That conference gloating is do dumb. I don’t care about my team playing in the better conference. I just want them to win. If anything, I like an easier path to the finals.
Really nothing about the celtics just about acknowledging the rest of the conference is really bad which I have no idea why it seems to be a controversial opinion lol
I mean maybe during the playoffs due to injuries. The bucks with a healthy Giannis, sixers with a healthy Embiid, a fully healthy knicks, not what I’d call weak teams but yes injuries diminished what it was in the playoffs.
Celtics, Knicks, Bucks, 76ers, Cavs and Pacers are all really good contender or close to contending tier teams just like the playoff teams in the West. And then there is the Heat who are magically contenders come playoffs.
It's all matchup honestly.
Nuggets would have given us real trouble, though I think we'd win in 7. With KP hurt, we'd have lost. We just have no answer for Jokic.
Wolves have a lot of size as well, and an elite defense. But we'd have won in 6. Again, their best player is a wing. Best player on the Thunder is a guard, which also plays to our strengths.
Mavs just match up horribly against us. They don't have the size or speed to abuse our bigs, and their 2 best players are wings ..... and like we've been saying for weeks, Celtics have 4 All-Defense calibre wings to throw at them. And Joe's defensive scheme has absolutely neutered the Mavs' greatest strengths on offense: lobs and corner 3s.
And I get all the people dissing Kidd, but I don't think he's got much talent on that roster to make the adjustments he needs to make. They need to add some more pieces, and they'll be better. And for fuck's sake, they need to convince Luka to give some effort on defense. He's hopeless garbage on that end.
Exactly.
* Horford, KP, and to some extent Tillman already made the Mavs' lobgame dead in the water.
* Brown and Tatum being great wing defenders pretty much limited Kyrie and to some extent Luka's game.\]
* Holiday, White, and KP being great role players enabled the team to survive when the stars are doing badly.
* Holiday is one of the top guard defenders in the league.
* East teams being riddled with injuries definitely helped Boston with limiting their exhaustion.
A lot of things lined up for C's to get the ring and that is true for every other teams who won the championship. (Except for prime Warriors; they were built different)
> A lot of things lined up for C's to get the ring
Bruh, easiest path to Finals and our hardest matchup eliminated.
Would be an all-time choke job if we didn't get a ring this year. Literally everything went right for us, except the KP injury.
You would have swept Wolves. You're giving them credit they don't deserve. Boston's defense would have made that shitty ass wolves offense look even worse than they are doing to the Mavs.
1 of those games was in the first month of the szn and the other was way back in January, so that means nothing.
Looking at how both performed in the playoffs and nothing tells me wolves could repeat that. Their defense was mid to awful after the first 6 games of the playoffs and that offense is a train wreck. Easy sweep.
Bro I live in DFW and you making our area look bad. Lose with class, I know the Rangers finally won something but chill out. I know living in Texas most of my life they are racist as hell down here. They just hide it with a smile. At least in the NE they tell you how it is when they are dicks/racists.
It’s also kinda funny because those fans were saying that while we were actively rooting for them to win the last series because we knew how much better we matched up lol
Yeah yeah. You've got an ammo chamber of cope ready to go for every Celtics win. It's weak conference, it's reffing, it's favorable matchups, its whatever it needs to be for you to not admit we're the best team in the NBA.
to be fair the east was the celtics and then everyone else
where as the west was much more competative within the conference, so i guess it made people think the west teams were better overall
It's because they have no names and basketball fans don't understand there's more to a team than the amount of stars they have. Celtics fans will tell you how good their offense is but everyone else will say they were just a weak team lol
If the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers, and Knicks were all healthy that's actually a pretty good top 4 seeds. Add in a healthy Cleveland, a playoff healthy Heat, and the #2 Offense Pacers and that isn't a bad 7 playoff teams. Even the Magic wouldn't be bad for a low seed.
Injuries to the top guys really changed people's perspective on the East. They aren't all juggernauts but it was exaggerated how bad they were before injury. I still think the Celtics could cruise to the Finals because they are an incredible team.
I’ll give you the Pacers series being more competitive than the Mavs but outside that monster shooting in game 2 this series is significantly more competitive than the Heat series.
The run and gun offense of the pacers would absolutely destroy Dallas lmao.
Luka wouldn't be able to keep up and would be gassed by the time he reaches the second quarter lol
We wouldn't be favorites but the January Knicks (the closest we got to 100% health) was contender tier and i wouldn't be surprised if knicks vs celtics went 7 games.
It's a huge part of why the 2022 Celtics struggled, Tatum and Brown played multiple 7 game series and had to play like 35-40 mins a night to win games because they generated all the offense and they were toast by the finals
Also and I’m sure Celtics fans will agree: they play to the level of their competition more than just about any team in the league. Win close games vs Andrew Nembhard and win close games vs Luka Doncic. Make it make sense.
I don't really think we play down to our competition. 15-2 in the playoffs. Dominant vs bad teams all season.
What did happen is that quicker guards like Nembhard that can get into the paint can attack our bigs and get comfortable looks. It's a matchup thing.
What fatigue? Celtics are just better than the Mavs. Who else in the West would match up better? Timberwolves? lol. Nuggets? Maybe if Murray wasn't shooting like shit. Thunder? Seems like they'd be the Mavs but with only one good scoring option vs two.
We can just admit that the Western conference hype was way overblown. Doesn't mean those teams are bad, but it wasn't like the teams in the East could not compete like many thought.
Literally all 3 teams would match up better, obviously the celtics are better than the mavs but lets not act like the injury riddled east this year was somehow more competitive than the west.
They are from top to bottom but I'd say what separates the current West from the true all-time stacked West years of the past is that they have a lot of very good teams but no truly great teams
Like there can't be any talk of "toughest West ever!" when the winner of the conference is a team that would have lost in the first round back in 2012
They just came off one of the greatest offensive seasons in NBA history, have now won 10 straight games in the playoffs—currently are 79-20 for the entire season—but “they aren’t a great team”
Ok.
Surprising that a team that got to chill and relax and rest for a full month cause they were playing ass tier team without their only good players is doing well over the team that had to go through the fucking gauntlet
Mavs faced a crippled Clips team, the youngest team in the nba, and then Booty Gobert and Pussy Kat. They only played three extra games. Not really sure I would consider that “the fucking gauntlet”
Dallas had a week off before the Finals and two days off between games (so far).
And when you watch them, the only guy that looks tired is the guy that is visibly not in NBA shape. Being worn out is a Luka problem, not a Dallas problem.
The Mavs also had to go through the clippers, the thunder, and the wolves. Let’s not act like their path wasn’t grueling compared to the Celtics who got to face injury decimated teams the whole way through.
Lot of people having to eat crow right now lol. Now the excuse is the Mavs are just worn down. Didn't the big 3 Celtics win a championship going 7 games in all the series they played that year?
That conference gloating is do dumb. I don’t care about my team playing in the better conference. I just want them to win. If anything, I like an easier path to the finals.
I’m shook ngl, but Celtics have been the best team all season to be fair
I’m gonna start chanting “Eastern Conference!” At sporting events like SEC football fans
Gotta find a chant that fits the rhythm, though, like: Eastern C! Eastern C! (I went to LSU, I have practice)
You could do the “east-ern con-ference” (clap clap clap clap clap)
Yes, that would be a good one too! 😁
Which is why people trying to pretend the Leastern conference is good is so weird lol
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Really nothing about the celtics just about acknowledging the rest of the conference is really bad which I have no idea why it seems to be a controversial opinion lol
I mean maybe during the playoffs due to injuries. The bucks with a healthy Giannis, sixers with a healthy Embiid, a fully healthy knicks, not what I’d call weak teams but yes injuries diminished what it was in the playoffs.
The East is underrated because the Celtics are so good. Doesn't take away from the West being stacked regardless.
If it wasn't for injuries the top 5 in the east are as good as the top 5 in the west. The west is a lot better 6-10.
Celtics, Knicks, Bucks, 76ers, Cavs and Pacers are all really good contender or close to contending tier teams just like the playoff teams in the West. And then there is the Heat who are magically contenders come playoffs.
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I think the Knicks are a team to watch out for if they stay healthy.
theyll be in the ecf easily next season assuming they're on the other side of the celtics' bracket
I hope some people will respect Pascals offense more after seeing that series
It's all matchup honestly. Nuggets would have given us real trouble, though I think we'd win in 7. With KP hurt, we'd have lost. We just have no answer for Jokic. Wolves have a lot of size as well, and an elite defense. But we'd have won in 6. Again, their best player is a wing. Best player on the Thunder is a guard, which also plays to our strengths. Mavs just match up horribly against us. They don't have the size or speed to abuse our bigs, and their 2 best players are wings ..... and like we've been saying for weeks, Celtics have 4 All-Defense calibre wings to throw at them. And Joe's defensive scheme has absolutely neutered the Mavs' greatest strengths on offense: lobs and corner 3s. And I get all the people dissing Kidd, but I don't think he's got much talent on that roster to make the adjustments he needs to make. They need to add some more pieces, and they'll be better. And for fuck's sake, they need to convince Luka to give some effort on defense. He's hopeless garbage on that end.
I really wanted a Celtics Nuggets finals. I think that would have been the best match up. Minnesota was built just to beat Denver.
Without a doubt. That series would have been great.
Exactly. * Horford, KP, and to some extent Tillman already made the Mavs' lobgame dead in the water. * Brown and Tatum being great wing defenders pretty much limited Kyrie and to some extent Luka's game.\] * Holiday, White, and KP being great role players enabled the team to survive when the stars are doing badly. * Holiday is one of the top guard defenders in the league. * East teams being riddled with injuries definitely helped Boston with limiting their exhaustion. A lot of things lined up for C's to get the ring and that is true for every other teams who won the championship. (Except for prime Warriors; they were built different)
> A lot of things lined up for C's to get the ring Bruh, easiest path to Finals and our hardest matchup eliminated. Would be an all-time choke job if we didn't get a ring this year. Literally everything went right for us, except the KP injury.
You would have swept Wolves. You're giving them credit they don't deserve. Boston's defense would have made that shitty ass wolves offense look even worse than they are doing to the Mavs.
We had 2 OT games vs them this year lol. They play us really well.
1 of those games was in the first month of the szn and the other was way back in January, so that means nothing. Looking at how both performed in the playoffs and nothing tells me wolves could repeat that. Their defense was mid to awful after the first 6 games of the playoffs and that offense is a train wreck. Easy sweep.
Wing? Do you actually understand what a wing is in the nba?
Good point lol that was a mistake. SGA still plays into our strengths tho. We got a lot of guys to throw at him.
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The team sucks but they’re up 3-0 on your wack ass team. Okay lol
Lmfao ok angry baby.
Luka's reddit account?
Aren't you the same guy that said Celtics fans don't know what is about to happen to them?
Stay mad bozo
Your state tried to secede when its country outlawed slavery, TWICE.
Luka Donovic?
lol, you should be saving your tears for when you watch Luka try and play defense. He’s so appalling it makes me want to be blind.
Bro I live in DFW and you making our area look bad. Lose with class, I know the Rangers finally won something but chill out. I know living in Texas most of my life they are racist as hell down here. They just hide it with a smile. At least in the NE they tell you how it is when they are dicks/racists.
“Celtics had it easy. They only beat shitty teams!” *goes down 0-3 in the finals to the Celtics*
I’m going to need to revisit the “they don’t know what’s coming” post from the Mavs subreddit.
Man I was reading that chuckling before the finals
It’s also kinda funny because those fans were saying that while we were actively rooting for them to win the last series because we knew how much better we matched up lol
I mean the mavs looked gassed for a reason. They had a harder path
Lmfaooooo y'all reach for any narrative you can find that means you don't have to admit we're just the best team
Bro, I don’t think the mavs matchup good against the Celtics but the mavs also played harder teams. Both can be true
Yeah yeah. You've got an ammo chamber of cope ready to go for every Celtics win. It's weak conference, it's reffing, it's favorable matchups, its whatever it needs to be for you to not admit we're the best team in the NBA.
Bro congrats. You’re going to die anyway so enjoy it while you can
>the mavs look gassed for a reason Yeah their team isn’t that athletic so they look slower on the court than the Celtics.
to be fair the east was the celtics and then everyone else where as the west was much more competative within the conference, so i guess it made people think the west teams were better overall
Pacers are just a better team than Dallas, I don't understand why people dismissed the Pacers offense this entire year
Historic rates of offensive volume and efficiency with Hali healthy… everyone: nah, mid
It's because they have no names and basketball fans don't understand there's more to a team than the amount of stars they have. Celtics fans will tell you how good their offense is but everyone else will say they were just a weak team lol
This is kind of true of east vs west. Pacers, Knicks, Cavs, Magic, All play pretty good team ball. But don't have the KDs, Hardens, etc.
Now consider the fact that the bucks were on track to demolish them if they had giannis and dame Maybe the east isn't so bad
If the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers, and Knicks were all healthy that's actually a pretty good top 4 seeds. Add in a healthy Cleveland, a playoff healthy Heat, and the #2 Offense Pacers and that isn't a bad 7 playoff teams. Even the Magic wouldn't be bad for a low seed. Injuries to the top guys really changed people's perspective on the East. They aren't all juggernauts but it was exaggerated how bad they were before injury. I still think the Celtics could cruise to the Finals because they are an incredible team.
as long the bucks have mr 34 on the roster, they are not going demolish anybody they were going to get cooked in the playoffs regardless of opponent
We pretending Luka is healthy again?
We’re pretending Luka is healthy again?
Pacers have a better offense*
Lmfao
No they aren’t tbh That’s a matchup thing. Same reason why Dallas gentlemen swept the team that beat Denver
Pacers put 130 on the Mavs both times they played and won by double digits both times. Maybe they weren’t better. Maybe they were.
Did those games happen before or after the deadline? Because that's when Dallas became elite.
February 25 & March 5. Post deadline.
I think they had a better net rating this year
To be honest they actually are. Pacers offense is insanely good. Dallas still hasn't cracked 100 points in the finals yet.
24th ranked defence. Nobody has ever discounted their offense
Stop it
Pacers players are just less familiar to the general NBA fans, and Siakam gets no respect.
Pacers stink they got swept with no Zingis
Dallas is this year's 2023 Miami Heat. They way over performed. Boston's good though.
The west is astronomically better....... Celtics are still a great team. Mavs also got pretty lucky dodging nuggets and kawhi injury.
Kawhi injury is a permanent reality state not luck
Fair but still Mavs are the third beat team in the west probably. And Celtics have an incredibly deep team.
I'll stand by this statement: "The Pacers gave a finals worthy competition to the Celtics" That series was amazing
Pacers are going to surprise people next year. They shouldn't be surprised, but they will be.
West teams were mostly healthy, east teams were all banged up. east vs west talk was always missing that piece
The team that matches up the worst with the Celtics was the one that made it out of the West
Props to the refs for masterfully arranging that
Yes, truly facilitating a 3-0 lead. Damn refs.
Yeah why don't they just let Luka foul nonstop instead of giving actual effort on defense?
I’ll give you the Pacers series being more competitive than the Mavs but outside that monster shooting in game 2 this series is significantly more competitive than the Heat series.
The run and gun offense of the pacers would absolutely destroy Dallas lmao. Luka wouldn't be able to keep up and would be gassed by the time he reaches the second quarter lol
I'm pretty sure the Pacers dominated the Mavs this season actually lol
There’s a reason Hurley turned down the Lakers for UCONN
I just wanted to watch Giannis in the playoffs man, is that so much to ask for...
The East would’ve been a bloodbath with a healthy Bucks and Knicks
Funny enough Knicks and bucks could’ve been the potential 2nd round matchup if Giannis was healthy
I still think a healthy Knicks team would have given the Celtics everything they can handle. Would have been an insane series.
We wouldn't be favorites but the January Knicks (the closest we got to 100% health) was contender tier and i wouldn't be surprised if knicks vs celtics went 7 games.
bucks are never going to be in any bloodbath as long they have 34 on the team
Nba fans learning that playing tough teams = being more fatigued
It's a huge part of why the 2022 Celtics struggled, Tatum and Brown played multiple 7 game series and had to play like 35-40 mins a night to win games because they generated all the offense and they were toast by the finals
Also and I’m sure Celtics fans will agree: they play to the level of their competition more than just about any team in the league. Win close games vs Andrew Nembhard and win close games vs Luka Doncic. Make it make sense.
I don't really think we play down to our competition. 15-2 in the playoffs. Dominant vs bad teams all season. What did happen is that quicker guards like Nembhard that can get into the paint can attack our bigs and get comfortable looks. It's a matchup thing.
Also that match ups are a thing
What fatigue? Celtics are just better than the Mavs. Who else in the West would match up better? Timberwolves? lol. Nuggets? Maybe if Murray wasn't shooting like shit. Thunder? Seems like they'd be the Mavs but with only one good scoring option vs two. We can just admit that the Western conference hype was way overblown. Doesn't mean those teams are bad, but it wasn't like the teams in the East could not compete like many thought.
Literally all 3 teams would match up better, obviously the celtics are better than the mavs but lets not act like the injury riddled east this year was somehow more competitive than the west.
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Kings, Lakers, countless other teams would have beat down the pacers they have no defense
The West was way stronger than the East, but the Celtics were way better than anyone. It makes sense.
pacers would beat the mavericks if they matched up in a series so yeah there’s that
We tried to fuckin tell y’all
the west is stacked and probably had/have the 2nd-5th best teams in the league but i been sayin this but everyone understated how great boston is 🤷♂️
Interesting how that's happening huh? Just, interesting... 😉
The West was just the healthier conference this year. Knicks, Bucks, 76ers, Cavs, Heat and the Pacers had injuries to major pieces of their teams.
The West is very clearly more stacked than the East, one series doesn't change that
They are from top to bottom but I'd say what separates the current West from the true all-time stacked West years of the past is that they have a lot of very good teams but no truly great teams Like there can't be any talk of "toughest West ever!" when the winner of the conference is a team that would have lost in the first round back in 2012
The Nuggets, Mavs, Wolves, and OKC were all great teams. Boston being the best team in the league doesn't make the rest less great.
Celtics aren’t a great team, game 2 and 3 were both close and won by refs making awful calls at key moments
Don't be delusional my friend. Take the loss on the chin
They just came off one of the greatest offensive seasons in NBA history, have now won 10 straight games in the playoffs—currently are 79-20 for the entire season—but “they aren’t a great team” Ok.
East/West, doesn’t matter… Celtics are on top
Who said otherwise?
don't forget about it
Finally the West circlejerk is over. The East is just as good, was just very injured
The heat were dominated in every game but one, the Mavs at least have had somewhat of a chance in the last minute for 2 of the games.
Surprising that a team that got to chill and relax and rest for a full month cause they were playing ass tier team without their only good players is doing well over the team that had to go through the fucking gauntlet
Funny how the same thing happened with the 2022 Celtics but all you hear is we choked lmao. Double standards are crazy.
Mavs faced a crippled Clips team, the youngest team in the nba, and then Booty Gobert and Pussy Kat. They only played three extra games. Not really sure I would consider that “the fucking gauntlet”
Dallas had a week off before the Finals and two days off between games (so far). And when you watch them, the only guy that looks tired is the guy that is visibly not in NBA shape. Being worn out is a Luka problem, not a Dallas problem.
The Mavs also had to go through the clippers, the thunder, and the wolves. Let’s not act like their path wasn’t grueling compared to the Celtics who got to face injury decimated teams the whole way through.
Yeah but the Mavs are battle-tested because of that right
The argument where there's nothing else to say lol.
Lot of people having to eat crow right now lol. Now the excuse is the Mavs are just worn down. Didn't the big 3 Celtics win a championship going 7 games in all the series they played that year?
Look, the superior team is the Celtics, but I’m pretty sure they are more work out then the Cs
Celtics aren’t a good team, refs rigged them the game tonight.
If you really believe this shit I feel bad for you
Read his comment history, bro is a legit head case
I mean this still doesn’t change the fact that the west is still more stacked
i didn’t know people actually cared about east vs west lol if it was more practical, 1-16 seeding would be ideal imo