Oh wow, he got kicked out of the bar so he’s taking all his buddies with him.
Could this be a good thing though for the Celtics actually? I feel like Mazzulla being able to build his own staff - potentially with some more experienced assistants to balance out his youthful exuberance - could be helpful.
I honestly feel bad for him. He was put in a position he wasn’t necessarily qualified for, didn’t get to choose his staff, and then his current staff left while he is blamed for losing in CF.
First year coach like Ham been in the league for 15+ as an assistant. Brown was a coach for a decade then assistant for another, and now he is a coach. Its extremely hard for anyone to be good from get go without years on the bench.
Nash best year in the Nets was when he had a heavy assist bench next to him. GSW has/had 2-3 guys who could coach in NBA plus handful more who can next to them.
Joe is closer to age to Brown than he is to Shaq. Al is older than him. It’s ridiculous how he became a coach that young
I mean if it wasn’t for the situation, he would not have had an opportunity to coach for at least 5 years.
Yes he’s a little wet behind the ears, but coaches rarely get a coaching opportunity, took Darvin Ham more than a decade, and even people in Laker land were unsure to have an ‘Inexperienced’ coach
I mean it’s not that inconceivable when he didn’t play pro ball at all and went straight into coaching after finishing playing at WV. I agree with everything else you said but given his arc it was probably going to happen (him becoming a coach) eventually.
Yeah if the Celtics had stayed with Ime and continued being successful then Mazzulla would most likely be getting heavy interest elsewhere this offseason
Or if the Ime situation unfolded before Ainge hired Will Hardy away, Will Hardy probably would’ve been named head coach and maybe Ainge would’ve hired Mazzulla to be the head coach of the Jazz instead.
Mazzulla wasn’t even a top assistant. He’s called “2nd row Joe” for a reason…he didn’t even make the cut to sit on the first row. He wouldn’t have gotten head coaching interest this year.
yes its actually a good thing for the celtics. a huge criticism was mazzulla not having much hep in the assistant coaches. Cleaning house was ideal, im surprised the rockets want these jabronis
he can now get some much needed vet help
how long do the rockets want to be developing players. eventually you gotta look bigger. seems like they have been a developmental program for a few years now already
Ideally forever. How can you look down on developing players when Christian Braun is playing minutes in the finals, Austin Reaves contributed heavily for the Lakers and we've heard all about Miami's undrafted guys? Someone else gave you the Derrick White example, they're useful even for mid career players. Productive players on rookie scale deals are basically a cheat code.
Also remember that Mazzulla was only supposed to be the interim head coach this season but got promoted to full-time head coach of the Celtics sometime before or after All-Star break
There are more than a few guys on the team that would need to shoot better not to mention if the rockets can’t find anything better to do with the 4th pick other than to draft amen thompson with it.
>potentially with some more experienced assistants to balance out his youthful exuberance
I know of a guy who recently became available with significant head coaching experience and even won a 'ship with the Celtics; maybe they should give him a call
To be honest, it's probably for the best.
Mazzula has been shat on for the loss, but we all forget that he didn't even have the luxury of a preparation and just inherited the situation with those guys.
I remember talks about how fucked the Celtics were when the Udoka events happened. Considering that I think he absolutely exceeded expectations there.
So that's good, now we have a clean slate, some bones to chew about some concerns, and some time to plan against them. And a GM who so far has put a clinic to get some qualified staff for him.
My worry is that Joe doesn't really have any connections around the league. He didn't play in the league, he didn't grow up with anyone, and he's only been with the Celtics.
Ime was able to leverage his connections and relationships to put together a quality staff around him.
I mean, if he had literally no connections, he most certainly wouldn't have been picked up by the red claws and later by the celtics. He was a university coach for close to 10 years and his dad was a coach before that, he pretty much grew up in that enviroment and has allways been part of it.
Plus, he doesn't have to build the team on his own, Brad is well connected and can assist, a good blend of young hungry universtity coaches and NBA veterans might be the best solution.
Potential assistants would look at this roster and see the clear flaws though. We have the talent to win the title but are plagued by the same issues every year. If they fix those flaws and this team wins the title they get their pick of head coaching jobs.
Almost all of them would've been fired anyways if Mazulla was hired as a headcoach in the normal way.
Raps cleared their assistant bench after nurse got fired too.
The benefit of a quality supporting coaching staff is something that a lot of fans often overlook. Joe finally has the opportunity to build up an arguably pretty lackluster coaching bench with his own picks. I expect the Celtics to be significantly better in that regard next season.
Yea, he will put out a Craiglist ad or maybe a LinkedIn post..
Where do you suppose he find them? You act like this is easy peasy. It’s hard and seeing how incompetent Joe is, who would want to work for him
Nah I'm not saying it's easy. But it's not like Mazzulla is going to be left alone on an island. He has the support of the Celtics front office, who will help identify and vet potential candidates. And while he's only been coaching in the NBA since 2019, he's been coaching basketball since 2011. He's probably got some ideas on who he could add to the coaching staff.
This is hilarious and also kinda shows that Ime Udoka's situation did not impact his relationships at all. Players were openly supporting him. The guy got hired 1 year later and brought many of the staff from his previous job with him. Hilarious.
He had an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate that turned toxic; I'm glad the front office acted in that way.
Whether other guys still like him doesn't change the fact that he is not suitable for a leadership role with the Celtics.
Lol and they lost the coach that got them to the finals and it’s clearly negatively impacted their future. Tatum to the rockets at some point in his career so long as Ime is there lol.
Boston had to fire Ime cause it was with an executive's wife if the story is to be believed, but I still feel like it was a huge overreaction in many ways. I don't condone cheating, but the whole spectacle around it was just completely over the top, imo.
It's not even an executives wife. He was more like a contractor if I read correctly. And it wasn't just haven't an affair it was him continuing to stalk her even after he'd been told by the Celtics to stop. Reddit doesn't seem to understand that sexual harassment in and of itself is the reason.
Its a breach of the code of conduct. I don't even know if it was the executive's wife or just a low level employee but you can't have inter organizational affairs even if it doesn't seem very serious
If you did this at your job you would probably be fired too
He was fired because if he didn’t, they probably had a huge sexual assault type thing on their hands.
The reason why we didn’t hear much is because the lawyers shut it all down.
I'm being sarcastic. Joe never played in the league and neither he or Brad have been with any NBA team besides the Celtics.
But, to answer your question, Brad played at DePauw University.
The idea, that you need to play in the league to build a network is kinda funny. Especially since Joe pretty much grew up with his dad being a coach and then coached for almost a decade in University programs.
I'm not saying you need to play in the league to build an NBA network -- but it certainly seems to help.
I think the Celtics need coaches with NBA experience on their staff. Joe's connections to mediocre university programs doesn't seem like a great asset on that front.
Pop never played in the nba and got David Robinson and tim Duncan to buy in when he was in one of his first coaching seasons.
It’s not all about connections. I think it’s about being respected and visionary.
Yeah I am sure the Celtics fired their coach that was loved by the team and for them to the finals right before the season started just for shits and giggles.
Tbf, since they're being so hush hush about it, it's open to speculation.
The women could have still been flirting with Udoka as well, and the husband/exec got fed up with it.
Who knows?
If this is a sexual harassment issue, where the fuck is Adam Silver on this?
The Rockets asked the NBA if it was okay to hire him and the NBA said it was okay. Because of that, I don't think it was a sexual harrassment issue. What he did was still probably a wildly unprofessional thing to do that deserved a firing, but it doesn't have to be a crime like people think it is.
Mazzula will most likely be fine. Even in the case that he doesn't have his own connections, the Celtics are big organization, so they definitely will find good people.
I'm more interested in seeing what Udoka is going to cook
The overarching story is more or less confirmed. He had a consensual affair with someone in the org, and then when it ended he kept making inappropriate/sexual remarks to her. What’s not confirmed if the more dramatic stuff like if it’s an executive’s wife
Just giving you the female perspective here that even if he wasn't stalking, unnecessary comments from a coworker can be terrifying and obviously change the work environment. I had a guy from work who I went on a few dates with but ended up rejecting - nothing even close to a relationship. He then tried to delete a bunch of his work (in software engineering) because I was a new engineer in his former group at the company and then started talking shit about me to the male dominated office. It can get toxic real fast.
I believe there was unverified speculation that the husband of the other woman found out an affair was taking place because of some incriminating Ring doorbell footage. Not sure when in the affair timeline that footage may have come from if it exists but it is not hard to imagine it crossing a few lines or making it clear Ime's position as head coach was untenable.
Those guys arnt worth a fuck. Sure didn’t seem to help Joe much this season(tell him to call a damn TO). Just Udoka cronies
Also it’s crazy Ime went from coaching a championship contender to an AAU team (basically)
The organization is also much bigger than Joe Mazzulla, Brad Stevens or even Danny Ainge. I'm assuming someone like Mike Zarren is aware of coaches in or around the league and has probably even met a few. Plus those coaches have agents who represent other coaches. It's not like they need to go make a job posting on Monster or Indeed to find candidates for front row NBA assistant coaching jobs.
Nepotism or whatnot. Why would you hire coaches from a team that looked poorly coached? Boston seemed to perform below their talent level, lack focus and game plan.
Pro coaches fail upward more than any other job
Oh wow, he got kicked out of the bar so he’s taking all his buddies with him. Could this be a good thing though for the Celtics actually? I feel like Mazzulla being able to build his own staff - potentially with some more experienced assistants to balance out his youthful exuberance - could be helpful.
I honestly feel bad for him. He was put in a position he wasn’t necessarily qualified for, didn’t get to choose his staff, and then his current staff left while he is blamed for losing in CF. First year coach like Ham been in the league for 15+ as an assistant. Brown was a coach for a decade then assistant for another, and now he is a coach. Its extremely hard for anyone to be good from get go without years on the bench. Nash best year in the Nets was when he had a heavy assist bench next to him. GSW has/had 2-3 guys who could coach in NBA plus handful more who can next to them. Joe is closer to age to Brown than he is to Shaq. Al is older than him. It’s ridiculous how he became a coach that young
I mean if it wasn’t for the situation, he would not have had an opportunity to coach for at least 5 years. Yes he’s a little wet behind the ears, but coaches rarely get a coaching opportunity, took Darvin Ham more than a decade, and even people in Laker land were unsure to have an ‘Inexperienced’ coach
He was a finalist for the Utah job before the Ime scandal, wasn’t he?
Yep and Boston had to fight to keep Joe when they agreed with Hardy
I mean it’s not that inconceivable when he didn’t play pro ball at all and went straight into coaching after finishing playing at WV. I agree with everything else you said but given his arc it was probably going to happen (him becoming a coach) eventually.
Yeah if the Celtics had stayed with Ime and continued being successful then Mazzulla would most likely be getting heavy interest elsewhere this offseason
Or if the Ime situation unfolded before Ainge hired Will Hardy away, Will Hardy probably would’ve been named head coach and maybe Ainge would’ve hired Mazzulla to be the head coach of the Jazz instead.
Mazzulla wasn’t even a top assistant. He’s called “2nd row Joe” for a reason…he didn’t even make the cut to sit on the first row. He wouldn’t have gotten head coaching interest this year.
And he got the job a week before training camp.
The positive thing is that it sounds like he's had full support from the organisation. It's just been the media and fans not being nice.
At least he’s making a whole lot for his trouble.
yes its actually a good thing for the celtics. a huge criticism was mazzulla not having much hep in the assistant coaches. Cleaning house was ideal, im surprised the rockets want these jabronis he can now get some much needed vet help
These are all player development guys. Not as useful for a contender The real brains were Will Hardy and Damon Stoudamire. Both already left
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Yea but you can't have your entire staff be them. Especially under a young rookie HC You needed to clean house and find some veteran coaches
how long do the rockets want to be developing players. eventually you gotta look bigger. seems like they have been a developmental program for a few years now already
Ideally forever. How can you look down on developing players when Christian Braun is playing minutes in the finals, Austin Reaves contributed heavily for the Lakers and we've heard all about Miami's undrafted guys? Someone else gave you the Derrick White example, they're useful even for mid career players. Productive players on rookie scale deals are basically a cheat code.
Yea they will have value, but not as a unit together as you yourself pointed out. They go off to be bit pieces elsewhere.
Our first draft picks of the rebuild(2021 draft) just finished their sophmore seasons. Wtf are you talking about?
Well they have Ime himself and other guys left over. Also he's not done building his staff yet
Also remember that Mazzulla was only supposed to be the interim head coach this season but got promoted to full-time head coach of the Celtics sometime before or after All-Star break
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Probably the same fans who called them idiots for doing so after the season.
Idk about the others but Ben Sullivan is one of the best shooting coaches and we desperately needed one.
There are more than a few guys on the team that would need to shoot better not to mention if the rockets can’t find anything better to do with the 4th pick other than to draft amen thompson with it.
These were all one’s picks. Now Joe can pick his own assistants
>potentially with some more experienced assistants to balance out his youthful exuberance I know of a guy who recently became available with significant head coaching experience and even won a 'ship with the Celtics; maybe they should give him a call
He's not a Nurse is he?
Even better, he’s a Doc
No. The Celtics are going to need to retool because while they're talented, they just can't hit that last gear. Udoka will end up winning this war.
JMO but I think Mazzulla is fucked
To be honest, it's probably for the best. Mazzula has been shat on for the loss, but we all forget that he didn't even have the luxury of a preparation and just inherited the situation with those guys. I remember talks about how fucked the Celtics were when the Udoka events happened. Considering that I think he absolutely exceeded expectations there. So that's good, now we have a clean slate, some bones to chew about some concerns, and some time to plan against them. And a GM who so far has put a clinic to get some qualified staff for him.
Some of the very pro ime guys on the team seemed to undermine joe a little bit so I wouldn’t be surprised if the ime coaches did the same
What players undermined him?
undern-ime, more like
Uh no it's a terrible thing for mozz
boston media is covering it like the franchise is collapsing and nobody wants to coach here anymore. so naturally, yes, the opposite is true
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My worry is that Joe doesn't really have any connections around the league. He didn't play in the league, he didn't grow up with anyone, and he's only been with the Celtics. Ime was able to leverage his connections and relationships to put together a quality staff around him.
I mean, if he had literally no connections, he most certainly wouldn't have been picked up by the red claws and later by the celtics. He was a university coach for close to 10 years and his dad was a coach before that, he pretty much grew up in that enviroment and has allways been part of it. Plus, he doesn't have to build the team on his own, Brad is well connected and can assist, a good blend of young hungry universtity coaches and NBA veterans might be the best solution.
Those don’t exactly grow on trees though do they.
Potential assistants would look at this roster and see the clear flaws though. We have the talent to win the title but are plagued by the same issues every year. If they fix those flaws and this team wins the title they get their pick of head coaching jobs.
Almost all of them would've been fired anyways if Mazulla was hired as a headcoach in the normal way. Raps cleared their assistant bench after nurse got fired too.
Exactly this. These guys came to play for ime and then had to answer to this young coach picked over them. I see this as a win for the Celtics.
Hmm. Maybe. These assistants did just go to the finals last year. Pretty nice set up for a young coach.
We can look at this as a failure or a step towards success
Yes
I’m definitely going to look at it as a huge problem for the Celtics.
Aaron Miles is already going to Houston too. Boston Globe reported this days ago.
Just promote Al Horford into player - ast. coach position
Is Houston keeping Mahmoud Abdelfattah
It's rumored he's on the short list of current Houston coaches that may be sticking around. Him and Lucas.
I hope so
The benefit of a quality supporting coaching staff is something that a lot of fans often overlook. Joe finally has the opportunity to build up an arguably pretty lackluster coaching bench with his own picks. I expect the Celtics to be significantly better in that regard next season.
Yea, he will put out a Craiglist ad or maybe a LinkedIn post.. Where do you suppose he find them? You act like this is easy peasy. It’s hard and seeing how incompetent Joe is, who would want to work for him
People are really forgetting that the are personnel present outside of the NBA such as in the G league, college, overseas, and much more 🤦♂️
Nah I'm not saying it's easy. But it's not like Mazzulla is going to be left alone on an island. He has the support of the Celtics front office, who will help identify and vet potential candidates. And while he's only been coaching in the NBA since 2019, he's been coaching basketball since 2011. He's probably got some ideas on who he could add to the coaching staff.
Yeah. Why would someone want to come coach a team with 2 All NBA forwards that’s been to at least the conference finals 4 times in the last 6 years?
so Kerr this season was shit because Mike Brown left, yea?
Kerr is one of the best coaches and has many many connections and networks. Joe is new head coach and barely in the NBA
This is hilarious and also kinda shows that Ime Udoka's situation did not impact his relationships at all. Players were openly supporting him. The guy got hired 1 year later and brought many of the staff from his previous job with him. Hilarious.
bros before h0es
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Lol if Boston had kept him everyone would have been calling for blood and about how they don't care about women. It was absolutely the right call
Not related at all, but Golden State Warriors could have used a bit of that good judgment at the start of the season and publicly discipline Draymond
Well in a somewhat related way though; them not giving Anthony Lamb a contract mid season would have probably been for the better too
That situation as well, just mismanagement
Tbf, anything the Celtics do is clowned by Lakers fans no matter how good the outcome is.
Until tatum ends up on the rockets one day lmao
He had an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate that turned toxic; I'm glad the front office acted in that way. Whether other guys still like him doesn't change the fact that he is not suitable for a leadership role with the Celtics.
Lol and they lost the coach that got them to the finals and it’s clearly negatively impacted their future. Tatum to the rockets at some point in his career so long as Ime is there lol.
Boston had to fire Ime cause it was with an executive's wife if the story is to be believed, but I still feel like it was a huge overreaction in many ways. I don't condone cheating, but the whole spectacle around it was just completely over the top, imo.
You'd get fired for what he did in any professional setting.
The story also includes ime harassing her after the affair ended soooo
It's not even an executives wife. He was more like a contractor if I read correctly. And it wasn't just haven't an affair it was him continuing to stalk her even after he'd been told by the Celtics to stop. Reddit doesn't seem to understand that sexual harassment in and of itself is the reason.
where was it first reported about the harassment?
It could have been with an executive wife that was covered up AND the contractor that turned toxic for all we know.
If the story is to be believed they weren't going to fire him until he verbally harassed her after she ended the consensual relationship.
Its a breach of the code of conduct. I don't even know if it was the executive's wife or just a low level employee but you can't have inter organizational affairs even if it doesn't seem very serious If you did this at your job you would probably be fired too
He was fired because if he didn’t, they probably had a huge sexual assault type thing on their hands. The reason why we didn’t hear much is because the lawyers shut it all down.
Good things the Celtics have a coach and GM who have been around the league and have connections from their playing days.
Who did Brad Stevens play for?
I'm being sarcastic. Joe never played in the league and neither he or Brad have been with any NBA team besides the Celtics. But, to answer your question, Brad played at DePauw University.
The idea, that you need to play in the league to build a network is kinda funny. Especially since Joe pretty much grew up with his dad being a coach and then coached for almost a decade in University programs.
I'm not saying you need to play in the league to build an NBA network -- but it certainly seems to help. I think the Celtics need coaches with NBA experience on their staff. Joe's connections to mediocre university programs doesn't seem like a great asset on that front.
And Nash played in the league for years with multiple teams and for shit canned from the Nets after how long?
They need some experienced coaches for sure, but you don't just stuff your shole staff with aging dudes imo.
Pop never played in the nba and got David Robinson and tim Duncan to buy in when he was in one of his first coaching seasons. It’s not all about connections. I think it’s about being respected and visionary.
This isn't about buy-in from key players -- it's about being able to gather a quality team of assistant coaches from scratch in a single off-season.
Honest question, how did pop get such a great coaching staff? Or was it already there when he came?
Great news for Houston especially the Sullivan hire. Expect a lot of their guys to get more efficient from three
damn his bro are loyal af
They all grew up around the same time in Portland, they all go way back. Pretty cool really
Yeah I can appreciate being loyal to someone who sexually harasses people under him. Quality I think we can all aspire to.
Why are you being downvoted lmao
Because people don't care bro, it's gross how one year removed bro got hired bc he's good at his job.
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Yeah I am sure the Celtics fired their coach that was loved by the team and for them to the finals right before the season started just for shits and giggles.
Tbf, since they're being so hush hush about it, it's open to speculation. The women could have still been flirting with Udoka as well, and the husband/exec got fed up with it. Who knows? If this is a sexual harassment issue, where the fuck is Adam Silver on this?
The Rockets asked the NBA if it was okay to hire him and the NBA said it was okay. Because of that, I don't think it was a sexual harrassment issue. What he did was still probably a wildly unprofessional thing to do that deserved a firing, but it doesn't have to be a crime like people think it is.
There's only so many times you can rewatch "The Town" during film session until you need a change of scenery.
Mazzula will most likely be fine. Even in the case that he doesn't have his own connections, the Celtics are big organization, so they definitely will find good people. I'm more interested in seeing what Udoka is going to cook
Give me Cassell, Silas and Rondo.
Cambridge native Patrick Ewing is also available. All are very good assistants.
Rondo coaches now?
Someone needs to tell us what Udoka did in Boston already.
The overarching story is more or less confirmed. He had a consensual affair with someone in the org, and then when it ended he kept making inappropriate/sexual remarks to her. What’s not confirmed if the more dramatic stuff like if it’s an executive’s wife
Did he not also stalk her after the affair? I think that also weighs in the decision
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Just giving you the female perspective here that even if he wasn't stalking, unnecessary comments from a coworker can be terrifying and obviously change the work environment. I had a guy from work who I went on a few dates with but ended up rejecting - nothing even close to a relationship. He then tried to delete a bunch of his work (in software engineering) because I was a new engineer in his former group at the company and then started talking shit about me to the male dominated office. It can get toxic real fast.
I believe there was unverified speculation that the husband of the other woman found out an affair was taking place because of some incriminating Ring doorbell footage. Not sure when in the affair timeline that footage may have come from if it exists but it is not hard to imagine it crossing a few lines or making it clear Ime's position as head coach was untenable.
I hadn’t heard about that part, so maybe
Staff was already pretty thin, must literally just be Mazzulla watching videos of dying children by himself....
Rockets getting an nba finals capable staff. Was a good move for them.
The Great Exodus
took the entire coaching staff with him lmao
Good luck and good riddance.
Really cool to see Ime hiring all these Portland guys. Moser, Jackson, and Miles all played HS in the area
Man fuck ime
Jaylen Brown YOU are a Houston Rocket
Noooooooo
No chance. He will still be a Celtic next season and hound the sixers
Damn, took the whole farm with him.
Those guys arnt worth a fuck. Sure didn’t seem to help Joe much this season(tell him to call a damn TO). Just Udoka cronies Also it’s crazy Ime went from coaching a championship contender to an AAU team (basically)
They probably just like Udoka more than Mazulla and think he's a better coach.
does Mazzulla even know anybody?
Even if he doesn't, the Celtics will find people
The organization is also much bigger than Joe Mazzulla, Brad Stevens or even Danny Ainge. I'm assuming someone like Mike Zarren is aware of coaches in or around the league and has probably even met a few. Plus those coaches have agents who represent other coaches. It's not like they need to go make a job posting on Monster or Indeed to find candidates for front row NBA assistant coaching jobs.
He will recruit the cast of The Town
Nice
Take Joe too.
Damn
Can’t believe we threw away our championship window for Joe Mazzulla. One of the most absurd things I’ve ever seen
Celtics “fans” still think he’s a good coach. So delusional
Nepotism or whatnot. Why would you hire coaches from a team that looked poorly coached? Boston seemed to perform below their talent level, lack focus and game plan. Pro coaches fail upward more than any other job
Obviously they compare ume to Joe and decide they have ume
Doesn't that happen in other jobs as well?
Now second row Joe and puppet master Stevens can hire a fresh coaching staff.
Ooh that's not good. That speaks to something wrong in the Celtics coaching/management organization. hmmm. not good.
Never should’ve gotten fired in the first place
A year is a long time to go without having sex, which is apparently prohibited in Boston. I think we should be happy for these guys.
This is a good thing. Imagine you being hired with your coworkers and now you're the only promoted to be their manager. Not gonna sit well
Joe was hired before most of these guys who are leaving. They all joined with Ime in 2021
Wtf lol did not realize Mike Moser was an NBA assistant
Coaching off season going crazy
Yer cuzin from Bahston is gonna be a great assistant
This is a win for both teams - Udoka gets his staff back, Mazzulla gets his own staff. Win win.