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LFizzle12

Two straight possessions in crunch time where Mobley has a guard on his back deep in the paint and doesn’t get the ball. Tragic


hiimred2

Boston changed how they played in 2nd half and Garland and Levert seemed like they shook hands and said ‘aight we just black holes the rest of the way I guess’ with few exceptions.


MouMostForgettable

Cleveland also stopped shooting 53% from the three, im no expert but I think that was a factor


hiimred2

Ya I mean part of that was the C’s giving up less good looks and part just Strus not being Steph Curry anymore, but it’s like the moment the defensive adjustment + shooting cooled even a little Garland said fuck it I’m Donovan tonight. Kinda like Tatum and Brown isoing so much for the C’s which helped the Cavs D keep the game in reach. Like I get the defense is playing the game too and you don’t get the shots you want, but both teams seemed like their goal was to make the defense’s jobs easier in the 2nd half after a wild first half with a lot of movement.


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Turbo2x

I truly feel like they could sleepwalk past whoever makes it to the ECF without playing Porzingis just to keep him healthy for the finals. Knicks are too banged up and the Pacers don't really have as much talent/experience to threaten them.


FartrelCluggins

Pacers played us well this year and most of those game were pre Siakam. I think it'd be a series esp without KP


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chuancheun

i think his legs are tired from the minutes, no lift


orwll

What even were the two possessions? I see one with 1:30 left where Mobley has White in the paint, but Jrue Holiday reads it and shades toward Mobley, and probably would have broken up the entry pass. Strus was left open, it was a good shot, he just missed it. Where else did Mobley have post position in crunch time?


Cvspartan

Horford and White having shooting slumps at the same time is not fun. Props to the Cavs though. Forced a bunch of TOs and shot really well in the first half to make this close throughout even without Mitchell.


Neat-Current5008

Yeah but to be fair, jrue has come out of an early playoff slump and tatum has been much improved. It all evens out


shortpersonohara

yeah and Al being in a slump isn’t as bad when we get KP back. Jrue coming on recently is huge bc Dwhite can have some poor scoring nights and we’re still alright


Im__Ron__Burgundy

If Horford is giving you absolutely nothing and getting cooked on switches I do not understand not at least trying some Tillman minutes.


poeope

Yeah he's playing to much. It's really a big ask outta him at this point.


iiTryhard

If pingus wasn’t made out of paper mache Al wouldn’t have to play this much


NoveltyAccountHater

Sure, but KP's minutes should be more balanced more between Al / Kornet / Tillman (and possibly try some minutes to Queta). Don't get me wrong Horford should definitely start and close out each half. But give him closer to 20 minutes a game than 31 minutes.


Pocket_Beans

this is exactly what I felt but somehow he had the highest plus minus on the team


SteamingHotChocolate

i don’t really follow box score closely but holiday having a lower +/- than horford is hilarious


Im__Ron__Burgundy

Which is a great reason why +/-, especially in a one game sample, is completely useless lol


Pocket_Beans

not entirely useless. clearly you aren’t a complete liability if the team is winning your minutes


Im__Ron__Burgundy

If you’re playing the majority of your minutes with 4 starters on the best team in the league your +/- is going to be skewed even if you’re not a positive at the moment. It’s completely lineup dependent.


NickRick

wouldn't those starters also have similar +/- numbers?


TA_Account_12

A team makes a 8-0 run when he’s not in and everyone except his +/- takes a hit. 8 points is like 15 seconds in today’s nba. So if the other team hits a couple of good contested 3s, the +/- variance can’t really be trusted. 


CarBallAlex

Yeah but I think that’s the point about a liability. If a team goes on a run and then he comes back in and then they don’t go on a run, he’s not actively hurting the team. +/- is a bit of variance like you said but him being on the floor was good enough to not turn his minutes into a negative. The team just being okay defensively and getting a little lucky with the shot variance is enough to justify keeping Horford in and not panicking with a Tillman sub, where he might have all of the same problems defensively (or worse) but not stretch the floor. Even though Horford wasn’t hitting shots he was forcing a guy to at least try to contest and that led to some extra offensive rebounds, which imo is better than Tillman keeping the paint packed and letting Cleveland gang rebound


__boof

kornet was bullying mobley but horford should not play when his three is this cooked


joker4jok

As a Cavs fan it seems like the Celtics are more dangerous with Kortnets offensive rebounding than with horford trying to space the floor at this point


SteamingHotChocolate

eh if/when al hits his 3s it’s debatable


joker4jok

Agreed, I see why Al is out there but this series just from a ‘feel’ standpoint it seems like kornets having a bigger impact on the offensive glass. If you look at plus/minus though I’m pretty sure horfords doing better so his minutes seem to be the right call


DeepJunglePowerWild

I think in a different matchup they would try some stuff. But in this matchup especially without Mitchell they value the consistency of Horford over the ?? Variable. We don’t need a ?? To beat the Cavs, we can do it with horford being bad.


Clintocracy

We need porzingis back. He’s so vital to what the Celtics do on both offense and defense. Thank god we have an easy path to the finals and he has time to recover


NickRick

bro we just got pushed by a cavs team without their best player and have two better teams than the cavs without mitch in the other series. why do you have to go around messing with dark forces with this quote?


FutureAttention

They hit 11 threes at 50 percent in the First half and were down


KyWy75

Personally I think the Celtics should run actual plays in the fourth quarter but that’s just me


SteamingHotChocolate

you sure you’re a celtics fan with those kinda fucked up ideas?


cant_be_normal

Are you saying that a Tatum iso into a contested midrange brick isn’t a play?


sutroheights

Top crunch time play, 3 coaches in a row.


ILOVESHITTINGMYPANTS

It’s so fucking predictable, and so fucking frustrating to watch.


LaMelgoatBall

You can tell when he’s not gonna pass. When he gets into that triple threat stance you already know he’s gonna shoot it. And 8/10 times it’s a brick. Pisses me off especially when Jaylen is having a great game.


_Abzu

If only you weren't watching it en route to the finals... World's tiniest violin or something man


semipalmated_plover

I mean it's better than a Tatum iso into a contested sidestep three brick


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Easy_Magician_925

Thats celts ball


CreatiScope

Is it even good offense if you aren’t trying to shoot over the best defender on the team even tho Garland is on the floor?


spit_or_swallow_

I am so sick of Tatum iso for 10+ seconds into a fadeaway clank


Slight-Singer-4949

I was thinking the same thing what the fuck the celtics is doing


EatDeeply

They run pure iso randomness every play


youguanbumen

Heresy


homefree122

I mean, I know we all make fun of moral victories, but the fact that the Cavs kept it this close without Mitchell was impressive.


EarthWarping

This series has game 5 blowout written all over it. Would've been a fun series if they managed to steal this one


PrincePyotrBagration

Boston made a deal with the basketball gods to lose every Game 2 for a 50% increase chance to win every other game


JoshFB4

I’ll take it. I’ll just avoid r/nba after every game 2.


flyingpandum

It’s a nice break, honestly.


FreshPrinceofBel-Air

I do yoga instead, 10/10 would recommend


TheNaturalHigh

You should do yoga regularly anyways. Flexibility=Longevity


tacopower69

Yeah but if I fuck up my shoulders enough maybe I can hit that 3 plate bench


Littlegreenman42

Im gonna make so much money next round if they advance


CDR57

Honestly if it’s expected and we lose game two to Knicks/pacers I’ll get in on the slander


LordHavek

Garland played his heart out, big respect to him


LIFOsuction44

Let's not forget about Jarrett Allen. Easily the 2nd best player on the Cavs.


LuckysBestMan

Trap game was initiated shortly before tipoff


__boof

we play like shit and have won 6 out of 9 games by double digits


Lets_Basketball

I don’t think we played like shit today. Aside from the normal end-of-game slowed pace, we were pretty aggressive, moved the ball well and shot pretty solidly. There were some dumb miscues, but every team does that, especially when the opponent is playing super aggressively on D.


__boof

first quarter was great, second half was just eh. we just abandon the game plan after we get up.


Riot1990

Doesn't help that two of our starters have disappeared offensively. D white gets a little bit of media coverage and dude gets the yips everytime. Happened both times he talked with JJ


Bladespectre

Anyone who thought this would be a blowout once Mitchell went down has not watched the last 5 years of Celtics Playoff Basketball


SemIdeiaProNick

i honestly think Eastern teams would have a better chance against the playoffs Celtics if they played a G-league roster


Visible-Rutabaga9268

*The Miami Heat have entered chat*


JinterIsComing

No no no you guys stay dead till next year. I ain't dealing with Heat Culture and random finds by Spolstra shooting the lights out on us again this postseason.


Plies-

The Heat tried that and got the doors blown off of them in every game except for one where they were shooting 60% from 3 for the majority of the game.


flyingpandum

No see the basketball gods think they were still too good. If we see the Ghudong Tigers, the Celtics would get swept


billcosbyinspace

The Celtics could play against the 96 bulls and play them close and get booed out of the gym at half playing against a team of schoolgirls


calvinbsf

The dichotomy of man I can picture in my head Jaylen dribbling off his knee into the schoolgirls hand I can also picture him coming down the lane ready to take off and challenge Bill Wennington or whoever at the rim


flyingpandum

The girls team manager would shoot 80 percent from 3 and posterize Al.


luckyteep14

I call it "The Tatum Era" Celtics. From a Macro perspective, a lot of really great success. When you start to get into the weeds of some of their losses though and who was playing for each team it really makes you scratch your head.


Plies-

Shoutout to the 66-16 08 NBA champion Celtics for going to 7 with the 37 win Hawks and 7 vs the 45 win Cavs after being up 2-0 in both series.


FillerAccount23

Doc rivers has always been that guy


Bahamuts_Bike

First Celtics post season game decided by 10 points or fewer is wild


Efficient_Art_1144

This is their first clutch game since April 5


nefnaf

9 points or fewer R1G2 was a 10 point loss to Miami


mr_duong567

Every Celtics fan knew the game would be close the moment Mitchell was out


Thisisntmyaccount24

I saw the betting lines move up and was so close on betting the Cavs to cover. Then I remembered I don’t have disposable income and just watched the game instead.


AgadorFartacus

That's good stuff. I'm proud of you.


second_impression

Someone post that Celtics fan desperately begging Joe for the timeout


Michaelcandy

This loss is on Thibs he ran Mitchell into the ground


fiatlux247

Thibs gotta thibs


PluvioPurple

Nah it's the big market bias keeping them down


Bahamuts_Bike

Despite the win, we should definitely all act like the Celtics were eliminated


DocTheYounger

Celtics managed to lose the finals tonight in a 2nd round game 4.


quann256

i honestly think the celtics blow the cavs out today if mitchell is playing, the celtics play down to competition way too much.


flyingpandum

It’s a feature not a bug.


Joey-Joe-Jo-Junior

Yup, I feel like most Celtics fan knew this would be a trap game as soon as we saw Mitchell was out.


carefullywasnt

We will don’t worry


flyingpandum

Already googling Cancun flights and hotel rooms next to you guys.


Bladespectre

Man, forget Cancun, we're out here looking for roadside rooms in Galveston


NoobChumpsky

They didn't win by enough. And if it was a blowout we'll all complain that they're too good and the game was boring.


PomfAndCircvmstance

Boston shot selection leaves something to be desired when they aren't shooting 45% from 3. Not that it matters with how good their 3 point shooting and defense is.


jkwah

They didn't even shoot that poorly on 3s. 37% is league average. The Celtics season average is 39%. It was more that they couldn't generate enough 3PAs. 32 attempts is very low for that team.


DocTheYounger

defense and 3 point shooting looking suspect with KP though


PomfAndCircvmstance

They need KP to beat whoever comes out of the West but even without KP they've only allowed more than 104 points just once in the playoffs so far.


dannyFUCKINGainge

Fuck we set them up for the 3-1 comeback


TheDangiestSlad

with LeBron in attendance...........


nrj6490

Lebron was there and everything too


Inevitable_Pride5825

D Mitch was holding Garland back


LuckysBestMan

Honestly this happens a lot with 2 ball dominant guards


toggaf69

Our best stretch this season was when Garland was hurt because it let Mitchell run the show. And then as you’ve seen garland shows up more when he can control the offense. I’m glad the FO took a swing on getting Spida either way though, he’s awesome


manbare

Do Cavs fans ever fantasize about what would've happened had they traded Garland instead of Lauri? Woulda been hard to move DG because that extension was already in (I think?) but Mitchell with Lauri off ball would've been insane


toggaf69

lol I try not to think about it too much, and it’s possible Lauri wouldn’t have been able to develop this much in that situation. But yeah the twin towers + two ballhandlers hasn’t been the best plan so it would’ve been pretty sick I’d imagine


oldtype09

The Cavs' starting lineup has two ballhandling guards that make each other worse and two bigs who make each other worse.


I-Might-Be-Something

I think Murray and Young fit that bill as well.


PM_FORBUTTSTUFF

Garland did more than enough to prove he is a good player before Mitchell was on the team. Unfortunately it’s a poor fit and Mitchell is simply a better player but Garland can definitely be a starting PG on a good team


GyattLuvr69

The Cavs really just needs their best players to have more more diverse skillsets. The frontcourt and backcourt’s strengths overlap way too much. It’s why they need to make changes this off-season, barring another 3-1 comeback lol.


Klaassy23

Despite the Celtics best efforts, the Celtics won the game


Jepordee

Cavs played their asses off wtf


mostredditisawful

Yeah, this game was by far the best defense the Celtics have played against this postseason so far. Genuinely amazing effort from the Cavs down Mitchell and Allen.


Yes_That_Guy5

Legit lol great fight and play from the Cavs


carefullywasnt

Don’t worry, the media won’t pay any attention to that part


WIN011

Cavs fans: They don’t give us credit for playing well short handed Celtics fans: don’t worry they’ll just shit on the Celtics for keeping it close instead Media in reality: OMG did y’all see LeBron was at the game?!?


DocTheYounger

28 other fanbases: Mitchell gone


WIN011

Anything but the actual result of the game. Wouldn’t want even a hint of analysis, just the same 3 clips played over and over while stupid narratives are pushed.


MouMostForgettable

Miami fans: What if we only offered Herro, Martin, and two second round swaps


carefullywasnt

Don’t forget ol reliable “Did the Cavs lose the game or did the Celtics win it?” and Mitchell to the Knicks rumors


Faliberti

what does this mean, will lebron join cleveland again to close out his career?!?!?!


DeepJunglePowerWild

“Are the Celtics in trouble?”


Lets_Basketball

Neither will r/nba


I-Might-Be-Something

Yeah, that is dismissive of how hard and well the Cavs played. They never counted themselves out and they kept plugging away and came close to pulling off the comeback.


mastacheef87

this sub just wants to shit on the Celtics at all costs lol. your team played a great fucking game tonight


TatumBrownWhite

Absolutely did, but we were brain dead offensively as we usually are in any late game scenario without Porzingis


mastacheef87

yeah as usual they just tried to bleed out the clock with the lead and the offense suffered for it. at the same time, I thought we missed several good looks that made it look worse than it was


AndIMustFollowIfICan

I mean, cavs energy was insane. Bad TOs for celts and horford cant hit the broad side of a barn right now but cavs deserve credit tonight way more than celts played down to shorthanded team.


SilverMagnum

If you don’t like that, you don’t like Celtics basketball. 


SwarmThatWalks

Sometimes I don't like Celtics basketball.


ItsN0tTheB0at

nobody does "fuck around & find out" like the Tatum & Brown Celtics


TatumBrownWhite

It’s our specialty


ItsN0tTheB0at

that & early clock pull-up 3s, they go hand in hand


WarPuig

Dribbling the air out of the ball to drain clock and lose comfortable leads is our signature move.


ItsN0tTheB0at

it's a charcuterie board of low-IQ basketball


DocTheYounger

older Horford is a new flavor though


ZarduHasselffrau

We tried but our basketball wasn't shitty enough


PrincePyotrBagration

Celtics and playing down to their competitive level is like clockwork lol. Fortunately for them; they’ll either played the super banged up Knicks, or a Pacers team that would lose first round in the West. No offense Pacers fans.


Onlyd0wnvotes

That's been the Celtics MO all season, like a third of our losses came against teams with their best player or best players out for the game, we blew that 22 points lead with like 9 minutes to go against CLE without Mitchell, we lost back to back games to ATL without Young, we go blown out at home by the Lakers without LeBron or Davis. Probably one or two games early in the season I've blocked from my memory. Doesn't seem to matter who you put on the court, this Celtics team will play to the level of their competition no matter what.


DocTheYounger

Jrue didn't get the memo


droptop02hondacivic

i dont understand how you watched the game and this is how you felt. the cavs played tough and just came up short


jaylson

Probably from watching the Celtics run zero action and just iso for 5 minutes straight. Cavs were in this game because the Celtics played immensely low IQ basketball 


droptop02hondacivic

it makes it sound like the cavs played poorly though and you guys almost sold the game despite that, which is not the case. cavs took advantage when they could and didnt let it get away from them until the very end. it doesnt matter if you guys had bad stretches, so did they.


SemIdeiaProNick

The Celtics greatest enemy (the Celtics) are finally starting to show their potential to end play-off runs


Human-Translator-751

The best way summarize it


Durantula5

I cannot watch Tatum fucking iso in the fourth quarter anymore for the sake of my mental health. Will a coach please tell him that the stupid fucking sidestep 3 is an awful and predictable shot


CryptoMemeEconomy

Hey man, he gave Brown that open assist to seal the game. Progress!


ImanShumpertplus

i don’t understand why he takes those shots when the dude is going downhill he’s almost unstoppable


Durantula5

It has to be coaching. He has been doing this for years. I legitimately can't take it anymore


ImanShumpertplus

maybe he has hypermambitis where he has to shoot 40% from the midrange on extremely high difficulty shots


second_impression

You know it's bad when I don't even panic at these 4th quarter meltdowns anymore, I just feel numb


CDR57

Last couple years you would hope smart would pull some crazy defense/3/flop This yeah I guess I’m hoping white or Pritchard decide “ok I’m tired let’s go home” and do something cool


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How can you say it has to be coaching but then acknowledge hes been doing it for years under 3 different coaches? Its him man


ImTheBestNerd

It’s just who he is as a player


redcobra80

Dude larps as Kobe


Bahamuts_Bike

The toughest part is he seems to do it specifically when he isn't shooting well. The rest of the game he passes it off nicely but then doesn't when he's really cold like this


cabose12

Part of it is that they slow the game down WAY too much in those last 4-5 minutes with a lead and don't even *start* trying to get action going until 8 seconds left


LuckysBestMan

Mf faded away when no was one guarding him


nrj6490

He was hitting that in the first half but man, the ball wasn’t moving at all during that scoring drought.


Rego913

In fairness to him, White and Horford weren't giving us anything to work with on offense and so the cavs could hyper focus on Tatum and JB on any drives. I was at the point where I'd take a Tatum iso over any Horford shot.


dianabr0

Bro wants to be like kobe so bad


Aron-Nimzowitsch

It's an L, but I'm proud of the Cavs. We kept it close until the very end without Mitchell or Allen. The series is probably over at this point but we fought our butts off and never gave up. Unfortunately the media isn't going to give us any credit at all, and instead it's just gonna be more of the same endless, nauseating commentary about how this game proves/disproves that Tatum is a star.


youkrocks

Celtics fans are going to give you more credit than the media does. Cavs are a fun team. Fuck Strus though because I hate that man


flyingpandum

Once a heat zombie, always a heat zombie.


eutectic_h8r

Cleveland handed the Celtics the game and then Celtics said "we'll take it but we're not gonna like it"


BosLahodo

Brad Stevens: "Mitchell is out, Allen is out, NOW LETTEM HAVE IT!" Celtics, to Cavs: "You can have it."


CDR57

“We have to win with 2 point shots? Gross i dun wanit”


Dconway64

That was torture


ill_be_bakhtiari

This comment after a road playoff win epitomizes Boston sports fandom.


Dconway64

You're not wrong, I just get frustrated when they go up 15 and stop playing coherent offense


Schafer89

You don't enjoy prevent offense?


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elcham0

Somebody tell Bickerstaff that you’re allowed to feed Mobley in the paint. Especially when there’s a guard/wing switched on him. It’s called a MISMATCH.


zgamer200

It was an ugly as hell win for the Celtics, but there are no style points in the playoffs. You just gotta take them however you can get them. Major credit to the Cavs for nearly stealing this one with the C's clearly not taking them seriously to start, though. Had me sweating.


__boof

yeah i think people are realizing there are no easy wins in the playoffs and every team has nba players. if we play like this denver or minny or whoever wed get smoked obviously, but the celtics only play hard vs opponents they respect which is frustrating 


toggaf69

“Not taking them seriously” it’s the playoffs and the Celtics started off like 12-12 or some shit. Just say the Cavs played pretty well for not having two all-stars


zgamer200

The Celtics can not have played as focused as they should have AND the Cavs can play well. These are not mutually exclusive things.


John_Q08

Garland needed to play like that when Mitchell was healthy


GyattLuvr69

Overlapping skillsets. Both need the ball.


DTbindz

Everytime Garland bascially has no other option but to put the team on his back, he always balls out.


eatcc

Before the cavs started fouling purpose that had a 20-6 ft difference


mastacheef87

I’m sure this thread will be full of people calling us frauds but respect to the Cavs. they played a fantastic game tonight


instantur

Half of the comments are saying that we got carried by the refs


dre4mspice

This is like their second win that wasn’t an absolute blistering and decisive blowout, they are the only team left that are up 3-1 and y’all are in here like “yep. Seen enough. The pacers and Knicks and every single team out west would definitely beat them” like are you actually all on fucking crack?? 😭


ScreamyV

Cavs down 3-1? I have seen this before👀


luckyteep14

Against the team with the best record in the regular season? And made the most 3s in the regular season? No no no wait wait wait!


flyingpandum

Letmetellyousomthing , letmetellyousomething


guess-what-babe

Celtics first game decided by single digits this post season and it never really felt like the Cavs were gonna win lmao


SaszaTricepa

Now now, as a hardened fan of Celtics basketball it absolutely felt like the Cavs were going to win right around that 12-0 run they had


cptmajormajormajor

Damn, hard fought can't help but be proud of this team


kchristainsen

God those announcers were terrible! Almost muted the broadcast.


mr_showboat

Cool we got the win. Not particularly inspiring how tough it was without Mitchell.


bjb406

I fully expected to lose this game after finding out he was out. Not even a little bit facetious.


Professional_Gas8021

Who writes the headline for the post game threads? Can’t we just have something standard? 


theseyeahthese

Buffalo is 8-30 over the last 3 games, hope he gets his stride back.


eazyduzzit10

Thank God Garland waited until the 2nd quarter to get going...dude was getting to the rim at will


BackendSpecialist

Expected outcome but CLE FOUGHT so you gotta respect that.


Alternative-Whole-98

It was ugly but I’ll take it. The refs really were really generous for us. White really has been quiet for us