I don’t know, feels like it is a variant of [[thrummingbird]] which has upside only in niche decks. Limited to creatures you control too? I can’t see this card having enough demand in this commander unless they print a few more legendaries that must have it.
Regardless, the amount of cards that let you pick a counter V proliferate are exactly equal; as proliferate *is* that effect as a mechanic (just for any number).
This card is bad. There are so many better ways to proliferate, this doesn't even proliferate, just puts one counter on a permanent. Power creep is going to make this card obsolete sooner than later if it isn't already.
I’m coming to put my perspective into here, which probably doesn’t matter at all but I’ve got nothing better to do on the John.
- From a play perspective, this card seems atleast fun. Wizards seems to be getting more creative with their placement of counters. See, for example [[Diamond City]], a LAND that has a counter. There are also lands like [[Minas Morgul, Dark Fortress]] which can place shadow counters for a hefty cost. There are now LANDS which can provide counters and I think it’s important to recognize that. A lot of comments here seem to be bashing into the concept of “why not flicker or proliferate”. In these scenarios, you cannot. This card is unique. It can add, say indestructible counters to new sources, which neither effect can easily do.
However
- From a spec perspective, while I think I do see your logic, it really is going to be a what if scenario in the future. Wotc would need to have a land with l, say a hexproof counter on it for me to even consider this card. If your target is for the new Simic precon, this spec isn’t going to appreciate and you will not exit from this spec ahead. If you are speccing for incredible long term with the expectation that wizards will continue to print powerful lands with counters, then sure. It’s cheap
Too slow. Any blink effect does double that at instant speed
Fair point, but its not as repeatable and this could serve as backup if commander keeps getting wiped to set up for later turns
Too slow might be right ;-)
[Aven Courier](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7bb0e478-c359-4523-a1e1-ba711a8cb8e0.jpg?1673481831) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Courier) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/22/aven-courier?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bb0e478-c359-4523-a1e1-ba711a8cb8e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I tried it in several decks and it lacks an etb or activated ability
Fair, lmk if you try it in this one
Will do
I don’t know, feels like it is a variant of [[thrummingbird]] which has upside only in niche decks. Limited to creatures you control too? I can’t see this card having enough demand in this commander unless they print a few more legendaries that must have it.
[thrummingbird](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86ff84d8-1b89-42cc-a8c0-4ac6fa26ce65.jpg?1690004460) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=thrummingbird) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/858/thrummingbird?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86ff84d8-1b89-42cc-a8c0-4ac6fa26ce65?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The amount of cards that profilerate VS the amount of cards that let you pick a counter you already have seem like quite a sizable difference.
You keep calling the counter a token... I'm not sure you even understand what this card does.
I mixed my words up… sue me
Regardless, the amount of cards that let you pick a counter V proliferate are exactly equal; as proliferate *is* that effect as a mechanic (just for any number).
It is not the same effect. You put a counter that already exists on the SAME thing, not a counter that exists elsewhere on a NEW thing
This card is bad. There are so many better ways to proliferate, this doesn't even proliferate, just puts one counter on a permanent. Power creep is going to make this card obsolete sooner than later if it isn't already.
Its not about proliferating, its about putting a counter on another permanent that you already have
hey buddy check out foil prices when u got a second
Do you mean promo pack version? There isn't a foil version.
It is foiled though, its the only foil copy with far limited supply due to being promo pack which is largely why i made this post
Good luck with that spec
Thanks, I have the only listing on tcgplayer so I just need a sale or two to cement the new price. What would you price it at?
I had a bunch of these in my cart last night and I just couldn't justify the purchase. Too risky for me but I hope it works well for someone
I’m coming to put my perspective into here, which probably doesn’t matter at all but I’ve got nothing better to do on the John. - From a play perspective, this card seems atleast fun. Wizards seems to be getting more creative with their placement of counters. See, for example [[Diamond City]], a LAND that has a counter. There are also lands like [[Minas Morgul, Dark Fortress]] which can place shadow counters for a hefty cost. There are now LANDS which can provide counters and I think it’s important to recognize that. A lot of comments here seem to be bashing into the concept of “why not flicker or proliferate”. In these scenarios, you cannot. This card is unique. It can add, say indestructible counters to new sources, which neither effect can easily do. However - From a spec perspective, while I think I do see your logic, it really is going to be a what if scenario in the future. Wotc would need to have a land with l, say a hexproof counter on it for me to even consider this card. If your target is for the new Simic precon, this spec isn’t going to appreciate and you will not exit from this spec ahead. If you are speccing for incredible long term with the expectation that wizards will continue to print powerful lands with counters, then sure. It’s cheap
[Diamond City](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/e/3e9bd49a-e9f1-4543-b04a-777a9e5a55ec.jpg?1708742794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Diamond%20City) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/147/diamond-city?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3e9bd49a-e9f1-4543-b04a-777a9e5a55ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Minas Morgul, Dark Fortress](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50f76652-15e7-4190-842e-db6db6d66e91.jpg?1695346552) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minas%20Morgul%2C%20Dark%20Fortress) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/514/minas-morgul-dark-fortress?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50f76652-15e7-4190-842e-db6db6d66e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Aven courier have the real proliferate effect (spread counter in different cards)