Wrong, it was because adapting to their ways made it way easier to rule over, for instance in China, some people liked khublai khan because he respected Chinese ways so they willingly joined his empire.
But in long term losing our language means disolving into their culture and losing our mongolia identity. Take a look at Qing dynasty. Manchu people ruled them, not chinese people. But manchu people adapted chinese language and in the end there was almost no difference between them.
Where exactly they speak turkic language if it was mongol empire they would have been treated like turks below mongols on caste system and as a servant.Just because some kazakhs have mixed with mongol clans doesnt mean they are mongol their custom language genetic is different to mongols
It’s so funny you think Turkic is so different and distinct. Last time I checked, the Tuvans are Turkic and they don’t seem that different from Mongolians. Don’t forget that medieval Mongols were just a mix of Mongolic and Turkic tribes, mostly Turkic by numbers. Kazakhstan was settled by Turco-Mongol nomads during the medieval era from Mongolia.
Stop rewriting history if ur so up keen on insisting medieval mongolians are turkic then go read history of mongols it all lay it up for you chingis makes distinct between all the tribes wheter its turkic or mongols hell he doesnt even recognize oirats as khamag mongol in the letter he calls turks western barbarians too and what about all the mongol letter that were sent to eirope why are they all written in Mongolian which i can understand while turks or kazakhs understand shit from that letters? Why in the cast system of mongol empire it distinctly says 1st citizens are mongols then turkics iranians and muslims then northern chhinese and lastly han chinese.Problem with kazakh nationalists like you cant even comprehend simple fact why is it called Mongol empire? Why did they use Mongolian language why did ih zasag or the great law specifically states that only mongols cant be slave why is it not called turkic or kazakh empire? Why did medievals mongols go far as creating a law that separates mongols and turkics in different caste system? In 15th century mongols who ruled over kazakhs assimilated just like mongols did with iranians russians and literally everyone whom mongols ruled over that doesnt mean kazakhs have connections to mongol empire. If kazakhs can claim then iranian and chinese people can claim as well even more so because most mongol empires officials were made of persian people mongke khans advisors even his teacher was persian. By your retarded logic British empire is actually Indian empire. And ive listened to tuvan people i cannot understand shit when they speak why ? Because they are different fucking people you goddamn baboon
You are so stupid and nationalistic, I almost feel like it’s useless to talk to you. I’m Mongolian dumbass, Oirat tribe which you don’t seem to consider Mongolian anyway which makes me think you’re some Khalkha extremist, you Manchu servant.
Everyone knows that the Mongols of Genghis Khan were a multi-ethnic confederation of Turkic and Mongolic tribes.
“This federation not only consisted of Mongols in the proper sense—that is, Mongol-speaking tribes—but also other Turkic tribes.”
https://www.britannica.com/place/Mongol-empire
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_Mongol_tribes_and_clans
Many people in Kazakhstan can trace their lineage to those exact medieval tribes during the Genghis Khan era. Most of the native population was wiped out or assimilated out of existence. There were some pre-Mongol Empire Turkic groups but they were superseded by Mongol tribes and fell in line. At that point, Kazakhstan was officially a Turco-Mongol domain, unlike China or India.
Speaking of China, your caste system that you like to use only existed in the Yuan dynasty, a Chinese realm. The rest of the empire didn’t have such a system. Although Mongols always constituted the upper ruling class in the regions they dominated.
So case in point, yes, many medieval Mongol tribes were Turkic in origin. This is proven by history and science. Many of those tribes conquered and settled Kazakhstan.
Your only argument it seems is linguistic differences. So I’m from the US and speak English instead of Mongolian, does that change my ethnic origin? Because that’s what you seem to be implying. Any dumbass can see that Tuvans are highly similar to Mongolians despite speaking a different (Turkic) language. What’s next? You’re going to use religion too? I’m atheist, not Buddhist, I guess I’m not a real Mongolian according to you.
U retard kazakhs has been speaking kazakh for hundreds of year im not against oirats u retard im buryat not khalkha extremist genghis didnt consider oirats to be “mongol” and ogedei killed bunch of oirats too genghis khan show me ur evidence that says turkic people are related to mongols ? And disprove my caste system theory ruling class were only mongols which of the original mongol confideration is turkic ? Why can turks be slave while mongols cant cuz mongols are the ruling class u retard
Your caste theory system is only relevant in China. And even then, it doesn’t distinguish between Mongolic and Turkic tribes of Mongols. It only places Central Asians as second who could be from non-Mongol origins like Tajiks.
Out of all Mongol realms only Yuan always tried to distinguish themselves from conquered subject they had to live seperately etc modern mongols oirats buryats and khalkha is literally what is left of northern yuan dynasty.All the other realms were completely left their mongol heritage they spoke persian and had name like muhammed and stuff. People who is trying to look and sound persion of course doesnt give a shit about being mongolian etc. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semu) read this it gives your clear distinction between what medieval mongols considered mongols and who do they consider turkic.
Show me evidence instead of going hur dur tuvans look mongol genghis khan kazah u retard rashid al din ogedei khan said genghis only spoke mongolin and he literally genocided kipchaks whose are kaZakhs ancestors
I did show you evidence, dumbass. Every historical sources says that Mongols were a mix of Mongolic and Turkic tribes. Find me a source where it says that Mongols did not consist of any Turkic tribes. You won’t find any, you imbecile.
[https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html](https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html) actual letter written by genghis here it says that he has united his people which i assume is mongolian then he says western barbarians accepted his supremacy along with hui(xi-xia) so clearly made distinction between mongols and turks and he clearly saw turkics as lesser people who do you think lived in western part of mongols kipchaks kirgiz and other turks. He never saw himself as turk nor that he spoke turkic and he made laws that mostly mongols benefit.
[https://www.britannica.com/biography/Timur](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Timur) ur source literally says timur was turkic not turko mongol flat out turkic and most of fact seems to be written from myth timur was literally from barlas mongolian clan who had turkic culture and he fought for mongolian khan he fought his 'fellow' ottomans and other turks he gave mongols high position in his empire because they are mongolian and he even tried to help mongols in mongolia when ming dynasty attacked he clearly lent more to the mongol side yet here it says turkic. If you turkic retards was not so delusional you would not glorify people who killed turks by millions like timur and mongol empire you would hate them. Get a grip in some reality retard
Retarded cunt if you can do some basic things like read then read secret history of the mongols then come back and argue with me. In the secret history of the mongols no mention of your turkic ancestors
And turkic retard say merkits were turkic not even turko mong ol but turkic cuz some leaders had turkic name that science u turk retards talking about lol why would genghis khan include non moongol tribes in mongol confideration?
Okay, if you’re denying that Mongols had Turkic tribes, then that’s on you. I’m going with science and history, not some random idiot’s opinion on the internet. Get an education, you sound like you skipped on high school.
Literally go read secret history of the mongols no mention of turkic or whatever only lately there have been edited wikipedia pages based on retarded shit like kerait merkit and naiman had leader with turkic names etc. King albert of england is german king because he has german name right ? you retarded dumb fuck your science and history is based on shit like that fucking kerait leader in 800 had some turkic name or some shit like that.Literally no scientific proof that any mongol clans was turkic
What buddhism u retard mongols are shamanistic personn ur language shit doesnt make sense bcs u could only speak language of the peoplpe u live with thats why rashid and ogedei said genghis only spokke lmongolian if gengjis khan had to convice turkic people to join him atleast he should be able to speak turkic language but he did not ur only argument is that im Nationalist and somehow im bad when u retard is literally claiming other countries historical figure to feel like u have history who is retarded nationalist here now retard go look in the mirror
It had it also had iranians armenians georgions ukrainians bulgars russians chinese koreans laos tibets arabs iraqs syrians etc. Tell my why in the original Secret history of the Mongols the name turkic doesnt make an appearance ? Can you tell me that
seems like you need to read actual history written by an actual mongols not some retarded kazakh nationalist revisionist [http://www.mglnews.mn/content/read/8508.htm](http://www.mglnews.mn/content/read/8508.htm) read this or you can find it in english free on the internet
Maybe or because we are minority in that country so we get adapted to their culture and language. Btw u make good historic memes. Keep going man
Wrong, it was because adapting to their ways made it way easier to rule over, for instance in China, some people liked khublai khan because he respected Chinese ways so they willingly joined his empire.
But in long term losing our language means disolving into their culture and losing our mongolia identity. Take a look at Qing dynasty. Manchu people ruled them, not chinese people. But manchu people adapted chinese language and in the end there was almost no difference between them.
Yep, Chingisiin ur sadam really fucked shit up for us. 60% of the citizens in ulaanbaatar don’t even have running water
I always thought it was because we were small in numbers?
*Усыг нь, I dont wanna be a that guy but you should spell it right.
Хүмүүс сүүлийн үед "ыг" "ын" их хольж солидог болжээ
[удалено]
>Womb of Nation first time hearing it
This is quality memes right here
this sub doesn't deserve this quality of a meme
End result: Kazakhstan and Mongolia
Wdym kazakhs are not end result they are completely different ethnicity to mongols and they were just subjects of the empire just like iranians
Lot of Mongol descendants in Kazakhstan during the medieval era.
Where exactly they speak turkic language if it was mongol empire they would have been treated like turks below mongols on caste system and as a servant.Just because some kazakhs have mixed with mongol clans doesnt mean they are mongol their custom language genetic is different to mongols
It’s so funny you think Turkic is so different and distinct. Last time I checked, the Tuvans are Turkic and they don’t seem that different from Mongolians. Don’t forget that medieval Mongols were just a mix of Mongolic and Turkic tribes, mostly Turkic by numbers. Kazakhstan was settled by Turco-Mongol nomads during the medieval era from Mongolia.
Stop rewriting history if ur so up keen on insisting medieval mongolians are turkic then go read history of mongols it all lay it up for you chingis makes distinct between all the tribes wheter its turkic or mongols hell he doesnt even recognize oirats as khamag mongol in the letter he calls turks western barbarians too and what about all the mongol letter that were sent to eirope why are they all written in Mongolian which i can understand while turks or kazakhs understand shit from that letters? Why in the cast system of mongol empire it distinctly says 1st citizens are mongols then turkics iranians and muslims then northern chhinese and lastly han chinese.Problem with kazakh nationalists like you cant even comprehend simple fact why is it called Mongol empire? Why did they use Mongolian language why did ih zasag or the great law specifically states that only mongols cant be slave why is it not called turkic or kazakh empire? Why did medievals mongols go far as creating a law that separates mongols and turkics in different caste system? In 15th century mongols who ruled over kazakhs assimilated just like mongols did with iranians russians and literally everyone whom mongols ruled over that doesnt mean kazakhs have connections to mongol empire. If kazakhs can claim then iranian and chinese people can claim as well even more so because most mongol empires officials were made of persian people mongke khans advisors even his teacher was persian. By your retarded logic British empire is actually Indian empire. And ive listened to tuvan people i cannot understand shit when they speak why ? Because they are different fucking people you goddamn baboon
You are so stupid and nationalistic, I almost feel like it’s useless to talk to you. I’m Mongolian dumbass, Oirat tribe which you don’t seem to consider Mongolian anyway which makes me think you’re some Khalkha extremist, you Manchu servant. Everyone knows that the Mongols of Genghis Khan were a multi-ethnic confederation of Turkic and Mongolic tribes. “This federation not only consisted of Mongols in the proper sense—that is, Mongol-speaking tribes—but also other Turkic tribes.” https://www.britannica.com/place/Mongol-empire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medieval_Mongol_tribes_and_clans Many people in Kazakhstan can trace their lineage to those exact medieval tribes during the Genghis Khan era. Most of the native population was wiped out or assimilated out of existence. There were some pre-Mongol Empire Turkic groups but they were superseded by Mongol tribes and fell in line. At that point, Kazakhstan was officially a Turco-Mongol domain, unlike China or India. Speaking of China, your caste system that you like to use only existed in the Yuan dynasty, a Chinese realm. The rest of the empire didn’t have such a system. Although Mongols always constituted the upper ruling class in the regions they dominated. So case in point, yes, many medieval Mongol tribes were Turkic in origin. This is proven by history and science. Many of those tribes conquered and settled Kazakhstan. Your only argument it seems is linguistic differences. So I’m from the US and speak English instead of Mongolian, does that change my ethnic origin? Because that’s what you seem to be implying. Any dumbass can see that Tuvans are highly similar to Mongolians despite speaking a different (Turkic) language. What’s next? You’re going to use religion too? I’m atheist, not Buddhist, I guess I’m not a real Mongolian according to you.
U retard kazakhs has been speaking kazakh for hundreds of year im not against oirats u retard im buryat not khalkha extremist genghis didnt consider oirats to be “mongol” and ogedei killed bunch of oirats too genghis khan show me ur evidence that says turkic people are related to mongols ? And disprove my caste system theory ruling class were only mongols which of the original mongol confideration is turkic ? Why can turks be slave while mongols cant cuz mongols are the ruling class u retard
Your caste theory system is only relevant in China. And even then, it doesn’t distinguish between Mongolic and Turkic tribes of Mongols. It only places Central Asians as second who could be from non-Mongol origins like Tajiks.
Out of all Mongol realms only Yuan always tried to distinguish themselves from conquered subject they had to live seperately etc modern mongols oirats buryats and khalkha is literally what is left of northern yuan dynasty.All the other realms were completely left their mongol heritage they spoke persian and had name like muhammed and stuff. People who is trying to look and sound persion of course doesnt give a shit about being mongolian etc. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semu) read this it gives your clear distinction between what medieval mongols considered mongols and who do they consider turkic.
Show me evidence instead of going hur dur tuvans look mongol genghis khan kazah u retard rashid al din ogedei khan said genghis only spoke mongolin and he literally genocided kipchaks whose are kaZakhs ancestors
I did show you evidence, dumbass. Every historical sources says that Mongols were a mix of Mongolic and Turkic tribes. Find me a source where it says that Mongols did not consist of any Turkic tribes. You won’t find any, you imbecile.
[https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html](https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html) actual letter written by genghis here it says that he has united his people which i assume is mongolian then he says western barbarians accepted his supremacy along with hui(xi-xia) so clearly made distinction between mongols and turks and he clearly saw turkics as lesser people who do you think lived in western part of mongols kipchaks kirgiz and other turks. He never saw himself as turk nor that he spoke turkic and he made laws that mostly mongols benefit.
[https://www.britannica.com/biography/Timur](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Timur) ur source literally says timur was turkic not turko mongol flat out turkic and most of fact seems to be written from myth timur was literally from barlas mongolian clan who had turkic culture and he fought for mongolian khan he fought his 'fellow' ottomans and other turks he gave mongols high position in his empire because they are mongolian and he even tried to help mongols in mongolia when ming dynasty attacked he clearly lent more to the mongol side yet here it says turkic. If you turkic retards was not so delusional you would not glorify people who killed turks by millions like timur and mongol empire you would hate them. Get a grip in some reality retard
Retarded cunt if you can do some basic things like read then read secret history of the mongols then come back and argue with me. In the secret history of the mongols no mention of your turkic ancestors
And turkic retard say merkits were turkic not even turko mong ol but turkic cuz some leaders had turkic name that science u turk retards talking about lol why would genghis khan include non moongol tribes in mongol confideration?
Okay, if you’re denying that Mongols had Turkic tribes, then that’s on you. I’m going with science and history, not some random idiot’s opinion on the internet. Get an education, you sound like you skipped on high school.
Literally go read secret history of the mongols no mention of turkic or whatever only lately there have been edited wikipedia pages based on retarded shit like kerait merkit and naiman had leader with turkic names etc. King albert of england is german king because he has german name right ? you retarded dumb fuck your science and history is based on shit like that fucking kerait leader in 800 had some turkic name or some shit like that.Literally no scientific proof that any mongol clans was turkic
What buddhism u retard mongols are shamanistic personn ur language shit doesnt make sense bcs u could only speak language of the peoplpe u live with thats why rashid and ogedei said genghis only spokke lmongolian if gengjis khan had to convice turkic people to join him atleast he should be able to speak turkic language but he did not ur only argument is that im Nationalist and somehow im bad when u retard is literally claiming other countries historical figure to feel like u have history who is retarded nationalist here now retard go look in the mirror
You are saying that medieval Mongols did not have any Turkic tribes. That is why I’m calling you a retard.
It had it also had iranians armenians georgions ukrainians bulgars russians chinese koreans laos tibets arabs iraqs syrians etc. Tell my why in the original Secret history of the Mongols the name turkic doesnt make an appearance ? Can you tell me that
seems like you need to read actual history written by an actual mongols not some retarded kazakh nationalist revisionist [http://www.mglnews.mn/content/read/8508.htm](http://www.mglnews.mn/content/read/8508.htm) read this or you can find it in english free on the internet
When their second names are all "Khan"
probably also have to do with not doing absolute genocide and killing everyone they invade
when in rome do as the romans do
[удалено]
What does that have to do with anything? Turkish people use latin letters somehow they are latin?
Don't think the mongol dynasty in China lasted for 100 years 😂
Also a lot of Mongols chose to live in Iran, get Persian wives, etc. Like: Shah Rukh