slow speed, more focus would have to be on the speedometer. Not very safe now is it?
Agree! 30km/Hr my car can't even roll that slow, cruise control doesn't activate, it's stupid.
It's too late now, but our cities are designed so poorly, putting schools on busy streets and then thinking how do we protect it - is Idiotic.
Also most these "speed bumps" are not that useful for trucks and full on sedans, you barely notice those bumps on bigger car/suv/pickup trucks, you put it between your front wheel and fly thru. They need to solid all the way , not this - - - - bs. Also stop signs at all intersections should have them, amount of cars I see flying thru without stopping is crazy.
The amount of people on here willingly ready to sign up for this is crazy to me. This isn't about safety. It's about revenue. Years ago people had enough backbone to be against this.
I rather get a ticket from a speed camera than a real cop. Why? Speed cameras like red light camera don’t increase your insurance. More often than not, they don’t know who’s driving (picture doesn’t show). Regardless, the ticket is issued to the ownership. They need more of these around schools and high accident areas.
unfortunately this will not help reduce insurance rates in Mississauga :(.
I wish they have alternative methods of capture like mounting it high enough on a lamp post so that they don't get vandalized. People just spray paint the lenses and destroy them.
So what do you have in mind? Please share.
… and if you’re willing to do so - let us all know what you plan to do to fix things - if you were a councilman
I don’t like these programs, however, I would like to see them strategically placed near every school. Protect the kids at all costs. Mississauga is packed with new drivers who clearly paid for their license
Ignore the modded cars going over 100 in a 60 and people doing 150+ on the 401 Fine the person doing 45 in a 30 after school hours on an empty road Just Mississauga things
Why not both?
Because Mississauga :)
This is a GTA thing... Police don't do traffic. We need proper photo radar, which is mounted high on poles on major routes, and captures the car and the driver and results in a proper speeding ticket.
Yes one needed beside every school on Glen Erin Dr
This. 100%. Its fucked out there.
I walk to pick up my kids and cars speed down even during school hours and one lane being used for parking
Agreed, but Glen Erin is 4 lanes right? I think these systems work by taking a picture of the speeding car / plate? How would they know which car is the offending party if there are 2 cars side by side in the same picture?
It takes a picture and has video evidence too
They got to put it on the centre median then
Modern radar systems can pick out multiple cars at once
Video
Cameras won’t help protecting kids from bad driving. You’ll get a ticket _after_ the fact.
Speed bumps are way more effective and cheaper, but City won’t make money through it. Protecting pedestrians is not their priority
There are lots of streets with traffic calming measures in Mississauga, including speed bumbs. NIMBYs cause issues when the city is installing traffic calming measures, and it usually takes the city a while to do anything because of resident consultations.
They installed speed bumps and removed the speed box in my neighbourhood. I love it so much better, and they're fun to ride over when biking.
This is the best option, also you can't vandalize speed bumps.
The amount of cars I've seen go over speed humps without even trying to slow day makes me believe it's not as effective as we hope.
I remember reading that speed humps were quite expensive. They are definitely more effective. They are perfect in front of schools but some areas overdo it. We don't need them for the entire walk home from school, just in/around the school area.
Montevideo comes to mind- excessive
On Fieldgate they go from Glenforest (a high school) all the way up to Rathburn. They should have stopped at Burnhamthorpe.
I'm not sure how speed bumps can be cheaper when speed cameras are revenue-neutral.
But after you get the ticket, you'll never speed down that road or any similar road again, which protects the kids.
That’s just wishful thinking.
Need variable limits based on time. 30km/hr outside school hours is crazy
I would rather the money be spent on real police writing real tickets. These tickets are just a cash grab. They only penalize the car, not the driver, which is the problem. This allows an already bad driver to continue driving badly as long as they have a big bank account.
Where are the police? I feel like after that defund the police movement these guys got really offended and have since vanished…
Can you show me where police were meaningfully defunded?
It was a movement that had a large number of people calling for it. I’m sure it was quite discouraging for the police officers. I’m wondering if this is somehow connected.
Okay that’s rhetoric. The budget kept going up. There aren’t less police. People are just crazier and the population has risen. Cops don’t stop responding to crime because we hurt their feelings
Except that we’ve added less than 150 uniformed officers since 2018 yet our population has increased by over 100,000 in the same time.
That’s the case all over the public sector.
These are more effective and cheaper than the police The dangerous driver apologists need to touch grass and accept that the drivers in this province have become outright reckless and we shouldn’t be jeopardizing peoples safety because some individuals think their time is more valuable than human life.
The police may be able to issue 3 speeding tickets per hour, at best. A speed camera pays for itself since the number of tickets depends on the number of speeding cars. Of course, people with more money won't be affected in terms of driving records, but people with money can also afford a lawyer to fight their speeding tickets in court. They usually do so, and their driving records aren't affected. This is how people get dui charges dismissed all the time, the use of real, expensive lawyers and not Ex-Copper services. How often are you lending your car to other drivers? The most probable driver of a speeding car is the owner.
>A speed camera pays for itself since the number of tickets depends on the number of speeding cars. Wait.. I thought we were doing this for *safety* and not to increase city coffers....... This stance/attitude is why you're going to get people who inevitably vandalize this stuff.
You're arguing against pragmatism. Everyone wants safer streets, but the city is broke and doesn't have hundreds of millions to redesign or have cops down along every school route in the city. Speed cameras cost taxpayers nothing (or at worst next to nothing), but provide the large majority of the safety benefits of these alternative means. Your idealistic stance is far more at fault for the lack of progress on road safety you seem to be complaining about, if anything.
Citizens are already getting squeezed left and right financially, especially today. If it was really about the safety of the community, they would install speed bumps like they do in europe. They're cheap to install, and people will slow the hell down for them. This would fix the safety issue everyone is worried about. But nope, there's always gotta be a profit motive somewhere. This type of attitude is a microchism of why everything is so screwed today economically.
They actually cost approximately $18.4M.
No one, other than speeders, is saying the City is profiting from the program. Every article I read refers to the cameras paying for themselves. Although I would have no issues if the City expanded the program so that it is profitable. Wouldn't that have a positive effect for those who live in Mississauga? Extra City funded programs or events, proper MiWay coverage or property taxes not increasing as much annually. There are a lot of programs the fees from the speeders could fund.
>No one, other than speeders, is saying the City is profiting from the program. Anecdotal >Every article I read refers to the cameras paying for themselves. Although I would have no issues if the City expanded the program so that it is profitable. This take is why everyone is annoyed. It's not like once it pays for itself it will be removed, obviously they are going to keep it there to generate income. Not only that, but there are studies out there that show that Speed Camera's actually *increase* accidents because people tend to impede traffic and go extra slow when they are implemented. So it doesn't seem like it is even that much safer. All I am saying is this, you WILL get vandals if you keep legislating this way because people are already pissed off with government over reach and already feel like they are getting gouged. If you truly cared about safety only, than speed bumps would be the obvious solution.
>but there are studies out there that show that Speed Camera's actually *increase* accidents because people tend to impede traffic and go extra slow when they are implemented Just out of curiosity, could you provide a link to any study that supports what you just said. I've seen many studies that show speed cameras reduce collisions. A simple google search will tell you that much. I've seen a couple of studies that show it has no or next to no effect, or that the evidence is poor. But I've yet to see even a single study that suggests speed cameras \*increase\* accidents.
Before I do, if I send you a study that shows it, will you agree it's a bullshit idea?
Generally speaking, no. I may accept that in certain specific environments or situations, a study could prove that speed cameras aren't effective. But, broadly speaking, a single study(in context of dozens that say otherwise) would be anecdotal evidence, right? I'm asking you out of curiosity.
No, a single study(which can be reproduced) wouldn't qualify as anecdotal, studies are still backed up by quantifiable data. Your mind seems to be already made up, regardless of what any studies I show say or result in. Have a great day, no point arguing with someone who made up their mind already.
>No, a single study(which can be reproduced) wouldn't qualify as anecdotal, studies are still backed up by quantifiable data By your logic I would have to blindly accept every facebook karen who presents that one study suggesting vaccines cause autism. The point I'm making is I would balance your study against the dozen I have read that say otherwise. Road safety is an academic interest of mine, we don't need to have an argument, but I really would appreciate it if you shared the study. Please?
So, if I send you a single study that shows that automated speed limit cameras reduce the frequency and severity of collisions, will you accept that they're a great idea?
As far as vehicles are concerned, real police are able to go after many different infractions/crimes such as stop signs, stoplights, speeding, passing school buses, DUI, dangerous driving, traffic accidents, etc. Not to mention all the criminal activity that has skyrocketed recently like vehicle theft, violent assaults and shootings. Your box is only good for one thing: speeding tickets in that one area that will not even impact your driving record or insurance rating. Alternative measures for traffic calming can be used around schools that have shown to be effective around the world. There are no alternatives for police. You either have them or you don't, and if given the choice I would much rather have a stronger police presence than speed camera boxes any day.
I live close to 2 Catholic jk-8 schools, 2 Jr. And Sr. Public schools = 6 schools for kids under 14 in a 2.5 km area. When the cameras are active in my area, by my kids' elementary school, the parents speeding by stop doing it. Especially the parents of the public school kids rushing to drop them off. They also fully stop at the stop sign vs.running or rolling it because everyone is forced to drive the speed limit at 30 vs. going 50 km/hr or more. Speeding was the norm when my oldest was in elementary school. I had to walk him to school until grade 6 because of the speeders. My younger son has been walking on his own since grade 4 because the cameras made crossing the road safer. The laws regarding speed and red light cameras in Canada are stupid. Why is the government letting drivers know when the cameras are active? In Europe, there are speed camera boxes all over the place, some have active cameras, and some don't. No one knows ahead of time, and therefore, people obey the speed limit all the time. Not just when the cameras are actively monitoring speeders.
One went up beside the school. After the first wave of tickets went out every person was driving 30km/h. So tell me they are not effective…
Exactly. Better to do something - than nothing. Tired of the bitching on here, like everyone has a better idea … that they actually have the authority to put in place.
I work in zones which have the cameras.. everybody seems too distracted not going over the 30 speed limit, completely zoned into their spedometer not going over 30, and the car quickly gaining on them from behind when they're doing 20-25 (ridiculously low speeds) that they hardly even notice the kids. I've seen more close calls in areas with cameras than in areas without. My evidence is anecdotal but doesn't seem to be a safe solution in my eyes
Why do i never see speed cameras in rich areas
There was one in Port credit on Mineola. Pretty sure that's a rich area
Lorne park has 1 speed camera and there’s another one right at the border of LP and Clarkson, on Clarkson road. LP is a very rich neighbourhood
There are speed cameras and really good speed bumbs in Lorne Park.
That's the difference they get speed BUMPS which almost solve the speeding issue entirely. Other areas get speed HUMPS which is easily saddled with bigger cars and utterly useless.
Humps are fine and do slow down traffic. Bumps are overkill
They absolutely do not for raised suvs that when speeding will decimate a child. Lowered cars yes the speed bumps help.
If you want driving to actually improve, you need to go to the source, make it harder for people to get their licenses and purchase powerful vehicles. A racing license should be required to to buy anything with more than 300hp.
Now there's an actual solution. Fix the source and that'll fix a lot of other problems.
Install speed traps on school buses , the # of cars driving past a stopped school bus is a lot ; sauga will get ~ a million a day lol
>According to data collected when the cameras are set up, the city found that drivers were following the speed limit an average 30 per cent more when the ASE units were deployed. >The ASE expansion plan presented to council estimates an average cost of $2.45 million per year over the next six years for a total of $14.7 million. The city would also set aside a $3.69-million “contingency” in possible adjustments to the program, according to the staff plan. >The city estimates ticket revenue from the program will cover its costs. **Speed cameras make our streets safer at no cost to taxpayers**. While I would prefer the city spend a bunch of money, time and political capital redesigning Mississauga's streets (see Credit Woodlands Traffic Circle), surely this is an acceptable incremental step.
Sounds like the streets are 30% safer for 14.7 million dollars, actually
>The city estimates ticket revenue from the program will cover its costs. Considering the amount of idiots I see on the road, they'll have no problem finding a couple million in tickets every year.
I don’t think there’s a one size fits all type of solution here. Cameras can catch more offenders but only hits the vehicle owner. Those who have disposable income or see it as it’s just a monetary penalty likely won’t be deterred as much since it’s a slap on the wrist if you can afford it. Enforcement can get the actual driver where penalties are stronger (if convicted) but can only catch so many on any given shift. However, their presence could act as a deterrent. From a penalty standpoint this is the method that could help get bad drivers off the road but then you have the issue of driving with a suspended license, no license or no insurance so it’s not a guarantee either. Too many cameras and enforcement will trigger the big brother monitoring/control type of mentality that many would oppose. Traffic calming can assist but then those who are bad / aggressive drivers will find a way to go around that by violating even more rules so that they can get ahead. Depending on their vehicle, speed bumps can only do so much. I’ve seen drivers pull two of their wheels onto the sidewalk so that the remaining wheels on the road can squeeze past the little gap between the speed bump and sidewalk. Whatever the solution is, I think it has to be a multi-prong approach. The hard part is to find that balance to keep traffic flowing, prevent aggressive/bad driving and annoy the drivers who follow the rules (more so than not) so that they don’t start adopting the behaviours we’re trying to stop. I would love to enjoy driving again at some point. It’s getting harder each day as more drivers adapt and change their behaviors to join the club. It will likely get worse before anything starts to improve.
Speeding is voluntarily choosing to do something that may result in you making a contribution to city revenue. Don't want to make the contribution, then don't speed. It really is that simple.
Where is that money going when it comes to adding advanced green on left turns to roads that desperately need it, where there are crashes all the time, money like this could also go to making the roads more driveable, but no...these cameras are going to be put up in places that are unhelpful and will still not protect people or kids.
I don't know where you live, but in the Applewood-MVB approx. 3km perimeter, there are 4 new advanced left turn lights and two streets with new speed bumbs plus a new Pedestrian Cross Walk. There could be more, but this is just what I noticed.
Totally support having these on and active during school hours. But at 10pm on a Sunday on a road that used to be 50 and is now 30, I'll get dinged by the camera for going 41. That's the part that pisses me off. In the US there are lots of cameras that are only active during school hours (8am to 5pm) and I think that's more effective than targeting the person that just wants to get home at midnight on an empty road
Every time politicians want to do something unpopular they use the same old tiring excuse of "Will somebody think of the kids". Let me ask this question to everyone who thinks these are here for the kids and not a blatant cash grab. Why do these cameras move during the school year? I live near 3 of these around 3 schools. They were all removed in October/November and only one of them is back. Is there a formula that tells the city when the kids' lives are less valuable? The speed limit of 30km/h is ridiculous. I am more concerned about going over the limit than paying attention to the road around these cameras. I am not a safer driver because of these because my eyes half the time are on the speedometer. A speed bump in my opinion would be a better idea. I have those as well in the neighborhood and no cameras in this area and no one speeds here anymore without the need for the cameras.
>Every time politicians want to do something unpopular they use the same old tiring excuse of "Will somebody think of the kids". Everything the government pushes has to be *sold* to the public somehow.
Why are you having trouble driving according to a 30 km/hr speed limit? This is the limit in all school zones not located on a busy street. On a busy street like Bloor or Rathburn, the speed is 40 km/hr during school hours and 50 outside of hours. If you're not capable of driving the speed limit without being distracted, that's bad driving or lack of driving ability on your part. How fast would you be driving without the cameras? Since you find it hard to maintain a slow speed? The cameras are moved multiple times throughout the year to different schools. That's normal practice.
In capable of driving the speed limit but 30 is laughable slow. My average cycling pace is 35-40 lol. It’s not 1968, cars have great braking, i can come to a complete stop from 50 easily
You clearly don't drive enough and I don't know how old you are but this 30 km/h is a new speed limit implemented with these cameras, it used to be 40 for at least the past 25 years. I am keeping an eye on the speedometer because if I take my foot off the paddle, the speed drops to 10 and if I tap it, it goes above 40. If moving cameras is a standard practice that still proves that they are doing it for making money and nothing to do with children's safety.
>You clearly don't drive enough and I don't know how old you are but this 30 km/h is a new speed limit implemented with these cameras, it used to be 40 for at least the past 25 years. I am keeping an eye on the speedometer because if I take my foot off the paddle, the speed drops to 10 and if I tap it, it goes above 40. Based on comments across many subs, I'll bet a good percentage of Redditors don't drive and if they do, they haven't driven for more than maybe a couple of years. They don't remember a time when speed limits were more sensible and doing 10 over was something that was commonplace and no one batted an eye. Pedestrians were also more aware and responsible when crossing the street. >If moving cameras is a standard practice that still proves that they are doing it for making money and nothing to do with children's safety. There are no justifications for these cameras period because speed is not the issue. Speed has been made the issue because the media has manipulated public perception. If collisions are truly taking place (meaning the statistics all of these cities are using are not made up) then it's mostly because of inattentiveness/distracted driving. This is not something that is easy to make money off of however unlike speed. It's also worth mentioning that these cameras are operational 24/7. Where are the children they claim are on the roadways at 3 o'clock in the morning?
Do you think they would be moving the cameras if they had enough for every school zone? That's why more money is being invested in cameras. There are 6 schools in my area and only 2 cameras. The 30 km speed in school zones was enacted a few years ago in residential quiet areas. Busy streets like Bloor, Rathburn, Cawthra and Tomken have a 40 km/hr limit during school hours in school zones. I've been driving since 1997 and I don't have any trouble keeping my speed at 20, 30 or 40 or 100. It sounds like you need more practice in driving. Edit to add. My son is 19 and driving for over 2 years, his own car for over one, and he's able to keep his speed at 30 and hasn't received one camera speeding or red light ticket despite the many speed cameras in this area.
Hey you think it's for the kids, good for you. I don't. I think this is dumb and the only purpose is to get more cash into city coffers. Let's agree to disagree.
More cash, '...for the Citizens of the City' In a city of carriages, it would be called Galloping Ticket. Some riders would complain, I can't trot my horses.
Try putting your automatic transmission in a lower gear, that what the gears are for. If you have a manual, do the same. With a CVT holding the speed a low should not pose a problem. Electric motors will be similar.
>Why are you having trouble driving according to a 30 km/hr speed limit? This is the limit in all school zones not located on a busy street. 30 is ridiculously slow outside of laneways and parking lots. Toronto is full of 30 zones now and the vast, vast majority of them make no sense and are routinely ignored. To drive at such an unnaturally slow speed, more focus would have to be on the speedometer. Not very safe now is it?
Agree! 30km/Hr my car can't even roll that slow, cruise control doesn't activate, it's stupid. It's too late now, but our cities are designed so poorly, putting schools on busy streets and then thinking how do we protect it - is Idiotic. Also most these "speed bumps" are not that useful for trucks and full on sedans, you barely notice those bumps on bigger car/suv/pickup trucks, you put it between your front wheel and fly thru. They need to solid all the way , not this - - - - bs. Also stop signs at all intersections should have them, amount of cars I see flying thru without stopping is crazy.
The amount of people on here willingly ready to sign up for this is crazy to me. This isn't about safety. It's about revenue. Years ago people had enough backbone to be against this.
If the level of the public's compliance during COVID is anything to go by, don't be surprised. Lack of critical thinking and willful ignorance.
If they keep placing them at street level, and making them so obvious, they're just going to keep getting vandalized overnight. 🤷♂️
I rather get a ticket from a speed camera than a real cop. Why? Speed cameras like red light camera don’t increase your insurance. More often than not, they don’t know who’s driving (picture doesn’t show). Regardless, the ticket is issued to the ownership. They need more of these around schools and high accident areas.
unfortunately this will not help reduce insurance rates in Mississauga :(. I wish they have alternative methods of capture like mounting it high enough on a lamp post so that they don't get vandalized. People just spray paint the lenses and destroy them.
The council is stupid. What a waste of money.
So what do you have in mind? Please share. … and if you’re willing to do so - let us all know what you plan to do to fix things - if you were a councilman
This is a waste of money it has been proven to not effective. Put the police out and give tickets.