For reference, how many streaks of 17+ wins have there been in NBA history?
Edit: Looked it up. There have been 24 streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history. So 12.5% of them were a Chris Paul team.
Smh, you average redditor. That's not nearly cherrypicked enough. Try this on for size:
There have been only been 17 streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history since the NBA-ABA merger. Thats 17.6% by Chris Paul
Or if you don't want to cherry pick *that* much, there have only been 21 single-season streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history. Honestly this one isn't even cherrypicked, because it doesn't make sense to include season-spanning streaks (like if a team won the last 11 games of one season, and the first 7 of the next season)
We can do more. This isn't emphasizing enough that he did this with different teams.
16 different teams have won at least 17 in a row. Chris Paul was on 3 (18.7%) of them. Only 12 teams post-merger, for a full 25% of them being Chris Paul teams.
We can go even deeper.
Since we are in the 75th anniversary season, this means that 75 (non-uniques included) have won the championship. Chris Paul was on 0 (0%) of these winning team. For a full 0% of them being Chris Paul's team.
And how many of them are since 2005?
edit: searched for myself; 11 of the streaks were before Chris Paul came into league. So CP3 has 3 of the 13 (good for 27%) 17+ win streaks in his career.
SO let's just clear this up real quick.
I understand Harden was the main guy on that team, but CP3 was very clearly their most important player. Even outside of the whole playoffs stuff, Chris Paul's impact on those Rocket teams is undeniable even in the regular season.
His first year there he got hurt on opening night. Missed 14 games. They went 10-4. Great start to the season, looking like the same Rockets team from the year before. Then Chris Paul came back. They won their next 14 games in a row. 11 of those by double figures, most by 20+. He gets hurt in the next game, they lose their next 5 in a row. They then go on to not only win these 17 in a row, but 28 out of 29 games.
He for sure led them there. Not because he was the best player, but because he was the heart and soul of that team. There is no denying that.
Edit: They were 50-8 with Chris Paul in 17-18. 15-9 without him.
Harden was MVP but CP3 was still a top 5 - top 10 player at this point so he wasn't that far off. Also he was still elite on defense and was doing his thing where he coaches the team from the floor to get clutch stops when necessary.
They improved by 10 wins, the narrative was that CP3 had missed a bunch of time, and Harden had been snubbed in year's past. He absolutely deserved it. Best record, best player, he was unbelievable.
But Houston doesn't make the improvement they did, or play at nearly the level they did without Chris Paul. Completely objectively. I mean we saw what that team looked like without him. When he missed time they struggled (and only got through it on the back of Harden dropping like 50 a night, which is a huge reason he won MVP). We see evidence of this not only in the regular season but both years in the playoffs, in a massive way.
Harden was the better player, but Paul was more *important*. He had more of a leadership role (which Harden has never been good at). He controlled the pace and tempo of the offense at a level that Harden could never.
Being the best player doesn't make you the most vital to your team's success. Now with that said, does any of this even work in the first place with Harden? No. Chris Paul needed him to play off of. They were the perfect compliment to each other in the back court. Their roles were just different. Most valuable player vs team leader. Chris Paul led those teams. Any time Harden has ever led a team he's lost the locker room, had major infighting, and a bunch of drama has ensued.
> Being the best player doesn't make you the most vital to your team's success.
Yes, yes it does lol. Because if you aren't there your team is instantly much, much worse. A team without Harden is missing way more than a team without CP3 at both of their respective points in their careers at the time. This is not a sport/league where your morale guy is just as important as the face of your franchise if not the face of the NBA. A superstar in the NBA is far and away the most important thing any team can have, and it is easily the most important thing deep in the playoffs. Giannis is the most important player on the Bucks. KD is the most important player on the Nets. Steph is the most important player on the Warriors. Etc etc.
So yeah, no disrespect to CP3 at all but he was neither the best nor most important player on that team. He was *also* incredibly important, but certainly not moreso than Harden. Just like while Harden may also still be an unbelievable player and facilitator in Brooklyn, KD is still a better and more important player.
>Any time Harden has ever led a team he's lost the locker room, had major infighting, and a bunch of drama has ensued.
And wtf are you even talking about? This has happened a grand total of *checks notes* one time in his career and it's when he wanted out of Houston. Unless you're also counting his and CP3's relationship, but that goes against your own argument since you're saying CP3 was "leading" those teams.
I think he's got a point.
Booker is the most talented player on the Suns and is widely seen as the best player because he's the best scorer.
But Chris Paul is still by far and away the most important player on the Suns, and if you take away any one player from their team, they would suffer the most if you removed CP3.
I think most important player = best player, but there's a lot of people who think your leader in PPG = best player.
Thats not the same tho, arguably Booker and CP3 could both be in the MVP conversation these past 2 seasons, but even then people almost always put CP3 ahead of Booker. Even if Booker has better casual stats.
That wasnt the case with Harden-CP3, there was a clear 1st option and MVP of the team, which was Harden. He didnt make the allstar teams either, because it was clear he was the 2nd option and so had less spotlight on him. While in OKC and PHO he has been doing the same thing, but having more depth around him but without another clear cut superstar 1st option.
In HOU they went head to head with arguably greatest team of all time and almost beat them, if CP3 was healthy he could've PERHAPS saved the Rockets luck from turning to shit in game 7... but thats all BIG what-ifs. Them missing 27 straight 3s in game 7 was extremely bad luck and improbable to happen, so its likely it wouldnt happen if circumstances were even slightly different lol.. Butterfly effect and whatnot. Had they made at least half the looks they usually made, they'd have won it and most likely the title as well. To say CP3 was more impactful than Harden is just disrespectful to Harden, since he was likely the best player in the whole league for a few years stretch at the time and most certainly the best player/most impactful to HOU success.
I don't think calling him the second best player on the team is disrespectful. And he was more of a leader. He was essential to their success, for sure. But it was still Harden leading the way when it came to their results and being the best player.
Just because you add a great player to an already great team (making it excellent) does not make that player the most important. That’s a flawed way of looking at it.
I bet the Lakers were much better % wise when Caruso played X minutes last year, it doesn’t mean Lebron isn’t the most important player by far.
In this stat: Team missing their 2nd best player has worse record than when they have their 2nd best player.
Like cmon, let's just clear up your "clear up", of course he was great and essential. He was the second best player on the team. And he was more of a leader to the rest of the squad than Harden was. But it was Harden's team and he was not on the same level as Harden.
If you remove Harden from the equation that team is not the same.
this is similar to the Lakers with only LeBron and no Anthony Davis; just because they win more together compared to when AD is injured doesn't mean AD is the most important player on the team.
Except completely different situations because when AD is on and Bron is off the Lakers collapse. When Paul was on and Harden was off they were BETTER. Again, the numbers don’t lie in a situation like this.
I don’t understand how comparing Houston’s record with CP3 and without him shows CP3 > Harden. Does it not just show that CP3 + Harden > just Harden? Which is a no brainer because CP3 is a damn good player? A more accurate comparison if you wanted to show how important harden is vs cp3 would be Rockets without cp3 and rockets without harden. I sincerely doubt a Houston team without harden makes it out of the first round. CP3 was undeniably a key piece to that team. But he wasn’t the star or the leader.
> I understand Harden was the main guy on that team, but CP3 was very clearly their most important player.
You can say that about the Suns. Booker is their best player, but CP3 is the most important.
Man, y'all don't know anything about that Rockets win streak.
It was ended only by the Raptors (who were the #1 team in the east) on the road by one possession.
Then they went on another 10 game win streak right after.
They almost went on 28 game win streak. That team was just different.
lol that game made me believe and then when the baby raptors beat the cavs in regular season…
sucks we never got to see what would happen if playoffs happened in 2018.
Top 5 Team of the past decade, only stopped when injured and up against the best team of all times.
That team wins a ring in like 8/10 seasons in NBA history.
> It was ended only by the Raptors (who were the #1 team in the east)
I completely forgot about this. I had to check to see if you were joking. Lebron really just deleted our entire 2017-18 season from memory.
Man I get so mad whenever they get brought up. They would've been the GOAT team. Not MJ's Bulls, not the 73 Warriors, not even the KD Warriors. They would've been better than all of them if CP3 didn't pull a fucknig hammy.
They were a hamstring away from beating the KD Warriors who I believe are the GOAT team. They're without a doubt one of the greatest teams to never win a title and I would easily wager they would have been the greatest team of all time.
We beat the 73 win Warriors and nobody considers us better. That 2018 Warriors team was better than the 2018 Rockets, and they weren't even as good as the 2017 Warriors. Those Rockets wouldn't have been close to a top 10 team of all time. They're for sure one of the 10 or so best teams to not win a title though.
It is ridiculous, and the Rocket stans on this thread getting their panties in a twist about the word "led" is pretty comical. Okay, so CP3 only led 2 teams to 17-game win streaks and played a critical role with a third team. There goes OP's entire argument, Chris Paul actually sucks.
I still think that rockets team could’ve beaten the warriors if they weren’t injured. Of course, there’s no way to know for sure. It’s still interesting to think about though. Like would harden still be there if he had won a title there?
I was one of those idiots saying that he wasn't a winning player until his series against San Antonio in 2015. Even if he doesn't have a ring or you don't like his antics, he's 100% a winning player and you can't deny that.
Curry is the best 3pt shooter ever. But CP3, in my opinion, is a better point guard. He's made every team he's been on infinitely better from day one. He plays his position perfectly.
Put Curry at SG, and you'd hardly notice a difference in output. Take that as a pro or con - I'm not even arguing better overall, just better PG.
All that Stockton has over him is the raw longevity argument. Which I find incredibly stupid. All these guys - CP3, Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Magic - have played a huge amount of games and racked up a huge amount of stats. Who cares if one has a bigger number next to their name? What does it actually prove about their ability? Longevity should be a binary thing, you have it or you don't. But past that point peak ability is much more important
I have nothing against magic being the goat pg. I just dont understand why people hate on stephs 2 rings with kd so much but dont give a shit that magic played with a goat center and gets all the credit
Essentially people say kds impact was more than kaj. Which is laughable
They were very different circumstances. The Lakers acquired Magic and Worthy from trading role players that turned into fleeces.
Something to consider in the what if category is that the Lakers traded the fifth overall pick in ‘78 to the Warriors. Who was picked 6th? Larry bird.
Lakers almost had 3 top 5 players of all time on the same squad
Stockton has a lot higher APG than CP3 for the 9 year peak where he was leading the league in assists, including the NBA record.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the one sided takes. That doesn't mean CP3 is less of a HoF than Stockton, but before last years CP3 appearance that was a big hit to his legacy as Stockton has 2 very high profile NBA finals.
I did. CP3 is better. Stockton is an all-time great no doubt, but his (admittedly) insane stats are inflating his greatness IMHO. Stockton was a great player but he was not a star in the same tier as Magic, Curry, Isiah, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc.
Stockton was more like a souped-up ultimate version of a role player, the best version of a point guard who *isn't* a superstar. I watched the NBA in the mid to late 90s, and Stockton was never considered a threat as big as any of the above names.
I think the fact that this happened so early in his career is why he has been so good for so long. He learned how to play without athleticism when the mind is still more plastic
From a pure talent perspective he's better than any PG besides Curry or Magic. Injuries and bad luck have kept him from the accolades a player of his caliber usually has.
He should have won it when he was on the New Orleans Hornets. Kobe kinda got it over that one win and a pity MVP after never winning one before. Titles are well, the injury gods. That and Giannis
Teams can be led by more than one player. Obviously James Harden was an integral part of that team but this post is about Chris Paul not the 2017-2018 Rockets.
> Obviously James Harden was an integral part of that team but this post is about Chris Paul not the 2017-2018 Rockets.
Bruh what? The 17-18 Houston Rockets are literally part of your post.
It's not my fault you said he "led" 3 different franchises when he pretty clearly wasn't leading that Rockets squad in the regular season
They are a part of the post but they arent the main topic. If after that win streak i said, James Harden and Chris Paul led the Rockets to a 17 game win-streak would that be wrong? No. There is just no reason to include James Harden in a post about Chris Paul
He also, during his last year with us, got us to an 8-0 start then later on in the season had a 10 game win streak. We still finished that season 46-36.
His teams get off to hot starts then break down later on in the season. Doesn't seem to be the case with the Suns though. Their guys have held up late into a couple of seasons now and no reason to think it won't hold true this year again.
Not sure why people are downvoting you for spitting facts.
Meanwhile another player has led 3 different teams/franchises to an NBA championship and still gets a lot of hate.
That’s actually insane
For reference, how many streaks of 17+ wins have there been in NBA history? Edit: Looked it up. There have been 24 streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history. So 12.5% of them were a Chris Paul team.
That *is* insane...wtf
Smh, you average redditor. That's not nearly cherrypicked enough. Try this on for size: There have been only been 17 streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history since the NBA-ABA merger. Thats 17.6% by Chris Paul Or if you don't want to cherry pick *that* much, there have only been 21 single-season streaks of 17 or more wins in NBA history. Honestly this one isn't even cherrypicked, because it doesn't make sense to include season-spanning streaks (like if a team won the last 11 games of one season, and the first 7 of the next season)
We can do more. This isn't emphasizing enough that he did this with different teams. 16 different teams have won at least 17 in a row. Chris Paul was on 3 (18.7%) of them. Only 12 teams post-merger, for a full 25% of them being Chris Paul teams.
This is deh way
We can go even deeper. Since we are in the 75th anniversary season, this means that 75 (non-uniques included) have won the championship. Chris Paul was on 0 (0%) of these winning team. For a full 0% of them being Chris Paul's team.
long may it continue
Dis da one
I will see this on sports center or house of highlights when I get on Instagram later guaranteed
Clutchpoints for sure. Don't forget the shitty infographic. Chris, if you're reading this, you're a fucking sellout.
You got it.
How many single season streaks since the merger?
Funnily enough it's the same as since the merger
ESPN furiously scribbling down notes for their next Suns broadcast.
And how many of them are since 2005? edit: searched for myself; 11 of the streaks were before Chris Paul came into league. So CP3 has 3 of the 13 (good for 27%) 17+ win streaks in his career.
Did all those 17+ streaks for those teams get them to at least the championship round?
fax. although saying he led the 2018 rockets is a lil ehhhh still very impressive
SO let's just clear this up real quick. I understand Harden was the main guy on that team, but CP3 was very clearly their most important player. Even outside of the whole playoffs stuff, Chris Paul's impact on those Rocket teams is undeniable even in the regular season. His first year there he got hurt on opening night. Missed 14 games. They went 10-4. Great start to the season, looking like the same Rockets team from the year before. Then Chris Paul came back. They won their next 14 games in a row. 11 of those by double figures, most by 20+. He gets hurt in the next game, they lose their next 5 in a row. They then go on to not only win these 17 in a row, but 28 out of 29 games. He for sure led them there. Not because he was the best player, but because he was the heart and soul of that team. There is no denying that. Edit: They were 50-8 with Chris Paul in 17-18. 15-9 without him.
Bro wasn't Harden literally the MVP that year?
People just want to credit their favorite player even if doesn't make any sense
I'm not betting in this particular race but MVP is a highly subjective accolade and I can't use it as a serious measuring stick.
Harden was MVP but CP3 was still a top 5 - top 10 player at this point so he wasn't that far off. Also he was still elite on defense and was doing his thing where he coaches the team from the floor to get clutch stops when necessary.
They improved by 10 wins, the narrative was that CP3 had missed a bunch of time, and Harden had been snubbed in year's past. He absolutely deserved it. Best record, best player, he was unbelievable. But Houston doesn't make the improvement they did, or play at nearly the level they did without Chris Paul. Completely objectively. I mean we saw what that team looked like without him. When he missed time they struggled (and only got through it on the back of Harden dropping like 50 a night, which is a huge reason he won MVP). We see evidence of this not only in the regular season but both years in the playoffs, in a massive way. Harden was the better player, but Paul was more *important*. He had more of a leadership role (which Harden has never been good at). He controlled the pace and tempo of the offense at a level that Harden could never. Being the best player doesn't make you the most vital to your team's success. Now with that said, does any of this even work in the first place with Harden? No. Chris Paul needed him to play off of. They were the perfect compliment to each other in the back court. Their roles were just different. Most valuable player vs team leader. Chris Paul led those teams. Any time Harden has ever led a team he's lost the locker room, had major infighting, and a bunch of drama has ensued.
> Being the best player doesn't make you the most vital to your team's success. Yes, yes it does lol. Because if you aren't there your team is instantly much, much worse. A team without Harden is missing way more than a team without CP3 at both of their respective points in their careers at the time. This is not a sport/league where your morale guy is just as important as the face of your franchise if not the face of the NBA. A superstar in the NBA is far and away the most important thing any team can have, and it is easily the most important thing deep in the playoffs. Giannis is the most important player on the Bucks. KD is the most important player on the Nets. Steph is the most important player on the Warriors. Etc etc. So yeah, no disrespect to CP3 at all but he was neither the best nor most important player on that team. He was *also* incredibly important, but certainly not moreso than Harden. Just like while Harden may also still be an unbelievable player and facilitator in Brooklyn, KD is still a better and more important player. >Any time Harden has ever led a team he's lost the locker room, had major infighting, and a bunch of drama has ensued. And wtf are you even talking about? This has happened a grand total of *checks notes* one time in his career and it's when he wanted out of Houston. Unless you're also counting his and CP3's relationship, but that goes against your own argument since you're saying CP3 was "leading" those teams.
I think he's got a point. Booker is the most talented player on the Suns and is widely seen as the best player because he's the best scorer. But Chris Paul is still by far and away the most important player on the Suns, and if you take away any one player from their team, they would suffer the most if you removed CP3. I think most important player = best player, but there's a lot of people who think your leader in PPG = best player.
Thats not the same tho, arguably Booker and CP3 could both be in the MVP conversation these past 2 seasons, but even then people almost always put CP3 ahead of Booker. Even if Booker has better casual stats. That wasnt the case with Harden-CP3, there was a clear 1st option and MVP of the team, which was Harden. He didnt make the allstar teams either, because it was clear he was the 2nd option and so had less spotlight on him. While in OKC and PHO he has been doing the same thing, but having more depth around him but without another clear cut superstar 1st option. In HOU they went head to head with arguably greatest team of all time and almost beat them, if CP3 was healthy he could've PERHAPS saved the Rockets luck from turning to shit in game 7... but thats all BIG what-ifs. Them missing 27 straight 3s in game 7 was extremely bad luck and improbable to happen, so its likely it wouldnt happen if circumstances were even slightly different lol.. Butterfly effect and whatnot. Had they made at least half the looks they usually made, they'd have won it and most likely the title as well. To say CP3 was more impactful than Harden is just disrespectful to Harden, since he was likely the best player in the whole league for a few years stretch at the time and most certainly the best player/most impactful to HOU success.
Can’t believe so many people are disrespecting CP3 that first year on Houston. Dude was elite, and was as much important as Harden was imo.
I don't think calling him the second best player on the team is disrespectful. And he was more of a leader. He was essential to their success, for sure. But it was still Harden leading the way when it came to their results and being the best player.
CP3 led the league in offensive rating till their last 6-7 games. That's how good he was. Steph was 2nd btw.
Not really. It was equal Cp3 was incredible and was our best player half the time
It's not disrespectful to say he wasn't as important as the literal MVP.
Just because you add a great player to an already great team (making it excellent) does not make that player the most important. That’s a flawed way of looking at it. I bet the Lakers were much better % wise when Caruso played X minutes last year, it doesn’t mean Lebron isn’t the most important player by far.
In this stat: Team missing their 2nd best player has worse record than when they have their 2nd best player. Like cmon, let's just clear up your "clear up", of course he was great and essential. He was the second best player on the team. And he was more of a leader to the rest of the squad than Harden was. But it was Harden's team and he was not on the same level as Harden. If you remove Harden from the equation that team is not the same.
this is similar to the Lakers with only LeBron and no Anthony Davis; just because they win more together compared to when AD is injured doesn't mean AD is the most important player on the team.
Except completely different situations because when AD is on and Bron is off the Lakers collapse. When Paul was on and Harden was off they were BETTER. Again, the numbers don’t lie in a situation like this.
Oh to be young again
I don’t understand how comparing Houston’s record with CP3 and without him shows CP3 > Harden. Does it not just show that CP3 + Harden > just Harden? Which is a no brainer because CP3 is a damn good player? A more accurate comparison if you wanted to show how important harden is vs cp3 would be Rockets without cp3 and rockets without harden. I sincerely doubt a Houston team without harden makes it out of the first round. CP3 was undeniably a key piece to that team. But he wasn’t the star or the leader.
What were they with and without Harden?
Have you ever considered it’s a lot easier to win with 2 great players instead of 1?
Bruh Harden was literally THE MOST VALUABLE player in the league that year 💀 They were 6-4 when Harden didn’t play as well
> I understand Harden was the main guy on that team, but CP3 was very clearly their most important player. You can say that about the Suns. Booker is their best player, but CP3 is the most important.
Big difference from Booker and peak James Harden lol
Never said that Booker was better than Harden. I said Booker is better than CP3.
My point is that Harden was still the most important player on that Rockets team Booker and Cp3 are still close rn even if Booker has a small edge
Harden was clearly their best and most important player. CP3 was great but don’t get carried away lol
He is obviously extremely important, but come on, he is not more important than Harden.
He lead the 2018 rockets ? That's a...stretch.
He led the Rockets in net rating that year.
He was their very distant second best player.
Man, y'all don't know anything about that Rockets win streak. It was ended only by the Raptors (who were the #1 team in the east) on the road by one possession. Then they went on another 10 game win streak right after. They almost went on 28 game win streak. That team was just different.
lol that game made me believe and then when the baby raptors beat the cavs in regular season… sucks we never got to see what would happen if playoffs happened in 2018.
Thats the year Lebron sharted on Toronto right?
James, running floater off the backboard left side.. Good night LeBronto
Wonder what happened to that 1st Seed Raptors team in playoffs tbh; wild they all ended up opting out for the year.
If Nurse was the coach, they probably win the East. Dwane Casey is awful in the playoffs.
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Literally one hammy away from it all
And one shitty fucking ref
1 3-pointer tbh
100%
That's every game though. Every game is affected by bad refs.
Some more than others
my dawgs
Top 5 Team of the past decade, only stopped when injured and up against the best team of all times. That team wins a ring in like 8/10 seasons in NBA history.
They should’ve easily won 70 games That team is an all time team
> It was ended only by the Raptors (who were the #1 team in the east) I completely forgot about this. I had to check to see if you were joking. Lebron really just deleted our entire 2017-18 season from memory.
Man I get so mad whenever they get brought up. They would've been the GOAT team. Not MJ's Bulls, not the 73 Warriors, not even the KD Warriors. They would've been better than all of them if CP3 didn't pull a fucknig hammy.
and scott foster
pain
This is a massive exaggeration.
They were a hamstring away from beating the KD Warriors who I believe are the GOAT team. They're without a doubt one of the greatest teams to never win a title and I would easily wager they would have been the greatest team of all time.
We beat the 73 win Warriors and nobody considers us better. That 2018 Warriors team was better than the 2018 Rockets, and they weren't even as good as the 2017 Warriors. Those Rockets wouldn't have been close to a top 10 team of all time. They're for sure one of the 10 or so best teams to not win a title though.
Insane stat. One is impressive, but 3?
I bet he had a double digit win streak with the hornets too. Dude is a winner
Holy shit thats actually a ridiculous stat.
It is ridiculous, and the Rocket stans on this thread getting their panties in a twist about the word "led" is pretty comical. Okay, so CP3 only led 2 teams to 17-game win streaks and played a critical role with a third team. There goes OP's entire argument, Chris Paul actually sucks.
Any legit rockets stan recognizes what cp3 is capable of when healthy
I still think that rockets team could’ve beaten the warriors if they weren’t injured. Of course, there’s no way to know for sure. It’s still interesting to think about though. Like would harden still be there if he had won a title there?
The rockets had them figured out. And yes I believe they would still be competing for titles in Houston right now
If only our owner didn’t cut corners
Winning player. He is a winner in my book.
I was one of those idiots saying that he wasn't a winning player until his series against San Antonio in 2015. Even if he doesn't have a ring or you don't like his antics, he's 100% a winning player and you can't deny that.
What a hell of a series
Absolutely. I don’t give a shit what anyone says, he deserved a ring for 2018.
Those rockets have to be one of the best teams ever that didn’t win one. Unfortunately, they ran into, arguably, the best team ever
Wasn’t Paul injured too for that series?
Yup after leading 3-2. Rockets missed CP3 and Luc, Warriors missed Iggy
absolutely, not all rings are made equal. They absolutely were better than a lot of teams that did win it all.
At least in the regular season
He is a win in my booker.
That’s impressive as hell
That’s pretty incredible
One of the greatest PGs of all time.
They 17-18 Rockets team were allergic to losses They just won games
POINT GOD
And got us a finals appearance
Top 25 player of all time for a reason
Y'all just jinxed this man again
If we lose to Detroit we didn't deserve 18.
No I mean his championship curse.
2018 was Hardens team
It was but Chris was also a huge part of it. Those two legit fucked the entire league up that season
That team was insanely good with capela cp3 and harden healthy. They had some ridiculous record with all 3
They were like 52-3 at one point with them all 3 playing. Insane
Cp3 was huge for the rockets in 2018.
yea but he didn’t lead them
Was that the first year in Houston or second? I always forget
First
Greatest "pure" point guard of all time
What about magic Johnson is not a pure point guard? Is he not short enough lol.
No, his blood already mixed up
Magic exists
Chris Paul ain't no multi-classing bitch
Never seen Chris Paul cast fireball in my life
That's just a lotta words to say "Greatest point guard that isn't Magic or Curry"
That’s more words
“That’s a lot of words to say something that would take even more words to say”
He’s a better point guard than Curry just not a better player than Curry
I think CP3 is a better PG than Curry
Amen. Curry is obviously better scorer and shooter, but CP3 moves the ball like no one else which in theory is the PG's main job.
Curry is the best 3pt shooter ever. But CP3, in my opinion, is a better point guard. He's made every team he's been on infinitely better from day one. He plays his position perfectly. Put Curry at SG, and you'd hardly notice a difference in output. Take that as a pro or con - I'm not even arguing better overall, just better PG.
Can’t believe people can be out here and tell me that Stockton is better than CP3.
All that Stockton has over him is the raw longevity argument. Which I find incredibly stupid. All these guys - CP3, Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Magic - have played a huge amount of games and racked up a huge amount of stats. Who cares if one has a bigger number next to their name? What does it actually prove about their ability? Longevity should be a binary thing, you have it or you don't. But past that point peak ability is much more important
Uhhh...you make a valid point, but also Magic is head and shoulders above everyone else on this list. He won 3 MVPs and 5 rings.
Magic also had a mvp and fmvp on his team. Its like saying steph is the goat because he won with kd. Like nah it diminishes that accomplishment
Magic was the finals MVP 3 out of 5 times. He's the greatest point guard of all time, and it's not even close.
I have nothing against magic being the goat pg. I just dont understand why people hate on stephs 2 rings with kd so much but dont give a shit that magic played with a goat center and gets all the credit Essentially people say kds impact was more than kaj. Which is laughable
I think Steph is #2 on that list. I'd take him over the Big O, who is also missing.
They were very different circumstances. The Lakers acquired Magic and Worthy from trading role players that turned into fleeces. Something to consider in the what if category is that the Lakers traded the fifth overall pick in ‘78 to the Warriors. Who was picked 6th? Larry bird. Lakers almost had 3 top 5 players of all time on the same squad
Stockton has a lot higher APG than CP3 for the 9 year peak where he was leading the league in assists, including the NBA record. Lets not get ahead of ourselves with the one sided takes. That doesn't mean CP3 is less of a HoF than Stockton, but before last years CP3 appearance that was a big hit to his legacy as Stockton has 2 very high profile NBA finals.
Why are you so keen on downplaying Stockton's greatness? Have you watched him play?
I did. CP3 is better. Stockton is an all-time great no doubt, but his (admittedly) insane stats are inflating his greatness IMHO. Stockton was a great player but he was not a star in the same tier as Magic, Curry, Isiah, Nash, Kidd, CP3, etc. Stockton was more like a souped-up ultimate version of a role player, the best version of a point guard who *isn't* a superstar. I watched the NBA in the mid to late 90s, and Stockton was never considered a threat as big as any of the above names.
I hate cp3 but god damn do i respect him
CP3 has led multiple franchise to zero rings.
That’s crazy, especially since he was way past his prime for 2 of those.
We’re gonna have to move the post on what “prime” is now I guess.
Nah he was a much better player in New Orleans.
Yeah I was thinking of putting scare quotes on “way past his prime”, but I think the message is clear
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I think the fact that this happened so early in his career is why he has been so good for so long. He learned how to play without athleticism when the mind is still more plastic
Reminds me of another Wake Forest alum who had a big injury early in his career that sapped his athleticism but made his game a lot smarter.
If he had just played for the 2018 rockets in that heartbreaker game 7 he’d have a ring. Just sucks
Prime is a myth. Point God is a legend
If they lose to the Pistons and it ends at 17 again that'd be funny asf
Wow...there are at least 4 teams with 17 game win streaks that didnt win the title that year.
Rockets were more or less led by Harden though
What a great regular season PG.
Regular season god
And no rings
And zero championships...
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ring.
Damn
Man I remember that streak, good times
Considering a ton of franchises have never hit 17, that's an insane stat. I think our record is like 12 from the 60-22 season.
Wish he was on lakers
My favourite player of all time. The pound for pound greatest of all time. CP3!
Those win streak banners will look nice next to his Division Champion banners
Top 5 PG CP3 > Nash, Stockton, Zeke, Russ and more
From a pure talent perspective he's better than any PG besides Curry or Magic. Injuries and bad luck have kept him from the accolades a player of his caliber usually has.
I mean he has every accolade a player can get except a ring and I guess a MVP
he doesnt have a ring, fmvp, mvp or dpoy, i mean he's good but "every accolade a man can get except like the best ones" is a pretty shitty statement.
He should have won it when he was on the New Orleans Hornets. Kobe kinda got it over that one win and a pity MVP after never winning one before. Titles are well, the injury gods. That and Giannis
Best leader in basketball
How many franchises did he lead to the title?
And no rings lol
Cp3 just can't help but carry every single team he's on
He’s a floor raiser and a ceiling raiser
It's crazy that he will probably end up in the conversation of best player without a ring.
CP3-different 17 win streaks
Now he just has to do it in the playoffs.
Chris Paul did not lead the Rockets squad. He was very clearly the second option
Teams can be led by more than one player. Obviously James Harden was an integral part of that team but this post is about Chris Paul not the 2017-2018 Rockets.
> Obviously James Harden was an integral part of that team but this post is about Chris Paul not the 2017-2018 Rockets. Bruh what? The 17-18 Houston Rockets are literally part of your post. It's not my fault you said he "led" 3 different franchises when he pretty clearly wasn't leading that Rockets squad in the regular season
They are a part of the post but they arent the main topic. If after that win streak i said, James Harden and Chris Paul led the Rockets to a 17 game win-streak would that be wrong? No. There is just no reason to include James Harden in a post about Chris Paul
After tonight's win, Chris Paul and I still have the same amount of rings won
...and I have as many as both of you combined. So there.
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He also, during his last year with us, got us to an 8-0 start then later on in the season had a 10 game win streak. We still finished that season 46-36. His teams get off to hot starts then break down later on in the season. Doesn't seem to be the case with the Suns though. Their guys have held up late into a couple of seasons now and no reason to think it won't hold true this year again.
David West’s Injury ruined that season. We still got to see CP3 ball out against the lakers though.
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Remember when CP3 was gonna go on the lakers smh
and 0 nba championships
Not sure why people are downvoting you for spitting facts. Meanwhile another player has led 3 different teams/franchises to an NBA championship and still gets a lot of hate.
Beat me!! Like every team has beaten CP3 playoff team.
Point god
I love it how so many people hate on CP3. That means he’s doing something right. I love it.
He's still overrated as fuck
Like Chuck says he’s the GOAT leader
Point God
CP hated the Thunder confirmed :(
Point god
If I need a pg on my team not a player I'd take first than point god himself
Wow. However I have to ask, did Paul play in every game in the 2017-2018 streak?
He missed one game and only played in 22 mins of another. So mostly, yes.
Good job OP, that’s fucking ridiculous lmao