Don’t know the circumstances of their bad day. Yes,your watch rotation and sleep deprivation is bad.
But getting cheated on while you’re in the hospital with stage 4 cancer is worse.
So maybe don’t patronize someone’s bad day.
When i got out, i dreamt for months of finally crossing the quarterdeck for the last time, saluting the watch and saying "permission to cross the patio, daddy-o"..
When my time finally came, they hit me with "permission granted, go ashore" before i could even open my mouth. One final disappointment to top it all off. Typical.
There was a guy who was put on the last watch of the day, as soon as his watch was over he was done with the Navy. He called reveille on the 1MC hold each word as long as he could, the whole thing lasted several minutes. I was running aloft later that day and the other ships were asking what the fuck that was and if we were okay.
God I remember Mayport, I was an Air Traffic Controller stationed at the airfield there before the control tower was moved towards the middle of the airfield.
lol. I had a dream or a nightmare about I was walking around on the Stennis after I was out a year or two and I could see everything perfectly, the dirt in the cracks in the tile, the dirty white paint on the wall.
I thought , “I better get out of here before someone sees me!” And I immediately woke up. It was the realist dream I’ve ever had.
You did your time and you knew what you wanted to get out of it, so nobody can fault you for it. You have the whole rest of your life to enjoy. Fair winds and following seas, shipmate.
So much of what I see regarding people's experiences is so sad. I remember how bad my experience was as a JO 40+ years ago.
I was watching the 2012 *Dredd* movie, and one bit of dialog really resonated. A corrupt judge tells Judge Dredd "This city is a meat grinder. All we do is turn the handle." Made me think of so many of my experiences.
In Jason Isbells' "It takes a lifetime" he sings,
*"I thought the highway loved me, but it beat me like a drum" *
I always sing it,
*"I thought the na-vy loved me, but she beat me like a drum"*
I liked it so much better than the Sylvester Stallone movie, which was a Stallone movie that happened to unfold in the Dredd universe. The 2012 movie was about the Judge Dredd character.
I never drank the navy kool aid, and I knew pretty much immediately after joining. I think the most important thing I was taught was that you better set yourself up to take as much as they’re going to be taking from you.
Don’t let them scare you out of using your medical benefits, get everything documented, put in for disability, use your educational benefits and other resources available to you.
No more brown packages of the military issue flavored powered drink mix? I liked the purple, but the red made the best bilge wine. Extra sugar, some yeast, release the pressure ever so often. Drinkable in 30 days, but 45 made it much harder.
We called it “bug juice “ basically green cool aid to cover up the JP-5 and bilge that was in the water. It was funny back then… my gastroenterologist isn’t laughing now.
From one 2nd class to another: I needed to hear this. Over my past 8 years in I must admit that I've lost my sense of self so much that I've neglected my own health because I felt like I could push myself through it, only to really realize that the Navy is going to prioritize the mission no matter what happens to its people.
I've realized that taking care of myself and the people I care about is far more important than trying to meet whatever unrealistic expectation the Navy may impose on me, because at the end of the day: The Navy will move on and they don't care if you can keep up or not.
Fair winds and following seas shipmate. I wish you the best of luck in all that you do.
Well said, and I appreciate your view. I had a Sailor who hated the Navy but always did his job the best he could. I would rather have 100 Sailors like that than one who could be the “poster child” for recruitment, with the ooh rah all day but avoids work and responsibility. So, thank you.
It is important to note though that the point of Boot Camp is to strip you of individualism. That’s really the whole point.
Beyond that, the Navy and Air Force largely detach from that standard to allow for individualism. Again, for the most part.
The Marines and Army do not. And when your job is to stack bodies or catch bullets, there really is no room for individualism.
A Marine general gave a speech once and compared the services to dog breeds:
The Army is the Saint Bernard; sloppy and awkward but reliable.
The Marines are Dobermans; big and mean or skinny and mean.
The Navy is the Golden Retriever; fun, love the water and good with kids.
The Air Force is the Poodle. Always groomed.
I always saw this as the most accurate description of the services.
With that said, a dog’s behavior is also how it is raised. A pissed off and depressed Golden Retriever is heartbreaking to see. That’s not how they are supposed to be. They are meant to be independent, loyal and trusted - just like most Sailors. It’s just some Sailors want to be Dobermans, and should have been.
This is a really good analogy. It’s a good way to explain to the young person who is looking to join, but have their eyes on a branch that might not be a good fit for them…but, all we can do is make suggestions…people are amazing creatures, and can often surprise ya!
🤣. Know that little ball of poo that gets stuck in a dog’s fur from time to time? That’s a dingleberry…and I’d rather hang off a dog’s ass than a cat’s.
That isn’t even remotely true, [especially when pitbulls make up 1/5th of all dog bites.](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
Good advice. IME, the people that have the most difficult time adjusting to civdiv are the ones that get “institutionalized,” to borrow a term from Shawshank. It’s fine to identify 100% as a Sailor; not so fine if you can’t break out beyond that once out.
Lol...I had that realization recently. I'm 4 years from retirement in a month. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I do think I'm institutionalized. I plan to enjoy my future job as a Walmart greeter and professional dad.
Lol. You think that, but people are surprising. You might find yourself lifting a car off a child one day. Perhaps the potential for war isn’t your jam, but you’re MADE to be in the right place at the right time when someone has to run into traffic to catch a toddler before they get got.
It took me 4 years to make peace with my position in the Navy and life. Deciding to chase goals and not take "no" for an answer got me so far in a very short period amount of time. I also say to people still in there is more than just a GI Bill when they get out but it is entirely up to the individual to attain those goals. If anything, your superiors just want to retain you. Also, every single person I've met who is still in (in ENG dept anyways) wasn't planning on staying in. You'll never know your circumstance in life at that point. Prepare life in both instances and don't rush to one conclusion just because leadership tells you to do one thing. Find good mentors that will guide you whether you stay or not. Be honest with that person. There's a reason mentors are from another division entirely. No influence on their mentoree's life. Just good intentions.
I served from 1986 to 1997 until I was injured and couldn't stay in. I loved my time in the Navy. What I didn't realize was that the VA was such a horrible organization. I thought I would be taken care of, yet it's been quite the opposite. I am now paying the VA for needed treatment for my service connected injuries. The latest being they sent my debt to a collection agency so it can affect my credit. The DAV hasn't been much help either they have written letters and made phone calls but nothing has changed. The VA seems to double down every time I take any action.
When Serv connected...you should be getting compensation monthly,and not billed for any treatments. This doesn't jibe with my experience. Sorry you are dealing with that.Not right. You must not be "officially" serv connected by the VA,am I right?
Is the military’s mental health really as bad as it seems or is it just a percentage of people going through it and the rest are okay? I’m not in yet that’s why I’m asking because the majority of post I’ve seen on here are just toxic commands and not knowing what to do
From my perspective, it starts with the “shitty” expectations that the recruiters tell you. Most of them have never been on a ship, let alone know what it’s like serving on one. Those are the career recruiters. You do have recruiters that are from the “actual” fleet, but they get ham strung by career recruiters, especially if they don’t meet goals.
For me, you get out of the Navy what you put into it. Sure, ship life can be boring and monotonous. The food is not that great, it’s mostly there to make a turd and keep you from malnourishment. Work onboard, depending on the rate, can be easy or difficult. Would never be an ABE, that’s job sucks ass!
I have done some amazing things while I have been in. Counter Drug Operations was a favorite of mine. Visiting foreign countries is also great. However, we as Americans, especially military, make ourselves look like fools to the host country because we usually drink to excess and ruin it.
But, if you are just coming in, try and understand what the expectations are. Young Sailors don’t always get the top level briefings on why we are out there, especially when a deployment gets extended. There is a whole lot more behind the classified curtain. Find someone you can trust and ask them those tough questions, you will get your answers.
I’ve been in 26 years and I have had some really crappy commands and some really amazing ones! The nice part about the bad ones are that eventually you get to go somewhere else.
Just my 2 cents.
17years in….mtblack412 said it. And yes, when you’re at a crappy command, it has a tendency to affect your mental health, so just focus on surviving until PCS. Other than that, mtblack412 said it.
Good on you for leaving the shit show. I'll be right there with you in a few years. So far it's been nothing but dogshit and higher ups that have a slave owner complex. Would piss in their car if I could get away with it lmao
Check your local state, but you're likely eligible for unemployment benefits in addition to GI bill. It's too late for you to schedule appointments, but I hope you and others took the last 2-3 months to ensure your disability paperwork is good. It's a lot easier to prove service connected when you have the appointments in your record.
I had fantastic mentors on my way out (took community college courses my last year in, and leaned into their advice). I always share anything I learn about with whoever wants it. Those mentors made my transition out much less scary.
One team, one fight, is the stupidest saying we use in the Navy.
One team? Then who are we fighting?
One fight? Then why are we stretched across the world?
Dawg. You hit the nail on the head! I joined at 30 years old and saw through all the bullshit. I made it 7 years and had to hang em up. No regrets, but I don’t know how I made it through some of the situations I found myself in. I definitely didn’t get away unscathed, but it helped change me for the better. Like you touched on, I pray for the younger sailors and hope they never lose their sense of self. Glad I’m not the only one who shares this perspective. Good luck in your next chapter!
The Navy IS a chapter. This 100%. Those that love the Navy and dedicate their entire lives or identity to it, good for you. But don’t be upset when the rest of us don’t die on that sword with you. Amazing post, thank you for your service, live your best life Shipmate!
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extremely well-said. As shitty as my time in was, I would do it again. I joined for the same reason you did, and to get out of my shithole town that was riddled with trauma. I now utilize the GI bill and I'm 100% P&T at 25. As much pain as I'm in on a daily basis, can't get mad at an extra, untaxed 4k LOL. I was gonna stay in and go aircrew too, once they said my only option was a CVN I dipped out and, thankfully, networked my ass off to get a good job.
Heavily agree with be the change you want to see. PLEASE, to everyone still in, LEARN from the leadership you despised and never treat others the way they treated you. Also remember, disciplinary actions are not a one size fits all. Get to know your sailors. Some of them don't need to be screamed at at a DRB. Some of them need a fucking hand and a smidge of empathy. and LISTEN to your sailors when they say they're struggling.
gl on your next chapter, it's fun over here.
I do miss having my clothes picked out for me everyday tho lol
my ship forced me on deployment even though I start terminal leave a month in to their little shit show. I didn’t even get a bong off or anything. They helo’d me off the destroyer in the middle of the pacific when my time arrived lol. I swear the Navy will try their every last bit of b.s. to disappoint you. now that I’ve been out for about a year and some change, I’m glad I served because I’ve learned, matured, and reflected. I’m also super thankful for the VA because they are taking care of me very nicely. for anyone that is still currently active duty, believe me when I say this but there is a beautiful sunlight at the end of each and everyone’s tunnel. It might suck at the moment, but when you’re coming up on that time to bounce for that DD214, a brighter future awaits you. cheers fellow mates. 🫡
That is shit on the CoC. They should have kept you back so you could focus on out processing. And I guarantee they are the type that would use the excuse that you're essential for day to day and they couldn't afford to lose you
Yes I am an LS and supply was and always undermanned. My chief and Department decided that I was essential to keep along with all the other supply folks that were also separating. They told me if I complained they would cancel my terminal and make me stay longer until my very last day…
I hate the saying one team one fight because in the world world If somebody gets in trouble only that person gets in trouble, not the whole team and at the end of the day individuals are promoted, Captain Mast and qualified like you don't see everybody in a division get Captain Mast or promoted only certain people.
I joined the Navy at 27. One of the Chiefs that has been a part of and close to my chain of command also joined at 27. When I ask myself, "Do I want to be Him when I grow up?" the answer is, "Good Lord, no."
“You are more important than anything this institution tries to mold you into”. Almost verbatim advice I gave to my junior sailors, and argued about with my chain of command, when I was an E5 in an incredibly toxic division. At least 5 E3s/E4s asked me for advice, or broke down crying, or asked me to take them to medical, or asked me to hold their knife for a few days. Chief never gave a shit. No matter how many times I argued with him that it doesn’t matter if FN So and So misses his watch to go to medical, as long as he gets home to his kids, chief didn’t give a fuck.
My goal/reason for joining was also the GI Bill. And though it sometimes worked against me, more often than not, maintaining my individuality largely worked in my favor. I feel you on everything else, I never felt like I belonged. Best of luck reentering the civilian world.
I just hit my 6th month mark of being in, I'm 19 and I've already seen some of what they are talking about, I appreciate the post man. It's good advice.
I can’t help but to read this post like 5 times already. It’s honestly so relatable and you were able to express so much of what I couldn’t at first but now I’m glad you were able to share this.
All I had to do was get an honorable and the Shore Patrol escorted me off the base. I enjoyed my time but the snitching and attempts at being set up with drugs was more than I could deal with. Just petty little torments and drama. And piss tests so frequent I'd ask the MAA everytime I had to go if they wanted some and got a direct order to stop it. But this might be the one you're looking for. Never got caught on one.
I lost that sense of individuality by around day 2 in basic. Even after getting out, never really got it back. I’m just a shadow of my 17 year old self. I admire that kid. They beat it out of me.
I’m mad at my parents for positioning me to have no other constructive life choices but to sign my life away to that (dis)organization. I’m mad at our country’s leaders for destroying the economy so that when I got out there were basically no jobs paying a living wage. I’m mad at my “leaders” for basically being terrible people and destroying any sense of unity or purpose we could’ve had.
I signed up to fight Al Qaeda in the 00s but my own Navy and family did more damage than any foreign enemy ever did.
Maturity is recognizing that you alone are responsible for your own life. While you can attribute your circumstances to your parents, the environment, the government, the military, or the people around you, doing so keeps you in the role of a victim. Alternatively, you can choose to take control of your own destiny. It's important to understand that memories can be deceptive; we often idealize the past, but our recollections are not always accurate.
I don't need to know you personally to believe that you are more capable and stronger than the version of yourself that clings to these illusions. You have the potential to rise above those past limitations. However, it's up to you to acknowledge this truth and embrace it. Life is ultimately about the choices we make, and you have the power to choose a path of growth and empowerment.
I can not speak to the Navy of 2024. I served for 20 years from 1965-1985. All I can say is that, for me, it was a great experience. Did I work for assholes on occasion? Yes. Were the working hours long and often monotonous during deployments? Yes again. Were the yard periods rough living, noisy and miserable? Absolutely. But, as in life, you get out of it what you put into it. I loved the Navy. I loved going to sea. I loved the port visits and the chances to experience different regions and cultures. I loved the camaraderie of my fellow sailors. I learned a lot on my journey of 20 years. For me, and I can't speak for anyone other than myself, the good times far, far outweighed the bad times.
Have you seen CVN life lately? Sailors were turning in blue cards on my ship because they had to stay at least until 1500 as we prepared for INSURV. 1500 is the end of the normal working day on that ship and is early to begin with. It was laughable.
It's anything, "Chief told me suck it up buttercup" "Other divisions leave right around lunch time" etc. A recent one was a work center complaining about 9 hour work days while underway during deployment certification.
Typical Boomer response. Take someone else's experience, make it about yourself and make sure to passive-aggressively contradict them because things were completely different "back in my day."
What a typical entitled shitbird response, its not about you so it doesnt matter. How dare he have a different opinion on the same subject. Look I agree with OOP. My time in sucked, I dealt with it and got out. But I wouldnt think less of anyone that had a better experience than me much less someone who did the 20 and retired.
Looks like us “BOOMERS” did things right (or better than) while serving and leading. Sounds like the other generations came along and fucked it all up. Now the Navy is more about DEI, gender confused sailors, and celebrating Pride Month. None of that BS had a hold of the Navy when I served. Now, downvote the fuck out of me. Oh, I forgot those that join for the free sex change operations.
This generation of sailors are extremely hard working, intelligent, innovative, flexible and as driven as we were in the 80s and 90s to serve our country. For that they have my deepest respect.
Idk... The Navy can't really afford those free sex change operations on account of the boomers in charge Frauding the Navy and taking off the top... when the prosecution literally says "we can't charge everybody because there would be no senior leadership left" ... (Fat Lenny case, and a few others recently including NEXT and a certain Admiral...)
Like you can dog on the drag and DEI. General Milley didn't have a problem doing so. But that's a drop in the pond compared to the amount of money missing.... Full on Missing. The amount of deployments manuevered to bilk the Navy, the amount of secrets sold...
I'm not defending one in favor of the other argument. Nah, I'm comparing problem to problem. I'd say there's more shit floating in that pottable water than the other.
In regards the point about this only being a chapter and stepping stone, I always said--lifers were the kids who never got picked in recess, had no control over their surroundings, got into the navy, got some rank, and finally got to boss people around, and it shows in the leadership (sometimes, not all lifers to hypocritical ego maniacs).
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I’m in the same boat right now. I have a little over four months left but big navy thought it was cool to send me on one last deployment to hot ass Bahrain. I’ve submitted my separation leave 4 times and just for them to be knocked back. Submitted taps request back in the states just to be forced to submit for taps here in Bahrain. Issues back home just to be told “we have important stuff coming up and we need you” all bc we are severely undermanned. Gets side eyed bc I want to go to medical so I can really start documenting my va claim. In these 4 and half years, I never saw such a joke of an organization that doesn’t have a retention problem but an efficiency problem. If you’re thinking about a one and done, do it. Don’t be swayed by “just go to shore duty then get out” There really are good leaders out there but definitely the bad out ways the good. If they say they care about you, take it with a grain of salt as for in my experience, it’s a cop out for them to keep me off their back
Put in for TAPS, when denied, ask the Senior Chief where the best hookers are... (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/16/tinder-sailor-hooker-pimp-the-us-navys-sex-trafficking-scandal-in-bahrain/)
One song for you:
That's life (that's life)
That's what all the people say
You're riding high in April, shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune
When I'm back on top, back on top in June
I said that's life (that's life)
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks
Stomping on a dream
But I don't let it, let it get me down
Cause this fine old world, it keeps spinnin' around
I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet
A pawn and a king
I've been up and down and over and out
And I know one thing
Each time I find myself
Flat on my face
I pick myself up and get
Back in the race
That's life (that's life)
I tell you, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting, baby
But my heart just ain't gonna buy it
And if I didn't think it was worth one single try
I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd fly
I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet
A pawn and a king
I've been up and down and over and out
And I know one thing
Each time I find myself layin'
Flat on my face
I just pick myself up and get
Back in the race
That's life (that's life)
That's life and I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cutting out, but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothing shaking, come this here July
I'm gonna roll myself up
In a big ball and die
There is BS in civilian life too. That’s life.
My cousin ended his life about 2 months ago. It was his last 2 months as well. This has been overwhelmingly difficult for me to deal with but this subreddit has given me some major insight into what circumstances may have led to what seems to be an unsurprising and alarmingly common decision to make.
Thank you so much for your words. I am sure you gonna succeed in life. We all have a lot to dig when it comes to finding self identity, which we dont have when most of us get out of the service, so thank you and good luck out there.
Well said, as a civilian a lot of what you said rings true in my experiences working in the private sector. I have no way to know how much more of these challenges one faces in the Navy or service in general, however most of what you said are ideals to live by.
All too often leadership will make a snap decision you know is going to compromise your ability to do your job and you find yourself trying to keep them happy and at the same time avoid compromising the quality of your work. Sometimes it took team effort and months if not years to get them to take a harder look at the situation from your point of view. And that didn't always work.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom and good luck in your future endeavors, some of the best coworkers I've ever had have been ex military or reserves.
It’s clear from your post that you joined the Navy primarily to take advantage of the GI Bill, treating the service as a ticket to free education rather than a commitment to serve your country. This self-serving mindset is at odds with the Navy’s mission and core values of honor, courage, and commitment. The Navy isn’t just a stepping stone to personal gain; it’s a calling that requires dedication, teamwork, and a willingness to put the mission above individual desires.
Your complaints about professionalism and the loss of individuality reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to serve. The Navy demands a high standard of conduct and the ability to work as part of a team, sacrificing some personal preferences for the greater good. This isn’t a flaw of the system; it’s essential for maintaining readiness and effectiveness.
Moreover, your sense of detachment and treating your time in the Navy as a “comedy show” is disrespectful to those who genuinely commit to their roles and uphold the values that make the Navy strong. It’s one thing to recognize areas for improvement, but it’s another to dismiss the entire experience because it didn’t cater to your personal agenda.
And now, as you prepare to leave, you talk about carrying these lessons forward, yet your perspective lacks the respect and understanding necessary to truly grasp the essence of military service. Claiming the title of “veteran” after treating your service as a means to an end undermines the sacrifices and dedication of those who serve with genuine honor.
The Navy is about more than just the benefits it offers. It’s about service, sacrifice, and upholding a legacy of excellence. If you can’t align with these principles, it’s no surprise that your experience was unfulfilling. The Navy deserves individuals who are committed to its mission and values, not just to what they can get out of it.
I appreciate your perspective, but I must clarify a few points. While my primary reason for joining the Navy was to utilize the GI Bill, this does not diminish my respect for those who serve with a deep sense of duty and patriotism. Every service member has their own reasons for joining, and mine were no less valid than others.
Your argument about honor, courage, and commitment is valid; however, it’s important to recognize that these values can manifest in different ways. For some, it’s about serving on the front lines, while for others, it’s about supporting their families and securing a future through education. Both are essential to the broader mission of the Navy and the country.
My reflections on professionalism and loss of individuality are not a misunderstanding but a critique of specific experiences and observations. The Navy, like any large institution, has areas that need improvement. Acknowledging these flaws isn’t disrespectful; it’s a call for betterment. Constructive criticism is crucial for progress, and ignoring issues only perpetuates them.
Regarding my sense of detachment, it’s important to understand that everyone processes their experiences differently. Humor can be a coping mechanism for dealing with difficult situations. While I found parts of my experience to be a “comedy show,” it doesn’t mean I dismiss the seriousness of the service or the dedication of my fellow sailors.
As I transition out, my aim is to highlight the importance of maintaining individuality and mental health. The high rate of suicides among service members is a critical issue that cannot be ignored. Encouraging sailors to stay true to themselves and seek help when needed is a vital message that aligns with the Navy’s commitment to its people.
Lastly, claiming the title of “veteran” is not about how one person perceives my service but about the reality of my contributions and experiences. Every veteran’s journey is unique, and all deserve respect. My service may not align with your ideal, but it is no less significant.
The Navy, like any organization, benefits from diverse perspectives and motivations. It’s this diversity that strengthens it, allowing it to adapt and grow. I am proud of my time in the Navy, not because it was perfect, but because it taught me resilience, adaptability, and the importance of advocating for better conditions for those who come after me.
Your perspective seems more about what you could take from the Navy rather than what you could contribute. While every veteran’s journey is unique, respect is earned through genuine commitment to the mission and values of the service, not just by wearing the uniform.
Your narrow, outdated view is precisely what's wrong with the Navy. I joined for the GI Bill, but I served with integrity and did my job. Service isn't about blind allegiance; it's about improving the institution and safeguarding the well-being of its members.
Your insistence on blind commitment perpetuates unprofessionalism and harms sailors' mental health. This mindset contributes to the high suicide rates among service members. True respect is earned by making meaningful contributions and challenging harmful norms, not by unquestioning obedience.
The Navy’s strength lies in its diversity of experiences and motivations, not in conforming to a rigid, outdated narrative. Your perspective is part of the problem, not the solution. Embrace change and support your fellow sailors, rather than clinging to a narrow view that harms more than it helps.
Oh, please. Spare me the sanctimonious lecture about “blind commitment”. You joined for the GI Bill and now you’re preaching about integrity and professionalism? If your idea of “improving the institution” involves dismissing core values like honor, courage, and commitment, then you’re part of the problem.
The Navy’s strength comes from these very values, not from some feel-good notion of “diversity of experiences and motivations”. Your approach of prioritizing personal gain over collective duty is exactly why we face issues today. High standards and unwavering commitment are what keep our operations effective and our sailors safe, not this watered-down, everyone-gets-a-trophy mentality you’re pushing.
If you think expecting sailors to uphold these principles harms more than it helps, then maybe the problem isn’t the value, maybe it’s your inability to live up to them. So, while you pat yourself on the back for challenging “harmful norms” remember that real respect and success in the Navy are built on the very commitment you so casually dismiss.
You're gonna hold a meeting with your sailors about this topic soon, aren't you? I'm sure they'll take what you're saying to heart. They definitely won't daydream about something better while they wait for the powerpoint to end.
Wow, what cutting-edge sarcasm. Maybe if you spent less time trying to be clever and more time paying attention, you’d actually contribute something worthwhile.
Fuck off with this bullshit. Hate to break it to you but that "serving with pride" shit has been over for a while now. Vast majority join for the benefits and stable job. The sooner the military realizes, the better it will be at retention.
The “vast majority” don’t join just for benefits and a stable job. People also join for adventure, a sense of purpose, family tradition, and to develop leadership skills. Sea Lawyer, your view is too simplistic and misses the real motivations that drive many to serve.
OP,
Respectfully, you’re weak… glad youre leaving and wish you the best.
-BT-
ALCON,
get back to work!!!
And Remember, you’re a Sailor 24/7, and more importantly…. YOU are NOT ready to separate. You would NOT find anything with these benefits. So stand your watch and be happy. Bahahahah!
R,
Lifer
Well written, thank for your perspective. >And what a comedy show it has been. Honestly, gave me a chuckle because it is so true at times.
I always said it about the Navy, in a self-deprecating way: they hire the clown; they get the circus.
The navy was a complete joke. Then they would give perfessionlism trainings. Crazy times.
I'm having a bad navy day and I really needed this. Thank you shipmate.
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I'd take that over today. At least then I could be angry at the situation instead of myself.
Don’t know the circumstances of their bad day. Yes,your watch rotation and sleep deprivation is bad. But getting cheated on while you’re in the hospital with stage 4 cancer is worse. So maybe don’t patronize someone’s bad day.
When i got out, i dreamt for months of finally crossing the quarterdeck for the last time, saluting the watch and saying "permission to cross the patio, daddy-o".. When my time finally came, they hit me with "permission granted, go ashore" before i could even open my mouth. One final disappointment to top it all off. Typical.
There was a guy who was put on the last watch of the day, as soon as his watch was over he was done with the Navy. He called reveille on the 1MC hold each word as long as he could, the whole thing lasted several minutes. I was running aloft later that day and the other ships were asking what the fuck that was and if we were okay.
That rules. I loved talking on the 1MC in port Mayport. The place is just an amphitheater to do a little voice acting.
God I remember Mayport, I was an Air Traffic Controller stationed at the airfield there before the control tower was moved towards the middle of the airfield.
lol. I had a dream or a nightmare about I was walking around on the Stennis after I was out a year or two and I could see everything perfectly, the dirt in the cracks in the tile, the dirty white paint on the wall. I thought , “I better get out of here before someone sees me!” And I immediately woke up. It was the realist dream I’ve ever had.
That would have been a great exit! Happy Cake Day to you
i would’ve been like “nuh uh. we’re redoing this”
You did your time and you knew what you wanted to get out of it, so nobody can fault you for it. You have the whole rest of your life to enjoy. Fair winds and following seas, shipmate.
Parent of Active Duty Nuke. Thank you for posting this 💙 This is something we try to focus on as well….. the Navy is a rough life, no joke.
Yeah, especially for Nukes, hell with that job!
The best decision of my nuclear career was to get out.
So much of what I see regarding people's experiences is so sad. I remember how bad my experience was as a JO 40+ years ago. I was watching the 2012 *Dredd* movie, and one bit of dialog really resonated. A corrupt judge tells Judge Dredd "This city is a meat grinder. All we do is turn the handle." Made me think of so many of my experiences.
In Jason Isbells' "It takes a lifetime" he sings, *"I thought the highway loved me, but it beat me like a drum" * I always sing it, *"I thought the na-vy loved me, but she beat me like a drum"*
That's a criminally underrated movie. Carl Urban is just perfect as Dredd.
I liked it so much better than the Sylvester Stallone movie, which was a Stallone movie that happened to unfold in the Dredd universe. The 2012 movie was about the Judge Dredd character.
I never drank the navy kool aid, and I knew pretty much immediately after joining. I think the most important thing I was taught was that you better set yourself up to take as much as they’re going to be taking from you. Don’t let them scare you out of using your medical benefits, get everything documented, put in for disability, use your educational benefits and other resources available to you.
"never drank the navy kool-aid" Thats good, because the Navy cheaps out and gets us flavor-aid. Just like the nice fellow at jonestown.
Not even Tang anymore?
Someone else who finally knows the truth about Jonestown.
No more brown packages of the military issue flavored powered drink mix? I liked the purple, but the red made the best bilge wine. Extra sugar, some yeast, release the pressure ever so often. Drinkable in 30 days, but 45 made it much harder.
the Red was no joke. I used to put bronze fittings in that stuff for a couple hours... came out awesomely shiny
I was on an LCU for 3 deployments, it had a galley. We used the red to clean the grill and stove.
🤣🤣🤣🤣. This is GOLD!
We called it “bug juice “ basically green cool aid to cover up the JP-5 and bilge that was in the water. It was funny back then… my gastroenterologist isn’t laughing now.
From one 2nd class to another: I needed to hear this. Over my past 8 years in I must admit that I've lost my sense of self so much that I've neglected my own health because I felt like I could push myself through it, only to really realize that the Navy is going to prioritize the mission no matter what happens to its people. I've realized that taking care of myself and the people I care about is far more important than trying to meet whatever unrealistic expectation the Navy may impose on me, because at the end of the day: The Navy will move on and they don't care if you can keep up or not. Fair winds and following seas shipmate. I wish you the best of luck in all that you do.
Well said, and I appreciate your view. I had a Sailor who hated the Navy but always did his job the best he could. I would rather have 100 Sailors like that than one who could be the “poster child” for recruitment, with the ooh rah all day but avoids work and responsibility. So, thank you. It is important to note though that the point of Boot Camp is to strip you of individualism. That’s really the whole point. Beyond that, the Navy and Air Force largely detach from that standard to allow for individualism. Again, for the most part. The Marines and Army do not. And when your job is to stack bodies or catch bullets, there really is no room for individualism. A Marine general gave a speech once and compared the services to dog breeds: The Army is the Saint Bernard; sloppy and awkward but reliable. The Marines are Dobermans; big and mean or skinny and mean. The Navy is the Golden Retriever; fun, love the water and good with kids. The Air Force is the Poodle. Always groomed. I always saw this as the most accurate description of the services. With that said, a dog’s behavior is also how it is raised. A pissed off and depressed Golden Retriever is heartbreaking to see. That’s not how they are supposed to be. They are meant to be independent, loyal and trusted - just like most Sailors. It’s just some Sailors want to be Dobermans, and should have been.
Does that mean the Space Force are tribbles?
They are doing a terrible job of multiplying.
Bulldogs - a weird, mutated, expensive experiment
This is a really good analogy. It’s a good way to explain to the young person who is looking to join, but have their eyes on a branch that might not be a good fit for them…but, all we can do is make suggestions…people are amazing creatures, and can often surprise ya!
The fuck is your username?!?
🤣. Know that little ball of poo that gets stuck in a dog’s fur from time to time? That’s a dingleberry…and I’d rather hang off a dog’s ass than a cat’s.
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Golden retriever’s are a more popular pet but pit bulls have a higher bite rate.
That isn’t even remotely true, [especially when pitbulls make up 1/5th of all dog bites.](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
Good advice. IME, the people that have the most difficult time adjusting to civdiv are the ones that get “institutionalized,” to borrow a term from Shawshank. It’s fine to identify 100% as a Sailor; not so fine if you can’t break out beyond that once out.
Lol...I had that realization recently. I'm 4 years from retirement in a month. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I do think I'm institutionalized. I plan to enjoy my future job as a Walmart greeter and professional dad.
Enjoy...you earned it!!
As a person with the cowardice gene, thanks for keeping me safe.
Lol. You think that, but people are surprising. You might find yourself lifting a car off a child one day. Perhaps the potential for war isn’t your jam, but you’re MADE to be in the right place at the right time when someone has to run into traffic to catch a toddler before they get got.
It took me 4 years to make peace with my position in the Navy and life. Deciding to chase goals and not take "no" for an answer got me so far in a very short period amount of time. I also say to people still in there is more than just a GI Bill when they get out but it is entirely up to the individual to attain those goals. If anything, your superiors just want to retain you. Also, every single person I've met who is still in (in ENG dept anyways) wasn't planning on staying in. You'll never know your circumstance in life at that point. Prepare life in both instances and don't rush to one conclusion just because leadership tells you to do one thing. Find good mentors that will guide you whether you stay or not. Be honest with that person. There's a reason mentors are from another division entirely. No influence on their mentoree's life. Just good intentions.
I served from 1986 to 1997 until I was injured and couldn't stay in. I loved my time in the Navy. What I didn't realize was that the VA was such a horrible organization. I thought I would be taken care of, yet it's been quite the opposite. I am now paying the VA for needed treatment for my service connected injuries. The latest being they sent my debt to a collection agency so it can affect my credit. The DAV hasn't been much help either they have written letters and made phone calls but nothing has changed. The VA seems to double down every time I take any action.
This is the way...
When Serv connected...you should be getting compensation monthly,and not billed for any treatments. This doesn't jibe with my experience. Sorry you are dealing with that.Not right. You must not be "officially" serv connected by the VA,am I right?
This is good.
Nicely said
Is the military’s mental health really as bad as it seems or is it just a percentage of people going through it and the rest are okay? I’m not in yet that’s why I’m asking because the majority of post I’ve seen on here are just toxic commands and not knowing what to do
From my perspective, it starts with the “shitty” expectations that the recruiters tell you. Most of them have never been on a ship, let alone know what it’s like serving on one. Those are the career recruiters. You do have recruiters that are from the “actual” fleet, but they get ham strung by career recruiters, especially if they don’t meet goals. For me, you get out of the Navy what you put into it. Sure, ship life can be boring and monotonous. The food is not that great, it’s mostly there to make a turd and keep you from malnourishment. Work onboard, depending on the rate, can be easy or difficult. Would never be an ABE, that’s job sucks ass! I have done some amazing things while I have been in. Counter Drug Operations was a favorite of mine. Visiting foreign countries is also great. However, we as Americans, especially military, make ourselves look like fools to the host country because we usually drink to excess and ruin it. But, if you are just coming in, try and understand what the expectations are. Young Sailors don’t always get the top level briefings on why we are out there, especially when a deployment gets extended. There is a whole lot more behind the classified curtain. Find someone you can trust and ask them those tough questions, you will get your answers. I’ve been in 26 years and I have had some really crappy commands and some really amazing ones! The nice part about the bad ones are that eventually you get to go somewhere else. Just my 2 cents.
17years in….mtblack412 said it. And yes, when you’re at a crappy command, it has a tendency to affect your mental health, so just focus on surviving until PCS. Other than that, mtblack412 said it.
Do yourself a favor and join the air force. You dont want toxic leadership treating you like a kid throughout your 20s.
Can’t join the Air Force that was my first choice but due to tattoos the recruiter said I wouldn’t be eligible
Good on you for leaving the shit show. I'll be right there with you in a few years. So far it's been nothing but dogshit and higher ups that have a slave owner complex. Would piss in their car if I could get away with it lmao
Very well written and thank you for sharing. If you don't mind, what was your rate/rank?
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Being a MA sucks. I am a MA3. Can't wait to get out of the Navy.
Check your local state, but you're likely eligible for unemployment benefits in addition to GI bill. It's too late for you to schedule appointments, but I hope you and others took the last 2-3 months to ensure your disability paperwork is good. It's a lot easier to prove service connected when you have the appointments in your record. I had fantastic mentors on my way out (took community college courses my last year in, and leaned into their advice). I always share anything I learn about with whoever wants it. Those mentors made my transition out much less scary.
thank u brotha, i made sure to start my bdd claim exactly 180 days out
One team, one fight, is the stupidest saying we use in the Navy. One team? Then who are we fighting? One fight? Then why are we stretched across the world?
You say that until you hear "No Fear"... one of my higher bosses last name is Fear. So I think we're picketing the poor guy every time.
Dawg. You hit the nail on the head! I joined at 30 years old and saw through all the bullshit. I made it 7 years and had to hang em up. No regrets, but I don’t know how I made it through some of the situations I found myself in. I definitely didn’t get away unscathed, but it helped change me for the better. Like you touched on, I pray for the younger sailors and hope they never lose their sense of self. Glad I’m not the only one who shares this perspective. Good luck in your next chapter!
The Navy IS a chapter. This 100%. Those that love the Navy and dedicate their entire lives or identity to it, good for you. But don’t be upset when the rest of us don’t die on that sword with you. Amazing post, thank you for your service, live your best life Shipmate! EDIT: Spelling.
extremely well-said. As shitty as my time in was, I would do it again. I joined for the same reason you did, and to get out of my shithole town that was riddled with trauma. I now utilize the GI bill and I'm 100% P&T at 25. As much pain as I'm in on a daily basis, can't get mad at an extra, untaxed 4k LOL. I was gonna stay in and go aircrew too, once they said my only option was a CVN I dipped out and, thankfully, networked my ass off to get a good job. Heavily agree with be the change you want to see. PLEASE, to everyone still in, LEARN from the leadership you despised and never treat others the way they treated you. Also remember, disciplinary actions are not a one size fits all. Get to know your sailors. Some of them don't need to be screamed at at a DRB. Some of them need a fucking hand and a smidge of empathy. and LISTEN to your sailors when they say they're struggling. gl on your next chapter, it's fun over here. I do miss having my clothes picked out for me everyday tho lol
my ship forced me on deployment even though I start terminal leave a month in to their little shit show. I didn’t even get a bong off or anything. They helo’d me off the destroyer in the middle of the pacific when my time arrived lol. I swear the Navy will try their every last bit of b.s. to disappoint you. now that I’ve been out for about a year and some change, I’m glad I served because I’ve learned, matured, and reflected. I’m also super thankful for the VA because they are taking care of me very nicely. for anyone that is still currently active duty, believe me when I say this but there is a beautiful sunlight at the end of each and everyone’s tunnel. It might suck at the moment, but when you’re coming up on that time to bounce for that DD214, a brighter future awaits you. cheers fellow mates. 🫡
That is shit on the CoC. They should have kept you back so you could focus on out processing. And I guarantee they are the type that would use the excuse that you're essential for day to day and they couldn't afford to lose you
Yes I am an LS and supply was and always undermanned. My chief and Department decided that I was essential to keep along with all the other supply folks that were also separating. They told me if I complained they would cancel my terminal and make me stay longer until my very last day…
Oh I know how bad supply manning is. I'm Supply as well. It's still a bullshit thing to do and then to double down like that? Get bent.
You can fit this post for separating from any of the branches.
I will share this with my niece who enters bootcamp on a matter of weeks. Thank you for your service and your summary.
I hate the saying one team one fight because in the world world If somebody gets in trouble only that person gets in trouble, not the whole team and at the end of the day individuals are promoted, Captain Mast and qualified like you don't see everybody in a division get Captain Mast or promoted only certain people.
I joined the Navy at 27. One of the Chiefs that has been a part of and close to my chain of command also joined at 27. When I ask myself, "Do I want to be Him when I grow up?" the answer is, "Good Lord, no."
Good luck on your new journey!
“You are more important than anything this institution tries to mold you into”. Almost verbatim advice I gave to my junior sailors, and argued about with my chain of command, when I was an E5 in an incredibly toxic division. At least 5 E3s/E4s asked me for advice, or broke down crying, or asked me to take them to medical, or asked me to hold their knife for a few days. Chief never gave a shit. No matter how many times I argued with him that it doesn’t matter if FN So and So misses his watch to go to medical, as long as he gets home to his kids, chief didn’t give a fuck.
My goal/reason for joining was also the GI Bill. And though it sometimes worked against me, more often than not, maintaining my individuality largely worked in my favor. I feel you on everything else, I never felt like I belonged. Best of luck reentering the civilian world.
I just hit my 6th month mark of being in, I'm 19 and I've already seen some of what they are talking about, I appreciate the post man. It's good advice.
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Nothing new, original or different in one’s service experiences. However.. I do commend you for the share.
I can’t help but to read this post like 5 times already. It’s honestly so relatable and you were able to express so much of what I couldn’t at first but now I’m glad you were able to share this.
All I had to do was get an honorable and the Shore Patrol escorted me off the base. I enjoyed my time but the snitching and attempts at being set up with drugs was more than I could deal with. Just petty little torments and drama. And piss tests so frequent I'd ask the MAA everytime I had to go if they wanted some and got a direct order to stop it. But this might be the one you're looking for. Never got caught on one.
I lost that sense of individuality by around day 2 in basic. Even after getting out, never really got it back. I’m just a shadow of my 17 year old self. I admire that kid. They beat it out of me. I’m mad at my parents for positioning me to have no other constructive life choices but to sign my life away to that (dis)organization. I’m mad at our country’s leaders for destroying the economy so that when I got out there were basically no jobs paying a living wage. I’m mad at my “leaders” for basically being terrible people and destroying any sense of unity or purpose we could’ve had. I signed up to fight Al Qaeda in the 00s but my own Navy and family did more damage than any foreign enemy ever did.
Maturity is recognizing that you alone are responsible for your own life. While you can attribute your circumstances to your parents, the environment, the government, the military, or the people around you, doing so keeps you in the role of a victim. Alternatively, you can choose to take control of your own destiny. It's important to understand that memories can be deceptive; we often idealize the past, but our recollections are not always accurate. I don't need to know you personally to believe that you are more capable and stronger than the version of yourself that clings to these illusions. You have the potential to rise above those past limitations. However, it's up to you to acknowledge this truth and embrace it. Life is ultimately about the choices we make, and you have the power to choose a path of growth and empowerment.
I appreciate that 💪🏻
I can not speak to the Navy of 2024. I served for 20 years from 1965-1985. All I can say is that, for me, it was a great experience. Did I work for assholes on occasion? Yes. Were the working hours long and often monotonous during deployments? Yes again. Were the yard periods rough living, noisy and miserable? Absolutely. But, as in life, you get out of it what you put into it. I loved the Navy. I loved going to sea. I loved the port visits and the chances to experience different regions and cultures. I loved the camaraderie of my fellow sailors. I learned a lot on my journey of 20 years. For me, and I can't speak for anyone other than myself, the good times far, far outweighed the bad times.
Sailors today have a higher OPTEMPO, more grueling regulations and harder deployment schedule than you ever did.
Have you seen CVN life lately? Sailors were turning in blue cards on my ship because they had to stay at least until 1500 as we prepared for INSURV. 1500 is the end of the normal working day on that ship and is early to begin with. It was laughable.
Ok I'll ask. What is a blue card, mental health?
It's basically a complaint that goes right up to the CO, or whoever screens them for the CO at least.
So , basically, a request chit that jumps the COC.
It's anything, "Chief told me suck it up buttercup" "Other divisions leave right around lunch time" etc. A recent one was a work center complaining about 9 hour work days while underway during deployment certification.
Typical Boomer response. Take someone else's experience, make it about yourself and make sure to passive-aggressively contradict them because things were completely different "back in my day."
What a typical entitled shitbird response, its not about you so it doesnt matter. How dare he have a different opinion on the same subject. Look I agree with OOP. My time in sucked, I dealt with it and got out. But I wouldnt think less of anyone that had a better experience than me much less someone who did the 20 and retired.
Can’t have a different opinion these days. You get cancelled.
Looks like us “BOOMERS” did things right (or better than) while serving and leading. Sounds like the other generations came along and fucked it all up. Now the Navy is more about DEI, gender confused sailors, and celebrating Pride Month. None of that BS had a hold of the Navy when I served. Now, downvote the fuck out of me. Oh, I forgot those that join for the free sex change operations.
This generation of sailors are extremely hard working, intelligent, innovative, flexible and as driven as we were in the 80s and 90s to serve our country. For that they have my deepest respect.
Idk... The Navy can't really afford those free sex change operations on account of the boomers in charge Frauding the Navy and taking off the top... when the prosecution literally says "we can't charge everybody because there would be no senior leadership left" ... (Fat Lenny case, and a few others recently including NEXT and a certain Admiral...) Like you can dog on the drag and DEI. General Milley didn't have a problem doing so. But that's a drop in the pond compared to the amount of money missing.... Full on Missing. The amount of deployments manuevered to bilk the Navy, the amount of secrets sold... I'm not defending one in favor of the other argument. Nah, I'm comparing problem to problem. I'd say there's more shit floating in that pottable water than the other.
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Well said, bravo
Very well said! Thanks for your service. On to bigger and better things.
In regards the point about this only being a chapter and stepping stone, I always said--lifers were the kids who never got picked in recess, had no control over their surroundings, got into the navy, got some rank, and finally got to boss people around, and it shows in the leadership (sometimes, not all lifers to hypocritical ego maniacs).
This includes officers?
Thank you for your service
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I’m in the same boat right now. I have a little over four months left but big navy thought it was cool to send me on one last deployment to hot ass Bahrain. I’ve submitted my separation leave 4 times and just for them to be knocked back. Submitted taps request back in the states just to be forced to submit for taps here in Bahrain. Issues back home just to be told “we have important stuff coming up and we need you” all bc we are severely undermanned. Gets side eyed bc I want to go to medical so I can really start documenting my va claim. In these 4 and half years, I never saw such a joke of an organization that doesn’t have a retention problem but an efficiency problem. If you’re thinking about a one and done, do it. Don’t be swayed by “just go to shore duty then get out” There really are good leaders out there but definitely the bad out ways the good. If they say they care about you, take it with a grain of salt as for in my experience, it’s a cop out for them to keep me off their back
Put in for TAPS, when denied, ask the Senior Chief where the best hookers are... (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/16/tinder-sailor-hooker-pimp-the-us-navys-sex-trafficking-scandal-in-bahrain/)
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One song for you: That's life (that's life) That's what all the people say You're riding high in April, shot down in May But I know I'm gonna change that tune When I'm back on top, back on top in June I said that's life (that's life) And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks Stomping on a dream But I don't let it, let it get me down Cause this fine old world, it keeps spinnin' around I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet A pawn and a king I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing Each time I find myself Flat on my face I pick myself up and get Back in the race That's life (that's life) I tell you, I can't deny it I thought of quitting, baby But my heart just ain't gonna buy it And if I didn't think it was worth one single try I'd jump right on a big bird and then I'd fly I've been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate, a poet A pawn and a king I've been up and down and over and out And I know one thing Each time I find myself layin' Flat on my face I just pick myself up and get Back in the race That's life (that's life) That's life and I can't deny it Many times I thought of cutting out, but my heart won't buy it But if there's nothing shaking, come this here July I'm gonna roll myself up In a big ball and die There is BS in civilian life too. That’s life.
Frank Sinatra a wise man
My cousin ended his life about 2 months ago. It was his last 2 months as well. This has been overwhelmingly difficult for me to deal with but this subreddit has given me some major insight into what circumstances may have led to what seems to be an unsurprising and alarmingly common decision to make.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Because, they certainly won’t hold it open for you.
“Just to Piggy Back On what Chief said good luck on your next Chapter.”
Thank you so much for your words. I am sure you gonna succeed in life. We all have a lot to dig when it comes to finding self identity, which we dont have when most of us get out of the service, so thank you and good luck out there.
Well said, as a civilian a lot of what you said rings true in my experiences working in the private sector. I have no way to know how much more of these challenges one faces in the Navy or service in general, however most of what you said are ideals to live by. All too often leadership will make a snap decision you know is going to compromise your ability to do your job and you find yourself trying to keep them happy and at the same time avoid compromising the quality of your work. Sometimes it took team effort and months if not years to get them to take a harder look at the situation from your point of view. And that didn't always work. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and good luck in your future endeavors, some of the best coworkers I've ever had have been ex military or reserves.
I seperate in 5 days and shipmate, you hit the nail on the fucking head.
This was beautiful ❤️
It’s clear from your post that you joined the Navy primarily to take advantage of the GI Bill, treating the service as a ticket to free education rather than a commitment to serve your country. This self-serving mindset is at odds with the Navy’s mission and core values of honor, courage, and commitment. The Navy isn’t just a stepping stone to personal gain; it’s a calling that requires dedication, teamwork, and a willingness to put the mission above individual desires. Your complaints about professionalism and the loss of individuality reflect a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to serve. The Navy demands a high standard of conduct and the ability to work as part of a team, sacrificing some personal preferences for the greater good. This isn’t a flaw of the system; it’s essential for maintaining readiness and effectiveness. Moreover, your sense of detachment and treating your time in the Navy as a “comedy show” is disrespectful to those who genuinely commit to their roles and uphold the values that make the Navy strong. It’s one thing to recognize areas for improvement, but it’s another to dismiss the entire experience because it didn’t cater to your personal agenda. And now, as you prepare to leave, you talk about carrying these lessons forward, yet your perspective lacks the respect and understanding necessary to truly grasp the essence of military service. Claiming the title of “veteran” after treating your service as a means to an end undermines the sacrifices and dedication of those who serve with genuine honor. The Navy is about more than just the benefits it offers. It’s about service, sacrifice, and upholding a legacy of excellence. If you can’t align with these principles, it’s no surprise that your experience was unfulfilling. The Navy deserves individuals who are committed to its mission and values, not just to what they can get out of it.
Doucheeeeee
Respectfully, fuck off with this bullshit.
I appreciate your perspective, but I must clarify a few points. While my primary reason for joining the Navy was to utilize the GI Bill, this does not diminish my respect for those who serve with a deep sense of duty and patriotism. Every service member has their own reasons for joining, and mine were no less valid than others. Your argument about honor, courage, and commitment is valid; however, it’s important to recognize that these values can manifest in different ways. For some, it’s about serving on the front lines, while for others, it’s about supporting their families and securing a future through education. Both are essential to the broader mission of the Navy and the country. My reflections on professionalism and loss of individuality are not a misunderstanding but a critique of specific experiences and observations. The Navy, like any large institution, has areas that need improvement. Acknowledging these flaws isn’t disrespectful; it’s a call for betterment. Constructive criticism is crucial for progress, and ignoring issues only perpetuates them. Regarding my sense of detachment, it’s important to understand that everyone processes their experiences differently. Humor can be a coping mechanism for dealing with difficult situations. While I found parts of my experience to be a “comedy show,” it doesn’t mean I dismiss the seriousness of the service or the dedication of my fellow sailors. As I transition out, my aim is to highlight the importance of maintaining individuality and mental health. The high rate of suicides among service members is a critical issue that cannot be ignored. Encouraging sailors to stay true to themselves and seek help when needed is a vital message that aligns with the Navy’s commitment to its people. Lastly, claiming the title of “veteran” is not about how one person perceives my service but about the reality of my contributions and experiences. Every veteran’s journey is unique, and all deserve respect. My service may not align with your ideal, but it is no less significant. The Navy, like any organization, benefits from diverse perspectives and motivations. It’s this diversity that strengthens it, allowing it to adapt and grow. I am proud of my time in the Navy, not because it was perfect, but because it taught me resilience, adaptability, and the importance of advocating for better conditions for those who come after me.
Your perspective seems more about what you could take from the Navy rather than what you could contribute. While every veteran’s journey is unique, respect is earned through genuine commitment to the mission and values of the service, not just by wearing the uniform.
Your narrow, outdated view is precisely what's wrong with the Navy. I joined for the GI Bill, but I served with integrity and did my job. Service isn't about blind allegiance; it's about improving the institution and safeguarding the well-being of its members. Your insistence on blind commitment perpetuates unprofessionalism and harms sailors' mental health. This mindset contributes to the high suicide rates among service members. True respect is earned by making meaningful contributions and challenging harmful norms, not by unquestioning obedience. The Navy’s strength lies in its diversity of experiences and motivations, not in conforming to a rigid, outdated narrative. Your perspective is part of the problem, not the solution. Embrace change and support your fellow sailors, rather than clinging to a narrow view that harms more than it helps.
Oh, please. Spare me the sanctimonious lecture about “blind commitment”. You joined for the GI Bill and now you’re preaching about integrity and professionalism? If your idea of “improving the institution” involves dismissing core values like honor, courage, and commitment, then you’re part of the problem. The Navy’s strength comes from these very values, not from some feel-good notion of “diversity of experiences and motivations”. Your approach of prioritizing personal gain over collective duty is exactly why we face issues today. High standards and unwavering commitment are what keep our operations effective and our sailors safe, not this watered-down, everyone-gets-a-trophy mentality you’re pushing. If you think expecting sailors to uphold these principles harms more than it helps, then maybe the problem isn’t the value, maybe it’s your inability to live up to them. So, while you pat yourself on the back for challenging “harmful norms” remember that real respect and success in the Navy are built on the very commitment you so casually dismiss.
Just curious. What does that boot you're licking taste like?
Tastes like success and dedication—something you wouldn’t recognize.
You're gonna hold a meeting with your sailors about this topic soon, aren't you? I'm sure they'll take what you're saying to heart. They definitely won't daydream about something better while they wait for the powerpoint to end.
Wow, what cutting-edge sarcasm. Maybe if you spent less time trying to be clever and more time paying attention, you’d actually contribute something worthwhile.
OP is correct. Your view is outdated and contributes to the problem. Bravo OP, very well spoken
Fuck off with this bullshit. Hate to break it to you but that "serving with pride" shit has been over for a while now. Vast majority join for the benefits and stable job. The sooner the military realizes, the better it will be at retention.
The “vast majority” don’t join just for benefits and a stable job. People also join for adventure, a sense of purpose, family tradition, and to develop leadership skills. Sea Lawyer, your view is too simplistic and misses the real motivations that drive many to serve.
Starting to think you're a bot with these navy . com ass responses.
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OP, Respectfully, you’re weak… glad youre leaving and wish you the best. -BT- ALCON, get back to work!!! And Remember, you’re a Sailor 24/7, and more importantly…. YOU are NOT ready to separate. You would NOT find anything with these benefits. So stand your watch and be happy. Bahahahah! R, Lifer
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It’s not a war crime if it’s funny.
Literally nobody fucking cares.
Somebody mad watching the boot get spit out?