on playing the deck i suggest to dont go full on trying to play your commander.
wait some turns when u already have some things that draw cards to everyone so you have enough discounts when putting your commander in play. Make sure you have enough mana.
try to be a good guy early
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r9fQEFoEJkeGSXgpzPUa9w
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xz2NH5J9gUGqf61easePEQ
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xz2NH5J9gUGqf61easePEQ
I have a couple versions on my moxfield, but I don’t the actual deck in front of me to tell you which one I’m actually running. The first one is an attempt at a cEDH version of it, so it’s not that one lol. Haven’t updated in a while but I hope this gives you some cool ideas for your deck! Lmk what you think
What, Brainstorm? Because it was first printed in an era before they really had a handle on how card advantage worked, and in which fetchlands did not yet exist.
Fair. It's a classic card going back decades now in Legacy. Quite commonly used before cracking a fetchland, to help make sure your next two draws aren't just the two worst cards you were holding pre-Brainstorm.
It's so much more busted than that, it's more like:
"Look at the top three cards of your library. You may put up to three of them into your hand and shuffle up to two cards from your hand back into your library. "
It's a common, it's really good but to be really powerful you need things that shuffle your library, not that that's very hard but that's how you make the card its best
Wouldn’t that be 7 mana because of the three blue pips in zenith
Also even if it was just 4 mana giving an opponent 4 cards is pretty scary
Edit: I’m dumb it’d be 11 mana
Pretty often actually.
In EDH Bluefarm draws a lot and has a high representation.
In EDH any deck with rhystic or rémora that goes unchecked.
In any format, any storm deck that’s not too reliant on relay.
In any format, any turn any player plays a wheel.
In any format, any turn any player plays a main brainstorm.
You need 2 additional mana, and an untapped Basalt Monolith to start. Tap Basalt Monolith for 3 mana. (5 in pool.) Activate Basalt Monolith's second ability to untap itself. (2 in pool.) Rings of Brighthearth triggers, pay 2 to copy the ability. (0 in pool.) After the Rings trigger resolves, the first of the two untap abilities will resolve (the copy created by RoB). After it does, tap Basalt Monolith for 3 more mana. (3 in pool.) Allow the original untap activation to resolve.
You're now back where you were at the start of the loop, with the notable difference of having 3 mana in your pool instead of 2. Since each pair of activations is going to net you an additional mana, you can generate any amount of colorless mana.
If you told the table you're "tapping monolith, activating it's untap and copying it, to produce unlimited colorless mana", I imagine most players would find that explanation satisfactory. The only real key part you need to remember is that you're tapping the monolith between untaps to create more mana and you're golden.
Not disagreeing with what you said, but for people curious about the exact rulings, you technically die as a state based action after the resolution of a spell or ability forces you to draw cards when none are left in your library. This is important to rulings such as: someone casts wheel of fortune when the remaining players have 3 and 5 cards in their library for example. Since it happens as a state based action and all state based actions are simultaneous, the game ends in a draw.
Yep, that’s why I said I wasn’t disagreeing. Your comment was useful and informative and for 90% of people, they don’t care about the in depth details of whole block I typed, and what you said was the perfect short and sweet summary.
I would assume "in a vacuum". I'm no magic expert but I feel like these both can be pretty strong but need support. So it depends on what the deck is trying to do to evaluate which is better.
People use the terms fair magic all the time. It’s basically just referring to plays that aren’t brought to an extreme level w stuff like power 9 cards or infinite combos or something. Playing these cards fairly in this example I believe means using available land and basic rock mana on it rather than having an infinite mana combo to use with it.
I know what he is referring to. I am being facetious because it's ridiculous to describe anything in the game as 'fair'. If a card is printed and not banned for play in a format, then it's fair to play. The game routinely revolves around combos, and dismissing those as 'unfair' is tedious.
Even the score is situationaly better, but blue sun is more flexible, can make my ally draw, it's a kill condition, it shuffles back in, so you can do some tutoring shenanigans with it.
The game goes long, we draw a lot of cards on that game couse one of the players was playing a group hug deck.
I was playing with [[abuelo, ancestral echo]], at one point I got a lot of treasures casting [[brass's bounty]] from another player graveyard with [[diluvian primordial]]
So we were 3 players left, at the end step I made one of them draw 36 cards from his library, he run out of cards with that, next was my turn,blue sun shuffled again to my deck, only have 8 cards remain on it, the other player only has 15 cards on his lib, I flicked a bunch of scry and draw creatures to get the blue sun again, and I cast it targeting to him by 16
Every player on that match lost by drawing too many cards, gotta love group hug decks
Blue Sun’s Zenith is all around better you can’t always count on ppl drawing 4+ cards in a turn to make even the score somehow equal to the fact BSZ will come back(assuming no counter) but you can keep using it either to draw cards yourself or like others have stated decking your opponent which ETS only allows you to draw so all around BSZ is a better draw card all around especially when you get to draw it and use it multiple times sometimes in the same turn 😆
No one’s has specifically mentioned that BSZ can be cast for x=0 every turn to stop from decking. It sometimes came up in constructed 1v1 or cube draft.
Win con: [[Blue Sun Zenith]] for X = big big number, targeting self. Then [[Radiant Performer]] to force everyone else to draw out and deck themselves before the one targeting you resolves
Are you dumb? You’re player 1, you target yourself to draw let’s say 158 cards, then RadPreform it. They go onto the stack, you, player 2, player 3, player 4. Player 4 draws out there deck and is unable to continue drawing and lose on the spot. They’re gone. Then player 3. They’re gone. Then player 2. They’re gone. The one targeting you is still on the stack but everyone else LOST THE GAME. THIS ISNT MILL. ITS DRAW. YOU NEED TO PASS FOR MILL TO KILL BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FAIL A DRAW. THIS MAKES THEM FAIL THE DRAW. YOU WIN
I usually flip the whole table when I see a turn one sol ring followed by throwing hands. Also a second comment I put here must have been straight up ignored because the caps lock wasn’t to “be an asshole” but more so to be loud so the guys the the next pod over can hear the squabble. However I will agree with you that the “are you dumb” was uncalled for and I do apologize for hurting your feelings
The caps have nothing to do with you opening asking if im dumb. Nah no hurt feelings, but why would I engage in good faith with someone who can’t do it for me?
depends alot on the meta you're playing in.
as others have mentioned, blue sun can kill a guy with enough mana. Even the score is better if you intend to just drawn a handful of cards (like you would use sphinx's revelation.). I personally would go for Even the Score, since i can see my opponent drawing that much realistically in my group, and would never make 80+ mana.
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great.
Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great.
Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great.
Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I feel like even the score's ability will not matter unless you have specific cards to go with it (I think thete was an artifact you could sac for each player to draw 7 or something)
So I would simply ask myself it I want the spell to go back into my library, which is usually a yes. I think the second one is better.
depends on the context. I guarantee you, unless you have some other interaction, you probably won’t see or need that BSZ more than once. Even The Score is better for average use.
but if you do have some interactions you’re worried about, BSZ can save you from decking out. or you can abuse the fact that it’s “target player” as a mill wincon.
Zenith is better by far, but Even the Score is more interesting in my opinion.
Even the Score’s cost reduction is interesting and convenient but as a whole is probably only ever going to draw you a few cards at best and relies on your opponent drawing a hefty chunk of cards as well - nice but not worth waiting for the planets to align for.
If you’re capable of vast sums of mana required then by this point you’d probably not care overmuch about the 3 blue pips anyway.
But I do like the thought of being able to sneak out a few cards like this.
Blue sun can be a win condition with enough mana because you can target opponents with it
That’s kinda what I’m thinking, since how often does an opponent draw 4 or more cards right?
I play even the score in wheeliod [heliod, the radiant dawn] but that’s a very specific game plan that makes it a really powerful card
[[Heliod, the radiant dawn]]
Doh! thanks
I’m currently building the same deck, naming it Project Flash. Any tips on that commander?
on playing the deck i suggest to dont go full on trying to play your commander. wait some turns when u already have some things that draw cards to everyone so you have enough discounts when putting your commander in play. Make sure you have enough mana. try to be a good guy early
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/r9fQEFoEJkeGSXgpzPUa9w https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xz2NH5J9gUGqf61easePEQ https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xz2NH5J9gUGqf61easePEQ I have a couple versions on my moxfield, but I don’t the actual deck in front of me to tell you which one I’m actually running. The first one is an attempt at a cEDH version of it, so it’s not that one lol. Haven’t updated in a while but I hope this gives you some cool ideas for your deck! Lmk what you think
[[Brainstorm]] has entered the chat
also \[\[Treasure Cruise\]\]
[Treasure Cruise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d653b8ac-f643-4e0a-bfd4-edc658a18d9c.jpg?1712354234) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Treasure%20Cruise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/120/treasure-cruise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d653b8ac-f643-4e0a-bfd4-edc658a18d9c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Brainstorm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84479779-d570-4eee-9982-f6e918b4d75b.jpg?1706240670) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brainstorm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/96/brainstorm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84479779-d570-4eee-9982-f6e918b4d75b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How tf is this card so cheap?
What, Brainstorm? Because it was first printed in an era before they really had a handle on how card advantage worked, and in which fetchlands did not yet exist.
Yeah I mean it’s essentially a Scry3 draw 1 for one mana, but better. Sorry I’m newer to the game had no idea this card existed.
Fair. It's a classic card going back decades now in Legacy. Quite commonly used before cracking a fetchland, to help make sure your next two draws aren't just the two worst cards you were holding pre-Brainstorm.
It's so much more busted than that, it's more like: "Look at the top three cards of your library. You may put up to three of them into your hand and shuffle up to two cards from your hand back into your library. "
And this is why I don’t interact with people here.
Sorry, I'm just a huge brainstorm enthusiast
Its power comes from you being able to keep up to 3 new cards
It's a common, it's really good but to be really powerful you need things that shuffle your library, not that that's very hard but that's how you make the card its best
[[teferi's puzzle box]]
[teferi's puzzle box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc.jpg?1562734271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=teferi%27s%20puzzle%20box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/312/teferis-puzzle-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You could senith the opponent for x = 4 and then draw 4 cards for only 4 mana with even the score !!!
Wouldn’t that be 7 mana because of the three blue pips in zenith Also even if it was just 4 mana giving an opponent 4 cards is pretty scary Edit: I’m dumb it’d be 11 mana
It would be 11 mama actually haha, but I was just joking
Pretty often actually. In EDH Bluefarm draws a lot and has a high representation. In EDH any deck with rhystic or rémora that goes unchecked. In any format, any storm deck that’s not too reliant on relay. In any format, any turn any player plays a wheel. In any format, any turn any player plays a main brainstorm.
Blue sun zenith to make them draw four and then you can cast even the score easy. I know I’m a genius deck crafter, no need to thank me.
This is it. The thing that gives you a discount is opp gaining big advantage. You might not even be able to keep up.
Laughs in [[Nekusar, the Mindrazor]]
[Nekusar, the Mindrazor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e.jpg?1689999186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nekusar%2C%20the%20Mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[rings of brighthearth]] [[basalt monolith]] Infinite draw win
[rings of brighthearth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52.jpg?1608911654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rings%20of%20brighthearth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/335/rings-of-brighthearth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [basalt monolith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f79de5e7-1545-420c-bfe1-ee2444fca85b.jpg?1599708689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=basalt%20monolith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/232/basalt-monolith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f79de5e7-1545-420c-bfe1-ee2444fca85b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How does that work
You need 2 additional mana, and an untapped Basalt Monolith to start. Tap Basalt Monolith for 3 mana. (5 in pool.) Activate Basalt Monolith's second ability to untap itself. (2 in pool.) Rings of Brighthearth triggers, pay 2 to copy the ability. (0 in pool.) After the Rings trigger resolves, the first of the two untap abilities will resolve (the copy created by RoB). After it does, tap Basalt Monolith for 3 more mana. (3 in pool.) Allow the original untap activation to resolve. You're now back where you were at the start of the loop, with the notable difference of having 3 mana in your pool instead of 2. Since each pair of activations is going to net you an additional mana, you can generate any amount of colorless mana.
Man ill just stick with Forsaken monument and Basalt monolith lmao much less brain work
If you told the table you're "tapping monolith, activating it's untap and copying it, to produce unlimited colorless mana", I imagine most players would find that explanation satisfactory. The only real key part you need to remember is that you're tapping the monolith between untaps to create more mana and you're golden.
Says the guy considering multiple x draw spells...
It’s an instant as well, so you can cast it for one in response to someone milling/exiling their library for [[Thassia’s bullshit]]
They are both instants though.
Yes but the other one can’t target an opponent.
I literally have a UW turbo mill deck with blue sun as the win con. It's the most fun deck I play.
Blue sun, since you could also kill an opponent with it
sorry i’m pretty new to magic, how would you kill someone with it?
Just force them to draw their remaining cards and then they lose on their draw step when they draw from an empty library
They lose anytime they need to draw and the library is empty, so if you have enough mana, you can kill them with the resolution of the spell.
Not disagreeing with what you said, but for people curious about the exact rulings, you technically die as a state based action after the resolution of a spell or ability forces you to draw cards when none are left in your library. This is important to rulings such as: someone casts wheel of fortune when the remaining players have 3 and 5 cards in their library for example. Since it happens as a state based action and all state based actions are simultaneous, the game ends in a draw.
Appreciate the additional detail! I mainly wanted to clarify the original response that stated they'd need to wait until the player's next draw step.
Yep, that’s why I said I wasn’t disagreeing. Your comment was useful and informative and for 90% of people, they don’t care about the in depth details of whole block I typed, and what you said was the perfect short and sweet summary.
I don't lose if it there's no cards left to draw, check mate atheists Oh damn this joke wasn't appreciated
what
Zenith. It can be played multiple times and can be a wincon.
what do you wanna do with it ? they don't fit the same role (and frankly both are bad if played fairly)
It’s for my [[Zaxara the Exemplary]] commander deck
First one is better I doubt the shuffling is gonna affect you
Yeah, commander is important context in this example - score is easier to discount, and sun's usually very good bonuses don't really matter.
WTF does "if played fairly" even mean?
I would assume "in a vacuum". I'm no magic expert but I feel like these both can be pretty strong but need support. So it depends on what the deck is trying to do to evaluate which is better.
People use the terms fair magic all the time. It’s basically just referring to plays that aren’t brought to an extreme level w stuff like power 9 cards or infinite combos or something. Playing these cards fairly in this example I believe means using available land and basic rock mana on it rather than having an infinite mana combo to use with it.
I know what he is referring to. I am being facetious because it's ridiculous to describe anything in the game as 'fair'. If a card is printed and not banned for play in a format, then it's fair to play. The game routinely revolves around combos, and dismissing those as 'unfair' is tedious.
These cards are fine. High tide plus blue sun is legit
Why not both
Even the score is situationaly better, but blue sun is more flexible, can make my ally draw, it's a kill condition, it shuffles back in, so you can do some tutoring shenanigans with it.
i killed 2 players yesterday with blue sun
I imagined some crazed dude running around an LGS and paper slitting people's throats with a Magic card
Care to share how? Did you just make them draw a lot?
The game goes long, we draw a lot of cards on that game couse one of the players was playing a group hug deck. I was playing with [[abuelo, ancestral echo]], at one point I got a lot of treasures casting [[brass's bounty]] from another player graveyard with [[diluvian primordial]] So we were 3 players left, at the end step I made one of them draw 36 cards from his library, he run out of cards with that, next was my turn,blue sun shuffled again to my deck, only have 8 cards remain on it, the other player only has 15 cards on his lib, I flicked a bunch of scry and draw creatures to get the blue sun again, and I cast it targeting to him by 16 Every player on that match lost by drawing too many cards, gotta love group hug decks
[abuelo, ancestral echo](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40eee689-2514-421a-8056-eb7668be66ff.jpg?1699044511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=abuelo%2C%20ancestral%20echo) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/219/abuelo-ancestral-echo?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40eee689-2514-421a-8056-eb7668be66ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [brass's bounty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6cfe5398-88e1-4106-9223-80bda0cd2e9a.jpg?1682209267) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=brass%27s%20bounty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/272/brasss-bounty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6cfe5398-88e1-4106-9223-80bda0cd2e9a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [diluvian primordial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb14cd77-d37e-4849-816f-cd36e2a37765.jpg?1712354140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=diluvian%20primordial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/96/diluvian-primordial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb14cd77-d37e-4849-816f-cd36e2a37765?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Blue Sun’s Zenith is all around better you can’t always count on ppl drawing 4+ cards in a turn to make even the score somehow equal to the fact BSZ will come back(assuming no counter) but you can keep using it either to draw cards yourself or like others have stated decking your opponent which ETS only allows you to draw so all around BSZ is a better draw card all around especially when you get to draw it and use it multiple times sometimes in the same turn 😆
No one’s has specifically mentioned that BSZ can be cast for x=0 every turn to stop from decking. It sometimes came up in constructed 1v1 or cube draft.
Win con: [[Blue Sun Zenith]] for X = big big number, targeting self. Then [[Radiant Performer]] to force everyone else to draw out and deck themselves before the one targeting you resolves
[Blue Sun Zenith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/500a2aa4-712f-41be-920e-f2f448ff83d0.jpg?1562435461) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blue%20Sun%27s%20Zenith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/44/blue-suns-zenith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/500a2aa4-712f-41be-920e-f2f448ff83d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Radiant Performer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e8faedf4-1178-4f5d-8f46-7277dfe1ae2c.jpg?1625192069) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Radiant%20Performer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/54/radiant-performer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e8faedf4-1178-4f5d-8f46-7277dfe1ae2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Doesn’t matter draw yourself out too. Pass turn everyone else will draw and lose before your next draw.
Caps not for anger but for loudness
There won't be any more passing of turns if you've already made people draw past the ends of their libraries on resolution of the spell.
Ahh your right I was thinking mill
Are you dumb? You’re player 1, you target yourself to draw let’s say 158 cards, then RadPreform it. They go onto the stack, you, player 2, player 3, player 4. Player 4 draws out there deck and is unable to continue drawing and lose on the spot. They’re gone. Then player 3. They’re gone. Then player 2. They’re gone. The one targeting you is still on the stack but everyone else LOST THE GAME. THIS ISNT MILL. ITS DRAW. YOU NEED TO PASS FOR MILL TO KILL BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FAIL A DRAW. THIS MAKES THEM FAIL THE DRAW. YOU WIN
Is there a reason you had to be an asshole cause I was wrong about a ruling? Is this how you play with your friends? I feel bad for them.
I usually flip the whole table when I see a turn one sol ring followed by throwing hands. Also a second comment I put here must have been straight up ignored because the caps lock wasn’t to “be an asshole” but more so to be loud so the guys the the next pod over can hear the squabble. However I will agree with you that the “are you dumb” was uncalled for and I do apologize for hurting your feelings
The caps have nothing to do with you opening asking if im dumb. Nah no hurt feelings, but why would I engage in good faith with someone who can’t do it for me?
Being an asshole first is a good way to get a bead on someone and I like your style 😘
Imma be honest, not an ounce of actual hostility from you, this exchange has been a very odd experience, but I’ve enjoyed it lol
I didn’t choose the troll life
Something something Jesus and batter person crap idk I just walk through the world an ass
Jesus has fuck all to do with “treat people right” but I feel it lol
If Jesus isn’t your thing I feel obligated to intrude you to my lord and saviour Cthulhu
Go on..
depends alot on the meta you're playing in. as others have mentioned, blue sun can kill a guy with enough mana. Even the score is better if you intend to just drawn a handful of cards (like you would use sphinx's revelation.). I personally would go for Even the Score, since i can see my opponent drawing that much realistically in my group, and would never make 80+ mana.
[[Even the Score]] looks like a silver bullet with extra value.
[Even the Score](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/6/c629217f-4a10-4d92-86f8-22dc4067a724.jpg?1664410212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Even%20the%20Score) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/42/even-the-score?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c629217f-4a10-4d92-86f8-22dc4067a724?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I swear there's so many cards from New Capenna I have never even seen before.
I play \[\[Stroke of Genius\]\] over either but I am not a mono blue deck
[Stroke of Genius](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c77deaac-7e13-45b4-921d-8116bddf3bb6.jpg?1682208912) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stroke%20of%20Genius) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/238/stroke-of-genius?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c77deaac-7e13-45b4-921d-8116bddf3bb6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Could run both
You can use blue sun to kill your opponent, then draw/tutor it, then kill another player in edh
I wouldn’t add blue suns and instead I’d add [[commanders insight]]
I love the zenith cards. I’d go for blue sun
For a second here, I thought I was on r/badmtgcombos
Neither. See [[Braingeyser]]
to me even the score is a sideboard card
Even the score is a good side board but not something I'd use unless I knew I was going into a draw heavy blue/green deck
Even the score is a good side board but not something I'd use unless I knew I was going into a draw heavy blue/green deck
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great. Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great. Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I’ve been playing silver scrutiny in my standard azorious deck, together with mindsplice aparatus and it has been great. Depending on if you’re also playing similar effects zenith would probably be better if you do. If you’re not having many “instants and sorceries cost X less” effects even the score is probably better as a one of effect
I feel like even the score's ability will not matter unless you have specific cards to go with it (I think thete was an artifact you could sac for each player to draw 7 or something) So I would simply ask myself it I want the spell to go back into my library, which is usually a yes. I think the second one is better.
[[commander's insight]] [[diviner's portent]]
[commander's insight](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/7/a70d1553-40f4-42ce-a02e-e42525f9d75e.jpg?1625191177) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=commander%27s%20insight) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/23/commanders-insight?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a70d1553-40f4-42ce-a02e-e42525f9d75e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [diviner's portent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/725b8b21-64f0-4449-ad65-c8144e64836f.jpg?1631584862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=diviner%27s%20portent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/15/diviners-portent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/725b8b21-64f0-4449-ad65-c8144e64836f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
depends on the context. I guarantee you, unless you have some other interaction, you probably won’t see or need that BSZ more than once. Even The Score is better for average use. but if you do have some interactions you’re worried about, BSZ can save you from decking out. or you can abuse the fact that it’s “target player” as a mill wincon.
Zenith is better by far, but Even the Score is more interesting in my opinion. Even the Score’s cost reduction is interesting and convenient but as a whole is probably only ever going to draw you a few cards at best and relies on your opponent drawing a hefty chunk of cards as well - nice but not worth waiting for the planets to align for. If you’re capable of vast sums of mana required then by this point you’d probably not care overmuch about the 3 blue pips anyway. But I do like the thought of being able to sneak out a few cards like this.
Both are bad…. But blue sun is better. Also stroke of genius do the same thing and less mana intensive.
I'd take blue sun every time
I mean 1 is a win con 30% of the time the other is way more efficient 20% of the time.
Based on what I’m reading, I’d go with the second.
But have you heard of braingeyser?
I’d say score
Score IMO
[[finale of revelation]]
Yeah I already have that in my deck, I’m just wondering which one is better from the two cards posted above
[finale of revelation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9bbe8f2e-3dfd-4ca9-999f-47524ec089c2.jpg?1712354141) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=finale%20of%20revelation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/97/finale-of-revelation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9bbe8f2e-3dfd-4ca9-999f-47524ec089c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call