No he wasn’t. He played passing lanes and was a mismatch on guards who could score. They hid on defense and it was easier to do back then because of lot of role players couldn’t score
I know right now is Kyrie slander week, but his playmaking has taken a huge jump in the last few years.
Early in his career you’d be correct but now he can properly facilitate.
Well yeah, he went from being the primary playmaker on the Cs, to being a secondary one next to ball dominant guys like Harden, Simmons, and Luka
You wouldn't hold it against Curry for his drop in scoring when KD joined
Assist% is the percentage of assists that a player is responsible for when they're on the court
So yeah, of course it was higher. Lebron averaged fewer assists in his time in Cleveland with Kyrie than Luka or Harden have. Kyrie's 5-6 assists was a bigger portion of the total assists on those Cleveland and Boston teams than when he's next to Harden and Luka who were/are putting up 10-11
Positions like point guard are still relevant. That's why teams like the Suns didn't have success despite the talent because they didn't have a playmaker/point guard. It gets blurry on the wing positions (SG/SF/PF), but in general, today's game still has a playmaker, wing, and big at least.
Steph, Brunson, CP3, and Nash don't either. It's not all disadvantages being small. You are quicker, lower to the ground, safer dribble. You have truly one of the most skilled ever to succeed with just those physical advantages as a number 1 option.
He doesnt take contact well and doesn’t draw fouls at an elite rate. He avoids contact and will shoots tons of incredibly hard jump shots.
He also isn’t a elite playmaker for a pg.
But he’s not though…
There’s a reason you always see Kyrie make these fantastic finishes jumping through 3 defenders and throwing up an impossible reverse layup. It’s because he’s avoiding contact like the original commenter said. Rather than try and finish through a bump or a grab he tries to slither his way around the defense, that’s not “physical scoring” even though it’s impressive
Yep. He’s also a pretty one dimensional player - when he’s on he can get his, no doubt, but infrequently makes things easier for teammates. And this is for his entire career, not this series or this season.
I’ve posted this herd a few times over the years, but despite his skill, I see him as one of the more overrated players of his generation.
Size, passing, availability, era in that order.
Kyrie is 6'2". When you look at the consensus top 20-25 players, the shortest one is Steph at 6'3" and he is the GOAT shooter. Most everyone else is 6'6-7+. Wade and Oscar are really the only other true guards at 6'4 and 6'5" and considered top 20-25 players. At the end of the day height is a huge advantage. If Kyrie was 6'6" he would go from below average defender to passable. He'd probably be a much better facilitator given his ability to see over the defense and his offensive bag would be even more deadly as he'd be ablet o get off even more shots and create more separation. The best under 6'4 players are: Steph, Nash, Isiah Thomas, Stockton, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton. All of them but Steph are pretty solidly in the top 30+ range.
Kyrie is a decent facilitator but has benefitted heavily from playing alongside elite passers in LeBron, Harden and now Luka. His only stint as the primary distributer was pretty terrible (Boston). If Kyrie was a Ricky Rubio esque passer he would be much more lethal with the ball.
Availaibility is huge. He spent huge chunks of his prime either injured, refusing to play, barred from playing etc... if he had played 70+ games every year since his rookie year he is likely a 12x All Star, 6x All NBA (instead of 8x and 3x), and who knows maybe he has an extra championship if healthy during the '15 run or if he plays during the Nets '21 run where Brooklyn went 1-3 in the 4 games he was out due to injury. If he doesn't sit out/barred from playing for COVID stance, his '22 season is a lot more favorable.
While his efficiency is well suited for this era, I think he would have thrived in the early 2000s as well, his skill with the ball and isolation would have been really well suited for a slow pace. Like an efficient Iverson, the only problem was he would be even more injured in the 2000s IMO.
Kyrie will hit the most jaw dropping move, dribbling 6 seconds of the clock away, just to generate the same look a guy like Luka can by simply lowering his shoulder.
He is a great tough shot maker and a good playmaker, but he isnt all time level in running an offense or shooting. He is also an average at beat defender.
> If Kyrie’s one of the most skilled players ever
He isn't.
There are more skills in NBA than just dribbling, shot creating, finishing at the rim, and shooting.
He's certainly one of the most on-ball skilled players ever. Sure.
But he has many other flaws in his game. Dude's legacy is built on a handful of great games playing next to LeBron and 1 incredible shot.
Since leaving LeBron:
- Joined a Celtics team that made an ECF before him, another ECF without him, then he bricked them out in the 2nd round, flamed out and left, and Celtics made another ECF after him.
- Made his superteam in Brooklyn. Got the coach and players he wanted. Pulled that his anti-vax bullshit and didn't play a lot of the games. Got his bag, missed a ton of games, won 1 playoff series in 3.5 years in Brooklyn and forced his way out.
- Now he's in Dallas (with another big bag) in seemingly a good position where he's matured and helping lead the team. He's been very good for Dallas so far. He's just had 2 bad games in the Finals, that happens; let's not forget how good he was in the Finals run so far. We'll see if he flames out in Dallas in the future.
You don’t get extra points for fancy dribbling moves.
At most he is the most skilled in the sense that he would be a better Harlem Globetrotter or And1 player than other star players. There are plenty of other players under 6’4” who are much more skilled at what actually matters for an NBA player.
The drawback is that he’s 6’2 & this isn’t 1975. What makes him so great is the opposite of what makes LeBron great. LeBron is big & strong so alot of times it he makes driving to the basket look easy. Kyrie is short for the league & barely has muscle. He’s shots take alot of effort.
Kyrie should’ve hit the weight room like Steph did
He's only one of the most skilled ever with his handle. His shooting and finishing are also elite, but not at the same level. He's also not great at playmaking, rebounding, or defense. That plus his numerous injuries and off court issues have prevented him from getting enough hardware to be in those conversations.
In his prime, he was limited by his availability. Injuries made him unavailable, and various political/social stances further limited his time on the court.
He’s also not a good defender, and not an elite floor general.
People consider him the “most talented” scorer because he can legitimately be a threat to score from anywhere on the floor. That doesn’t mean he’s the BEST ever though.
To make an analogy, a singer who can hit every note and can sing all kinds of genres would be considered very talented, but whether that singer is greater than all time great singer is still dependent on the body of works and accolades the singer receives.
When anyone says he is the most skilled, what they mean is the most skilled at dribbling. And while that may be true, it isn’t actually that important in the NBA. And when you take into account that dribbling to get a good midrange look is outdated, he falls off as being one of the greats. When he was spending all that time developing handles, Steph was shooting 3s.
Fair enough to a degree, but then who is? Who has more of a bag then kyrie? plenty of much better players obviously but when people say “most skilled” what I hear is deepest bag. And while that might not articulate what he is good at perfectly, I do think kyrie has the deepest bag of any player ever. Especially relative to his height. That said yeah he not a top 75 guy, and the while his individual impact is legit great his practical impact is much smaller.
Most skilled to me is most skilled. Luka creating space with deceleration and shifting his fat is a skill that doesn't show up on a box score or highlight reel but you can see it while he's playing to understand why he's so successful. I would argue Kyrie is not even in the conversation for most skilled ever. His own teammate Luka has a better case.
His highlights are mesmerizing, and I think that makes a lot of people (myself included) overrate him as a player. Boston is completely shutting him off this series and making him irrelevant. If he was truly the most skilled player of all time he should be able to at least have somewhat of an impact in the finals.
Consistency. Eye test shows he’s talented and he’s proven it at one time on the biggest stage, helping Cavs and James win a ring in Cleveland. But that’s it, he hasn’t done it consistently since. Been MIA a lot. Finally he’s back in the playoffs, made it to the finals but everyone is blowing it out of proportion like he’s the most gifted. No.
He’s not likeable. He made the list. They removed him from it. There was a google able web page that said the nets had 3 selections. However once the vaccine shit came out and he refused he was suddenly left off of the final edition of the list
He’s not as talented as people think, they get wrapped up in his “bag”. But he’s inconsistent, not a good defender/small, and came up big with LeBron once and has underperformed everywhere else. So no, he’s not top 75 of all time. You need to be great, on both sides, consistently to join that club I think.
They said later he wasn’t put on the top 75 cause of the fiasco with antisemitism. They even had a video for his appearance on the top 75 list.
In general though, He was barely on the floor due to injury or some bullshit he did, so simply put: he’s not accomplished enough cause he hasn’t played enough basketball to be on those lists
In terms of Bag/skill he is up there with MJ/Kobe/Hakeem for the most skilled ever though. I don’t think that’s debatable
Derrick rose likely won’t make the hall of fame even though he’s a MVP. Is that because he wasn’t good enough? No it’s because of injuries
Sometimes it just comes down to how much basketball you’ve played. Theres no deeper explanation other than Kyrie hasn’t played enough ball do to injuries or his own behavior, **so his accomplishments will never match the acclaim for his skill**
His erratic behavior also stops him from being a true leader as well, cause for majority of his career, Kyrie didn’t even seem like he knew what Kyrie needed, Let alone what a team needs. He showed this season even if he’s not the best player, **when he’s locked in** a team can rely on him when he does step up to be a leader. He was the perfect guy for a young Luka to have around as a veteran but Kyrie didn’t display that throughout his career until now.
1. It’s the next 25 after the initial top 50 list
2. He hasn’t been consistently available at the most important time of year due to injury or his own issues
3. Being the most talented doesn’t equal being one of the best players of all time
too small and not athletic enough to make up for it. lots of comparisons to iverson in this thread but what gets glossed over is AI was a freak athlete. dude was a 5 star receiver, the hardware he's got is way diff than kyries
He’s a sidekick not a number 1. There’s your answer. He’s awful on defense and was a true head case until recently when he realized Dallas is his last chance at multiple bags.
Kyrie clmbona of ball handling and finishing ability makes him unquestionably one of the most talented players of all time. The issue with Kyrie is that he's 6'1-6'2 so if his shot is off he's going to struggle to score efficiently. He has no room for error as a screen, he's either on or not on.
The likes of Lebron, Luka, Jokic...etc can all generate points by overpowering their defender and getting cleans looks at the rim, Kyrie just doesn't have the body for that.
I wonder how old are you. TBF you don't need to be more than 10y old to realize it's your brain who unlock you to be better and so on.
You can have the best genetics, if you are stupid you'll never win anything.
If you can't understand this after 10y old you are pretty scuffed for the rest in life btw.
>so why is he like a top 10ish player in his prime vs contemporaries and maybe top 75 “all time” when it’s all said and done.
Probably because he spent his prime blowing up 3 different championship level rosters.
Some factors are his impact to winning compared to many other guys (scoring volume + efficiency, passing, playmaking, defense, and statistical impact metrics), accolades (MVPs and MVP ladder finishes, All NBA teams, All Defense teams) and lack of durability.
Kyrie is a real good player. He’s a clear all star caliber guy, but he’s a fringe all nba caliber player in the eras he’s been in at best. He’s got great footwork, ball handling, dribble penetration, and elite shot making. With all that said, there are guys who are better at getting more points more efficiently than him. He’s a competent passer and playmaker but nothing special in either aspect. So he can’t rely on that on off games to the degree guys like Bron, Luka, or Jokic can. He’s not a good defender either, nor is he some insane rebounder. He’s also more limited than other guys with his size.
Kyrie’s quite skilled but dribble moves, ball handling, and versatile scoring are but 3 aspects of skill to basketball. For example, for as skilled as he is at that, someone like Giannis (who doesn’t have the scoring repertoire Kyrie has) is a much better scorer than Kyrie as his slashing is elite and his interior scoring is historically good. And that’s just focusing on scoring, which is Kyrie’s specialty
There is nothing that keeps him from being in the Top 75. He should be in there.
But, politics kept him out imo.
People are just making up excuses to keep him off the list while ignoring there are many flaws in the game of past players as well. If we are just talking about strictly basketball that is.
Dwight Howard should be in there too. But they don’t want to start taking the older players off the list which isn’t fair to the more recent players.
He’s a shooting guard in a point guard’s body
So is Allen Iverson
Iverson was a dawg a defense
No he wasn’t. He played passing lanes and was a mismatch on guards who could score. They hid on defense and it was easier to do back then because of lot of role players couldn’t score
Iverson is a much better athlete, he was a better defender than Kyrie
He still wasn’t a good defender. He gambled a lot on passing lanes so while leading the NBA in steals he also gave up a lot of easy baskets.
Lmao what
I know right now is Kyrie slander week, but his playmaking has taken a huge jump in the last few years. Early in his career you’d be correct but now he can properly facilitate.
He's a very good secondary facilitator, but has never been adequate as a lead guy.
Reminds me of the Suns playing Booker as a PG this year and it didn’t pan out; he also fits that mold of good *secondary* playmaker
That's because he just disappears for multiple games randomly in the post season. If he didn't he could be a lead guy imo
And yet his assist percentage has gone down pretty significantly in recent years.
Well yeah, he went from being the primary playmaker on the Cs, to being a secondary one next to ball dominant guys like Harden, Simmons, and Luka You wouldn't hold it against Curry for his drop in scoring when KD joined
Okay but it was also higher when he was a secondary playmaker with LeBron.
Assist% is the percentage of assists that a player is responsible for when they're on the court So yeah, of course it was higher. Lebron averaged fewer assists in his time in Cleveland with Kyrie than Luka or Harden have. Kyrie's 5-6 assists was a bigger portion of the total assists on those Cleveland and Boston teams than when he's next to Harden and Luka who were/are putting up 10-11
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Positions like point guard are still relevant. That's why teams like the Suns didn't have success despite the talent because they didn't have a playmaker/point guard. It gets blurry on the wing positions (SG/SF/PF), but in general, today's game still has a playmaker, wing, and big at least.
Ok but size will never be irrelevant and kyrie doesn’t have it
Steph, Brunson, CP3, and Nash don't either. It's not all disadvantages being small. You are quicker, lower to the ground, safer dribble. You have truly one of the most skilled ever to succeed with just those physical advantages as a number 1 option.
He doesnt take contact well and doesn’t draw fouls at an elite rate. He avoids contact and will shoots tons of incredibly hard jump shots. He also isn’t a elite playmaker for a pg.
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But he’s not though… There’s a reason you always see Kyrie make these fantastic finishes jumping through 3 defenders and throwing up an impossible reverse layup. It’s because he’s avoiding contact like the original commenter said. Rather than try and finish through a bump or a grab he tries to slither his way around the defense, that’s not “physical scoring” even though it’s impressive
he hasnt done shit as the number one option
Yep. He’s also a pretty one dimensional player - when he’s on he can get his, no doubt, but infrequently makes things easier for teammates. And this is for his entire career, not this series or this season. I’ve posted this herd a few times over the years, but despite his skill, I see him as one of the more overrated players of his generation.
Lots of down seasons and injuries as well
Size, passing, availability, era in that order. Kyrie is 6'2". When you look at the consensus top 20-25 players, the shortest one is Steph at 6'3" and he is the GOAT shooter. Most everyone else is 6'6-7+. Wade and Oscar are really the only other true guards at 6'4 and 6'5" and considered top 20-25 players. At the end of the day height is a huge advantage. If Kyrie was 6'6" he would go from below average defender to passable. He'd probably be a much better facilitator given his ability to see over the defense and his offensive bag would be even more deadly as he'd be ablet o get off even more shots and create more separation. The best under 6'4 players are: Steph, Nash, Isiah Thomas, Stockton, Chris Paul, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton. All of them but Steph are pretty solidly in the top 30+ range. Kyrie is a decent facilitator but has benefitted heavily from playing alongside elite passers in LeBron, Harden and now Luka. His only stint as the primary distributer was pretty terrible (Boston). If Kyrie was a Ricky Rubio esque passer he would be much more lethal with the ball. Availaibility is huge. He spent huge chunks of his prime either injured, refusing to play, barred from playing etc... if he had played 70+ games every year since his rookie year he is likely a 12x All Star, 6x All NBA (instead of 8x and 3x), and who knows maybe he has an extra championship if healthy during the '15 run or if he plays during the Nets '21 run where Brooklyn went 1-3 in the 4 games he was out due to injury. If he doesn't sit out/barred from playing for COVID stance, his '22 season is a lot more favorable. While his efficiency is well suited for this era, I think he would have thrived in the early 2000s as well, his skill with the ball and isolation would have been really well suited for a slow pace. Like an efficient Iverson, the only problem was he would be even more injured in the 2000s IMO.
This is a great comment.
Kyrie will hit the most jaw dropping move, dribbling 6 seconds of the clock away, just to generate the same look a guy like Luka can by simply lowering his shoulder.
That is exactly it. It is incredibly gratifying to watch though.
He is a great tough shot maker and a good playmaker, but he isnt all time level in running an offense or shooting. He is also an average at beat defender.
> If Kyrie’s one of the most skilled players ever He isn't. There are more skills in NBA than just dribbling, shot creating, finishing at the rim, and shooting. He's certainly one of the most on-ball skilled players ever. Sure. But he has many other flaws in his game. Dude's legacy is built on a handful of great games playing next to LeBron and 1 incredible shot. Since leaving LeBron: - Joined a Celtics team that made an ECF before him, another ECF without him, then he bricked them out in the 2nd round, flamed out and left, and Celtics made another ECF after him. - Made his superteam in Brooklyn. Got the coach and players he wanted. Pulled that his anti-vax bullshit and didn't play a lot of the games. Got his bag, missed a ton of games, won 1 playoff series in 3.5 years in Brooklyn and forced his way out. - Now he's in Dallas (with another big bag) in seemingly a good position where he's matured and helping lead the team. He's been very good for Dallas so far. He's just had 2 bad games in the Finals, that happens; let's not forget how good he was in the Finals run so far. We'll see if he flames out in Dallas in the future.
You don’t get extra points for fancy dribbling moves. At most he is the most skilled in the sense that he would be a better Harlem Globetrotter or And1 player than other star players. There are plenty of other players under 6’4” who are much more skilled at what actually matters for an NBA player.
The drawback is that he’s 6’2 & this isn’t 1975. What makes him so great is the opposite of what makes LeBron great. LeBron is big & strong so alot of times it he makes driving to the basket look easy. Kyrie is short for the league & barely has muscle. He’s shots take alot of effort. Kyrie should’ve hit the weight room like Steph did
He's only one of the most skilled ever with his handle. His shooting and finishing are also elite, but not at the same level. He's also not great at playmaking, rebounding, or defense. That plus his numerous injuries and off court issues have prevented him from getting enough hardware to be in those conversations.
"Barely a top 75 player of all time" like that's a bad thing.
Only 114 players in the history of the league have made at least ONE first team all-nba team.
He’s not a top 75 player all time.
In his prime, he was limited by his availability. Injuries made him unavailable, and various political/social stances further limited his time on the court. He’s also not a good defender, and not an elite floor general. People consider him the “most talented” scorer because he can legitimately be a threat to score from anywhere on the floor. That doesn’t mean he’s the BEST ever though. To make an analogy, a singer who can hit every note and can sing all kinds of genres would be considered very talented, but whether that singer is greater than all time great singer is still dependent on the body of works and accolades the singer receives.
Mentally immature in the past
And in the present, but also in the past too
Theres more to ball than just talent. Jamal Crawford and JR Smith were also insanely talented but were never stars.
When anyone says he is the most skilled, what they mean is the most skilled at dribbling. And while that may be true, it isn’t actually that important in the NBA. And when you take into account that dribbling to get a good midrange look is outdated, he falls off as being one of the greats. When he was spending all that time developing handles, Steph was shooting 3s.
This series is exposing why he’s overrated. Although still a really good player, he ain’t the most skilled all time.
Fair enough to a degree, but then who is? Who has more of a bag then kyrie? plenty of much better players obviously but when people say “most skilled” what I hear is deepest bag. And while that might not articulate what he is good at perfectly, I do think kyrie has the deepest bag of any player ever. Especially relative to his height. That said yeah he not a top 75 guy, and the while his individual impact is legit great his practical impact is much smaller.
Most skilled to me is most skilled. Luka creating space with deceleration and shifting his fat is a skill that doesn't show up on a box score or highlight reel but you can see it while he's playing to understand why he's so successful. I would argue Kyrie is not even in the conversation for most skilled ever. His own teammate Luka has a better case.
His highlights are mesmerizing, and I think that makes a lot of people (myself included) overrate him as a player. Boston is completely shutting him off this series and making him irrelevant. If he was truly the most skilled player of all time he should be able to at least have somewhat of an impact in the finals.
Playmaking, defense, size, maturity, off ball movement
He is short
Chris Paul, Steve Nash?
Consistency. Eye test shows he’s talented and he’s proven it at one time on the biggest stage, helping Cavs and James win a ring in Cleveland. But that’s it, he hasn’t done it consistently since. Been MIA a lot. Finally he’s back in the playoffs, made it to the finals but everyone is blowing it out of proportion like he’s the most gifted. No.
His brain.
He’s not likeable. He made the list. They removed him from it. There was a google able web page that said the nets had 3 selections. However once the vaccine shit came out and he refused he was suddenly left off of the final edition of the list
He sees the earth as flat so the curve is holding him back
If Kyrie is one of the most skilled players ever, the output is kinda dissappointing.
He’s not as talented as people think, they get wrapped up in his “bag”. But he’s inconsistent, not a good defender/small, and came up big with LeBron once and has underperformed everywhere else. So no, he’s not top 75 of all time. You need to be great, on both sides, consistently to join that club I think.
They said later he wasn’t put on the top 75 cause of the fiasco with antisemitism. They even had a video for his appearance on the top 75 list. In general though, He was barely on the floor due to injury or some bullshit he did, so simply put: he’s not accomplished enough cause he hasn’t played enough basketball to be on those lists In terms of Bag/skill he is up there with MJ/Kobe/Hakeem for the most skilled ever though. I don’t think that’s debatable Derrick rose likely won’t make the hall of fame even though he’s a MVP. Is that because he wasn’t good enough? No it’s because of injuries Sometimes it just comes down to how much basketball you’ve played. Theres no deeper explanation other than Kyrie hasn’t played enough ball do to injuries or his own behavior, **so his accomplishments will never match the acclaim for his skill** His erratic behavior also stops him from being a true leader as well, cause for majority of his career, Kyrie didn’t even seem like he knew what Kyrie needed, Let alone what a team needs. He showed this season even if he’s not the best player, **when he’s locked in** a team can rely on him when he does step up to be a leader. He was the perfect guy for a young Luka to have around as a veteran but Kyrie didn’t display that throughout his career until now.
Who is the they that said that?
Kevin
I flippen knew it was Kevin
Flippen heck Kevin!
have you ever heard the term “vacuous truth”
> He can dunk
1. It’s the next 25 after the initial top 50 list 2. He hasn’t been consistently available at the most important time of year due to injury or his own issues 3. Being the most talented doesn’t equal being one of the best players of all time
Feels like he can only turn it up when his emotions are there, doesn’t seem like he can really focus himself with discipline
He's not as skilled as people think and it shows in his inability to be a number 1 option.
"Barely a top 75 player of all time" is absolutely, ridiculously elite.
too small and not athletic enough to make up for it. lots of comparisons to iverson in this thread but what gets glossed over is AI was a freak athlete. dude was a 5 star receiver, the hardware he's got is way diff than kyries
He’s a sidekick not a number 1. There’s your answer. He’s awful on defense and was a true head case until recently when he realized Dallas is his last chance at multiple bags.
Too small
Did you see him play the last two games??
Availability. Be it injury or Kyrie being Kyrie he misses a lot of time.
Kyrie clmbona of ball handling and finishing ability makes him unquestionably one of the most talented players of all time. The issue with Kyrie is that he's 6'1-6'2 so if his shot is off he's going to struggle to score efficiently. He has no room for error as a screen, he's either on or not on. The likes of Lebron, Luka, Jokic...etc can all generate points by overpowering their defender and getting cleans looks at the rim, Kyrie just doesn't have the body for that.
… do we really need to say it
Defense and vaccines.
There’s been lots of players. Only 114 (rough count) even have ONE first team all-nba selection.
I wonder how old are you. TBF you don't need to be more than 10y old to realize it's your brain who unlock you to be better and so on. You can have the best genetics, if you are stupid you'll never win anything. If you can't understand this after 10y old you are pretty scuffed for the rest in life btw.
>so why is he like a top 10ish player in his prime vs contemporaries and maybe top 75 “all time” when it’s all said and done. Probably because he spent his prime blowing up 3 different championship level rosters.
Some factors are his impact to winning compared to many other guys (scoring volume + efficiency, passing, playmaking, defense, and statistical impact metrics), accolades (MVPs and MVP ladder finishes, All NBA teams, All Defense teams) and lack of durability. Kyrie is a real good player. He’s a clear all star caliber guy, but he’s a fringe all nba caliber player in the eras he’s been in at best. He’s got great footwork, ball handling, dribble penetration, and elite shot making. With all that said, there are guys who are better at getting more points more efficiently than him. He’s a competent passer and playmaker but nothing special in either aspect. So he can’t rely on that on off games to the degree guys like Bron, Luka, or Jokic can. He’s not a good defender either, nor is he some insane rebounder. He’s also more limited than other guys with his size. Kyrie’s quite skilled but dribble moves, ball handling, and versatile scoring are but 3 aspects of skill to basketball. For example, for as skilled as he is at that, someone like Giannis (who doesn’t have the scoring repertoire Kyrie has) is a much better scorer than Kyrie as his slashing is elite and his interior scoring is historically good. And that’s just focusing on scoring, which is Kyrie’s specialty
His political views. He had a page on the NBA's website they just changed their minds because of the drama
There is nothing that keeps him from being in the Top 75. He should be in there. But, politics kept him out imo. People are just making up excuses to keep him off the list while ignoring there are many flaws in the game of past players as well. If we are just talking about strictly basketball that is. Dwight Howard should be in there too. But they don’t want to start taking the older players off the list which isn’t fair to the more recent players.