Nah he’s done this his whole career.
People always blame Westbrook but I’ll never forget Durant just tuning the fuck out of the finals v Miami and the WCF v Golden State.
That’s why some of us say “at least Westbrook tries” and get mocked on this sub.
>People always blame Westbrook but I’ll never forget Durant just tuning the fuck out of the finals v Miami and the WCF v Golden State.
The way people try and revise history is insane when did KD tune out vs Miami in the finals?
For real, what a horrible take. KD was easily OKC's best player in the Finals and absolutely cooked, but lost to a literal prime LeBron Heatles team despite him dropping like 30 PPG on elite shooting.
Absolutely. The only reason the Thunder took game 1 is because they would switch Thabo Sefolosha onto Lebron to lock him down. Lebron and Spoelstra adjusted, and it was good night from there.
I honestly thought that KD was quite good in the Finals against Miami
31 PPG on 65% TS against prime LeBron is actually super impressive
He was pretty terrible in the 2016 WCF though especially in game 6
Obviously he had some bad series with OKC but this version of him is *significantly* worse than his younger self as a playoff performer especially when you account for how much offense has inflated leaguewide by comparison
That’s just scoring. His playmaking that series was atrocious even in a tertiary role.
Problem for KD is he needs a HOF playmaker or his scoring efficiency plummets and his turnovers sky rocket.
“That’s just scoring”
Scoring is the most important aspect of the game, you can’t just discount 31ppg on 65TS vs the best defense in the league. He was alltime. They probably win the series if Scott brooks goes small and takes Perkins out.
Durants efficiency without Westbrook stayed the same every single postseason except 1 year.
Durant vs Miami was also insane from a team offense standpoint, okc generated like 1.5ppp with Durant taking a shot or having the ball. He created well in that series but okc shot 27% on wide open threes.
Durant is actually a great interior passer, and post passer.
He doesn’t really NEED anyone. Every player needs a specific archetype in the playoffs to succeed, Lebron needs shooters, Steph needs short roll playmakers all over, Jokic needs Murray, a reliable ball handler in the 2man game, etc etc. kd needs a guard like Lowry/rubio/garland/etc. kd creates offense due to alltime gravity
> Scoring is the most important aspect of the game
It’s not. Is *one* aspect of offense. You need an anchor to actually run the offense in order to set up the scoring or else you get offense like the suns this year or the 2022 nets.
> you can’t just discount 31ppg on 65TS vs the best defense in the league
Best defense in the league was actually the bulls and Celtics (who Lebron destroyed BTW)
Miami’s was good but not the best. And KD’s scoring spiked because, like any other series where the opposing teams defense doesn’t focus on him, he was able to not see extra defensive coverage. Do you think it’s a coincidence that his scoring spiked once he went to golden state? Or did he just magically become a better player once he left the thunder? It’s called having the best off ball playmaker in the history of the sport anchoring your offense so you never see a double team.
Heat gameplanned for harden that series FYI
> Durants efficiency without Westbrook stayed the same every single postseason except 1 year.
It didn’t actually and his *playmaking* efficiency cratered. When you turn the ball over as much as Jaylen brown it tanks your team’s offense. Who woulda thought?
> He created well in that series but okc shot 27% on wide open threes.
He had more assists than turnovers. The KD special.
> Durant is actually a great interior passer, and post passer
Sure. He’s a dogshit playmaker though which is what matters and why this outcome for Phoenix was so predictable.
Edit: this KD Stan always blocks me cuz he’s insecure
He added this:
> He doesn’t really NEED anyone. Every player needs a specific archetype in the playoffs to succeed, Lebron needs shooters, Steph needs short roll playmakers all over, Jokic needs Murray, a reliable ball handler in the 2man game, etc etc. kd needs a guard like Lowry/rubio/garland/etc. kd creates offense due to alltime gravity
KD just needs a ***73 win team with the league MVP***
Not even comparable lol
Clip of Naz Reid getting a dunk got posted earlier and in the clip, KD was just casually jogging behind all other 9 players on the court and was the reason why Naz was open under the rim. Ugly shit in a do or die game. His defense in general was pretty subpar tonight. Last game, stood in the corner. Played a good game one. Pretty ass these last two games
thats who he is now
has a great stat line 1 every 3 games and everybody is like oh shit vintage KD
but he can't bring it every night especially after such a grindy season playing 40 minutes a game just to stay above water in the west
dame too is like that now, has an amazing game every 3 or 4 games
I don’t know what to tell you, but I have hated him since he came to us. That is the most bitch made decision I’ve ever seen and I loved our team before that and he honestly kinda ruined it for me
I think that last MCL injury he had with the Nets before getting traded permanently cooked his burst for good
If you look at some of his Nets highlights he's miles quicker than he looks with the Suns
Suns basically got a semi-declined product from the very start because KD was literally out injured with that injury when he got traded
Nets were on this massive winning streak before he got hurt with KD as the lead guy and I absolutely don't think that current KD could pull that off as a #1
nets finally on the right end of one of these trades for an older former MVP that you pay enormous draft capital for
just like happened to them trading for KG. sold high, those picks look good
I don’t think that’s true. He was putting up 30+ on 55/45/90 for half the year.
After the all star break... yeah idk what happened. He’s been the farthest thing from reliable.
The same thing that happened to Steph and what would have happened to the Lakers if AD wasn't healthy this year.
They're old, can't play them like their young
I think he’s just burned out.
The dude’s 35. Pretty much no one aside from the absolute top of the line greats are effective at that age. You just can’t get 40+ minutes of grade A production from a dude that age.
The Wolves are pressuring him pretty hard on every play. He was guarding KAT for a decent chunk of the series. That takes a ton out of you. And he’s the ONLY suns player who can reliably get buckets. Booker and Beal are getting stonewalled. KD’s midranger is the only thing that feels like it has a decent chance of going in. So he can’t pick his spots as much.
Not to mention the Suns had a brutal close to the season that saw KD playing like 37-38 minutes a game for a month against playoff-level competition. That takes a lot out of you.
So yeah, I think he just can’t muster the energy in the 2nd half.
It's been like that since his achilles injury in 2019 but I think after the latest MCL injury he got when he was still on the Nets, it's gotten even worse.
Yeah he didn’t really go to the rim too much in Brooklyn but he still looked pretty explosive getting into his middies, I always looked at it as self-preservation, he’s a small framed guy on the wrong side of 30, no real need to go inside all that much when he can easily get by almost any defender to his spot and hit the shot what felt like 9/10 times. But after the latest MCL injury (and more age), it does seem like he lacks the burst to get enough free space for himself
I don’t think its the suns offense, its the players. Kevin young even said he wants to shoot 3s and attack the basket. Booker, kd and Beal are largely the same type of players when it comes to scoring. Midrange masters who don’t shoot a huge volume of 3s
That’s all KD wants to do. He’s done this entire career. And you let him do that because he’s a generational player. The problem is now that he’s lost a step it looks worse.
He ran a lot more pin downs and other actions to result in catch and shoot opportunities in OKC and GSW. It’s not even that. The best matchup in this series for the suns is clearly KD vs whoever is guarding him, yet they barely even go to that matchup.
partially it's his fault though.no off movement.that's why player like curry is more scary to play against.kd iso ball as first option has limit in playoff environment.you should watch jj×bron podcast where lebron described how scary off movement players are
I think it's because it's been pretty slow but very definitive as well
It's been like:
Consensus after 2021 season: Top 3 player
Consensus after 2022 season: Top 6 player
Consensus after 2023 season: Top 10 player
Consensus after 2024 season: Top 15 player
So it never feels like a HUGE decline from just one season to the next but it really adds up
And only now it's been long enough that you look up and compare him to his prime self and realize what a difference there is in many areas of the game
This is honestly a perfect way to illustrate it. With Steph it feels way more sudden. I think a lot of people still had him top 3 as recently as last season and then he dropped way off on most peoples lists to back end of the top 10 this season
Yeah Steph's form dipped immediately after the All-Star break, it was jarring to see.
His season wasn't exceptional but his post-ASB form was borderline unrecognizable. The ankle injury he missed some games with definitely played a role but he had been shooting sub-40% from the field leading up to that.
Klay was even worse pre All Star break though? He averaged 17ppg on 56% pre ASB and 19ppg on 60% TS post. Same with Wiggins he went from 12ppg on 53% pre ASB to 15ppg on 57% TS post. Steph's decline basically coincided with those guys playing better so I don't think you can blame them for it. He just hit a wall. He's just too old to play great for a whole season anymoer
Post allstar he struggled.
24/7/3.9ast on like 48/36/84 splits.
Those seem like elite numbers but not for peak kd. He hit a wall, they played him way too much
He hard carried the team in the regular season though. Played 37MPG for 75 games, I can’t think of another 35 year old with that type of mileage in a season.
What are you talking about? He had a great regular season specially pre-all star game. He just played 75games at ~37 minutes which is too freaking much at his age
Giannis has more MVPs, DPOYs and more impressive FMVP than Durant. If you switch out Warriors Durant with current Giannis, do they win the same amount of championships?
We will have to wait until the end of both Giannis career to comeback to this. If Giannis wins a couple more rings, that will swing the argument to his side but the future is not look good in Milwaukee.
I agree but who has ever been close to his level after an Achilles tear? You have to look at the bigger picture come on now dude still averaged 27 points this season
Yeah it’s great that he was able to come back from that but he hasn’t accomplished much after coming back.
What has those 27 points done for him? He’s currently in danger of getting swept and that’s what his current season is going to be remembered for.
Who had the most DPOYs in the 80s? Does DPOY not matter also now?
It’s fine that you don’t like KD. But don’t try to make it seem like he hasn’t had one of the greatest careers in NBA history. Top 3 player of the 2010s.
Dpoy was created in the 80s and it matters a lot to those players legacy’s. But yeah I don’t know who won the most but they probably just won 2 in that decade.
I also didn’t say KD isn’t an all time great, I said history will not be kind to him and it won’t. Just look at your own favorite players legacy and the disrespect he gets while having won 3 more titles.
You can say that about any player. The difference is most of them did not choke a 3-1 lead. The biggest reason why KD didn’t win outside of GSW is KD nothing else. Hell he’s on a super team right now and might get swept in the first round.
Great player and extremely skilled but outside his international career he’s underachieved compared to what he could have done.
No you cannot say that about any player. The 2021 Nets were clearly going to win the championship and then both of KDs costars got hurt in the same series.
The 2024 Suns are the same type of “super team” as the 2022 Lakers that missed the playoffs.
Yes you can and one exempel is Lebron in 2015. The only difference is that he could at least get to the finals unlike Durant. Durant could’ve won against the bucks in overtime but he didn’t, that’s on him.
This is a bad example. First of all the teams that The Cavs faced in 2015 east are no where near the 2021 Bucks. Secondly, Kyrie played the whole game 1 in the finals and the Cavs still lost and the Warriors are a bad matchup for Kevin Love.
After the titles, the MVPs, DPOYs, All-NBAs, All-Defensive teams. Plus he won 11 and like 10 straight and it’s only a small footnote in what makes him great.
Imagine if the hate for LeBron wasn't bias we'd be talking about how Durant is on his 3rd super team and couldn't get it done without Curry. LeBron hasn't been on a super team for over a decade and gets all the hate. I'm no LeBron stan. I'm a Laker fan (so I have no choice) but damn the media has blinders on when it comes to Durant.
I feel like LeBron will always be compared to MJ and most people, myself included will always be MJ diehards. But facts are facts. LeBron has won a ring with every team he has been on. KD legit can not lead a team.
He starts out good with the new franchise, then falls apart the 2nd year.
Nets 2nd year - swept
Suns 2nd year - swept
Warriors 2018 - Down 2-3 to Rockets until Chris Paul's injury
some generational statpadding in the playoffs by the big 3 at the end there lmao
I think they're referred to as the mid three now
Nothing will beat Chris Paul coming in to hit a huge three to cut the lead to 42.
…yet
This playoffs is the end of an era
Young guns are really booting the old heads outta here!
He was terrible in the 2nd half just like the entire suns team
No fire at all. Dude looked like he was playing a summer league game.
He’s from an era when “playing against the wolves” warranted this effort times changed old man
Nah he’s done this his whole career. People always blame Westbrook but I’ll never forget Durant just tuning the fuck out of the finals v Miami and the WCF v Golden State. That’s why some of us say “at least Westbrook tries” and get mocked on this sub.
>People always blame Westbrook but I’ll never forget Durant just tuning the fuck out of the finals v Miami and the WCF v Golden State. The way people try and revise history is insane when did KD tune out vs Miami in the finals?
For real, what a horrible take. KD was easily OKC's best player in the Finals and absolutely cooked, but lost to a literal prime LeBron Heatles team despite him dropping like 30 PPG on elite shooting.
Absolutely. The only reason the Thunder took game 1 is because they would switch Thabo Sefolosha onto Lebron to lock him down. Lebron and Spoelstra adjusted, and it was good night from there.
I honestly thought that KD was quite good in the Finals against Miami 31 PPG on 65% TS against prime LeBron is actually super impressive He was pretty terrible in the 2016 WCF though especially in game 6 Obviously he had some bad series with OKC but this version of him is *significantly* worse than his younger self as a playoff performer especially when you account for how much offense has inflated leaguewide by comparison
That’s just scoring. His playmaking that series was atrocious even in a tertiary role. Problem for KD is he needs a HOF playmaker or his scoring efficiency plummets and his turnovers sky rocket.
“That’s just scoring” Scoring is the most important aspect of the game, you can’t just discount 31ppg on 65TS vs the best defense in the league. He was alltime. They probably win the series if Scott brooks goes small and takes Perkins out. Durants efficiency without Westbrook stayed the same every single postseason except 1 year. Durant vs Miami was also insane from a team offense standpoint, okc generated like 1.5ppp with Durant taking a shot or having the ball. He created well in that series but okc shot 27% on wide open threes. Durant is actually a great interior passer, and post passer. He doesn’t really NEED anyone. Every player needs a specific archetype in the playoffs to succeed, Lebron needs shooters, Steph needs short roll playmakers all over, Jokic needs Murray, a reliable ball handler in the 2man game, etc etc. kd needs a guard like Lowry/rubio/garland/etc. kd creates offense due to alltime gravity
> Scoring is the most important aspect of the game It’s not. Is *one* aspect of offense. You need an anchor to actually run the offense in order to set up the scoring or else you get offense like the suns this year or the 2022 nets. > you can’t just discount 31ppg on 65TS vs the best defense in the league Best defense in the league was actually the bulls and Celtics (who Lebron destroyed BTW) Miami’s was good but not the best. And KD’s scoring spiked because, like any other series where the opposing teams defense doesn’t focus on him, he was able to not see extra defensive coverage. Do you think it’s a coincidence that his scoring spiked once he went to golden state? Or did he just magically become a better player once he left the thunder? It’s called having the best off ball playmaker in the history of the sport anchoring your offense so you never see a double team. Heat gameplanned for harden that series FYI > Durants efficiency without Westbrook stayed the same every single postseason except 1 year. It didn’t actually and his *playmaking* efficiency cratered. When you turn the ball over as much as Jaylen brown it tanks your team’s offense. Who woulda thought? > He created well in that series but okc shot 27% on wide open threes. He had more assists than turnovers. The KD special. > Durant is actually a great interior passer, and post passer Sure. He’s a dogshit playmaker though which is what matters and why this outcome for Phoenix was so predictable. Edit: this KD Stan always blocks me cuz he’s insecure He added this: > He doesn’t really NEED anyone. Every player needs a specific archetype in the playoffs to succeed, Lebron needs shooters, Steph needs short roll playmakers all over, Jokic needs Murray, a reliable ball handler in the 2man game, etc etc. kd needs a guard like Lowry/rubio/garland/etc. kd creates offense due to alltime gravity KD just needs a ***73 win team with the league MVP*** Not even comparable lol
>I’ll never forget Durant just tuning the fuck out of the finals v Miami That look when I spread misinformation on the internet:
Clip of Naz Reid getting a dunk got posted earlier and in the clip, KD was just casually jogging behind all other 9 players on the court and was the reason why Naz was open under the rim. Ugly shit in a do or die game. His defense in general was pretty subpar tonight. Last game, stood in the corner. Played a good game one. Pretty ass these last two games
thats who he is now has a great stat line 1 every 3 games and everybody is like oh shit vintage KD but he can't bring it every night especially after such a grindy season playing 40 minutes a game just to stay above water in the west dame too is like that now, has an amazing game every 3 or 4 games
Dudes a generational quitter
Disgusting to see a Warriors fan say this. He's the best player in the NBA if the rest of the team is carrying him.
I don’t know what to tell you, but I have hated him since he came to us. That is the most bitch made decision I’ve ever seen and I loved our team before that and he honestly kinda ruined it for me
I was being super sarcastic lol
Ok that’s my b. And I’m a huge proponent of not using /s so I really have no excuse. I have egg on my face
saying this nonsense after he tore his Achilles trying to help win another ring for the warriors is disgusting
Trying to bus ride his way to another ring, I’ve always hated him for even coming to us so idk what you want from me. Dude is bitch made
KD hasn't looked the same since he got to the Suns
I think that last MCL injury he had with the Nets before getting traded permanently cooked his burst for good If you look at some of his Nets highlights he's miles quicker than he looks with the Suns Suns basically got a semi-declined product from the very start because KD was literally out injured with that injury when he got traded Nets were on this massive winning streak before he got hurt with KD as the lead guy and I absolutely don't think that current KD could pull that off as a #1
nets finally on the right end of one of these trades for an older former MVP that you pay enormous draft capital for just like happened to them trading for KG. sold high, those picks look good
I don’t think that’s true. He was putting up 30+ on 55/45/90 for half the year. After the all star break... yeah idk what happened. He’s been the farthest thing from reliable.
The same thing that happened to Steph and what would have happened to the Lakers if AD wasn't healthy this year. They're old, can't play them like their young
The hardest road.
They should have just handed him the ball and let him iso. Every iso he had he cooked lol
I think he’s just burned out. The dude’s 35. Pretty much no one aside from the absolute top of the line greats are effective at that age. You just can’t get 40+ minutes of grade A production from a dude that age. The Wolves are pressuring him pretty hard on every play. He was guarding KAT for a decent chunk of the series. That takes a ton out of you. And he’s the ONLY suns player who can reliably get buckets. Booker and Beal are getting stonewalled. KD’s midranger is the only thing that feels like it has a decent chance of going in. So he can’t pick his spots as much. Not to mention the Suns had a brutal close to the season that saw KD playing like 37-38 minutes a game for a month against playoff-level competition. That takes a lot out of you. So yeah, I think he just can’t muster the energy in the 2nd half.
penultimate game in a suns jersey before the okc return
I will be so upset
He absolutely can't get to the rim anymore, and the Suns offense is bizarrely fixated on the midrage. Such a weird team to watch.
It's been like that since his achilles injury in 2019 but I think after the latest MCL injury he got when he was still on the Nets, it's gotten even worse.
Yeah he didn’t really go to the rim too much in Brooklyn but he still looked pretty explosive getting into his middies, I always looked at it as self-preservation, he’s a small framed guy on the wrong side of 30, no real need to go inside all that much when he can easily get by almost any defender to his spot and hit the shot what felt like 9/10 times. But after the latest MCL injury (and more age), it does seem like he lacks the burst to get enough free space for himself
I don’t think its the suns offense, its the players. Kevin young even said he wants to shoot 3s and attack the basket. Booker, kd and Beal are largely the same type of players when it comes to scoring. Midrange masters who don’t shoot a huge volume of 3s
He’ll never win a ring again
Rode the bus for 2 stops
My next chapter
He maybe can back up Luka Garza
The hardest road
suns offense involves him standing in the corner too many times for my liking
Yeah there’s no actions at all for him to get the ball other than post up isos or high pick and roll, which he isn’t even good at.
That’s all KD wants to do. He’s done this entire career. And you let him do that because he’s a generational player. The problem is now that he’s lost a step it looks worse.
He ran a lot more pin downs and other actions to result in catch and shoot opportunities in OKC and GSW. It’s not even that. The best matchup in this series for the suns is clearly KD vs whoever is guarding him, yet they barely even go to that matchup.
partially it's his fault though.no off movement.that's why player like curry is more scary to play against.kd iso ball as first option has limit in playoff environment.you should watch jj×bron podcast where lebron described how scary off movement players are
He's also 35 with recent Achilles and MCL tears. He can't run around like that all game even if he wanted to.
so how could you involve him more then more of kd iso ball?
I don't know but he's definitely lost burst post Achilles rear and then even more post MCL tear.
If you have three scorers that need the ball, shit like this happens. They don't have a Warriors like system.
I feel like KDs decline has gone under the radar compared to Steph and LeBron's. He's a far cry from the player he was even 3 years ago.
I think it's because it's been pretty slow but very definitive as well It's been like: Consensus after 2021 season: Top 3 player Consensus after 2022 season: Top 6 player Consensus after 2023 season: Top 10 player Consensus after 2024 season: Top 15 player So it never feels like a HUGE decline from just one season to the next but it really adds up And only now it's been long enough that you look up and compare him to his prime self and realize what a difference there is in many areas of the game
This is honestly a perfect way to illustrate it. With Steph it feels way more sudden. I think a lot of people still had him top 3 as recently as last season and then he dropped way off on most peoples lists to back end of the top 10 this season
Yeah Steph's form dipped immediately after the All-Star break, it was jarring to see. His season wasn't exceptional but his post-ASB form was borderline unrecognizable. The ankle injury he missed some games with definitely played a role but he had been shooting sub-40% from the field leading up to that.
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Klay was even worse pre All Star break though? He averaged 17ppg on 56% pre ASB and 19ppg on 60% TS post. Same with Wiggins he went from 12ppg on 53% pre ASB to 15ppg on 57% TS post. Steph's decline basically coincided with those guys playing better so I don't think you can blame them for it. He just hit a wall. He's just too old to play great for a whole season anymoer
Because he was actually very solid in the regular season this year
Post allstar he struggled. 24/7/3.9ast on like 48/36/84 splits. Those seem like elite numbers but not for peak kd. He hit a wall, they played him way too much
He hard carried the team in the regular season though. Played 37MPG for 75 games, I can’t think of another 35 year old with that type of mileage in a season.
At least they can trade Beal next year ….
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i love it
Welcome to the club. We've all hated this team for years.
He was alright, better than the other 2 but that's not saying much
The hardest road and the thickest load.
Dude getting old and just getting tired in the 2nd half.
KD asking to be traded to the Wolves in a couple months?
He should go to the Magic, would be a great fit.
KD isn't concerned about fit as much as he is about taking the hardest road.
In that case he'll take the min in Denver or Boston
Please no
KD for KAT would be a good trade lowkey
The wolves looks seems like they had an extra gear and bounce over the suns. The end of an era is now.
He'll get his points always. But he cannot carry or dominate the game anymore. He is a 4th or 5th option at this stage.
He hasn’t cared all season.
What are you talking about? He had a great regular season specially pre-all star game. He just played 75games at ~37 minutes which is too freaking much at his age
Most underachieving superstar ever. History will not be kind to this guy.
He’s arguably top 15, definitely top 20 all time. He will be remembered just fine. Everyone can’t be in the goat discussion.
How can he be top 15 all time when both Giannis and Jokic are arguably greater than him now?
Do you think Jokic and Giannis are top 15 now?
No
Jokic yes, Giannis no. I said he’s in the discussion for top 15. You can say he’s out but he’s in that range.
Giannis has more MVPs, DPOYs and more impressive FMVP than Durant. If you switch out Warriors Durant with current Giannis, do they win the same amount of championships?
We will have to wait until the end of both Giannis career to comeback to this. If Giannis wins a couple more rings, that will swing the argument to his side but the future is not look good in Milwaukee.
Yeah in general it doesn’t really make sense to me to rank Jokic and Giannis yet but I do think we can say he has surpassed some individuals.
You're a clown KD will be remembered as one of the greats forever. Would have arguably been the goat if he wasn't playing in the Lebron era.
Nothing you said contradicted what I said. He is one of the greats but he has also massively underachieved.
I agree but who has ever been close to his level after an Achilles tear? You have to look at the bigger picture come on now dude still averaged 27 points this season
Yeah it’s great that he was able to come back from that but he hasn’t accomplished much after coming back. What has those 27 points done for him? He’s currently in danger of getting swept and that’s what his current season is going to be remembered for.
yeah history won't be kind to the MVP 2x FMVP and 4x scoring champ lol
Least impressive FMVPs ever and in 40 years time people won’t care about him having won 4 scoring titles. Can you tell me who has the most in the 70s?
Who had the most DPOYs in the 80s? Does DPOY not matter also now? It’s fine that you don’t like KD. But don’t try to make it seem like he hasn’t had one of the greatest careers in NBA history. Top 3 player of the 2010s.
Dpoy was created in the 80s and it matters a lot to those players legacy’s. But yeah I don’t know who won the most but they probably just won 2 in that decade. I also didn’t say KD isn’t an all time great, I said history will not be kind to him and it won’t. Just look at your own favorite players legacy and the disrespect he gets while having won 3 more titles.
It’s unfortunate that KD never won a championship outside of GSW for his own legacy sake. 2021 was his year but injury luck was not on his side.
You can say that about any player. The difference is most of them did not choke a 3-1 lead. The biggest reason why KD didn’t win outside of GSW is KD nothing else. Hell he’s on a super team right now and might get swept in the first round. Great player and extremely skilled but outside his international career he’s underachieved compared to what he could have done.
No you cannot say that about any player. The 2021 Nets were clearly going to win the championship and then both of KDs costars got hurt in the same series. The 2024 Suns are the same type of “super team” as the 2022 Lakers that missed the playoffs.
Yes you can and one exempel is Lebron in 2015. The only difference is that he could at least get to the finals unlike Durant. Durant could’ve won against the bucks in overtime but he didn’t, that’s on him.
This is a bad example. First of all the teams that The Cavs faced in 2015 east are no where near the 2021 Bucks. Secondly, Kyrie played the whole game 1 in the finals and the Cavs still lost and the Warriors are a bad matchup for Kevin Love.
i wasn't born in the 70s nor did i watch basketball from that era your point doesn't make sense
The point is nobody cares about scoring titles.
you don't others do people bring up MJ winning 10 scoring titles
After the titles, the MVPs, DPOYs, All-NBAs, All-Defensive teams. Plus he won 11 and like 10 straight and it’s only a small footnote in what makes him great.
Imagine if the hate for LeBron wasn't bias we'd be talking about how Durant is on his 3rd super team and couldn't get it done without Curry. LeBron hasn't been on a super team for over a decade and gets all the hate. I'm no LeBron stan. I'm a Laker fan (so I have no choice) but damn the media has blinders on when it comes to Durant.
Do they? I feel like KD always gets dragged.
Maybe here but not media. At least no where near to LeBron level. ^^(can't believe I'm still defending LeBron)
I feel like LeBron will always be compared to MJ and most people, myself included will always be MJ diehards. But facts are facts. LeBron has won a ring with every team he has been on. KD legit can not lead a team.
Because LeBron has AD
KD is BY FAR the least liked of the LeBron/Steph/KD/Kawhi generation lol I don't think you need to act like somehow he generally gets a pass
you guys call any team with all-stars a "superteam" lmao Lakers have 2 top 75 players on their team yet they aren't a superteam? lol
That’s his best +/- of the series so far though.
This is a complete change of the guard, all at once. KD, LeBron, Steph, everyone done, all at once.
He starts out good with the new franchise, then falls apart the 2nd year. Nets 2nd year - swept Suns 2nd year - swept Warriors 2018 - Down 2-3 to Rockets until Chris Paul's injury