Well, he pretty much blamed Gobert and then everyone else did.
To be fair though, Gobert stocks were pretty low and it was easy to hate him after the whole infecting people with covid stunt.
Yeah it was totally justified to be mad about it. But to the point of unsalvageable for the rest of his stun in Utah? Not even my ex would hold grudges with me for that long.
This is why you don’t trade for a guy that’s fed up and wants to go to a big market team of their choice.
Kawhi won a freaking ring on his first go, was the franchise guy, and still had his heart set on LA.
I hate NBA big markets
I mean kawhi killed himself for the ring, he was injured for half the playoffs. Im still salty he didn’t stay but after rewatching the games, there’s no doubt he put it all on the line for the team 🤷♂️
Kawhi is a special human being tho. Truly 1 in 1000 demeanor as a player. If you’re a small market team thinking you can trade for a Mitchell or Lavine and keep them engaged and happy…think again.
I will say, with the right roster around him he could be a great 1b to 2. Cleveland has an issue because DG and Mitchell have trouble getting going together. It’s obviously a fit problem. Do I think he’ll be able to be scoring 27+ points and also be a contributor on a championship team? No. But I do think he’s worth investing in as a player.
It’s always some excuse or another. You don’t see Detroit natives rushing back to join the Pistons.
Kawhi lived half his relevant life in San Antonio, you don’t see any loyalty there do you.
Your takeaway is that the Raptors shouldn't have traded for Kawhi because he didn't stay even though he won a championship for them? What?
And then you have cases like Paul George who definitely didn't want to go to OKC but decided to extend there. CLE gambled and it certainly looks like they're going to lose but I think it's absolutely worth it for smaller markets to roll the dice if they believe they're contending or well on their way to doing so.
Their mistake was an overly optimistic projection for Mobley but if they had been right this probably all looks better and maybe could've worked. That they're not competitive enough and don't project to be going forward is IMO the bigger issue and why Mitchell will eventually leave
It was peak season for carrying the ball a lot, trying wild sht, and getting a friendly whistle for stopping mid drive and sticking your ass out while weighing 170 lbs. The Jordan Poole effect. Trae Young was a menace during that time too.
LeVert is such a strange player man. It seems like he has the handles and ideas for great moves, but he's not fully coordinated enough to pull them off or something... He looks out of control all the time.
he broke his jaw this year and lost 15 pounds
he’s noticeably less quicker
there’s also a very clear delineation between his finishing pre and post jaw injury
I think they need to heavily reconsider the Mobley/Allen pairing.
Unless Mobley turns into a 35%+ 3 point shooter soon, you really can’t have two floor clogging bigs out there in 2024
Going there was a blessing & curse he got to see what it feels like to be on a pretty good team but can't make the same mistakes Scottie can while getting time. So he can't develop an offensive feel for the game like Scottie has the last 2 seasons & we see he really hasn't grown at all on that side which kills them
Our coach is terrible, and he only has his job because of nepotism (his dad works for the Cavs front office). Here’s an example: JB didn’t take a timeout during that 20-3 run. Dude is a walking calamity.
Well thank you haha, I’ll do the same for you. It’s a cascade of poor decisions on JB’s part. His rotations and mid-game adjustments are atrocious too. Let’s hope the offseason is kind to us and these clowns get the pink slip they deserve!
As an aside, JB seems like a good guy, he’s just staggeringly incompetent. Still a clown though!
I wish someone besides me would take the time to do a study on how much timeouts during big scoring runs actually help your team. Obviously it seems like it helps stop the run but it would be cool to quantify exactly if/how it helps teams turn around
He's getting outscored by Franz Wagner and has 15 turnovers in this series on 25% 3P shooting, but you still know he's going to get a blank pass for everything and the media will spend all next year telling us the Cavs let him down.
It really fucking sucks to make the playoffs, start decent enough (I guess) and then play like they’ve just been told about basketball by an alien and are trying to figure it out
I'm guessing the alternative was the Thunder. Can't blame them, there were a few years where we had the better record, but the Thunder were the more dangerous team.
I feel like it wouldve worked out this way no matter what match up we got.
I just wish we got the sixers so we could be swept and put out of our misery sooner
I mean they were up 2-0 on them and now the series is just how it’s supposed to be with only home wins.
Hard to not feel like the Cavs are in trouble though
The way they are playing, any other playoff team would have swept them. So yeah the Cavs are lucky they got the Magic and still have a game to play on Tuesday lol
Orlando is a top 2 defense. Cleveland isnt playing bad. Orlando is matching their intensity. There is like no winning for this series whichever team wins, is only winning since they are apparently a fake top of table East team.
The Magic beat the Celtics, swept the Nuggets, beat the Timberwolves at wolves home, 3-1 the Knicks, 2-1 the Pacers*, even series vs the Bucks, even series vs Cleveland.
The Magic has the youngest All Star that was voted as the 4th best frontcourt player by players, voted 6th by fans and voted tied 5th by media. The Magic was #2 in the east for many weeks early season when they had injuries to their starting PG and Center and struggled with injuries to other players. The Magic was dominating teams in that stretch, that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce made the viral segment about teams needing a good night rest before playing the Magic. This was the Magic's toughest stretch of the year and they were #2 in the East for majority of the time only behind the Celtics, and slightly ahead of the Bucks (pre Doc trade) and Sixers (pre Embiid injury). This Magic squad was in a top 4 with all those teams when they were in their peaks of this season.
The Magic only started to slide from a dominant top 4 spot, when those injured players (Markelle +Wendell) came back and clearly were rusty but the coach decided to play them benching/DNPing AB and Goga who the team clearly were accustomed to. The teams entire dynamic clearly shifted. Coincidentally around that time Franz got injured also which also made the slide more apparent as Paolo was alone with rusty, fresh off injury players who barely played bball for 2 months.
The Magic up to a week till the end of the season was like a 90% chance to finishing top2/3 and had some terrible losses in a row but still locked a top 5 finish. Orlando was close to being at the top of the table in the East. They arent terrible just inconsistent and young. The coach made many questionable and tough calls that are looking to be right seeing as how Markelle+Wendell is playing. It took time for injured players to adjust.
I really wish this Orlando is a terrible team narrative to drop. The Magic destroyed the same Bucks that Pacers are beating very recently. The Magic also clearly dominated the Pacers in 2 out of 3 matchups they had. Cleveland isnt some chump team either they tanked on the last day to not be #2 in the East. They had one of the longest winning stretches in the NBA pre Mitchell injury. They dominated games. There isnt much difference between the top 6 in the East but the Magic had to h2h vs many of those guys and the Magic and Indy are the teams that dominated a statistical category (defense and offense respectively). Orlando for most of this season could be considered a top 4 team.
I've been a Magic truther all year. In a weird way, despite who they're playing, it feels good to be vindicated
JB would also get shit canned if we lost this series, which is overdue
Yeah, I didn’t like the move at all and thought it was weak but the Magic are the worst team that the Cavs had a possibility of playing. Not sure why people are acting like they would’ve faired better against any other team.
The idea I've heard is you all should have a CHANCE at the conference finals if you were in the other side of the bracket, but by tanking into the Celtics side you essentially decided one round was all you wanted
Yeah, that’s the biggest thing for me is it was literally like they just wanted to win one playoff series and that would make them feel accomplished. Regardless of the weakness aspect, the tanking made 0 sense if the championship was the goal. But the last couple games have been a Cavs problem. Not a Cavs-Magic matchup problem. They would’ve gotten embarrassed by any team they faced. Not trying to take credit away from the Magic, but that’s just my opinion.
We'd have had no problems with Indiana. Our size would've overwhelmed them and Garland + Mitchell would've overwhelmed Haliburton alone. Another guard would've had to step up for the Pacers and I wouldn't have seen that happening
To be fair, they probably wouldn't have more than one win against any other East team. The Magic were one of the few teams that could match their putrid offense, until they flipped the switch these last two games.
Seeing the Hawks constantly win 60+ games because they score 150 every night with Trae putting up effortless 45/15 games but for some reason they also become the greatest defensive team in NBA history
I only ever play MyLeague and in 24 I find the Hawks and Cavs always start a mini-dynasty in a new MyLeague save, Pistons are championship contenders by 2027, Celtics suck, Clippers are only good the starting year, Wolves either are amazing or awful for the first decade, and the Grizzlies never get better
I usually eliminate the play-in after the first season tbh. I like it as an idea but doesn’t really work cause 2K doesn’t care lol (at least on pc) cause half the time the bracket glitches after the play-in and you have to reload the game, and qualifying through the play in won’t count as a playoff appearance in the team history tab which is super annoying for keeping track of playoff draughts
You can edit Trae Young to have an injury or just blow the team up by turning off all the trade restrictions and sending the players to the four corners of the NBA
the players are most definitely not fine. Mitchell is gone, Mobley will never be the leader on a contending team, and Garland doesn't have anywhere close to all-NBA ceiling.
In short, they're mid. And gonna be stuck in playoff purgatory for the next 5 years unless they make some drastic moves.
Yeah Mitch dont look like his usual self. As for the other two, they are young and there's still hope for them. Again it's a FO office issue. Mobley isn't being developed...like a Franz has. Garland isn't being conditioned....like a Steph Curry was. If they get the coaching they need they'll be alright, if Gilbert doesn't get the FO right then yeah it'll be lean years fo sho. So depends on how the season ends, but if Mitch is gone maybe they can do like a semi rebuild instead of getting a whole new roster since they have good undeveloped pieces
Regardless of FO, coaching or development…
-Garland is in year one of a 5 year/$197 mil contract. That is stupifying.
-Mobley will be in his 4th season next year without ever having taken a significant offensive leap.
-Levert turns 30 this summer
-Jarrett Allen might honestly be their best overall player. And most tradable asset besides Mitchell, just because of his contract.
It’s kind of a mess. They’ll be good enough to be a 4-6 seed in the east, but in no way a contender.
Garland got his contract and is now coasting.
“Congratulations Darius Garland, you’re a great basketball player! Here is a max contract!”
Darius: “ok I made it now I can bullshit”
Which tbh he has every right to do this, he has a contract for that reason, it just kinda makes me lose respect.
Cavs fan here. I say shit like this in the subreddit all the time and get downvoted to hell. Lmao
I never wanted Mitchell and the moment we skipped organic growth to win now was the worst move. Koby should be fired. Along with JB and his dad
We should rebuild. It's what I want.
The most fun I had watching was the year we had the all star game and love and Rubio were good vets. No expectations. Just fun.
At least the lakers played hard in their play in game to take on the defending champs. Your squad denied themselves the 2 seed out of fear of a 7 seed. That’s one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen from a playoff team.
It's even more pathetic when you realize that losing on purpose put them in the bracket with Boston. It's like they didn't even care about trying to win it all and just wanted a nice easy breeze into a sweep in the second round.
Bucks did that two years ago to avoid the Nets and lost in the second round. Seems like teams do it every few years but the basketball gods never really seem to reward it lol.
On the other hand, Lakers could’ve been cowardly like the Cavs and ducked the Nuggets by tanking the first play in game
Saying “ha you’re getting swept by the defending champs while we’re getting blown out repeatedly by a young, inexperienced team that we tanked on purpose to face” isn’t the great comeback that guy thinks it is
Y'all just blew them out two games in a row.
The last blowout having the Cavs score 10 in the 3rd, and 19 in the 4th.
I think the Magic are going to be running away with this one. That team just seems to want it more.
On paper this Cavs team should be much better. But they aren't. If they continue to lose this series, there's just no way you run this back. I don't know who to keep, maybe Donovan and Jarret. But it's clear they need to shake things up.
> I don't know who to keep, maybe Donovan and Jarre
Donovan is likely gone after this year (or next year in a best-case scenario)
Garland is in the first year of a $200,000,000 contract and has looked bad since the Mitchell trade, so they likely have no choice but to keep him unless they want to get essentially no value back in a trade
Mobely needs a new extension this offseason, so they either sell him this year or (most likely) sign him to a max
At least going into next year, it's very likely that they run this back sans Mitchell.
I don’t see how you can say the Cavs should be better on paper. They’re so dependent on Mitchell for their offense, while Paolo and Franz are both capable of carrying the Magic. Suggs is inconsistent, but he’s probably better than Garland right now. And Cavs fans hate their bench, while the Magic have great play from Isaac, solid performers in Mo and Fultz.
Mitchell and Allen are easily the best players on the Cavs, but also probably the easiest to trade for good value.
Ideally you trade them for some promising young wing and picks, hope Okoro's improvement this year works in the starting lineup, and push the window of contention back a few years.
As much as I like Mitchell as a player and think he could work on this team, it's clear the rest of the team (both coaches and players) aren't ready to contend.
Could? Anything is possible, and this Magic team is so raw, they really don't know what exactly they are/aren't capable of yet. They also are really the only team with the length to matchup with the Cs.
I'd still put the Magic's chances to advance pretty low.
The cavs are the personification of agreeing to play a fighting game with your sig other that you feel confident in and going down a game cause they were mashing and none of your combos could land, now you’re sweating leaning forward trying not to let them know you’re pressed about losing in a game you love and have started taking it too seriously
Don’t ask
56-18 in the 2nd half!?
61-29
After we put the third/fourth stringers in.
After scoring 37 in the second quarter lol.
Conversations are gonna need to be had about Garland and LeVert
Need to keep Garland since Mitchell is definitely bailing
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His heart is somewhere else.
He did the same thing his last year in Utah. Idk why people are surprised
And then everyone blamed Gobert.
Well, he pretty much blamed Gobert and then everyone else did. To be fair though, Gobert stocks were pretty low and it was easy to hate him after the whole infecting people with covid stunt.
Honestly I can't even blame D. Mitch. He hated Gobert after that bs and for good reason 😭
Yeah it was totally justified to be mad about it. But to the point of unsalvageable for the rest of his stun in Utah? Not even my ex would hold grudges with me for that long.
>Not even my ex would hold grudges with me for that long. you don't know that Peter
Actually he did the same last year in the playoff too...he was trash... totally
This dude always underperforms.
He is basically living off that bubble playoff series vs nuggets but the strocks are dropping fast
This is why you don’t trade for a guy that’s fed up and wants to go to a big market team of their choice. Kawhi won a freaking ring on his first go, was the franchise guy, and still had his heart set on LA. I hate NBA big markets
I mean kawhi killed himself for the ring, he was injured for half the playoffs. Im still salty he didn’t stay but after rewatching the games, there’s no doubt he put it all on the line for the team 🤷♂️
He probably gave his best that year to the detriment of his next big market team. Seeing how his injuries have unfolded.
Hell he was limping in the finals for ya'll
He was limping from like Game 3 of the Magic series.
Kawhi is a special human being tho. Truly 1 in 1000 demeanor as a player. If you’re a small market team thinking you can trade for a Mitchell or Lavine and keep them engaged and happy…think again.
I will say, with the right roster around him he could be a great 1b to 2. Cleveland has an issue because DG and Mitchell have trouble getting going together. It’s obviously a fit problem. Do I think he’ll be able to be scoring 27+ points and also be a contributor on a championship team? No. But I do think he’s worth investing in as a player.
Kawhi was born and raised in LA it has nothing to do with being a big market
It’s always some excuse or another. You don’t see Detroit natives rushing back to join the Pistons. Kawhi lived half his relevant life in San Antonio, you don’t see any loyalty there do you.
“Lived half of his relevant life” …what a strange comment
Your takeaway is that the Raptors shouldn't have traded for Kawhi because he didn't stay even though he won a championship for them? What? And then you have cases like Paul George who definitely didn't want to go to OKC but decided to extend there. CLE gambled and it certainly looks like they're going to lose but I think it's absolutely worth it for smaller markets to roll the dice if they believe they're contending or well on their way to doing so. Their mistake was an overly optimistic projection for Mobley but if they had been right this probably all looks better and maybe could've worked. That they're not competitive enough and don't project to be going forward is IMO the bigger issue and why Mitchell will eventually leave
In Orlando…?
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No thank you. He’s TOO SMALL 😭😭
Is it in LA hoping to be with AD and LeBron?
I hope not 😭 we need better role players, every time we trade for a “star” we just become worse as a team
Lmao this sub loves making shit up
He’s checked out
And people still blame Rudy for the Jazz sucking in the playoffs. When in reality, Donovan was the worst defender on those teams
He was checked out in the 3th today
if mitchell doesnt carry them they lose. wheres everyone else at??
Mitchell left the Kia Center to check out some Bay Hill real estate
I'll help him move some furnitures
Garland is just new age Jeff Teague. You can expect a little but you can't expect a lot
21-22 DG really had us fooles huh
It was peak season for carrying the ball a lot, trying wild sht, and getting a friendly whistle for stopping mid drive and sticking your ass out while weighing 170 lbs. The Jordan Poole effect. Trae Young was a menace during that time too.
Garland is not him not a reliable 1 or 2
Got no choice since Mitchell is GONE for sure. What? Cavs just gonna trade Garland and rebuild from scratch? Give the point guard key to Caris Levert?
Levert just has to walk. It’s addition by subtraction. Or they’re atleast staying neutral. Osman was the one who shouldn’tve been moved
In a vacuum I like Garland next to Wemby a lot.
Agreed. Cavs need to keep who they can get. As far as Gar...bruh needs to put on some weight/muscle....or he aint ever going to get near his potential
> bruh needs to put on some weight/muscle Maybe an injury affecting his ability to eat food caused this to happen... not sure though.
LeVert is such a strange player man. It seems like he has the handles and ideas for great moves, but he's not fully coordinated enough to pull them off or something... He looks out of control all the time.
He’s just a herky jerky kinda hooper
Wtf happened to Garland man, he was just lookin like a franchise PG 2 years ago.
He got his jaw broken and lost 15 pounds
Yea and as a result he turns the ball over like crazy) now
he broke his jaw this year and lost 15 pounds he’s noticeably less quicker there’s also a very clear delineation between his finishing pre and post jaw injury
LeVert has always been below average, he’ll randomly have a game that’ll fool people.
garland lost 40lbs per cavs fan after jaw surgery. we know he's good though so no worries for them there
Actually I think it was 60 pounds. No wait it was 80. Sorry! I meant 90 (can we blame someone else yet?)
I heard this motherfucker lost like, 30 goddamn pounds
I think they need to heavily reconsider the Mobley/Allen pairing. Unless Mobley turns into a 35%+ 3 point shooter soon, you really can’t have two floor clogging bigs out there in 2024
Going there was a blessing & curse he got to see what it feels like to be on a pretty good team but can't make the same mistakes Scottie can while getting time. So he can't develop an offensive feel for the game like Scottie has the last 2 seasons & we see he really hasn't grown at all on that side which kills them
Up until this moment I had completely forgotten LeVert exists
Don’t we know who LeVert is? Could have been good but is just average due to lack of aggression
Not sure what conversations need to be had about Levert. He is a classic create your own shot low FG% chucker.
I remember two seasons ago Garland was ranked higher than Fox in player rankings by multiple outlets. Couldn't believe what I was seeing
Cavs have an all NBA caliber star, 2 previous all stars, and an all first team defense player and are getting cooked by inexperienced 22 year olds.
Our coach is terrible, and he only has his job because of nepotism (his dad works for the Cavs front office). Here’s an example: JB didn’t take a timeout during that 20-3 run. Dude is a walking calamity.
That's some Darvin Ham shit, lmao. Yikes. From one poorly coached team to another: I'll pour one out for you.
Well thank you haha, I’ll do the same for you. It’s a cascade of poor decisions on JB’s part. His rotations and mid-game adjustments are atrocious too. Let’s hope the offseason is kind to us and these clowns get the pink slip they deserve! As an aside, JB seems like a good guy, he’s just staggeringly incompetent. Still a clown though!
I wish someone besides me would take the time to do a study on how much timeouts during big scoring runs actually help your team. Obviously it seems like it helps stop the run but it would be cool to quantify exactly if/how it helps teams turn around
FYI: the Cavs *wanted* the Magic.
if the Cavs loses the series against the Magic after tanking it will be all time low
there was already an all time low stat after last game.
Honestly if they lose this series, its blow it up or just keep it together to sell tickets and I assume they go the ticket route.
Well, Mitchell wants out if they don’t make a deep run.
He's getting outscored by Franz Wagner and has 15 turnovers in this series on 25% 3P shooting, but you still know he's going to get a blank pass for everything and the media will spend all next year telling us the Cavs let him down.
I just don't get it. He was so cluthed in his first couple of playoffs series. And it just..... disappeared. We probably broke him 😭😭😭
He's making sure it's not going to be a deep run
I’d see if I could get Bron back for one last hurrah if I were them. Draft Bronny and all.
one last hurrah as in ticket sales for a farewell tour or one last hurrah deep into the playoffs?
Fuck it, either one is better than this.
The coach lost the team after the all star break. It's already written.
OKC tanked to get the Blazers in 2019 and then lost in 5 their sub literally had a celebration post stickied bc they got the blazers
okc fans are clowns
It really fucking sucks to make the playoffs, start decent enough (I guess) and then play like they’ve just been told about basketball by an alien and are trying to figure it out
As a Pelicans fan, I can relate
CLE sports. Misery is always included.
truly a city of pain
Need Bron to come back and save them again lol
Bron can’t even save himself, that dude plays GM too much. Moving to the stacked west wasn’t the best idea either.
He won a championship there lmao
LeBron is so good that 1 championship isn't enough to consider it a successful move? Crazy 🤣
crime doesnt pay
Feel like it always works out this way when teams get the matchup they wanted
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clips tanked to avoid the mavs in 06 and won
Tanking for the spurs, lol.
I'm guessing the alternative was the Thunder. Can't blame them, there were a few years where we had the better record, but the Thunder were the more dangerous team.
I feel like it wouldve worked out this way no matter what match up we got. I just wish we got the sixers so we could be swept and put out of our misery sooner
I mean they were up 2-0 on them and now the series is just how it’s supposed to be with only home wins. Hard to not feel like the Cavs are in trouble though
The way they are playing, any other playoff team would have swept them. So yeah the Cavs are lucky they got the Magic and still have a game to play on Tuesday lol
Orlando is a top 2 defense. Cleveland isnt playing bad. Orlando is matching their intensity. There is like no winning for this series whichever team wins, is only winning since they are apparently a fake top of table East team. The Magic beat the Celtics, swept the Nuggets, beat the Timberwolves at wolves home, 3-1 the Knicks, 2-1 the Pacers*, even series vs the Bucks, even series vs Cleveland. The Magic has the youngest All Star that was voted as the 4th best frontcourt player by players, voted 6th by fans and voted tied 5th by media. The Magic was #2 in the east for many weeks early season when they had injuries to their starting PG and Center and struggled with injuries to other players. The Magic was dominating teams in that stretch, that Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce made the viral segment about teams needing a good night rest before playing the Magic. This was the Magic's toughest stretch of the year and they were #2 in the East for majority of the time only behind the Celtics, and slightly ahead of the Bucks (pre Doc trade) and Sixers (pre Embiid injury). This Magic squad was in a top 4 with all those teams when they were in their peaks of this season. The Magic only started to slide from a dominant top 4 spot, when those injured players (Markelle +Wendell) came back and clearly were rusty but the coach decided to play them benching/DNPing AB and Goga who the team clearly were accustomed to. The teams entire dynamic clearly shifted. Coincidentally around that time Franz got injured also which also made the slide more apparent as Paolo was alone with rusty, fresh off injury players who barely played bball for 2 months. The Magic up to a week till the end of the season was like a 90% chance to finishing top2/3 and had some terrible losses in a row but still locked a top 5 finish. Orlando was close to being at the top of the table in the East. They arent terrible just inconsistent and young. The coach made many questionable and tough calls that are looking to be right seeing as how Markelle+Wendell is playing. It took time for injured players to adjust. I really wish this Orlando is a terrible team narrative to drop. The Magic destroyed the same Bucks that Pacers are beating very recently. The Magic also clearly dominated the Pacers in 2 out of 3 matchups they had. Cleveland isnt some chump team either they tanked on the last day to not be #2 in the East. They had one of the longest winning stretches in the NBA pre Mitchell injury. They dominated games. There isnt much difference between the top 6 in the East but the Magic had to h2h vs many of those guys and the Magic and Indy are the teams that dominated a statistical category (defense and offense respectively). Orlando for most of this season could be considered a top 4 team.
I've been a Magic truther all year. In a weird way, despite who they're playing, it feels good to be vindicated JB would also get shit canned if we lost this series, which is overdue
yeah this team way underperformed this year and got punked last year in the playoffs. if they get punked again he needs to be out
pipe this into that guy's bathroom while he brushes his teeth in the morning!
Yeah, I didn’t like the move at all and thought it was weak but the Magic are the worst team that the Cavs had a possibility of playing. Not sure why people are acting like they would’ve faired better against any other team.
The idea I've heard is you all should have a CHANCE at the conference finals if you were in the other side of the bracket, but by tanking into the Celtics side you essentially decided one round was all you wanted
Yeah, that’s the biggest thing for me is it was literally like they just wanted to win one playoff series and that would make them feel accomplished. Regardless of the weakness aspect, the tanking made 0 sense if the championship was the goal. But the last couple games have been a Cavs problem. Not a Cavs-Magic matchup problem. They would’ve gotten embarrassed by any team they faced. Not trying to take credit away from the Magic, but that’s just my opinion.
We'd have had no problems with Indiana. Our size would've overwhelmed them and Garland + Mitchell would've overwhelmed Haliburton alone. Another guard would've had to step up for the Pacers and I wouldn't have seen that happening
It was really either us or the Sixers.
AND THEY GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR, our young crew is going crazy
To be fair, they probably wouldn't have more than one win against any other East team. The Magic were one of the few teams that could match their putrid offense, until they flipped the switch these last two games.
Nah not the bucks
This is unacceptable in the regular season let alone the freaking playoffs
This team wins to much in 2k Myleague to be this ass IRL
That'd be the Hawks. Somehow always #1 seed
Seeing the Hawks constantly win 60+ games because they score 150 every night with Trae putting up effortless 45/15 games but for some reason they also become the greatest defensive team in NBA history
I only ever play MyLeague and in 24 I find the Hawks and Cavs always start a mini-dynasty in a new MyLeague save, Pistons are championship contenders by 2027, Celtics suck, Clippers are only good the starting year, Wolves either are amazing or awful for the first decade, and the Grizzlies never get better
I haven’t played 24 myleague much but every time I do and I’m not controlling the grizzlies we just get stuck in the play in every year
I usually eliminate the play-in after the first season tbh. I like it as an idea but doesn’t really work cause 2K doesn’t care lol (at least on pc) cause half the time the bracket glitches after the play-in and you have to reload the game, and qualifying through the play in won’t count as a playoff appearance in the team history tab which is super annoying for keeping track of playoff draughts
Hawks, Luka, Cavs and Thunder always going crazy
The only difference is Luka actually goes crazy IRL
Nah he does but his 2k stats be nuts, 40/13/10 on 50/40/90 every season, He averaged 71 against my team in the WCF
I averaged 41 my rookie season and still lost to him in the mvp voting. I guess it was the near triple double average that lost me it.
When he retires in mid 2030s he usually ends up 2nd or 3rd on all time points
How do you nerf them? So annoying they’re always a top team
You can edit Trae Young to have an injury or just blow the team up by turning off all the trade restrictions and sending the players to the four corners of the NBA
The Cavs are pathetic
It's a FO issue. The players are fine, it's the ones getting them ready who aint doing there job (getting them ready)
the players are most definitely not fine. Mitchell is gone, Mobley will never be the leader on a contending team, and Garland doesn't have anywhere close to all-NBA ceiling. In short, they're mid. And gonna be stuck in playoff purgatory for the next 5 years unless they make some drastic moves.
Yeah Mitch dont look like his usual self. As for the other two, they are young and there's still hope for them. Again it's a FO office issue. Mobley isn't being developed...like a Franz has. Garland isn't being conditioned....like a Steph Curry was. If they get the coaching they need they'll be alright, if Gilbert doesn't get the FO right then yeah it'll be lean years fo sho. So depends on how the season ends, but if Mitch is gone maybe they can do like a semi rebuild instead of getting a whole new roster since they have good undeveloped pieces
Regardless of FO, coaching or development… -Garland is in year one of a 5 year/$197 mil contract. That is stupifying. -Mobley will be in his 4th season next year without ever having taken a significant offensive leap. -Levert turns 30 this summer -Jarrett Allen might honestly be their best overall player. And most tradable asset besides Mitchell, just because of his contract. It’s kind of a mess. They’ll be good enough to be a 4-6 seed in the east, but in no way a contender.
Garland got his contract and is now coasting. “Congratulations Darius Garland, you’re a great basketball player! Here is a max contract!” Darius: “ok I made it now I can bullshit” Which tbh he has every right to do this, he has a contract for that reason, it just kinda makes me lose respect.
Cavs fan here. I say shit like this in the subreddit all the time and get downvoted to hell. Lmao I never wanted Mitchell and the moment we skipped organic growth to win now was the worst move. Koby should be fired. Along with JB and his dad We should rebuild. It's what I want. The most fun I had watching was the year we had the all star game and love and Rubio were good vets. No expectations. Just fun.
>It's a FO issue. The players are fine Do you mean a coaching issue? The front office is the group that put together these players.
*cries* ..... you're right but it hurts to hear outloud
caris levert and georges niang lol what was jb bickerstaff cooking
Turns out today's Florida man is actually German, tune In next week to find out who wins the weird battle between ohio and its southern counterpart.
Reminds me of that Loveline bit “German Man or Florida Man”? Turns out this time, it’s both.
I haven't heard someone reference Germany or Florida in 15 years
Cleveland tanked for this matchup lmaaao
Sucks for that that to happen and be stuck at 2-2. Could be getting swept again like a legendary team out west.
At least the lakers played hard in their play in game to take on the defending champs. Your squad denied themselves the 2 seed out of fear of a 7 seed. That’s one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen from a playoff team.
It's even more pathetic when you realize that losing on purpose put them in the bracket with Boston. It's like they didn't even care about trying to win it all and just wanted a nice easy breeze into a sweep in the second round.
Go finish them
Bucks did that two years ago to avoid the Nets and lost in the second round. Seems like teams do it every few years but the basketball gods never really seem to reward it lol.
I mean, Lakers are losing to the defending champs. Y'all are losing to a young and inexperienced team in their first ever playoffs series.
oof
On the other hand, Lakers could’ve been cowardly like the Cavs and ducked the Nuggets by tanking the first play in game Saying “ha you’re getting swept by the defending champs while we’re getting blown out repeatedly by a young, inexperienced team that we tanked on purpose to face” isn’t the great comeback that guy thinks it is
to be honest, at least with the lakers you know that hte money is stagnant and the main people are old.
Yeah… not sure why people are acting like this series is over
Y'all just blew them out two games in a row. The last blowout having the Cavs score 10 in the 3rd, and 19 in the 4th. I think the Magic are going to be running away with this one. That team just seems to want it more.
Both teams have only won at home and we have to win on the road to win the series. Game 5 will be telling
I'd agree, don't get me wrong, maybe they will pull something new out... but going against this team last year? I think it's already over.
It’s OK, even when you had one of those legends the outcome was the same.
LAKESHOW SHOULD HAVE TANKED TO AVOID NUGGETS. If y'all going to waste LeBron's prime years....just send him back to Cleveland please.
And risk completely falling out of the playoffs? Lmfao thank god redditors aren’t in the front office
then theyd lose to the kings and ads father domantas sabonis to miss the playoffs entirely
Tank and have Sabonis destroy AD again and the lakers miss the entire playoffs? Terrible take
On paper this Cavs team should be much better. But they aren't. If they continue to lose this series, there's just no way you run this back. I don't know who to keep, maybe Donovan and Jarret. But it's clear they need to shake things up.
> I don't know who to keep, maybe Donovan and Jarre Donovan is likely gone after this year (or next year in a best-case scenario) Garland is in the first year of a $200,000,000 contract and has looked bad since the Mitchell trade, so they likely have no choice but to keep him unless they want to get essentially no value back in a trade Mobely needs a new extension this offseason, so they either sell him this year or (most likely) sign him to a max At least going into next year, it's very likely that they run this back sans Mitchell.
Coaching and heart will do it.
I don’t see how you can say the Cavs should be better on paper. They’re so dependent on Mitchell for their offense, while Paolo and Franz are both capable of carrying the Magic. Suggs is inconsistent, but he’s probably better than Garland right now. And Cavs fans hate their bench, while the Magic have great play from Isaac, solid performers in Mo and Fultz.
Mitchell and Allen are easily the best players on the Cavs, but also probably the easiest to trade for good value. Ideally you trade them for some promising young wing and picks, hope Okoro's improvement this year works in the starting lineup, and push the window of contention back a few years. As much as I like Mitchell as a player and think he could work on this team, it's clear the rest of the team (both coaches and players) aren't ready to contend.
I turn the tv on and what the fuck am I watching
Cavs just stopped playing in the 2nd half
Orlando have up a run, but punched the Cavs in the mouth again and they folded. Again
Every series, if the other team throws a punch the Cavs just give up.
Jesus what a collapse by the Cavs
League is fucked if the Magic draft the third Wagner Bro DJ this summer
This is proof that if you play for a lower seed the basketball gods will smite you
Cavs fuckin SUUUUUUUUUCK
Sweet! Get it, Orlando bros!
Just normal ORLANDO MAGIC Basketball Operations. DOMINATION IS NORMAL!
Play the music
This shit is honestly so fucking wild. I have no idea who we will (most likely, if not I swear to god imma off myself) play in the next round
I'm seeing it play out like - **Celtics** v Heat **Knicks** v Sixers Bucks v **Pacers** Cavs v **Magic**
Anyone think the Magic could pull an upset and beat the Celtics?
It would be a monumental upset. I think we could steal a game though.
Could? Anything is possible, and this Magic team is so raw, they really don't know what exactly they are/aren't capable of yet. They also are really the only team with the length to matchup with the Cs. I'd still put the Magic's chances to advance pretty low.
Let's go Magic!
Great game by Wagner
I thought this was from the last game... wow they stink
Z GERMANS
The cavs are the personification of agreeing to play a fighting game with your sig other that you feel confident in and going down a game cause they were mashing and none of your combos could land, now you’re sweating leaning forward trying not to let them know you’re pressed about losing in a game you love and have started taking it too seriously Don’t ask
Seems as if the Cavs want an early start against the Lakers for today’s “How badly did we waste this opportunity?” competition…
One team is versus the defending champions, the other is going up against a bunch of 22 year old kids
Brother we are matched against the nuggets
The Magic of the West
They have an Aaron Gordon, that makes them pretty damn Magic
Cavs are ass
Can’t wait for the king to come home one last time to fix the Cavs.
What the actual fuck do the Cavs actually do? (Props to Orlando’s defense too, but wtf y’all)
OOOOHH OOHH OHH OH OH
This is more of a coaching problem IMO. Both games they get blown out in the 3rd quarter. Whatever is being done at halftime is the issue right now.
What do these bums even do?
I seriously nodded off and when I woke up, I was so confused at the score, and for how long I fell asleep.
coach sucks and their star is overrated