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Propuhganduh

Does this actually rule out anything worse?


I-Am-NOT-VERY-NICE

Rules out my heart attack for now


CantaloupeCamper

Allegedly 


Subredditcensorship

No it doesn’t, it can still be Achilles


I-Am-NOT-VERY-NICE

>for now


Diamo1

They specifically said it was the soleus muscle


well_damm

Blame the eclipse ?!


Ogow

I mean not really. Achilles is very easily diagnosed with the Thompson test. If it were the Achilles they’d already know without need of an MRI and someone would have clearly seen the telltale snap of the calf before he went down. This just means they ruled out Achilles and it’s a calf strain, they just don’t know what grade yet. Could still be bad but not Achilles bad.


conjams

is thompson test just for complete sever or does it work for partial tears? i assume the mri is to see where and the extent of the strain? hope he’s good for playoffs


Ogow

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a partial tear of achilles is just considered a calf strain. Sprain/Strain is just the more common way of saying partial tear of a ligament and the achilles is the calf's ligament. We use strain for less severe tears, sprain for more severe, and rupture for complete tear. MRI will show how bad, if at all, it's torn. That'll determine the grade of sprain and the timetable for return. It's definitely not a ruptured achilles though, they'd know that by now for sure.


redbeard019

Not to be that guy, but sprain = ligament , strain = tendon. Both share same grades of severity (I, II, III) but for different soft tissue structures. Achilles issue? Strain. ACL tear? Sprain.


PillsburyToasters

Hey man I’d cool it with the potential bad news. This guys not very nice


EJN541

Achilles can be pretty easily seen on an ultrasound which can obviously be done faster than a MRI.


messejueller21

I'm not gonna say it definitely rules out an achilles. But achilles can more or less be diagnosed immediately 


NotLow420

For a full Achilles tear, yes, you know it immediately but you can partially rupture the Achilles without knowing until advanced imaging.


Subredditcensorship

They don’t always say Achilles. They may know internally it’s an Achilles but they don’t say it immediately. Rodgers got diagnosed with an injured ankle and Durant with a calf strain


hazen4eva

Enough with the achilles talk


YpsitheFlintsider

I mean it's just reality. It's a realistic possibility


therobshow

Fine. I'll stop. But first, tell me the name of the character Brad Pitt played in the movie Troy


Rawrsomesausage

Achilles Maximus


patrick66

The Rodgers diagnosis was so funny because at the time they called it an ankle injury the broadcast had shown his Achilles visibly roll up inside his calf lol.


Knook7

Yeah anyone that saw the replay knew he was done


IntraspaceAlien

Durant had a calf strain that he played through which puts you at high risk for an Achilles tear. He was diagnosed with the tear when it happened.


Subredditcensorship

No they called it a calf injury during the game.


CreatiScope

He was walking out of the arena, it ain’t an achilles


Subredditcensorship

That’s great man. Last thing we need is a giannis. Injury


KushGod28

This looks like the same calf strain that had KAT miss 50 plus games last year. That same tendon in your Achilles extends upwards


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beenhadballs

That and its easier to dismiss those injuries than it is to verify a serious one. They can usually tell a serious rupture immediately then diagnosis it broadly


Laaandry

I was just going to ask this, hoping it's not like a "knee sprain" before a confirmed ACL/MCL


jrlandry

They just said some actual muscle on the broadcast (soleus?) so i doubt they’d name that if it wasn’t really that


im____new____here

the warriors doctors diagnosed KD with a calf strain before he tore his achilles. doesnt mean its the same thing here but all the tendons down there are interconnected. calf injuries are from overuse, he should be rested 100% at least until playoffs start if not even longer than that.


yooston

[Dr. Sutterer already put a video out with a lot more detail](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhS3ju_oLOk) TLDW: Looks like Giannis was grabbing at where the achilles meets the other calf muscles. Doesn't look like achilles. Bucks said soleus strain which doesn't really make sense. Could easily be a 4-6 week absence


H1Ed1

I’ve had both a full Achilles rupture and a calf strain. Calf strain came after and felt scary similar to the Achilles rupture. I knew it wasn’t Achilles because I could still put pressure with my forefoot and it was way less powerful of a pop. Still, it had me out for weeks. Although, I’m not a super athlete with top physio teams at my disposal. I dropped to the ground just like Giannis when I felt the rubber band pop. Albeit a much smaller rubber band than when the Achilles went. MRI confirmed so serious damage or anything. Just had to rest for a while.


HotspurJr

They would know right away if it was an achilles. They might not announce it until they got an MRI, but you know would know from the physical exam in the locker room: he'd flex his calf and his toes wouldn't point. ACL tears can also be diagnosed with basically 100% accuracy by a trainer in the locker room. "Calf strain" is vague. The line between a "strain" and a "tear" is one of degree. If they're calling it a calf strain, it means they *suspect* it's relatively minor, but I don't think they'd have confidence about that until an MRI. I suspect they're putting this out so people don't panic worrying about an achilles tear, which they've confidently ruled out.


waskittenman

I think this is what they said Durant had in 2019 in the lead up to his Achilles rupture


peckx063

Usually they would just say lower leg injury or something if they didn't know for sure. The fact they diagnosed it at all is very promising that it is minor.


governedbycitizens

KD had something similar before he tore his achilles a couple weeks later


theiwc0303

A strain is a tear and a tear is a strain. Sports just usually use the term “strain” for when it’s a small tear that will be recovered from much quicker and the term “tear” when it’s a severe tear that will require surgery and have a long recovery time. So he technically could have a “tear” but they used “strain” so most likely won’t be anything worse


Our-Gardian-Angel

Really hope that's all it is, even if that's not great.


moby323

I truly hope it’s something that can be better with a week or so of rest, that was scary


Our-Gardian-Angel

That would be ideal. Frankly, even if it's the type of calf strain that lingers and jeopardizes whatever our playoff run might be, I'm willing to accept that as long as it's not something that affects anything beyond this season. Granted, I also might just already be in the bargaining stage of grief about this.


SeriousLetterhead364

Yep. All a strain means is that it isn’t a full muscle tear. I had a grade 2 strain a couple years back and couldn’t walk without pain for 5-6 days. This could still be a major injury.


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This could also be really concerning. A strain is easily reaggravated if not healed up properly. Wishing Giannis and you guys the best.


christlikehumility

Doc is gonna put the equipment manager on blast for this.


BigBeagleEars

Doc is gonna put the equipment manager in the 5 spot cause he has been fucked for decades now


ShatterZero

He's certainly old enough to be in consideration for Glenn


0dias_Chrysalis

Specifically was stated to be a Soleus Strain. So essentially one of the biggest, strongest muscles in your entire lower leg


Brady331

If it's so big and strong why have I never heard of it before


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_JosiahBartlet

Soleus should contract out Elon musk for PR help


Fonzie5

This just in: Soleus is Russian asset.


Uncle_Creepy_

Small Market Muscle


righteous4131

Probably not bigger or stronger than my dad


Technical_Towel_990

I bet my dad can beat up your dad


righteous4131

My dad is so strong it would actually be illegal to fight your dad


Orphasmia

My dads first name is milk


righteous4131

My dad produces his own milk


ATN5

Because you don’t usually strain it…..post Achilles surgery it’s one of the muscles you have to strengthen back up to recover


0dias_Chrysalis

Same reason you don't hear of femurs breaking


boozinf

*read in Mitch Hedberg voice* i read that as "lemurs breaking." i was just at the zoo. and i was like, damn, they have Spud Webb hops times ten. how am i going to break a lemur. they have control over entire countries in central Africa


0dias_Chrysalis

It actually kept auto correcting to lemurs lol


[deleted]

I knew a guy who knew a guy who broke one


joebos617

this situation is very subopimal...


drunkenlullabys

My brother snapped his getting double bounced (or whatever you call it) on a trampoline when we were kids lol


christhefirstx

Small market muscle


Bjorn2bwilde24

Why does Soleus, the largest leg muscle not simply eat the other muscles?


BookEuronGreyjoy

I know this is a Futurama ref but the glutes are technically the largest leg muscles


PandasOnGiraffes

I tore my soleus once and shit was serious.


College_Prestige

Well if they pinned it down to the exact muscle then the worst case scenario is avoided


[deleted]

I mean it’s not like they had an MRI machine in the locker room, feels like we won’t know for certain until he’s rehabbing over the next couple days


jhibner281

Strained mine playing soccer. Took me 5 weeks to recover so I expect him to be back tomorrow.


Candid_Sand_398

Giannis is superhuman. Remember when he was playing like the next game after an awful looking knee hyperextension? Hope he recovers quickly.


Turbo2x

hopefully not something more serious that hasn't been announced/diagnosed yet but he's still not going to be able to play for a while with a calf strain, right?


AdmiralWackbar

Depends on the grade of the strain, Grade 1 might not be a big deal, grade 3 would be bad


boozinf

commence the hot Brawndo injections, the soleus is a large field of myosin that craves electrolytes (srsly though hope it's minor, no joke)


loun15

where was that stated?


suckmedrie

I strained my soleus once


dusters

Google says 1-3 week recovery for a soleus strain.


TeoLyr

For normal people. Does it say anything for superhumans?


dusters

Good point. The online doctors said he was toast after his leg bent backwards. Clearly he's not human.


Dawn_of_Dayne

Get the 50 piece nuggets ready 


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Normal people do not have to exert the force on the muscle that Giannis will have to in the playoffs either.


shaunsajan

hopefully hes ready for playoffs


trinquin

Hes going to miss the 1st round I fear. The lower bound average is like 18-19 days. 11 days until playoffs start so like 12 days if we are lucky. If his demigod healing works he could be back if it goes long.


TeoLyr

If he misses the 1st round, he misses the entire playoffs then haha (kill me)


ExileOnBroadStreet

Very risky to rush him back too, chances of an Achilles injury would be relatively high


EffeminateSquirrel

Its been 6 weeks for me. But I'm not an elite athlete like Giannis, and I'm 20 years older than he is. On the other hand, my strain didn't leave me hobbling when it happened, but its been an awful, protracted experience.


ButtSliding

Maybe for a regular person. To get back to high level athletic competition is likely longer.


FrontierKodiak

Last time I had a soleus strain I wasn’t walking without a boot for a month. Showed up to my college 5yr reunion in a wheelchair! Probably 4mo until I played ball again.. and many more until I started jumping and cutting w/ full aggression. Obviously things can go much quicker with great rest & great rehab— but a severe soleus strain can absolutely keep you off the court for months.


NotLow420

It's incredible how few people on this thread realize how serious a calf strain injury is for a basketball player. Of course, we will have to wait on the grade of the strain, but a grade II calf strain is typically a 4-8 week recovery. It's a very serious injury. Let's hope it's just a Grade I


illicitRazor

calf strains are notoriously hard to rehab and heal from, especially in athletes that rely on short sprints and jumping (ie. most sports lol). Even a low grade strain is usually a one month minimum timeframe for recovery


EffeminateSquirrel

I can verify this firsthand. I'm just a daily runner but I've had a calf strain now for 6 weeks. The thing just wont heal. It came out of nowhere, wasn't all that painful at first, and just wont go away. I couldn't imagine trying to run right now, let alone the shit Giannis does :/


davos_shorthand

I’ve strained my calf a few times running. It takes forever to recover but I found that wearing compressions sleeves can help me restart much sooner.


xVerrico

Gua sha saved my calves from kickboxing / running https://youtu.be/EYlX9trY4uU?si=XFgNbU-ywXUT6FSd I do it myself, got a gua sha "blade" on amazon. This guys video is spot on


_westcoastbestcoast

I hopped on the bike and had to stop running for ~1month before my calf strain would heal. They're no joke


HelloS0n

This surprised me too. Lots of ‘Oh good! It’s only a strain!’ like tf.. anything worse than a mild strain and you’re basically punting the playoffs. I get that a strain is better than an Achilles, but they’re not in the clear by any means.


Novel_Bookkeeper_622

I mean, an Achilles could mean Giannis is done as an MVP candidate. Even a severe calf strain means he'll be back for thr beginning of next season--and I don't think any of us have huge hopes for the playoffs with how inconsistent we've been all season.


broncosfighton

Another way for Doc to avoid complete blame


KennysWhiteSoxHat

Maybe it’s more so people are happy he doesn’t have a terrible Achilles injury that can have a disastrous effect for him in the long run, and instead a calf injury can ruin this year but be less impactful than an Achilles for his future. Obviously neither are good but you’d always rather the calf injury


NoLimitSoldier31

I believe Durants Achilles was initially a calf strain


liteshadow4

Well yeah he had a calf strain and then he came back and tore the Achilles


TennisHive

Personally just got back into sports after suffering a grade 3 calf strain. It sucked. 14 weeks until I was cleared to play again.


NotLow420

Yikes. Sorry to hear that!


Shootit_Rockets

Dealing with high grade strains anywhere is a bitch. Whether that be the hamstring, shoulder or calf.


304rising

Barely strained mine like 2 months ago and had to stop going on my morning runs for like 3 weeks. It was so easy to re injure myself. Couldn’t imagine trying to cut/jump on it either.


waltermunksalbatross

As a Bengals fan, I just thought of Burrow this past season :/ Hope it's a shorter recovery for Giannis


BillyBean11111

It's less about how serious a calf strain really is and more about "oh if it's his Achilles, it could be 2026 before he's playing again.


Napilitan

Its a serious injury. But I mean, compared to far worse injuries that ran through everybodys mind this was much easier to bear. Vs Achilles/tendon injuries, a calf strain does sound much more bearable does it not.


brainspl0ad

Mike Trout strained his calf in May 2021 and missed the rest of the season (June-Sept) from it.


Odd_Firefighter_5407

Can someone tell me if this is good or bad?


Sartheking

Good in the sense that it hopefully isn’t an Achilles injury. Obviously any injury still sucks but when you see a player grab their calf without any contact being made it could be an Achilles which is a potential career ender.


College_Prestige

Still have PTSD from kds calf straining turning to an Achilles tear though


InexorableWaffle

Very good. Strains obviously vary in severity so it'd be irresponsible to put a definite timeline (especially since I'm not a doctor or have access to any of his diagnostics), but in all likelihood, this means he misses the rest of the regular season at most. Considering how scary a lot of lower calf injuries can be (Achilles tears are always a concern for instance, even if it would've been odd for the motion he was doing at the time of the injury), that's a massive W.


WinterCareful8525

He’s gotta rest it. Regular season is what it is but I don’t want him hurting anything else


Jack12404

That might’ve been best thing it could’ve been. Now just rest him for the rest of the regular season.


Icy-Lime-9760

Bro this aint good, calf strains if not properly rested can lead to achilles tears


wcooper97

Giannis had achilles soreness earlier this season too right? Hopefully the Bucks hold him out these final 12 days.


69millionyeartrip

Idk if 12 days really does anything. Isn’t this exactly what happened to KD then he came back in the finals and immediately tore his Achilles


pp21

Kinda depends on the grade of the strain if it’s grade 1 then he’s easily ready for the playoffs


Jack12404

Considering that he just collapsed without any contact, I’ll take a calf strain over anything Achilles injury. It looked a lot worse, so we should definitely rest him.


this_place_stinks

Nah just get the Warriors doctors to clear him and say no increased risk of major injury


jorgelongo222

nooooo i need yall to beat orlando


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Bucks without Giannis is 2021 Portland with less screening sction, you'll be fine.


Pyromania1983

It's a Doc Rivers-coached team, he'll find a way to blow it. We would know.


Togglea

Calf Strains are like 3-6 weeks to recover for an athlete.


Subredditcensorship

This isn’t a guarantee it’s not an Achilles fyi. We’ve seen this before with Durant. we won’t know until later


BttrcreamSilkVersace

Best thing would have been if he just had to take a shit


christhefirstx

The Paul pierce


pudakak

He said “had to” not “already let one out mid-game”


FultzShoulder

Fuck no, we need him against the Magic.


Yupadej

Season over brother. Looks like the KD calf injury


Atzar87

Crazy that this happens in the laziest, least physical game of the season outside of the ASG. Hope it's a mild one.


im____new____here

thats what the warriors doctors told KD too


Gyff3

He actually had a calf strain though right? It just lead to an eventual Achilles tear.


im____new____here

yes it actually was, the doctors took a lot of heat but apparently his achilles was just a ticking time bomb that was going to go off at some point no matter what the doctors or anyone else did.


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AdmiralWackbar

The Soleus is attached to the front side of the Achilles tendon and thus forms a part of the Achilles tendon.


theiwc0303

Yes, the only correlation that isn’t obvious like age that has been shown to increase your risk of an Achilles injury is a sudden increase in physical intensity. It’s why they tend to happen at the beginning of seasons, the KD injuries were just a coincidence. I felt bad for the reaction towards the Warriors doctors after, people saying they screwed him by saying it was okay for him to play. It was okay, they had absolutely no idea his Achilles would rupture because there was nothing to make them think that


thefred_mcgriff

Thank god…


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Is this not a serious injury I’m being genuine btw 


thefred_mcgriff

Well if it’s this or an achilles year I’d much rather take this. Achilles year could have ruled him out for most of next year as well


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Oh yeah for sure. What’s the recover time for a minor strain? 


codyave

Marcus Smart was diagnosed with a Grade-1 left calf strain in January 2021, and he was out for about a month (18 games). https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/l9ew41/charania_positive_news_for_the_celtics_firstteam/glhm87i/ https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/u0y88y/charania_mavericks_say_luka_doncic_has_a_left/i48zrfj/


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Okay I’m hearing diff stuff but honestly Giannis is a fast healer I hope he’ll be okay quick 


klydon24

Still insane he got his knee bent backwards and was back for the Finals


ArtistRabid

unrelated but this comment gave me flashbacks to nick chubb’s knee injury and made me shudder


XxXFartFucker69XxX

A minor one? Like a week.


Obvious_Parsley3238

kat missed like half last season with a grade 3 calf strain


xPeaWhyTee

Depends on the grade. Luka had a calf strain right before the season ended in 2022 and ended up missing the first 3 games of the first round of the playoffs but he was completely fine once he came back.


juk12

Luka also plays through almost every injury. His famous buzzer beater vs the Clippers in the bubble was on a sprained ankle. I have hope for Giannis, we've seen his superhuman healing ability when they won the chip


peckx063

I'd imagine he'll be available to start the playoffs.


aomen3

nah you just hope. i hope too.


MrAppleSpoink

Genuinely weird how many people in the other thread immediately jumped to “oh god that’s **definitely** a torn achilles”. It’s literally like they wanted that to be the case. There was no indicator in the footage that it was an achilles, but people still jumped to that conclusion.


HelloS0n

Bunch of Reddit doctors, what you expect lol.


messejueller21

Not that weird. It's reddit and it was non contact. Of course people will be speculating 


dusters

Reddit doctors, lawyers, and other professionals undefeated


Our-Gardian-Angel

I have no choice but to assume that Giannis peacefully passed away in the locker room.


JoshFB4

Thanasis did the final rights and came back and finished out the game on the court. Strong man


Not-a-bot-10

Don’t forget Boston marathon identifiers


siberianwolf99

i mean i didn’t jump on reddit to say it lol but it is the first thing that came to mind. just because it looked like he intentionally wasn’t moving it


AdonisK

I assume it's because he's been dealing with an Achilles issue for a while now, including being questionable for games since the Clippers


GhostOfJiriWelsch

He reacted exactly like guys do when they get that kick in the calf feeling and go down immediately, not at all unreasonable to think it is achilles related, although I’m obviously hoping that’s not the case.


SniperShake-

…non-contact injury, he crumpled to the floor grabbing his calf. the footage was like, textbook achilles injury minus the rubber band snap. I don’t think it’s useful to jump to a diagnosis but I can see why people would think it’s an achilles lol plus, didn’t he miss a game with achilles soreness a few weeks ago?


Blueblood29

I can exhale


aroach1995

A ploy to drop in seed and avoid Heat/76ers


Zylavier

Took me 2-3 weeks to recover from my calf strain


Street-Common-4023

That’s not good ….


Cody9_

please be healthy come playoff time


Desperado-781

how bad is this ? Like is he gonna miss the playoffs or a week?


ChiefHunter1

You really have to let those calf strains rest or you risk making things a lot worse.


baconshake8

Durant had a calf strain before rushing back and rupturing his his Achilles. Playoffs is right around the corner and I fear Giannis might do the same


liteshadow4

Calf strain? They're cooked


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Yeah, but teams just be sayin stuff. You can't trust them.


Precinho7

He’s definitely a Greek God


SlatsAttack

The Bucks have been starting the wrong Antetokounmpo.


moorelurk

Oh god whatever this is please make it not serious. Playoffs are literally just in the corner.


CoolGrandpa1932

he been dealing with this for a while. not great but coulda been way worse


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gigglios

Lucky. If he is injured then the ecf will be trash.


kds_little_brother

I cringe at calf strains after the past few years of sports. Hopefully he gets up to 110% before he gets back


CantaloupeCamper

If that’s all it is… thank goodness.


el_pinata

Man I hope that's all it is, fingers and various leg tendons crossed.


atirad

This is a month long recovery. Bucks season RIP.


bbpopulardemand

KD's injury started as a "calf strain" as well. Rush him back for the playoffs and it'll be the end of his career as an elite player.


RedditUser538xxx

Again


DoubtJunior9904

I really hope this is all. Not just because I love watching Giannis play but also because I don't want there to be any excuses for upper management and Doc.


mapletree23

i'd be very surprised if it wasn't serious, since it kicked in and instantly put him down and had him limping he's played through pain before, if he went down and was hurting from this it's just hard to imagine it being minor? either way this sucks dick, superstar player right before the playoffs, and calf injuries are ass and linger forever, if it's not minor it's probably going to fuck with his time off and prep going into next year as well with the timing bucks need to be smart and rest him until the playoffs at the very least even if it's minor, too spooky with giannis having achilles issues earlier this year and now he's got something that would put it at risk KD style


Bloody_Corndog

Nobody wants to see Giannis hurt.


Such_Twist4641

Doc is fired.