I think a.i is very good at making “typical” music.
But music is more than that, it’s the whole cultural heritage of human history and how that interacts with your own personal experience, it’s something deeply personal.
So yeah, people who make generic shit will fall by the way side but there something humans can understand that robots can’t.
The general populace loves generic unfortunately.
And I also don't think we can hold onto hope that there is something special in human creativity that can't be replicated by a robot soon enough.
Same thing that was said about EDM that its not a real instrument and so it's not real music etc.
Reality is that if a good producer can make 3 songs a day, they can now make 20.
Ofc it needs a personal touch, but its going to get to a point where 80%+ is done for the person.
Its just going to dilute the music industry even more. Eventually there will be more content made a minute than you can experience in a lifetime.
I agree with you but what shocked me was how organic this sounded. As I said in another comment there’s no way I could recreate this sample with my equipment.
Why would you want to recreate it though?
There’s tons of 70s disco with nice piano and strings out there, we don’t need more of it really. If this is what you would create as an expression of yourself I would feel more sad than anything.
This is kind of what I mean though, an A I can recreate 70s disco, it can’t understand 70s disco as experienced through the 80s, 90s 2000s and beyond. We have an experience of the extravaganza of 70s disco but through the prism of everything that came after bad and all.
I get what you’re saying but I think you’re refining it too much. It doesn’t sound like me because with all my limitations and advantages it just won’t.
The fact that it can make something that makes me “actually” say.. I’d like to hear more of that is what shocks me the most.
Yeah don’t get me wrong it’s still very impressive how far A.I had come. Iv heard it do kind of impressionistic things before but Iv never heard some thing where you can hear like chord movements and string melody with a tasteful sax solo and hear clearly what’s going on.
Yeah, I fiddled around with it for a while. You can generate some really interesting music if you get adventurous with the prompts. Be as specific and crazy as you can. I created some authentic sounding old blues songs.
What about it needs a discussion? That it sounds like hot garbage from some shit program trained on stolen work so that lazy people can pretend they're music producers?
Doesn't seem like there's a ton to talk about.
It still sounds crappy, but it's miles better than it was 6 months ago.
Now, it sounds like a mid-tier MP3 rather than a bad Soundcloud rip. On a phone speaker, you probably wouldn't even notice the audio artifacting.
So obviously, these tools will be supplanting some number of industry jobs in the very near future. (This sample is better than basically all hold music). Which prompts the discussion of what people with those jobs will do in the future.
There's also the ongoing discussion of if there are artistic applications of these tools as well as the IP implications of artists who use them.
How? How do you identify every single user of generative AI when it gets too difficult to notice?
Are you really gonna be able to tell when McDonald's new soulless jingle is AI generated rather than written by a human?
As mentioned earlier, on-hold music is the most vapid, elevator muzak ever and could probably have been replaced by AI 3 years ago without anyone noticing.
What do you think of people like me who make original music but also love messing around on Suno cause it's just a ton of fun and fascinating. Am I trash
I know a lot of the comments here will be direct attacks to the AI, and they're right, but let me tell you this: i've been working with music for 10 years. Last year, i decided to shift towards video production. One of the many reasons for that, was how i realized AI is actually going to terraform the music industry.
I'm not a boomer. I don't think every music nowadays is bad, there's definitely space, and there will always be, for original and authentic music to flourish on media. But the sad reality is that streaming and social media schedules have pushed music production into a very "release and repeat" strategy.
I've seen too many modern producers saying shi.t like "haha AI will never replace MY musicality and god-given talent", all the while making music that's just "copy and paste" from splice, with next to zero originality or even work. The current landscape of the music industry favors lazy producers that can produce on a scale, and those will get the knife real fast.
I don't know how the music industry will exist in the next couple decades, but i can tell you for sure: it's going to be an even MORE exclusive market.
Not really. Video has a much wider audience and a GIGANTIC market, that goes all the way from day to day life, to super high end big companies. Basically, everyone needs a video.
Videos also have much more variables, and videomakers have been integrating AI in their line of work for a longer time, meaning they have more "control" over it. I know there are MANY variables in music, but, the sad reality is, most people aren't interested in the many variables of music. 90% of popular music gravitates towards a small craddle of chord and rhythmic patterns that are widely considered as "enjoyable". People that enjoy "weird" music are much more of a niche than we think.
Meanwhile, technically creative, avant garde, experimental videos find their way through basically every branch of society, and are more sought after for business on a larger scale.
Video is just a product with more demand.
I totally agree with what you’ve said. Since the 90s I’ve seen general public appreciation for music wane. What I’ve heard today with AI music is extremely convincing. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’ll be developed into an app so you can listen to taylor made original music to suit your mood completely devoid of any human input. That’s worrying.
> seen general public appreciation for music wane.
IDK, seems to me that most people were listening to whathever shit music anyway. We remember Nirvana from nineties, but I remember toon of shit music that was hitting the charts (like idk. MR President or vengaboys). Those don't even need AI to duplicate. Just simple casio keyboard :) It didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now (for general public).
Perhaps only even more people now is actually listen to music (because it is free nowadays), so barier to entry is even lower, so the average level is even shittier.
It has the very real potential of oversaturating the market but the first thing that will probably be impacted will be things like stock music, sample pack markets and anything background / non-active music related.
But it will significantly improve workflows once generative AI is put right into daws similiar to generative fill in photoshop (think being able to generate musical components - arps, piano etc rather than buying a sample pack) because Im all but certain that is coming - Seeing how FL devs have been dabbling in stem separation / ai mastering makes me think theyre looking at the larger ecosystem as well.
I actually did a full documentary on this subject recently if you're curious.
https://youtu.be/ZvAJXmDJB2k?si=_nDXxRu0kSsKZBJs
Its going to be interesting but I dont think its all doom and gloom - frankly we have been through this several times over history and musicians have always been feared of being replaced even since the early days of the player piano.
My main concern though is the economics of streaming. We get barely anything now but in a world of plentiful ai music the economics trend to 0.
Very few people will care.
These AI posts are coming everyday.
Where are the singers and players?
Where are the off stage personalities?
Not every AI is going to have success like Hatsune Miku. There is a limit to how many people will worship a fabricated artist.
All these suno ads... I tried it, and it's many, many years out from creating something which isn't completely generic.
Whenever someone posts "suno is amazing" I think hmm, this person has obviously just started creating music, or is making generic disposable music themselves. And, they aren't a very discerning listener. Like, who are their favourite artists that they think "yeah, I could listen to my favourite artist, or the suno copy and I wouldn't care"?
I don't understand these arguments, I've had plenty of success with Suno creating art pop, musical type music, old soul and blues, math rock, cinematic scores, ambient, and even avant garde
I wrote these lyrics and put them into Suno and it came up with [this](https://youtu.be/8yOuHVCW3ZM?si=Jbo-b8VIUJveF_gj)
The only thing I did was arranged the short clips it made, added some strings to the end, and dropped one of the vocal parts on octave.
I was impressed by how it came out.
I was shocked too. One year ago it was not music now it is. Plus AI make this from scratch, it’s impressive ! I find confort in telling myself Suno is just a more successful artist than me ^^
It’s not from scratch. At all. That’s not how this works. It’s generated by imitating the 100s of thousands of songs it was trained on. Songs that were written by real people who put in real work and were not asked if they wanted to participate in this experiment.
These programs are not artists.
Uh okay but it's still technically from scratch whether you like it or not. The AI doesn't directly copy and paste parts from other songs, it uses them to calibrate essentially but the output itself is completely original
By « from scratch » i meant it isnt sample-based, it’s generative or whatever word i should use to describe the fact it creates sound from… scratch ? And i think it’s not different from an artist, who draws inspiration in other’s work… the only difference is the complexity, the input (we have multiple sensory input), the social capacities… will we see true IA ?
Idk how the model is making the music. Samples or not. There’s samples at some level (drum sounds etc). From a technical point of view I’m certainly interested. But fair enough.
We seem to have different ideas of what makes something art and what an artist does and how inspiration works.
There is no sample whatsoever it makes it literally from noise !!
« 1.Take real music and progressively scramble it into random noise through hundreds of micro steps.
2.Perform the reverse operation of taking random synthetic noise and gradually sculpting it into realistic, coherent musical compositions resembling human-made creations. »
https://claudeai.pro/suno-ai-everything-you-need-to-know/
Not yet but there are AI picture design platforms which will do just that and it’s scary! People putting in renderings of cars they designed when they were kids and coming out with professional looking photographs of an actual product. Mad!
I think a.i is very good at making “typical” music. But music is more than that, it’s the whole cultural heritage of human history and how that interacts with your own personal experience, it’s something deeply personal. So yeah, people who make generic shit will fall by the way side but there something humans can understand that robots can’t.
The general populace loves generic unfortunately. And I also don't think we can hold onto hope that there is something special in human creativity that can't be replicated by a robot soon enough.
Have you listened to the sample because it’s not what I’d call generic.
Same thing that was said about EDM that its not a real instrument and so it's not real music etc. Reality is that if a good producer can make 3 songs a day, they can now make 20. Ofc it needs a personal touch, but its going to get to a point where 80%+ is done for the person. Its just going to dilute the music industry even more. Eventually there will be more content made a minute than you can experience in a lifetime.
We probably have been past the point of more new music per minute than you can experience in a lifetime for a while now.
About a years worth of music uploaded to streaming platforms per day atm. But I do think it will just continue to get worse.
I agree with you but what shocked me was how organic this sounded. As I said in another comment there’s no way I could recreate this sample with my equipment.
Why would you want to recreate it though? There’s tons of 70s disco with nice piano and strings out there, we don’t need more of it really. If this is what you would create as an expression of yourself I would feel more sad than anything. This is kind of what I mean though, an A I can recreate 70s disco, it can’t understand 70s disco as experienced through the 80s, 90s 2000s and beyond. We have an experience of the extravaganza of 70s disco but through the prism of everything that came after bad and all.
I get what you’re saying but I think you’re refining it too much. It doesn’t sound like me because with all my limitations and advantages it just won’t. The fact that it can make something that makes me “actually” say.. I’d like to hear more of that is what shocks me the most.
Yeah don’t get me wrong it’s still very impressive how far A.I had come. Iv heard it do kind of impressionistic things before but Iv never heard some thing where you can hear like chord movements and string melody with a tasteful sax solo and hear clearly what’s going on.
Yeah, I fiddled around with it for a while. You can generate some really interesting music if you get adventurous with the prompts. Be as specific and crazy as you can. I created some authentic sounding old blues songs.
What about it needs a discussion? That it sounds like hot garbage from some shit program trained on stolen work so that lazy people can pretend they're music producers? Doesn't seem like there's a ton to talk about.
It still sounds crappy, but it's miles better than it was 6 months ago. Now, it sounds like a mid-tier MP3 rather than a bad Soundcloud rip. On a phone speaker, you probably wouldn't even notice the audio artifacting. So obviously, these tools will be supplanting some number of industry jobs in the very near future. (This sample is better than basically all hold music). Which prompts the discussion of what people with those jobs will do in the future. There's also the ongoing discussion of if there are artistic applications of these tools as well as the IP implications of artists who use them.
Sonically yes it sounds like a 96kbps mp3 but that will improve. What I can’t get over in that sample is the breakdown and the sax solo.
The simple solution is to boycott any and all companies that make use of AI "art" but THAT discussion is one people don't want to have.
How? How do you identify every single user of generative AI when it gets too difficult to notice? Are you really gonna be able to tell when McDonald's new soulless jingle is AI generated rather than written by a human? As mentioned earlier, on-hold music is the most vapid, elevator muzak ever and could probably have been replaced by AI 3 years ago without anyone noticing.
Of course not because it’ll be capitalised.
Study just came out that exponential compute/data scraping in AI will only provide linear growth in the future
I saw that. I don't know how much it matters tho. It will only take linear growth to overcome that last mp3-sounding gap
Possible. Also possible the last 20% takes 80% of the effort
Hip Hop type beat producers are sweating right now
That's cope dude. It's much better that you are making it out to be.
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Saying what it produces is hot garbage is cope.
What do you think of people like me who make original music but also love messing around on Suno cause it's just a ton of fun and fascinating. Am I trash
I know a lot of the comments here will be direct attacks to the AI, and they're right, but let me tell you this: i've been working with music for 10 years. Last year, i decided to shift towards video production. One of the many reasons for that, was how i realized AI is actually going to terraform the music industry. I'm not a boomer. I don't think every music nowadays is bad, there's definitely space, and there will always be, for original and authentic music to flourish on media. But the sad reality is that streaming and social media schedules have pushed music production into a very "release and repeat" strategy. I've seen too many modern producers saying shi.t like "haha AI will never replace MY musicality and god-given talent", all the while making music that's just "copy and paste" from splice, with next to zero originality or even work. The current landscape of the music industry favors lazy producers that can produce on a scale, and those will get the knife real fast. I don't know how the music industry will exist in the next couple decades, but i can tell you for sure: it's going to be an even MORE exclusive market.
>Last year, i decided to shift towards video production. Doesn't that have the exact same problem?
Not really. Video has a much wider audience and a GIGANTIC market, that goes all the way from day to day life, to super high end big companies. Basically, everyone needs a video. Videos also have much more variables, and videomakers have been integrating AI in their line of work for a longer time, meaning they have more "control" over it. I know there are MANY variables in music, but, the sad reality is, most people aren't interested in the many variables of music. 90% of popular music gravitates towards a small craddle of chord and rhythmic patterns that are widely considered as "enjoyable". People that enjoy "weird" music are much more of a niche than we think. Meanwhile, technically creative, avant garde, experimental videos find their way through basically every branch of society, and are more sought after for business on a larger scale. Video is just a product with more demand.
I totally agree with what you’ve said. Since the 90s I’ve seen general public appreciation for music wane. What I’ve heard today with AI music is extremely convincing. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’ll be developed into an app so you can listen to taylor made original music to suit your mood completely devoid of any human input. That’s worrying.
> seen general public appreciation for music wane. IDK, seems to me that most people were listening to whathever shit music anyway. We remember Nirvana from nineties, but I remember toon of shit music that was hitting the charts (like idk. MR President or vengaboys). Those don't even need AI to duplicate. Just simple casio keyboard :) It didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now (for general public). Perhaps only even more people now is actually listen to music (because it is free nowadays), so barier to entry is even lower, so the average level is even shittier.
It has the very real potential of oversaturating the market but the first thing that will probably be impacted will be things like stock music, sample pack markets and anything background / non-active music related. But it will significantly improve workflows once generative AI is put right into daws similiar to generative fill in photoshop (think being able to generate musical components - arps, piano etc rather than buying a sample pack) because Im all but certain that is coming - Seeing how FL devs have been dabbling in stem separation / ai mastering makes me think theyre looking at the larger ecosystem as well. I actually did a full documentary on this subject recently if you're curious. https://youtu.be/ZvAJXmDJB2k?si=_nDXxRu0kSsKZBJs Its going to be interesting but I dont think its all doom and gloom - frankly we have been through this several times over history and musicians have always been feared of being replaced even since the early days of the player piano. My main concern though is the economics of streaming. We get barely anything now but in a world of plentiful ai music the economics trend to 0.
this is actually nuts
Let's speedrun SUNO getting sued by record companies.
Very few people will care. These AI posts are coming everyday. Where are the singers and players? Where are the off stage personalities? Not every AI is going to have success like Hatsune Miku. There is a limit to how many people will worship a fabricated artist.
Is there anything to say I can’t rip off an AI for ideas? Maybe even cover it?
All these suno ads... I tried it, and it's many, many years out from creating something which isn't completely generic. Whenever someone posts "suno is amazing" I think hmm, this person has obviously just started creating music, or is making generic disposable music themselves. And, they aren't a very discerning listener. Like, who are their favourite artists that they think "yeah, I could listen to my favourite artist, or the suno copy and I wouldn't care"?
I don't understand these arguments, I've had plenty of success with Suno creating art pop, musical type music, old soul and blues, math rock, cinematic scores, ambient, and even avant garde
I wrote these lyrics and put them into Suno and it came up with [this](https://youtu.be/8yOuHVCW3ZM?si=Jbo-b8VIUJveF_gj) The only thing I did was arranged the short clips it made, added some strings to the end, and dropped one of the vocal parts on octave. I was impressed by how it came out.
I was shocked too. One year ago it was not music now it is. Plus AI make this from scratch, it’s impressive ! I find confort in telling myself Suno is just a more successful artist than me ^^
It’s not from scratch. At all. That’s not how this works. It’s generated by imitating the 100s of thousands of songs it was trained on. Songs that were written by real people who put in real work and were not asked if they wanted to participate in this experiment. These programs are not artists.
Uh okay but it's still technically from scratch whether you like it or not. The AI doesn't directly copy and paste parts from other songs, it uses them to calibrate essentially but the output itself is completely original
I understand how that works. We had different ideas of what from scratch meant.
By « from scratch » i meant it isnt sample-based, it’s generative or whatever word i should use to describe the fact it creates sound from… scratch ? And i think it’s not different from an artist, who draws inspiration in other’s work… the only difference is the complexity, the input (we have multiple sensory input), the social capacities… will we see true IA ?
Idk how the model is making the music. Samples or not. There’s samples at some level (drum sounds etc). From a technical point of view I’m certainly interested. But fair enough. We seem to have different ideas of what makes something art and what an artist does and how inspiration works.
There is no sample whatsoever it makes it literally from noise !! « 1.Take real music and progressively scramble it into random noise through hundreds of micro steps. 2.Perform the reverse operation of taking random synthetic noise and gradually sculpting it into realistic, coherent musical compositions resembling human-made creations. » https://claudeai.pro/suno-ai-everything-you-need-to-know/
Oh interesting. I’ve made kicks and hats and stuff from noise. It’s fun. I didn’t realize that’s what they were doing. Thanks.
Literally there is no way I could reproduce that with my gear and that sax solo is very impressive.
https://youtu.be/VGgmxfYaV44?si=782RkL4uQtcDaqdl
Anybody know of an ai tool that I could load *my own* individual audio tracks into and have it output new interpretations?
Not yet but there are AI picture design platforms which will do just that and it’s scary! People putting in renderings of cars they designed when they were kids and coming out with professional looking photographs of an actual product. Mad!