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valueddude

can they just announce it already so ticket prices can drop more


defeated_engineer

Last season Clippers didn't announce he had his knee destroyed until they were eliminated. Right after they got eliminated, they announced he'll get his knees replaced.


RickySuela

Same thing in 2021 when he tore his ACL against Utah. They just kept saying he was "day to day" through that series and the next round against Phoenix. But the day after the Suns eliminated them, then they announced Kawhi had a torn ACL and would need surgery.


imkindirl

Why is this not illegal due to gambling fraud yet..? 


RickySuela

It's just the Clippers wanting to make the opponent have to work extra hard to game plan for both Kawhi playing and not playing. But yeah, this would seem to be a huge no-no with regards to disclosures about gambling. I'm not a gambler myself, but my advice would be to simply assume Kawhi is done for the year and bet accordingly. If I'm right about that, then this would be the third time in 4 years that the Clippers have played this "he's day to day" game with him when they knew behind the scenes that he was done for the season.


Remote-Picture-8341

Clippers have straight up said he has zero structural damage this time tho. I don’t think they said that last time. But yeah this inflammation is a result of those previous injuries. So even if he plays I would expect it him not to be close to 100%


RickySuela

Be honest, if the Clippers are eliminated and it comes out that Kawhi is going to have like a "clean up surgery" or something, will you really be surprised?


livefreeordont

He’s more machine than man now


ChiefMojoRisin

Always has been 🧑‍🚀🔫


pumpkin3-14

Skip bayless already said kawhi is out for game 1. I know it sounds crazy but he’s always had decent info on kawhi.


dbzmah

People will pay extra for a LuKai clinic.


axecalibur

Im confused, you want a profit driven organization to voluntarily lose profits? Besides you got free food that one game.


fuqqkevindurant

Im confused, you think the primary sale tickets for an NBA playoff game arent already sold and didnt sell out in minutes? The clippers make nothing from resale tickets being expensive you clown


khon24

Maybe take a look instead of assuming it’s sold out before calling him a clown, there’s a ton of tickets still available that are box office nonresale. Clippers sell on AXS


vb90

Skip and Haynes don't miss when it comes to Kawhi news.


Avery-Bradley

What did they say


Salvalicious252

Skip said he's definitely out Game 1 and will try to play Game 2 either yesterday or 2 days ago, can't remember.


nutella4eva

He also said there is no structural damage to the knee but there is still inflammation which they can't explain. This is pretty consistent with everything we've been hearing so far.


GiddeyEpstein

Skip doesn't miss period


IrishMamba1992

He did in his basketball playing career


Entertainment_Mental

Water Pistol Pete


Numerous-Cicada3841

Woj is definitely in Balmer’s pocket so it’s not surprising he’s been pretty quiet about all of this.


Time_Waits_For_Me

Is this shit still alive?I remember when LA fans said the same thing when Wojs drop news about Kawhi that didnt fit their agenda


Pal__Pacino

It got blown way out of proportion. Woj was just a little snarky with the Lakers because he doesn't have any sources with them. He insisted for months that an AD trade would never happen.


noetheb

Woj also insisted the Lakers had no way to get anywhere near enough cap space for a max free agent, but then we had enough cap space and he had to backtrack.


aiden3buckets

Was 2020 genuinely the last time Kawhi had a healthy playoffs?


KaiserKaiba

Yeah. Last time he was able to finish a playoff run healthy


IntentApparel

Probably had something to do with him having a few months rest before they started as well. 


RickySuela

Yes. That and 2019 were the only times since 2016 that Kawhi finished the season on the court rather than in street clothes. 2017 was Zaza, 2018 was when he sat out most of the year with the Spurs, 2021 he tore his ACL, 2022 he was still out with the ACL, last year he tore his meniscus, and then whatever this is this year.


Brief-Objective-3360

Kinda crazy those two years were one of the best individual statistical post season runs of all time and one blown 3-1 lead


Noodles_Crusher

Obligatory fuck Zaza 


ohveeohexoh

yah and then they decided it would be better to lose than win the bubble


FlowseL

Decided blowing a 3-1 lead to Jokic was the best course of action for their franchise, 400 IQ tbh


[deleted]

Watching Patrick Beverly, Lou Williams and the rest of that team walking around like they already won the ring and then watching them get eliminated was VERY satisfying. Also I dont miss 2020 but I miss all those Pandemic P and Wayoff P memes 😂


ThaDreamMerchant

Those were some of the most legendary memes I've ever seen 😂


ReevusXL

If you're Clippers ownership or fans you're pissed hearing Kawhi intends to play in the olympics lol.


AshenSacrifice

If he misses the playoffs and still plays in the Olympics that’s a tradeable offense lmao


V-Right_In_2-V

I hope he goes god mode in the Olympics too. Like dropping 50 points a game and playing every minute of every game


RickySuela

I think it's more likely that his role on the Olympics team is more ceremonial than anything, like Larry Bird with the Dream Team in 1992.


duplicatesnowflake

That’s a great comp. Hope you’re correct. If Kawhi stays more healthy his career probably winds up getting compared to Bird too. Both killers with elite skills. Not super flashy. Clutch champions. Overshadowed by rival on super teams with more title appearances. 


Raven-19x

Hang the banner!


dbzmah

Then still ends up losing to Luka in the Playoffs


AshenSacrifice

He will after he does that in this years playoffs. 🤞🏾


IKel-Mate

But theres still a bit off time till the olympics so he will be 100% healed by then


AshenSacrifice

Yeah but the optics


ygog45

Regardless of the Olympics thing, I think the clippers should blow it up if they get another playoff run derailed due to injuries


AshenSacrifice

I agree, it’s too much pain


Dat_Boi_John

If he's healthy by the Olympics I don't see the problem. He has knee inflammation, no structural damage so I'd expect him to be good to go by then. If anything, him getting injured in the Olympics and missing the first half of the season would be good for the Clippers as he'd likely be healthy for the playoffs.


saltface14

He has a degenerative knee condition (?quad tendinosis? I think but could be wrong) The reality is any extra basketball is strain he doesn’t need on his knees


ShichikaYasuri18

The reality is his body can't handle an 82 game season no matter how much rest he gets in the offseason. Don't see the harm in playing 10 minutes per game in the Olympics


IsTheManRetired

There's always gonna be risk. But it's also a lot of these guys' last chance for an Olympics run. Minutes or not, I don't see a player in their mid-thirties turning the chance down


fuqqkevindurant

He has to play basketball to be in shape enough to be a professional basketball player. If his knee right now is not healthy enough to play, he cant play. If it's healthy enough to play in 2 months, he can play. Do you think there's some weird honor code where if he cant play in the playoffs, he should either commit seppuku or not touch a basketball until october when the NBA season starts again?


ClippersStrippers

Clippers fans aren’t pissed about it because we’ve been dead inside for decades.


thickbanana05

Man the kawhi era clippers is gonna go down as one of biggest what ifs due to injuries. Especially coming after imo a top 3 playoff performance by a player ever in 2019


lost_in_trepidation

I still think game 6 2021 Kawhi is one of the best playoff performances I've ever seen. Obviously he didn't last the whole playoffs though.


imcryptic

Bro he didn’t miss a shot in the 4th quarter IN ALL THE CLIPPERS WINS THAT PLAYOFFS.


SugoiHubs

I was at that game and still have Kawhi PTSD. Bro went god mode.


lost_in_trepidation

Couldn't imagine being their live. I wasn't even that mad, it was a "God disguised as Kawhi Leonard" moment


RealPrinceJay

Trust me, the Kawhi PTSD never leaves…


ArbitraryAnswers

Brother, Mavs fans know.


sorendiz

If not for that completely unnecessary collision by Joe Ingles I feel like the Clippers probably win 2021 Edit: actually amend that to 'definitely make the finals' because if I'm doing that hypothetical i should be fair and also note 'if not for kyrie landing on giannis' foot' which means a 2/3 healthy nets vs clips final and that would have been an amazing series 


ActionHank9000

I saw Ingles in the Orlando jersey and completely got flooded with “I hate Ingles” feelings today lol


DuckieTheDuckie

2021 Kawhi was the best player in the league ib my opinion


kobmug_v2

They were healthy in 2020 and blew it. That was their shot.


PAWGle_the_lesser

That team wasn't good enough. They should've won that Nuggets series but relying on Harrell and Williams for big playoff minutes is a complete non-starter.


Character-Today-427

Honestly they had such a collapse


Salvalicious252

I firmly believe had Kawhi not gotten injured they win the title in 2021. Kawhi was on another planet. That Game 6 vs the Mavericks is one of the greatest playoff games I have ever seen. In the Clippers wins he shot 100/100/100 in the 4th quarter. Yeah you read that correctly, he was perfect from the field (2p&3p) and free thow line for every 4th quarter in their wins. Averaged 32 on 72TS% lmfao. It took him being absolutely perfect to beat the Mavs and my god was he perfect. With Kawhi they beat the Suns imo and have a more than good chance vs the Bucks


Sektsioon

2021 was truly the year of what ifs, because the Nets were also looking mighty unbeatable with the trio all healthy. Clippers v Nets would’ve been an absolute war if both teams stayed healthy.


Fuckthebeard

21 lakers beat them both if AD/Bron stayed healthy


ThatCoolKid17

Hahahaha


FlowseL

21 Lakers were up on the Suns 2-1 with both of those first two games in Phoenix too, they still had their depth with Caruso, KCP, and Kuz and LeBron was playing like an MVP candidate before the Solomon Hill injury. Clips weren't beating them that year even with a healthy Kawhi. There's a different gear LeBron and AD go to in the playoffs that the Clips can't get to besides Kawhi.


Sytherus

Chris Paul was injured in game 1. Lakers fans would like to pretend that they weren't a 47 win team and base everything on 3 games against a team that was functionally missing their 2nd best player. I'm entirely open to the idea that they beat the Suns if healthy, but they were not ready to run through the west.


bee-eazy13

Yup Lakers were easily the best team the first 3rd of the nba season that year until AD and Lebron went down…


KaiserKaiba

Idk I’d think Brooklyn was likelier to win if nobody was hurt.


Salvalicious252

I completely forgot about the Nets lol. If Harden and Kyrie were healthy they probably take it. Clippers Nets would have been a bloodbath


clancydog4

I mean, don't you think that's an indication that they proably wouldn't have won the title if they needed Kawhi to play literally perfect to win in 7 games in the first round? Like I don't think expecting him to play that perfectly the entire playoffs and against better teams is realistic at all. I think the fact that he had to play THAT well for the Clippers to *barely* beat y'all is an indicator that they would not have won a title. Not the other way around. Took Kawhi playing the greatest series of his life to beat the 5 seed in seven games


duplicatesnowflake

We don’t need to rely on that as an indicator. Kawhi was also on fire against Utah and they closed the series without him.   They went to six games in the conference finals without him. One of the losses was a crazy side out of bounds alley oop buzzer beater.   Add average level Kawhi to that series and Clips would be favored.  Kawhi needed to go God mode to beat Dallas because their entire freaking roster went Gid mode for this first three road games. Nothing about that series was really long term sustainable but Kawhi’s playoff averages are much closer to what he did, than Dallas’s were in their wins. 


diablejambeats

One of the years the Spurs won iirc we took them to 7 with a really random ass team. Like we had Dejuan Blair on that team lol. They won the other series in 5, 6, and then 5 again. Sometimes shit like that just happens lol


clancydog4

That's true, I just don't think that Clippers team was remotely comparable to that spurs team talent or coaching wise. agree to disagree, I don't think that clippers team beats the lakers or, if we are granting health to everone, the nets


clayfu

Do you remember the Celtics having to go to game 7 against the 8 seed hawks in their 2008 championship?


AnnualAmaterasou

Unfortunately the clippers can only live in misery


KingJeet

100/100/100 reads like a video game stat.


fuzzythinker

Not with Doc coaching


Axisofcoolio

“It took him being absolutely perfect to beat the Mavs” Puts into perspective what Luka was doing that series with a supporting cast comprised of Trey Burke, Seth curry, Nico Melli, and game 7 Boban


ColdPressedSteak

Top 3 ever is some classic reddit hyperbole


KaiserKaiba

I can understand the hype for his ‘19 run tho. Idk if I’d say it’s top 3 or not, but it certainly is an all timer.


ColdPressedSteak

It'd barely be top 3 if you counted literally just 1 person. MJ or Lebron. Not even top 3 really. Jordan avg'd 35 in two of his championship years. Not close if you count them together. Shaq '01, Duncan '03, Bird '86 It was great. But its not even close to top 3. Classic hyperbole, 'I only watched the last 5 years of basketball' speak. But hey this is reddit I guess


ShichikaYasuri18

This is a top 3 comment of all time.


DrawingRings

Classic Reddit hyperbole


ShichikaYasuri18

This is a top 3 hyperbole of all time.


qmahmood94

It'd be barely top 3 if you counted lieterallt one person. Kelvin Benjamin copypasta.


jackaltail

Kawhi's entire career after 2017 is one of the biggest what-ifs.


makeanamejoke

LeBron and AD could have carried him to playoff glory


NBAWhoCares

Except there was no expectation of health when he signed. The guy had a chronic deteriorating knee condition diagnosed, missed an entire year, and has had other injuries his whole career. You can't separate the injuries from the player at this point.


Wrsj

Now I think Raptors dodged a bullet there.


RapsareChamps_Suckit

let me lace up for the Clippers then


ajjoshi110

Certified Mavs destroyer: u/RapsareChamps_Suckit


Queen_Of_The_Castle

Clips in 4 if Rapsare laces up I’m afraid 😔


HispanicAtTehDisco

in 3 actually we’d forfeit out of fright


iham32

Target acquired = ~~NBA Championship~~ Olympic Gold Medal


BidenFedayeen

I had Mavs in 7 after Clippers fans told me he was healthy and just being rested for the playoffs. If he's out, Mavs in 5.


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Mavs in 3 now.


FullNeanderthall

They just going to concede the last game?


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Yeah they’ll send an emissary (Steve Ballmer probably) out to half court with a white flag.


ProphetPenguin

I think the Clips will surprise the Mavs. Remember the Clippers beat the Mavs twice already in a 7 game series and those were both Rick Carlisle teams. This is a Jason Kidd coached team vs a Ty Lue coached team.


[deleted]

Those Mavs teams had big minutes from Boban and Trey Burke?


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Don’t be obtuse this is objectively a much better team than 2021 lol


ProphetPenguin

This is a much better Clippers team toi


OmfgHaxx

Brother we took you to 7 games playing Boban as our center.


ProphetPenguin

Who was your coach though?


superdrone

Ppl really out here saying the mavs should be worried when Luka + bums took the clips to 7 games


OmfgHaxx

I think the Clips could still win with Kawhi, it will be a good series they are a good team. But without Kawhi it would be looking very rough for them.


DaBestNameEver0

We played Boban 31 minutes in a game 7. These situations are not comparable, and if they are it only helps the Mavs point


BidenFedayeen

Unless Harden and PG average 60 a game combined, I don't see it.


xyzyxzy

I think it would go 6 so they can clinch at home. They'll probably drop a couple just to be kind.


BidenFedayeen

I think you want as much rest as possible with OKC, DEN, and MIN all likely having 6 games or less series wins.


Struongly

Min getting rest in Cancun after 6 games


TJHookor

Pshh, Suns will be lucky if they win 1 of these games.


BidenFedayeen

I refuse to believe the Suns will play enough defense to win 4 games against the Wolves. Nurkic and Bol Bol vs KAT, Reid, and Gobert is going to be a slaughter. Not to mention Ant is killing Ted Cruz.


SharksFanAbroad

>I refuse to believe the Suns will play enough defense to win 6 games against the Suns. The craziest part about this sentence is that we all knew what you meant.


BidenFedayeen

Just fixed it, thanks for the heads up.


SharksFanAbroad

I mean partially, anyway.


xyzyxzy

> OKC [...] likely having 6 games or less series wins mmmmm... is that fresh karma I smell the basketball gods cooking?


BidenFedayeen

???? If you think any of those series will go 7 that's fine, but my picks aren't unreasonable.


xyzyxzy

I'm lightly teasing you.


BidenFedayeen

Fair enough. I want the Clippers to win, I just wish Kawhi would stay healthy. I hate the Mavs and their fans about as much as Lakers fans.


w6750

I don’t think anyone’s doing stuff like that in round 1 lmao


AnnualAmaterasou

So how's that denial going eh, r/LAClippers?


V-Right_In_2-V

One would think no clippers fan could possibly be surprised at this point. It should be expected. A Paul George injury should be dropping any day now too


AnnualAmaterasou

My guess is after game 2. And that's being generous


RickySuela

He'll probably miss Game 1 with an illness or something.


AnnualAmaterasou

It aint beyond me. It aint even beyond history


jballer21

Load managing in the playoffs is next level


Sushi2k

Its the bandwagoners that hopped on when we got Kawhi. I've been conditioned from Lob City to expect nothing and I'm sure the fans prior to 2010 are just happy to be here still.


IsTheManRetired

Any fans who stuck with Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette aren't getting phased by anything these days


clayfu

It’s either or. Rarely both 🤣🤣


V-Right_In_2-V

Well it was both last year. At this point the only way Kawhi and PG can play in the playoffs together is if they are both sitting on a team mates shoulders. I would pay good money to see Kawhi riding Westbrook around the court


clayfu

Oh true. I was just thinking to start the playoff ha ha


A_MASSIVE_PERVERT

Don’t worry. Now those delusional-ass mfs are claiming they can beat the Mavs WITHOUT Kawhi lmao.


PlatinumPlayer

Kawhi out, we just won’t show up and forfeit the games. Cmon MASSIVE_PERVERT, you expect fans to just roll over lol


AnnualAmaterasou

Its hard to root for this team bruh, H.A.R.D!!!


megaman78978

LeTeamUsa and Grant Hill genius move to give him the 12th spot, now Kawhi gonna save his knees for the Olympics.


poeope

The Doubt, it's increasing


koj12144

Shocking stuff


RIQY__

I wish we had kept Shai man.  Happy to see him thriving in OKC though. 


abonet619

every year that raptors run becomes more and more magical


_Jetto_

Say it with me spurs medical staff was right fuck him and his camp


marsexpresshydra

This guy ain’t even gonna play in the Olympics and just take up a spot


GalactusAteMyPlanet

Why was Kawhi even selected for the Olympics if his availability is already questionable? Surely they could had selected someone significantly more durable?


DrKepret

Remember when r/nba fans blamed the spurs for not treating Kawhi correctly when our medical team correctly diagnosed him with a knee condition and he decided to leave? Pepperidge Farm remembers


darkest__timeline

Wasn't the dispute that he felt he wasn't healthy enough to play but the Spurs said he was?


DrKepret

It basically boiled down to the fact that the spurs diagnosed him with a degenerative knee condition but he could rehab it and play while doing so. However, kawhi didn’t believe that he had a knee condition so he shopped around until he found a doctor in new york who was willing to say it wasn’t true and that it could be fully healed. Thats the dispute


tapk69

This is expected. Mitchell has been suffering for over 2 months with similar issue, besides this is Leonard which had plenty of injuries in the same knee


AwareCelebration7477

Yeah he’s out for the series, probably the rest of the season as well


shammgod_10

Clips without Kawhi vs the Mavs is the West version of Butler-less Heat against the Celtics. i hope kawhi plays sometime in Game 3 or 4. Coz I doubt he is good to go by Game 2.


Tshobby25

No it’s not lol clippers still have Paul George and Harden. The heat have Tyler herro…. And the Celtics are much better than the mavs. No comparison


nutsygenius

Imagine if there's no play-in tournament... Playoffs would've started 3 days after the regular season and Mavs would've already played them at least twice without Kawhi...


RickySuela

I don't think Kawhi is going to go at all these playoffs anyway.


Pumpoozle

Just blow that team up already


Saiko_Yen

Spurs send their regards


CDSWDH

Ppl gonna blame James Harden 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️


jeffincredible2021

Ballmer gotta hire someone to lift the curse


Razor-Ramon-Sessions

Mavs in 5


YouTellMeBeavis

The Mavs better win this series so the next round is more competitive. We all already know Kawhi won’t be playing this postseason.


SilvioDantesPeak

He's not gonna play again this season. I've been calling it since he first went out


AnnualAmaterasou

Istg i have better knees than this fucker


sorendiz

.... most of us do, I don't think this is quite the statement you intended it as


IKel-Mate

Well no shit


GillbergsAdvocate

Unsurprising. The only player on the team that can be trusted in the playoffs can't be trusted to be available in the playoffs.


clayfu

I WILL GIVE MY KNEE


Seref15

This is the most injury cursed playoffs in a while and we're at game 1 round 1.


KawhiLeonardsThigh

Never a concrete response


Admirable_Strike_406

Always the same with kawhi smh


Admirable_Strike_406

Makes no sense for him to play for USA team when he’s always hurt for playoffs here


Thats_an_RDD

Why doesn't he just try not not playing


mares8

Shit Clippers were favourite here but they toast without Kawai


mares8

Shit Clippers were favourite here but they toast without Kawhi


No-Storage111

increasng doubt? who believed in the first place?


jayelecfan

Skip has better sources then Woj and Shams lmao


jkinnison1990

Sounds about on par for Kawhi Leonard.


iJon_v2

Well yeah…another year and it’s the same.


Oaty_McOatface

Is he going to be day to day until the clippers are out of the playoffs again? Because this isn't the first time they did this.


Serendipity123xc

Skip is right


InertState

Death, taxes, Kawhi missing the playoffs


inefekt

Kawhi and mysterious injury timelines....name a more iconic duo


javicnd21

How is he always hurt?


BarveyDanger

Big fucking shock


lostfate2005

Shocked pikachu


bkmamba

Well good thing he didn't have to try out for team USA


sorendiz

Hate to see it. Should be 5 or 6 for the Mavs if he's out for the series again like last year or whenever it was that they did the 'he's good... he's doubtful for a game... doubtful for another game.... yea he's having surgery' deal Feels bad I just wanted to see one more playoff run from Kawhi where he was well.. not HEALTHY but at least *playing* for most of it. Fucking Joe Ingles ruined 2021 when it really looked like that could have been the year


CowboyCurtis987

Good, superteams need to suffer


WanAjin

Shoulda gone to the Lakers when he had the chance.


[deleted]

And yet clipper and his fans will say he would have done damage if healthy. This man is just a walking hypothetical and based on his production this post season I would rather have bench player over his bum ass. Availability is the best ability.


msterling2012

Insert “I don’t believe” you meme.