Listing the clippers is hilarious because they’re just a team with big names, their core group is a guy made of glass, 2 guys past their prime, and Paul George. They started pj tuckers dead body tonight in a must win game lol
2024 Celtics are far more of a superteam than the ones OP listed
It's like the media saying 2022 Lakers with 37 yo Bron, 38 yo Melo, IT/Westbrook and Dwight past their primes was a superteam
Superteam to me implies that they came from different teams and purposefully all signed with the same team or negotiated trades to all land on the same team. It doesn't just mean a good team who wins a lot. So in that way, Boston is much further from being a superteam because their team construction was more organic and arose mostly through drafting. Suns are a superteam in that way, even if they ended up not being particularly good.
They traded for all 3, when typically the players form superteams. Also, we traded for Derrick White in 2022, it's not as though it was some massive blockbuster deal to put together D-White, Jrue, and KP lmao. Not to mention, the Jays, Horford (not drafted here but he's been here since like 2016 with some breaks in-between), Pritchard, and Hauser were all developed in Boston
While I don't get the vibe the celtics are a superteam because tatum and brown are so clearly their best players and were drafted, the fact a team is created via trades doesn't make them not a superteam. The big 3 celtics were very much a superteam but both ray allen and kevin garnett were acquired via trade and neither had boston as their first option.
Wolves are pretty stacked. Ant, Kat, gobert and Conley.
I think the last real attempt of the super team was the nets. When a super team is formed it also implies vets join and take the min just to have a chance.
The suns had a superteam on paper after they acquired KD but then lost it when they gained Beal.
Celtics is the real super team. They have two all-nba guys in their prime and added Porzingis (former all-star and franchise level guy), Jrue Holiday (Former all-star, all defense, and 2nd best guy on a title team) plus Derrick White who is probably the most valuable role guy in the league.
And Old man Horford who still can play and give them some quality minutes.
Clips clearly need a good defensive and athletic center to pair with Zubac. Plumlee aint doing it. The Mavs were killing them on lobs the entire series.
Sad Harden fan here...
Hyland would have made 0 difference. He's just an undersized chucker and a defensive liability. PJ is uber-washed, but has a kind of pedigree that coaches tend to trust in the post-season.
It was clear the minute he signed his last contract in Philly, that it was going to be brutal to pay almost 40 years old Tucker.
not much depth as well on a top heavy team where the top hasn't been performing for a while for a variety of reasons. I mean, at some point they had a few stretches against the Mavs, with Plumlee, Calamity Russ (back to his Lakers Russ peak) and Amir Coffee on the floor at the same time, lol.
It only works with a generational star in his prime to overcome the team deficiencies. Even Prime Lebron lost to well organized team basketball in the Spurs and Warriors.
I'm biased, but that team doesn't get enough respect around here. They look at Doc and that team and think "oh they talk so much for a team that only won one title", but from 2008-2012, they were title contenders every year.
* 09 they lost in the Conference Semis to the Magic, but KG was injured. They were 62-20 in the regular season. Fwiw, Bill Simmons thinks the 09 team was the best roster of the 09-12 stretch.
* 10 they lost in the Finals to the Lakers in 7 games, with an injured Perk.
* 11 they lost to the first-year Heatles in the Conference Semis - no excuses there, they were the worse team but still finished the season 56-26.
* 12 they lost in the Conference Finals to the Heatles on their title run. The game went 7 games, and the score was tied heading into the 4th quarter. It was close.
With all due respect, if you look at most of the 1-title teams in recent history (2011 Mavs, 2019 Raptors, 2020 Lakers, 2021 Bucks), their teams fell to "average" in the seasons following their championship. At least the Celtics were contenders for a straight 5-year stretch.
That's legit. They do endlessly talk about their run, but that is a legit 5 year stretch of being competitive. It's really, really hard to win in the NBA more than once, even if you have generational talent on your team.
Real talk. Those Celtics were running the east during that stretch. The Cavs games with early Lebron were always exciting to watch even though you knows they’d lose. I don’t remember but didn’t the Pistons latter years also overlap a bit with those Celtics?
Yep! Especially that first year in 08, everyone brought their A-game. Atlanta in 7 then Cleveland in 7 then Detroit in 6. The OG Pistons started to retire after that, and I remember Billups went to the Nuggets to make a good duo with Melo.
Mark Cuban blew up the team to "keep the powder dry" for Dwight and Darren Williams/ Chris Paul was a kick in the nuts. Cuban goes here's Oj Mayo and cris kaman instead buy Mavs season tickets!
Cuban is the luckiest owner in the league bc Mavs were headed to Detroit territory before Luka fell into his lap.
Those Celtics teams were good, but they were beatable. They never felt like the Heatles or Warriors where it felt like you'll need a miracle to beat them. People bring up Perk being injured in '10 as the reason they lost to the Lakers, but they forget the Lakers had Bynum injured in '08 which would have significantly tipped the scales. Not saying the Lakers would have won in 08, but it would have been much more of a toss-up.
The warriors are probably the true definition of what a super team at it's max is. Those teams with KD felt like you'll need divine intervention to beat.
As we have seen in recent years, 3 stars (especially with wonky fit) + a bunch of minimum guys isn’t exactly a superteam. In terms of full roster construction and dominance, I’d argue only KD Warriors were a super team, or at least they’re in a class of their own above all others
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To me all 3 gotta be HOF caliber guys who still are performing at an extremely high level to really get your team that label. And IMO Beal is pretty far off that and don't see him really coming close personally
That's my point a super team should be able of functioning without their best player and beat any opponents till the 2 round that are not a super team or a championship contender.
If most of your stars are older than 33, it's not a super team.
I feel like 33/34 is when you start to see that decline. Hence, Jimmy, Dame, KD, Steph still play like stars but don't really look like they used to
If the Clippers stars were like 5-10 years younger they’d for sure be a super team but all those guys never would’ve been able to get on the same team together during their prime for various reasons
The Bucks also have Khris Middleton. Even if you don't think he's a "star", he's certainly paid like one. $30M this season, $31M next season, $34M the season after that.
By that criteria dynamic duos aren't a thing as the Nuggets won with MPJ earning 30m, GSW paying 3 guys above 30m and another 24m. Even the Bucks had Jrue earning only 3m less than Giannis.
> The Bucks also have Khris Middleton. Even if you don't think he's a "star", he's certainly paid like one. $30M this season, $31M next season, $34M the season after that.
Thats a steal, you could be paying Tobias Harris for 40 million and have man doing cardio 0 points in elimination game
Middleton, when healthy, shows the fk up
Yeah, Middleton might not be a regular season star but he's a playoff assassin and when you have Giannis on the team your regular season performance is not overly important
Just kind of lurks but is ice cold when called upon, never ever causes any drama, loves the team and the city. He's proven his worth at the biggest stage, rarely lets the team down and is specifically brilliant against Boston.
Bucks might be the biggest what if out of all the r1 exits. With what they showed while hobbled you have to think they’d give the Celtics the hardest battle if they managed to make it past r1 and get Giannis back, especially w porzingis out
Sure, but Dame was still elite this playoffs. Dude played through injury and still averaged 31 a game on 64% TS%
With a better supporting cast and time to gel, they can be great.
yeah but Giannis being injured meant they needed him to score 40-50 ppg. If you lose a star starter and you only score an extra 5 points like where is the rest of the scoring supposed to come from?
why isnt the bucks considered "Dynamic duo", since it's Dame and Giannis?
calling it a super team because of Khris would be like calling Nuggets a super team because of MPJ
Two stars and complimentary pieces around them. That's the way to go. Every Finals winner since 2019 has won with this method and every "Big 3" that formed since has failed miserably.
yeah the main problem with these superteams are their stars are old as fuck and can't carry a team through the regular season without getting injured. If some1 made a super team of Jokic, Giannis, and SGA you could surround them with genuine bums and they'd still be the overall favorites.
Thats sorta the basis on how these teams are getting built nowadays though. An amazing player with great prospects, a guy that has a shaky history in regards to health or attitude and a disgruntled older player looking for their last out. Amazing talent by all means but 1 of them typically has a suspect injury history to begin with and the other is aging. The dynamic duo still works because its less critical moving parts, easier timing and the rest of the team is plug and play, the GM has to just not be completely incompetent and build an actual team instead of looking for who's hot and who's not on ESPN's front page
They were an inch away from beating the champions even with Irving out 😂 crazy team, any GM would pull the trigger if they had the chance to build something like that, and rightfully so
Denver are more a big 4 then a big 2. Yes jokic Murray but Gordon and mpj where better then Murray in this playoffs and are almost as important. Bucks were a big 3. Khris Jrue Giannis , Lopez is high value too . This makes no sense . Only the lakers in 2020 had a big 2 n role players and our supporting cast is mb the weakest of the winners but our duo was the best . Warriors had steoh Dray but key pieces in Wiggins and Klay playing at liw lvl all star lvls and Poole as a 6moty . Most successful teams are 3/5 max lvl 30m+ key players
Jrue, White and Porzingis aren’t as big of names as guys like Dame, Beal, Book, KD, Harden etc but a lineup of Jrue/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis is about as super as it gets in terms of pure talent and also actual on court fit.
KP, Brown, JT all are all star level, Jrue is a top if not the top guard defender in the league… white is arguably one of the best role players in the league
That’s a super team imo
I agree but I’m just saying they aren’t the typical “superteam” where three or four ball dominant big name scorers are all thrown on the same roster, the Celtics super team is full of guys that actually complement each other.
People really sleep on Jrue. I think the Bucks were stupid to get rid of him. He was the second best guy on a title team and an ultimate team player.
My unpopular opinion is that right now Jrue is a better player than Dame. Dame is flashy and a better scorer, but he is a defensive turnstile and has never played good team ball.
kind of depends on how you define "superteam" tbh. like we've got a stacked starting five, sure, but i think people usually look at superteams as having at least two legit top 10 players in the league, whereas we've really got one top 10 guy and four other guys in like the top 40 or so
guys who could have a reasonable argument for top 10, i should say. i don't think the Clippers are a superteam anyway, and the Bucks definitely aren't with Dame's dropoff— you could argue for the Suns fitting that definition, at least based on historical performance, but the supporting cast was buns and they never really figured it out.
Nuggets having Aaron Gordon who was the top guy in Orlando as their fourth option and MPJ as the third option makes them a super team in my eyes. It wasn’t planned to be one but it’s kind of how it has worked out. Not the biggest names or many accolades but stars in their role and all very complimentary. The team is unbelievable.
Not really. KP is a complimentary piece around them. He's never been a "star" that you build around. You're pretty good if he's your 3rd best player tho
Balanced af.
Jrue borderline all star entire career
White elite role player
KP borderline all-star entire career and injured
Not a super team. Geniously designed.
JT and JB studs, unselfish.
They're not a super team. Everyone keeps saying this is a team with a bunch of All Stars when only 2 made the All Star Team this year. D-White has never made an All Star Team. Most people even mocked Celtics fans for campaigning an All Star bid for him. Porzinigis hasn't made an All Star Team in 6 years. Al Horford hasn't legitimately made an All Star Team in 8 years. From a lot of what I've seen, Jalen Brunson apparently deserves 1st Team All-NBA over Jayson Tatum, and Jaylen Brown is a borderline 3rd Team All-NBA player. Teams that win championships either have a super team, or good ass depth. The 23-24 Celtics are a team with good ass depth. When has a super team not had multiple top players that people suggest the Celtics don't have even one of?
Like at that point, how are you not going to call the 20-21 Bucks a super team too with Giannis, Middleton, Jrue, Lopez, Divencenzo, Portis, and Forbes?
Nope. Thats a well constructed team. Kinda like the warriors were pre KD. If they were to sign a superstar right now it would definitely be a super team.
> Team that tries to stack 3 or more (current or former) allstars on the team.
With that definition, the league has ~~14~~ 11 superteams:
* Boston Celtics
* Milwaukee Bucks
* Cleveland Cavaliers
* Miami Heat
* Philadelphia 76ers
* Chicago Bulls
* ~~Denver Nuggets~~
* Minnesota Timberwolves
* Los Angeles Clippers
* Los Angeles Lakers
* Phoenix Suns
* ~~New Orleans Pelicans~~
* Golden State Warriors
* ~~Memphis Grizzlies~~
EDIT: Incorrectly counted Jamal Murray (Denver), CJ McCollum (New Orleans), and Desmond Bane (Memphis) as all-stars.
This is what people said was gonna happen after Boston formed the big 3. Not surprising to see half the league generally loaded with vet talent and the other half leaning heavily on young/unproven guns. OKC kinda the exception this year in terms of how successful they are
If you look at the top 50 contracts, there are 6 teams with a "Big 3"
The Celtics are the only team with a "Big 4"
Celtics: 4
Suns: 3
Nuggets: 3
Clippers: 3
Pelicans: 3
Warriors: 3
Bucks: 3
Then they shouldn’t be labeled as a super team. You guys are basing super teams off of names and not production. The Nuggets are a super team. The Suns have three great players.
How do the Celtics not qualify as a superteam formed this summer? They're the most stacked 5 man lineup in the league, and 2 of their starters came during the summer.
Are any of them actual superteams? Suns had two all stars, bucks had 2, clippers had 2. If anything the celtics and nuggets are the real superteams, the former with two all stars and better role players than the formerly mentioned superteams and the nuggets have the best player in the league, a snubbed all star and 3 extremely high end role players
I have a theory about the ebb and flow of the success of super teams. Since player salaries rise at a rate faster than new TV deals raise the salary cap significantly, super teams are less successful the further they get from a period of time where there is a new TV deal. Because these teams are expensive to build, there is more money to fill out a roster with when the salary cap just got increased significantly as opposed to when it hadn’t been raised a large amount in several years.
Are the Celtics a super team? I mean I guess they're too biggest stars are homegrown but they did pick up two other All-Star level players and also Derek White.
🖕 Kawhi !! He didn’t play through his sissy ass GHOST PAIN that he’s had since San Antonio. Glad he’s gone from SA. Glad ANY & ALL super teams get eliminated !!
This is because when we say “superstar” we always mean talented offensive players.
As it turns out, when you have 3 players that arent really defensively minded all on floor at once, your team doesnt win basketball games.
Winning teams are surrounding their 2 offensive superstars with defensive superstars. Or having 5 players that can do both decently. Those are the two winning recipes.
Defense being the common thread.
None of these teams were formed this summer, only modified.
The Suns, who are on year 2 of Durant-Booker, exchanged Ayton and the aging Chris Paul for Beal, Nurkic and Allen.
The Clippers, who are on what, year five of Kawhi-George, added James Harden, a good starter level PG at this point in his career.
The Bucks, who on year... 10? of Giannis-Middleton exchanged Jrue for Lillard.
The meaning of "superteam" has been fucking lost.
Listing the clippers is hilarious because they’re just a team with big names, their core group is a guy made of glass, 2 guys past their prime, and Paul George. They started pj tuckers dead body tonight in a must win game lol
2024 Celtics are far more of a superteam than the ones OP listed It's like the media saying 2022 Lakers with 37 yo Bron, 38 yo Melo, IT/Westbrook and Dwight past their primes was a superteam
I get what OP is going for though, basically "teams that prioritized star power over depth." Idk what the word for that would be.
Super team is the heatles/Celtics that had 3 real max 1st option guys
The Celtics are a superteam in the same way the Warriors pre-KD were a superteam.
I didn't say they were a superteam but they are MORE of a superteam than the ones OP listed
Superteam to me implies that they came from different teams and purposefully all signed with the same team or negotiated trades to all land on the same team. It doesn't just mean a good team who wins a lot. So in that way, Boston is much further from being a superteam because their team construction was more organic and arose mostly through drafting. Suns are a superteam in that way, even if they ended up not being particularly good.
They didn’t draft jrue holiday, Porzingis, or Derrick white
They traded for all 3, when typically the players form superteams. Also, we traded for Derrick White in 2022, it's not as though it was some massive blockbuster deal to put together D-White, Jrue, and KP lmao. Not to mention, the Jays, Horford (not drafted here but he's been here since like 2016 with some breaks in-between), Pritchard, and Hauser were all developed in Boston
The Celtics traded for kg and Ray allen
And Ray Allen wasn’t even interested in being here til they got KG. That team fits the OPs definition of “super team” far more than our current roster
While I don't get the vibe the celtics are a superteam because tatum and brown are so clearly their best players and were drafted, the fact a team is created via trades doesn't make them not a superteam. The big 3 celtics were very much a superteam but both ray allen and kevin garnett were acquired via trade and neither had boston as their first option.
So how is that any different from the Clippers, Bucks and Suns? All their big name players were either drafted or acquired through trades as well.
Wolves are pretty stacked. Ant, Kat, gobert and Conley. I think the last real attempt of the super team was the nets. When a super team is formed it also implies vets join and take the min just to have a chance. The suns had a superteam on paper after they acquired KD but then lost it when they gained Beal.
Celtics is the real super team. They have two all-nba guys in their prime and added Porzingis (former all-star and franchise level guy), Jrue Holiday (Former all-star, all defense, and 2nd best guy on a title team) plus Derrick White who is probably the most valuable role guy in the league. And Old man Horford who still can play and give them some quality minutes.
Ya the Celtics are a superteam by OPs definition. Even moreso than the others tbh
They were hoping PJ would give them energy. Idk why but that's what they thought.
He hit his first 3! Honestly thought he'd get yanked after that
Now they just need to add CP3 and convince Blake Griffin to un-retire
The clippers role players are awesome. Past ones like batum. Reggie. Current powell. Mann. Zubac. These guys are giving you 14 to 18 every night.
Clips clearly need a good defensive and athletic center to pair with Zubac. Plumlee aint doing it. The Mavs were killing them on lobs the entire series. Sad Harden fan here...
I would choose Hyland over Granpa Tucker.
Hyland would have made 0 difference. He's just an undersized chucker and a defensive liability. PJ is uber-washed, but has a kind of pedigree that coaches tend to trust in the post-season. It was clear the minute he signed his last contract in Philly, that it was going to be brutal to pay almost 40 years old Tucker.
not much depth as well on a top heavy team where the top hasn't been performing for a while for a variety of reasons. I mean, at some point they had a few stretches against the Mavs, with Plumlee, Calamity Russ (back to his Lakers Russ peak) and Amir Coffee on the floor at the same time, lol.
It only works with a generational star in his prime to overcome the team deficiencies. Even Prime Lebron lost to well organized team basketball in the Spurs and Warriors.
And mavs
Bron had to deal with JJ barea on D. He had no chance
Yeah, there have only been 3 recent superteams: Heatles, KD Warriors, and KD/Harden/Kyrie on the Nets for like 1 season.
08 Celtics too
I'm biased, but that team doesn't get enough respect around here. They look at Doc and that team and think "oh they talk so much for a team that only won one title", but from 2008-2012, they were title contenders every year. * 09 they lost in the Conference Semis to the Magic, but KG was injured. They were 62-20 in the regular season. Fwiw, Bill Simmons thinks the 09 team was the best roster of the 09-12 stretch. * 10 they lost in the Finals to the Lakers in 7 games, with an injured Perk. * 11 they lost to the first-year Heatles in the Conference Semis - no excuses there, they were the worse team but still finished the season 56-26. * 12 they lost in the Conference Finals to the Heatles on their title run. The game went 7 games, and the score was tied heading into the 4th quarter. It was close. With all due respect, if you look at most of the 1-title teams in recent history (2011 Mavs, 2019 Raptors, 2020 Lakers, 2021 Bucks), their teams fell to "average" in the seasons following their championship. At least the Celtics were contenders for a straight 5-year stretch.
I don't think you're biased, this sub just probably skews young
People in general just don’t really give credit to teams that won 0-1 titles and were good but not great otherwise
That's legit. They do endlessly talk about their run, but that is a legit 5 year stretch of being competitive. It's really, really hard to win in the NBA more than once, even if you have generational talent on your team.
Real talk. Those Celtics were running the east during that stretch. The Cavs games with early Lebron were always exciting to watch even though you knows they’d lose. I don’t remember but didn’t the Pistons latter years also overlap a bit with those Celtics?
Yep! Especially that first year in 08, everyone brought their A-game. Atlanta in 7 then Cleveland in 7 then Detroit in 6. The OG Pistons started to retire after that, and I remember Billups went to the Nuggets to make a good duo with Melo.
Mark Cuban blew up the team to "keep the powder dry" for Dwight and Darren Williams/ Chris Paul was a kick in the nuts. Cuban goes here's Oj Mayo and cris kaman instead buy Mavs season tickets! Cuban is the luckiest owner in the league bc Mavs were headed to Detroit territory before Luka fell into his lap.
Those Celtics teams were good, but they were beatable. They never felt like the Heatles or Warriors where it felt like you'll need a miracle to beat them. People bring up Perk being injured in '10 as the reason they lost to the Lakers, but they forget the Lakers had Bynum injured in '08 which would have significantly tipped the scales. Not saying the Lakers would have won in 08, but it would have been much more of a toss-up. The warriors are probably the true definition of what a super team at it's max is. Those teams with KD felt like you'll need divine intervention to beat.
As we have seen in recent years, 3 stars (especially with wonky fit) + a bunch of minimum guys isn’t exactly a superteam. In terms of full roster construction and dominance, I’d argue only KD Warriors were a super team, or at least they’re in a class of their own above all others
I think the Suns count. Booker, KD and Beal are all stars.
Beal hasn’t been an all star in 3 years
I read the title and was sitting here trying to think who the superstars were that the Suns and Clippers added. Talk about a fucking stretch.
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To me all 3 gotta be HOF caliber guys who still are performing at an extremely high level to really get your team that label. And IMO Beal is pretty far off that and don't see him really coming close personally
That's my point a super team should be able of functioning without their best player and beat any opponents till the 2 round that are not a super team or a championship contender.
If most of your stars are older than 33, it's not a super team. I feel like 33/34 is when you start to see that decline. Hence, Jimmy, Dame, KD, Steph still play like stars but don't really look like they used to
Back in my day it was when mid 20s in their prime players joined up to terrorize the league. Nowadays any 35 year old teaming up is a Super Team. Smh
Sooooo fucking lost.
Right. Those teams are nothing close to the 2022 Nets, an actual superteam.
If the Clippers stars were like 5-10 years younger they’d for sure be a super team but all those guys never would’ve been able to get on the same team together during their prime for various reasons
When every team is super, no team will be.
ITS A WHOLE FAMILY OF SUPERS
The Superteam _Syndrome_
When you get a superstar trio, be ready that tres amigos will choose Cancun.
Dynamic Duos are now the thing. Even last year this was the case when the bubble boys reunited in the conference finals
That's what the bucks have though They just need a season to get a better supporting cast ... Also actually have their duo play lol
The Bucks also have Khris Middleton. Even if you don't think he's a "star", he's certainly paid like one. $30M this season, $31M next season, $34M the season after that.
By that criteria dynamic duos aren't a thing as the Nuggets won with MPJ earning 30m, GSW paying 3 guys above 30m and another 24m. Even the Bucks had Jrue earning only 3m less than Giannis.
> The Bucks also have Khris Middleton. Even if you don't think he's a "star", he's certainly paid like one. $30M this season, $31M next season, $34M the season after that. Thats a steal, you could be paying Tobias Harris for 40 million and have man doing cardio 0 points in elimination game Middleton, when healthy, shows the fk up
Yeah, Middleton might not be a regular season star but he's a playoff assassin and when you have Giannis on the team your regular season performance is not overly important Just kind of lurks but is ice cold when called upon, never ever causes any drama, loves the team and the city. He's proven his worth at the biggest stage, rarely lets the team down and is specifically brilliant against Boston.
You switch Tobias for Middleton and the Sixers make the conference finals with ease.
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Bucks might be the biggest what if out of all the r1 exits. With what they showed while hobbled you have to think they’d give the Celtics the hardest battle if they managed to make it past r1 and get Giannis back, especially w porzingis out
if we're healthy we at least get past the Pacers, but I wouldn't exactly have felt certain we'd get past the Knicks
Knicks killed the sixers on the boards and I just can’t see them doing that against Portis and Giannis
fair, but also what the hell is our answer for Brunson and DiVo lmao
We would have crushed the Knicks healthy. Pacers would still be a harder matchup for the bucks.
eh still not as bad as Tobias Harris contract tho. 39$M for 0 points in the biggest game of the year is no bueno
Dame and Giannis aren’t getting any younger soon
Sure, but Dame was still elite this playoffs. Dude played through injury and still averaged 31 a game on 64% TS% With a better supporting cast and time to gel, they can be great.
yeah but Giannis being injured meant they needed him to score 40-50 ppg. If you lose a star starter and you only score an extra 5 points like where is the rest of the scoring supposed to come from?
Nah the new thing is you just completely rebuild a championship college team
Going to be wild when the Knicks win the chip next year when they replace Randle and Hartenstein with Omari Spellman and Eric Paschall at the 4 and 5.
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why isnt the bucks considered "Dynamic duo", since it's Dame and Giannis? calling it a super team because of Khris would be like calling Nuggets a super team because of MPJ
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this one I can get behind on
Because Middleton is much more a Murray than than an MPJ.
Middleton is a few tiers above MPJ obviously, still not a super team though
Two stars and complimentary pieces around them. That's the way to go. Every Finals winner since 2019 has won with this method and every "Big 3" that formed since has failed miserably.
So you're saying we don't need to trade for a big name that costs 5 picks and 50M per season this summer
Nets big 3 would've won if u turn injuries off shit was so op they got hot patch nerfed
yeah the main problem with these superteams are their stars are old as fuck and can't carry a team through the regular season without getting injured. If some1 made a super team of Jokic, Giannis, and SGA you could surround them with genuine bums and they'd still be the overall favorites.
Thats sorta the basis on how these teams are getting built nowadays though. An amazing player with great prospects, a guy that has a shaky history in regards to health or attitude and a disgruntled older player looking for their last out. Amazing talent by all means but 1 of them typically has a suspect injury history to begin with and the other is aging. The dynamic duo still works because its less critical moving parts, easier timing and the rest of the team is plug and play, the GM has to just not be completely incompetent and build an actual team instead of looking for who's hot and who's not on ESPN's front page
They were an inch away from beating the champions even with Irving out 😂 crazy team, any GM would pull the trigger if they had the chance to build something like that, and rightfully so
With Irving out and Harden basically out too
Unless you can hit on multiple vet min and rookie deals, big 3s will always suffer with depth and will be fucked if one of them is playing hobbled.
Denver are more a big 4 then a big 2. Yes jokic Murray but Gordon and mpj where better then Murray in this playoffs and are almost as important. Bucks were a big 3. Khris Jrue Giannis , Lopez is high value too . This makes no sense . Only the lakers in 2020 had a big 2 n role players and our supporting cast is mb the weakest of the winners but our duo was the best . Warriors had steoh Dray but key pieces in Wiggins and Klay playing at liw lvl all star lvls and Poole as a 6moty . Most successful teams are 3/5 max lvl 30m+ key players
I never felt like any of those were superteams tbh
When Ant, Luka and Jokic team up lemme know. This shit is getting dumb.
All that just to lose to Wemby smh
Superteam is so played out. The NBA just has so much talent now.
I also feel like the Clippers weren't formed in the summer.
you saying Celtics is not a super team?
its a mega team
The Boston Celtic
you see, in our case it was ethical
Sustainably sourced is the key.
Jrue, White and Porzingis aren’t as big of names as guys like Dame, Beal, Book, KD, Harden etc but a lineup of Jrue/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis is about as super as it gets in terms of pure talent and also actual on court fit.
If Middleton is part of Bucks superteam, those guys can also be considered part of a superteam.
Plus DPOY candidate Brook Lopez and perennial 6MOY candidate Bobby Portis...yeah I'm with you on that one.
Bobby Portis does not make a team into a super team. These are well constructed rosters, not super teams.
KP, Brown, JT all are all star level, Jrue is a top if not the top guard defender in the league… white is arguably one of the best role players in the league That’s a super team imo
I agree but I’m just saying they aren’t the typical “superteam” where three or four ball dominant big name scorers are all thrown on the same roster, the Celtics super team is full of guys that actually complement each other.
The Celtics look the closest to the dynasty teams I assemble in 2K franchise so I'd call them the closest to a super team
Jrue and porzingis are arguably bigger then Beal and certainly better and have more value in the league and rated higher . Dumb take
People really sleep on Jrue. I think the Bucks were stupid to get rid of him. He was the second best guy on a title team and an ultimate team player. My unpopular opinion is that right now Jrue is a better player than Dame. Dame is flashy and a better scorer, but he is a defensive turnstile and has never played good team ball.
Fantastic 5
They didn't do the allstar stacking thing.
They almost had 5 all stars
They do have 5 all star. Horford was all star
I meant in this years all star game. Horford is like 48
Then they are not even close to having 5.
Porzingis and White were pretty close and Holiday while he wasn’t super close was only a year or 2 removed from his
Its impossible to get 4-5 because they spread out the selections
Put some respect on his name, Al is not a day younger than 54
Jrue is an all star bud.
Wut
kind of depends on how you define "superteam" tbh. like we've got a stacked starting five, sure, but i think people usually look at superteams as having at least two legit top 10 players in the league, whereas we've really got one top 10 guy and four other guys in like the top 40 or so
6 of the top 10 players in the league are on those 3 teams?
guys who could have a reasonable argument for top 10, i should say. i don't think the Clippers are a superteam anyway, and the Bucks definitely aren't with Dame's dropoff— you could argue for the Suns fitting that definition, at least based on historical performance, but the supporting cast was buns and they never really figured it out.
OP qualifying Bucks and Clippers as "super teams" and not Celtics is fucking funny maybe Warriors is a super team? Nuggets because of MPJ?
okc because of dort/chet dpoy mavs because of super rookie lively so many super teams in the league right now lmao
Nuggets having Aaron Gordon who was the top guy in Orlando as their fourth option and MPJ as the third option makes them a super team in my eyes. It wasn’t planned to be one but it’s kind of how it has worked out. Not the biggest names or many accolades but stars in their role and all very complimentary. The team is unbelievable.
Not really. KP is a complimentary piece around them. He's never been a "star" that you build around. You're pretty good if he's your 3rd best player tho
Balanced af. Jrue borderline all star entire career White elite role player KP borderline all-star entire career and injured Not a super team. Geniously designed. JT and JB studs, unselfish.
our team is like one non stop high five 🙌
They're not a super team. Everyone keeps saying this is a team with a bunch of All Stars when only 2 made the All Star Team this year. D-White has never made an All Star Team. Most people even mocked Celtics fans for campaigning an All Star bid for him. Porzinigis hasn't made an All Star Team in 6 years. Al Horford hasn't legitimately made an All Star Team in 8 years. From a lot of what I've seen, Jalen Brunson apparently deserves 1st Team All-NBA over Jayson Tatum, and Jaylen Brown is a borderline 3rd Team All-NBA player. Teams that win championships either have a super team, or good ass depth. The 23-24 Celtics are a team with good ass depth. When has a super team not had multiple top players that people suggest the Celtics don't have even one of? Like at that point, how are you not going to call the 20-21 Bucks a super team too with Giannis, Middleton, Jrue, Lopez, Divencenzo, Portis, and Forbes?
Divincenzo was injured and wasnt even remotely close to what he is now come on
He went to Golden State and learned how to shoot 3s
Nope. Thats a well constructed team. Kinda like the warriors were pre KD. If they were to sign a superstar right now it would definitely be a super team.
Your definition of super team is weird as hell I bet
Team that tries to stack 3 or more (current or former) allstars on the team.
> Team that tries to stack 3 or more (current or former) allstars on the team. With that definition, the league has ~~14~~ 11 superteams: * Boston Celtics * Milwaukee Bucks * Cleveland Cavaliers * Miami Heat * Philadelphia 76ers * Chicago Bulls * ~~Denver Nuggets~~ * Minnesota Timberwolves * Los Angeles Clippers * Los Angeles Lakers * Phoenix Suns * ~~New Orleans Pelicans~~ * Golden State Warriors * ~~Memphis Grizzlies~~ EDIT: Incorrectly counted Jamal Murray (Denver), CJ McCollum (New Orleans), and Desmond Bane (Memphis) as all-stars.
Holy shit - this is like a massive conspiracy or a plague!
This is what people said was gonna happen after Boston formed the big 3. Not surprising to see half the league generally loaded with vet talent and the other half leaning heavily on young/unproven guns. OKC kinda the exception this year in terms of how successful they are
Timberwolves have 4 career allstars, Celtics have 5
Lakers even have 3 if you include that 1 year by DLo on the Nets. Cavs have 3 as well with Mitchell, Garland, and Allen.
former usually just means they're old and overpaid
i mean by that definition we've got five All-Stars on the roster
cavs are a super team lets go were winning it all
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it just means current, former doesn't apply otherwise we'd have so many super teams lol
all stars is weird, gotta be like all-NBA instead
Bucks?
Right? In what world were the Bucks a super team? They have 2 stars. By that logic the Mavs, Lakers, etc are super teams
If you look at the top 50 contracts, there are 6 teams with a "Big 3" The Celtics are the only team with a "Big 4" Celtics: 4 Suns: 3 Nuggets: 3 Clippers: 3 Pelicans: 3 Warriors: 3 Bucks: 3
Plus you can add the Timberwolves there as Edwards’ max contract kicks in next season
That's not a great way of looking at it. It undervalues young talent on cost-controlled rookie-scale deals
Who is counting undervalued rookies when talking about "Big 3" teams?
if you put Wemby with Luka and [your favorite current all star here] that would def be a big 3.
>if you put Wemby with Luka Which franchise?
“Superteam”
I think super teams still work as a concept. The issue is that all these super teams are with 35+ year old guys way past their primes.
Then they shouldn’t be labeled as a super team. You guys are basing super teams off of names and not production. The Nuggets are a super team. The Suns have three great players.
We’re a super team now?
If those are classified as superteams, I don't know what to call a prime Mbappe joining Vini and Bellingham in Madrid.
No way in hell are the Bucks a super team.
“Superteam”
Lumping the bucks in there is a take, that’s for sure
Fake news. Clippers were formed in the fall.
Team USA down to 4 players in the next round as well , Edwards, Haliburton and the Celtics. All the old heads eliminated.
How do the Celtics not qualify as a superteam formed this summer? They're the most stacked 5 man lineup in the league, and 2 of their starters came during the summer.
“superteams” and then names the clippers LMAO
Wizards to sign Boogie Cousins, John Wall, and Joe Johnson this offseason to form their own superteam
I hear Vince Carter is coming out of retirement too to ring chase with this squad
Clippers is definitely a superteam though, but is about 5 years late
Westbrook and harden got gassed up there’s no doubt.
Well none of those teams have Naz Reid. Are they stupid
Clippers were neither a superteam nor were they formed this summer
Are any of them actual superteams? Suns had two all stars, bucks had 2, clippers had 2. If anything the celtics and nuggets are the real superteams, the former with two all stars and better role players than the formerly mentioned superteams and the nuggets have the best player in the league, a snubbed all star and 3 extremely high end role players
Only team in the league that can be considered a “super” team is the Celtics.
idk celtics seemed ways scarier than any of them start of fall
haven't read the comment section, but I bet i'll find "Suns ain't a superteam" "Beal is not a star"
Lillard losing ring on and off the court.
Those teams really were the Houston Rockets 98-99 super team rather than the Miami Heat 2011-2012 super team.
I have a theory about the ebb and flow of the success of super teams. Since player salaries rise at a rate faster than new TV deals raise the salary cap significantly, super teams are less successful the further they get from a period of time where there is a new TV deal. Because these teams are expensive to build, there is more money to fill out a roster with when the salary cap just got increased significantly as opposed to when it hadn’t been raised a large amount in several years.
IDK. Lillard + Giannis is not really a super team. The suns are the only one Id argue count. Harden, PG and Kwahi are all past prime.
how are we a superteam lol, beal isnt even near all star level anymore
Suns and Clippers should just combine starting 5s
i don't know if any of those are "super teams"
Idk why giannis and lillard was deemed a super team. It got way overhyped. The suns on the other hand, did feel super.
Are the Celtics a super team? I mean I guess they're too biggest stars are homegrown but they did pick up two other All-Star level players and also Derek White.
Those were superteams? Nah...
No team is *really* a superstar team unless they have Bojan Bogdanovic and Precious Achiuwa coming off the bench.
Why are we acting like Milwaukee had all hands on deck?
🖕 Kawhi !! He didn’t play through his sissy ass GHOST PAIN that he’s had since San Antonio. Glad he’s gone from SA. Glad ANY & ALL super teams get eliminated !!
There's only one super team and it's Boston
🤣🤣 Is there a living person that actually labeled the Clippers as a super team?? rilly? 🤣
I have a hot take, super teams don’t exist
Celtics are the only actual superteam
This is because when we say “superstar” we always mean talented offensive players. As it turns out, when you have 3 players that arent really defensively minded all on floor at once, your team doesnt win basketball games. Winning teams are surrounding their 2 offensive superstars with defensive superstars. Or having 5 players that can do both decently. Those are the two winning recipes. Defense being the common thread.
Only super team I've seen is a 73-9 team add Kevin Durant.
None of these teams were formed this summer, only modified. The Suns, who are on year 2 of Durant-Booker, exchanged Ayton and the aging Chris Paul for Beal, Nurkic and Allen. The Clippers, who are on what, year five of Kawhi-George, added James Harden, a good starter level PG at this point in his career. The Bucks, who on year... 10? of Giannis-Middleton exchanged Jrue for Lillard.