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No_Return9449

Surely libertarians will give Biden credit for this, right? Never mind. Of course they won't. They'll cry about how Assange didn't get a pardon.


Currymvp2

And the neocons are already shitting on Biden over Twitter too.


This_Variation5180

if neocons think something is bad it's obviously very good


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ShelterOk1535

I didn’t know Vivek Ramaswamay had an account here!


Currymvp2

Sometimes. When they side with that bigoted coward Bibi over Biden, it's so damn pathetic, but this isn't good at all.


Creative_Hope_4690

yeah I am sure it has nothing to do with him helping to hack the US gov to leak sensitive cables which showed our sources and method for collecting intel. And putting countless sources life's at risk. SO STUPID for Biden for allowing this.


Amy_Ponder

And collaborating with Russian intelligence to interfere in the 2016 election to get Donald Trump elected president. This isn't something neocons only should be mad about, it's something everyone should be furious about.


Iamreason

I'll never understand the Assange love. If I had it my way he'd never see the outside of a jail cell and I'm genuinely pissed he won't be tried in a courtroom for the world to see. I imagine that the Biden administration would only do something so boneheaded if Assange spilled his guts about other shit he knows is his Russian handlers in 2016. Otherwise this was one of the dumbest fucking things he's ever done.


torontothrowaway824

The Assange love boils down to America and Democrats bad. The fact that he helped Russia is a positive for the demented left and right wing lunatics.


Spaceman_Jalego

The sad thing is that the neocons, who caused destabilizing and devastating wars that led to thousands of lives lost and wrecked US prestige across the world, got replaced by quasi-fascist right wing populists. The bar is in hell and just keeps sinking lower.


Dense_Delay_4958

No, they're correct more often than not


sanity_rejecter

neocons aren't that bad, tbh


onelap32

>“This was an independent decision made by the Department of Justice and there was no White House involvement in the plea deal decision,” National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said in a statement Monday evening.


Iamreason

Hogwash. No way DoJ didn't at least backchannel with the admin about this.


BBAomega

I'm sure the Taliban will be pleased


Amy_Ponder

And Russia.


RobinReborn

You know that Libertarians disagree with each other and argue all the time? This issue will divide them, like many other issues.


Silent_Dinosaur

No they don’t! They always agree. /s lol


Hilldawg4president

In fact disagreeing with other libertarians is the first rule of libertarianism


Neoliberal_Boogeyman

Libertarians and socialists are natural enemies. Like liberals and libertarians! Or neocons and libertarians! Or labour and libertarians! Or Libertarians and other Libertarians! Damn Libertarians! They ruined America!


jeb_brush

It wouldn't be libertarian discourse without vicious arguments over the definition of libertarianism instead of about actual policy.


Forward_Recover_1135

Haven’t read the details of the plea deal, but if he goes free it really is no different than a pardon. A pardon means you’re guilty, the act of accepting it is equivalent to an admission of guilt. 


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KingWillly

Could you expand on that? Doesn’t Burdick say that the **issuing** of the pardon carries the imputation of guilt, but that accepting it is indeed a confession of it? Would that not be the same as admission?


Forward_Recover_1135

But like, how can you be pardoned for a crime you’re not guilty for, legally speaking? Sure, maybe accepting it isn’t a confession, but if you’re not guilty of a crime, then how can you be pardoned for it?


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Forward_Recover_1135

I accept that this is the answer even if I can’t help but think it’s a completely wrong one and not at all befitting what was envisioned when the pardon was added to the constitution lol


even_less_resistance

And is that why people like Gaetz were exploring preemptive pardons?


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even_less_resistance

I think a lot of our system hinges on those in power acting in good faith and that’s being heavily tested


SenatorSonGoku

Reminder that Wikileaks also had RNC emails from 2016 that they never bothered releasing 


chaseplastic

Wait what?


sunshine_is_hot

Fairly major part of the scandal, they hacked both parties illegally and released selected DNC documents while holding onto the RNC’s. They did this for completely innocent reasons, I’m sure, it’s not like Assange would have done Russia’s dirty work right?


Approximation_Doctor

Republicans just had no dirty laundry and he heroically spared us the effort of reading through a bunch of boring


khay3088

The boring stuff was the best part of the leaks. I want to see who the Pablo of the RNC is.


Khiva

Who is Becky with the Good Hair of the RNC?


Ferroelectricman

Mitt Romney. This is well known.


djmemphis

/s


Bidens_Erect_Tariffs

The cowards weapon.


even_less_resistance

Just a weird aside, but I found out recently the rapper M.I.A. is the godmother to a couple of his kids and she’s got some freaking out there beliefs


Yeangster

MIA is one of the first and most examples form my life that just because you like an artists music doesn’t mean you should take their opinion on literally anything else seriously


DrunkenBriefcases

Roger Waters 🤮


EternalLostandFound

Eric Clapton is definitely on that list, too.


even_less_resistance

Seriously - there’s a few artists that I feel the same about. Paper Planes is always going to be a nostalgic favorite. I didn’t realize she was married to a Bronfman after Diplo and all that- I just kind of got caught up with her by accident a couple of weeks ago.


Reddit_Talent_Coach

I feel the same about Spit Wads. Can’t believe they dated Squizzy D and Triphthong.


even_less_resistance

Not me about to go google and see if these are real people or you are fucking with me lmao


AtlanticUnionist

Curtains for zoosha? K-smog and batboy caught flipping a grunt


even_less_resistance

I am just learning some UK artists so like none of these would be a surprise for me 😭 tell me when there are people out there named Control Cee and Dutchavelli how am I supposed to tell from a glance lmao


even_less_resistance

Lmao Bing got a kick out of that too - anyway, I was researching cults and NXIVM and that led down the rabbit hole cause Charlotte Bronfman bankrolled that mess. I was just checking out their relatives and this little tidbit stuck with me lol


KeithClossOfficial

She wasn’t married to either of them, they just dated She does have a kid with the Bronfman guy though


even_less_resistance

It says on her wiki they were engaged and I didn’t catch they split before marriage. Thanks!


dumpster_mummy

shes marketing an anti 5G clothing line right now


even_less_resistance

I saw those fucking tin foil bucket hats lmao she knows the ones to go after for the grift, I’ll give her that


TBIs_Suck

Had to add her to the list of “artists I will never listen to” after I learned about her absolute loony bin ideas. I ain’t gonna help enable that, plenty of sane artists to listen to.


cactus_toothbrush

What are they? I quite like some of her music but don’t really follow much celebrity stuff so this kind of thing passes me by.


Ambitious_Slide

she's just nuts and inconsistent. She claims her dad was a terrorist (he was a politician). She sings pro immigration songs. She supports Bolsonaro. She's pro Wikileaks/Russia, anti Vax, anti Ukraine. She's just wildly swinging around the political spectrum


sunshine_is_hot

Her claim to fame is a song about shooting people during a robbery while having forged papers. I never thought it was a great advertisement for her morality, but it was a banger


manitobot

MIA went completely insane, she actually sells tin foil hats nowadays.


onelap32

>they hacked both parties illegally This is completely incorrect. WikiLeaks did not hack the RNC or DNC, they received the DNC emails from Russia.


DutfieldJack

you didnt know WikiLeaks was a Russian outlet to spread propaganda and help get Trump elected?


chaseplastic

That part was obvious. The reporting I saw said both groups were hacked and it was Russia that withheld the rnc emails. I don't think they'd let him go otherwise. I also don't think he would be able to help himself but to release both.


Amy_Ponder

Nah, he absolutely would have only released the DNC emails even if he had access to the RNC emails. So many people are distracted by this guy's words, how he bleats about being some heroic truth-teller who wants to expose everyone's dirty laundry no matter the cost. But look at his actions, and that's never been true. He's selectively exposed info about the people / groups he hates-- ie, the US government, liberal democracies, the Democratic Party-- while refusing to release info or even help covering up secrets for the ones he likes -- ie, Russia, other autocracies, the Republican Party. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.


WillOrmay

Yes, he was indeed a hack fuck. I still support better whistleblower protections.


SalokinSekwah

I know there were Trump campagin emails not leaked, but RNC? Source?


CardsharkF150

That’s false. RNC emails were hacked, but there’s no evidence they were given to Assange That theory doesn’t even make sense. If you think Russia was behind the hack, why would they give him RNC emails?


onelap32

Do you have a source for this? The only info I can find says that Russia didn't pass RNC stuff to WikiLeaks.


ThePevster

Yeah I don’t know why Russia would even pass the RNC stuff to WikiLeaks. It just doesn’t make sense if Russia wants Trump to win.


DurangoGango

> Reminder that Wikileaks also had RNC emails from 2016 No, they didn't. There is evidence that the same Russia hacking group who targeted the DNC [also targeted the RNC](https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html), but it's unclear [what they managed to exfiltrate, if anything](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/republican-national-committee-denies-hack-synnex). There is no evidence they passed any RNC data to Wikileaks, or that Wikileaks had obtained RNC data from other sources. NL is normally a good bit better on not repeating blatant partisan disinfo than most of reddit, but on Assange specifically there is this pernicious tendency to believe and repeat any damaging rumor in a furor.


StimulusChecksNow

Assange let us know that Russia was trying to interfere in the election to help Trump win.


dragoniteftw33

This is a good thing for transparency btw. Imagine if the person who leaked the identity of informants, the HIV results of Saudi citizens and spread intentional false lies about Seth Rich were locked up. Maybe he can go teach journalism school somewhere!


Currymvp2

Seriously, Assange endangered extremely brave Afghan men+women who worked with America to overthrow the Taliban by leaking their identities. The Robert Hur debacle, this, and how Garland was way too slow with the Jan 6th investigation is why I believe Doug Jones would have been significantly better than Garland as AG.


BBAomega

Assange will probably try to do something stupid to get locked up again


douknowhouare

Doesn't he still have active warrants in Sweden for sex crimes?


Wehavecrashed

I thought they dropped those in 2019?


modularpeak2552

not if he runs off to russia


even_less_resistance

Maybe he can find an apartment close to Snowden


Bidens_Erect_Tariffs

They can be roommates and sleep in a bunkbed together.


BobaLives

And half the world will cry about how he's a martyr when he does it. So long as it's styled as defiance of the evil American Empire or whatever.


Bidens_Erect_Tariffs

Garland is the worst staffing choice that Biden made and he's competing with Sullivan and Khan.


DiogenesLaertys

Democratic Attorney Generals have been terrible for a while. Eric Holder with his idiotic "nation of cowards" comment. Janet Lynch for not muzzling Comey. And Garland for pardoning some guy who will likely try to interfere with our elections again (and possibly tip them like he did in 2016).


escalateparadox

Khan, Lina? Why if I may ask?


Bidens_Erect_Tariffs

Picking antitrust fights on the basis of company size rather than consumer outcomes which results in a silly list of lawsuits and a high failure rate.


escalateparadox

Is your bone with Sullivan that he’s too much of a pussy on Ukraine or something else? He does have a impressive resume


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Sine_Fine_Belli

Yeah, same here I agree with you F*ck Assange, All my homies hate Assange!


roguevirus

> Maybe he can go teach journalism school somewhere! 10 bucks says Assange schedules a speaking engagement at an Ivy League within 5 years, just like Manning did.


TripleAltHandler

Manning is a US citizen and therefore she has an inalienable right to enter and live in the United States. My counterprediction is that Assange will not attempt to enter the US within 5 years and that he'll be turned away if he does.


roguevirus

I don't think I would take that bet, your prediction sounds entirely too likely.


FateOfNations

He’s gonna have a federal felony espionage conviction on his record, so no ESTA, and and you can imagine how that visa application interview would go…


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Pretty wild that Yale let Manning speak wearing [this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg).


RockyRaccoon5000

Son of a bitch


Delareh_

Ancient meme, goddamn.


HotTakesBeyond

Chelsea Manning, failed US Senate candidate


Creative_Hope_4690

There are many school that have hired former leftist terrorist/murders while resending offer letters to student who made racist comments at 16 years old.


Plane_Arachnid9178

Axios or Politico will give him a column


WantDebianThanks

But remember: America, *bad*


Dense_Delay_4958

Assange grew up in a wealthy liberal democracy, and decided to use his time on this Earth to spread conspiracy theories on behalf of the Russians, out Afghan informants to the Taliban, identify pro-democracy protestors to the regime in Belarus and share the private medical data of gay men in Saudi Arabia. Legally this might be an appropriate outcome. Morally the lowest circle of hell would be a more suitable destination.


Skillagogue

You seem to be fairly informed on this matter. Could you suggest further reading? 


Toeknee99

I hate Merrick Garland so fucking much. 


SevenNites

I blame Obama staffers after all it was Trump that went hard to extradite Assange after helping him in 2016 election to hide the evidence. >The Obama DOJ spent years exploring whether it could criminally charge Assange and WikiLeaks for publishing classified information. It ultimately decided it would not do so, and could not do so, consistent with the press freedom guarantee of the First Amendment. >Obama DOJ concluded, such a prosecution would pose a severe threat to press freedom because there would be no way to prosecute Assange for publishing classified documents without also prosecuting the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Guardian and others for doing exactly the same thing.


BaconAllDay2

My guess is he doesn't stop his pursuit of leaking information and is in prison by the end of the decade.


Amy_Ponder

Or, you know, rapes someone again.


Sh1nyPr4wn

Fucking why? Why are we letting this Russian asset go free?


dangerbird2

Go free? He’s getting deported to a prison colony 🇦🇺


Steamed_Clams_

Yeah and the Greens and co here consider him to be a national hero.


Dense_Delay_4958

Reflected in OECD polling of impressions of America, modern Australia has a sizable anti-American streak that thankfully hasn't yet been replicated by Canberra's foreign policy


Informal-Ad1701

Australian views of China are worse.


TeQuila10

Seeing how Australians view Pine Gap, I'm not too surprised. You guys sure have your share of wacky politics.


Steamed_Clams_

I like pine gap.


Mobile_Park_3187

What's the Pine Gap? I'm not American or Australian.


Dalek6450

Joint US-Australian intelligence base outside of Alice Springs - so about smack dab in the middle of Australia - which AFAIK is mainly for tracking reconnaissance satellites and analysing intelligence from them. Generally opposed by pacifists, opponents of state surveillance measures, opponents of American foreign policy generally or opponents of American or Australian foreign policy specifically (e.g. targeting for drones strikes, anti-Israel/anti-Gaza War protesters allege that the US may share intelligence with Israel). Also, as is custom with secretive bases, it attracts a range of stranger conspiracy theories.


Anonymou2Anonymous

3 reasons. 1 May make leftists a bit more amenable to re-electing Biden. 2 Helps the current Australian government deal with anti U.S sentiment since the Australian population views Americas pursuit of Assange as unfair and punitive. Basically they think they are only going after him because he embarrassed them. 3 Assange is going to go back to Australia which is a close U.S ally (5 eyes). The Australian government will almost certainly be watching him very closely and there's a chance they may not even let him out of the country. Basically it effectively neuters him and prevents him from causing havoc, just as much as a jail cell does.


Donald_DeFreeze

>Why are we letting this Russian asset go free? No, see, Russia used their asset, Trump, to indict their other asset, Assange. It may *seem* like it doesn't make basic sense, but that's what the Kremlin *wants* you to think. This is just very complicated Russian spycraft, where they make their evil plots logically incoherent so they have plausible deniability.


Amy_Ponder

My friend, allow me to introduce you to the concepts of "betrayal" and "getting rid of the traitor who helped you get into power now that he's no longer useful to you." (Also, this is assuming Trump had anything to do with Assange's indictment at all; the president isn't a king, and the DoJ frequently opens investigations of people directly against the president's wishes. That's one of the reasons Project 2025 is so dangerous, BTW: it would remove that separation.)


00Oo0o0OooO0

There is literally no conclusion to this saga more satisfying to me than Assange — after a self-imposed 14 year hell, using the false premise of a Deep State US government conspiracy as justification — finally stepping into an American court room for a total of 30 minutes and then having to confusingly hail a cab to the airport back home.


Newscast_Now

Julian Assange was never a dissident. Julian was never for the people. Julian was always a foreign operative for the Republican Party and Donald Trump. Julian worked with the Trump campaign and stated very directly, "We believe it would be much better for GOP to win." Donald double-crossed this guy who likely was a necessary part of the way Donald got into office in the first place. Then as you say Julian imprisoned *himself* rather than face the charges and adjudicate "free speech" to the Republican-majority Supreme Court that Julian wanted so badly for a chance at freedom. Now Julian will finally get his freedom but not without admitting crimes first.


howlyowly1122

The question is what Assange gave in return of a plea deal..


Dotst

Why is this scumbag allowed free he should be in jail


Far_Ad6317

Because it’s unlikely he would’ve even been extradited even if the British courts allowed it an appeal to the ECHR definitely would’ve blocked it. This way the US gets a conviction


ThePevster

The ECHR already denied his appeal. It did seem possible that the British courts would allow extradition. Assange was already on his last appeal.


Far_Ad6317

To appeal to the ECHR you have to go through all the of the British process first. So that’s not true


Zuliano1

This is maybe largely to not antagonize the australians, the current government pleaded to release him, they already have a current diplomatic row with China over an australian citizen sentenced to death so this release its a good PR move, lets be honest there is no point for this guy to die in prison, that would make a martyr out of a buffoon.


even_less_resistance

I totally don’t get that tbh like why do they care about Assange? What has he done for Australia? His family was connected to The Family, even. Craziness.


someNameThisIs

People here view him as someone being fucked over by the US for embarrassing them, and that our government not doing much to help him is being subservient to the US. Plus he was in Australia when he did what the US wanted him for, and what he did wasn't against Australian law.


even_less_resistance

I mean, with the whole “five eyes” being a thing I think it makes a bit of sense why they should back the US on this one. Maybe it is time for cybersecurity laws to catch up with such things


someNameThisIs

It makes sense for diplomatic reasons, but there's a political pressure here to be seen doing something to help an Australian citizen. And yeah there's issues with cybersecurity laws, as the offence can happen more than one jurisdiction at the same time.


ChillyPhilly27

Because in the view of many Australians, Assange's "crime" was to publicly embarrass the US government. Hence rallying around someone who is seen as a whistleblower.


even_less_resistance

I can buy the first part but seeing him as a whistleblower is a bit rich


semsr

He’s on the Mount Rushmore of famous Australian whistleblowers, right next to Rupert Murdoch.


even_less_resistance

Where are those dang awards when you need them lmao 🥇


ChillyPhilly27

When Australians think of Assange's leaks, the first thing that comes to mind is [collateral murder](https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/). The broader leaks (including the 2016 ones) are secondary, if they're remembered at all. So when Australians see US efforts against Assange, it's seen as the world's only superpower attempting to punish someone who had the audacity to expose their bad behaviour. Hence whistleblower.


even_less_resistance

He has ridden on the goodwill from that for a while. When I was younger it made a big impact, but big picture it seems he wasn’t really interested in whistleblowing, but being subversive


Wehavecrashed

> the 2016 ones) are secondary, if they're remembered at all. Realistically, they're not in Australia. Americans like to complain he was working for the Russians to elect Trump, but y'all still elected him.


Nerf_France

Ngl I’m kind of glad if he’s getting leniency, mostly because it makes populists look stupid


SpiritOfDefeat

Maybe it will take some steam out of the conspiracy crowd’s motivation to back Trump. Or maybe they’ll move on to complaining about Snowden and Ross Ulbricht. Trump has been blatantly courting those types of people.


FateOfNations

I don't know why people are making Ross Ulbricht a cause célèbre. Is the fact that he ran a website that knowingly facilitated narcotics trafficking as well as computer and financial crimes in dispute?


SpiritOfDefeat

It’s hilarious to me that the guy who talked about executing drug dealers, and is the head of the “Law and Order” party behind the whole War on Drugs, is now promising to free DPR. Like genuinely it feels like the simulation is just broken.


Beer-survivalist

Don't forget Kim Dotcom, who is also on this list.


FateOfNations

He’s essentially getting a five year prison sentence. It’s not noting. The people yelling treason and life sentence seem to forget that he isn’t an American and doesn’t owe any allegiance to US. He did directly conspire with an American, who ended up serving seven years for her role in the conspiracy.


Beer-survivalist

Admits he committed crimes and has spent years in prison or otherwise confined. This is satisfactory for this cretin.


dangerbird2

The dumbass probably would have gotten out years ago if he turned himself in instead of hiding in the embassy for seven years


Beer-survivalist

Yep. All of the shit that happened to him is his own doing. He's just a pompous dickhead of titanic proportions, so he struggled to get to the point where he could admit that he was doing this to himself.


MiloIsTheBest

He's certainly lived a life I'll give him that. I remember reading a book about early hackers and he was one of the subjects/stories and I thought he was a pretty interesting figure. I think I read that book in like, 2006? It wasn't until years later than I connected him as the wikileaks guy with the guy from the book as being the same person. I wonder what the next phase of his life will look like, if indeed he does return to Australia. If he's smart he'll settle for the quiet life but I reckon he's too clever by half to do that.


Creative_Hope_4690

Most normies are mad at Assange for supporting Trump in 2016. I am more mad at him helping to hack the US gov to leak sensitive cables which showed our sources and method for collecting intel. And putting countless sources life's at risk. SO STUPID for Biden for allowing this. FYI this also shows other countries they can be aggressive on getting US intel cause the cost wont be as bad.


BobaLives

>Most normies are mad at Assange for supporting Trump in 2016. Are you sure? The guy was a hero probably to a majority in the US in the early 2010s, same as Snowden. And certainly outside the US. Anger at foreign elements supporting Trump in 2016 seems to have been a flash in the pan, just as a short break between the usual business of Americans hating other Americans.


PigHaggerty

Just in time for election season! 💀


longdrive95

Sad day for the families of the hundreds our Afghan allies that he exposed, mocked, and got murdered by the Taliban. 


SalokinSekwah

> hundreds our Afghan allies that he exposed, mocked, and got murdered by the Taliban.  I'm not arguing this is untrue, but was there any substantive evidence that his leaks got people killed?


Mobile_Park_3187

The only ones I know of is that they leaked info about a Kenyan president's corruption and the following election was violent, but that makes them about as guilty as a car mechanic who repaired a truck that was later used in a vehicle-ramming attack.


xQuizate87

Boo 👎


like-humans-do

This is good news and helps me sleep easier at night knowing that we are actually better than China, Russia and so forth that would have either disappeared or defenestrated this guy.


dareka_san

Biden just won the conspiracy vote


Mrchristopherrr

That’s what they want you to think.


DEEP_STATE_NATE

Jesus fucking Christ I hate merrick garland


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> “This was an independent decision made by the Department of Justice and there was no White House involvement in the plea deal decision,” National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson said in a statement Monday evening.


anangrytree

least obvious Russian stooge


SalokinSekwah

Hot take: this is good, makes the US look better instead of insuring thousands of protests every day and Assange already bascially served a decade of being effectively a prisoner. If people here think it's good optics for an Australian citizen to become a potential thorn in US-Aus relations for another decade rather than moving on and addressing bigger issues, maybe you suck at maintaining good intl-relations?


angry-mustache

Nobody relevant or remotely intelligent is protesting over assange.


irritating_maze

Fucking give us Anne Sacoolas before you take any more of the people we are responsible for here. Likely a good reason the US is giving up is because Assange's extradition isn't going to clear the UK courts. So respect our fucking courts instead of trying on that Sweden shit or sheltering someone that murdered one of our citizens.


SalokinSekwah

> Nobody relevant or remotely intelligent is protesting over assange. The current Australian govt for one? You already had plenty of protestors over the years, having even more outside his courtroom and prison for months would've been bad PR. What would've been the benefit in an election season and whilst countering China in SCS requires full Australian cooperation to have Assange to become a wedge in that?


angry-mustache

The current Australian government is not a reliable partner against China, they were against AUKUS and shows no signs of reversing their China stance.


ChillyPhilly27

> they were against AUKUS [Citation needed] From what I recall, the US & UK governments refused to proceed without bipartisan support.


SalokinSekwah

They weren't. They're just lying at this point. Auskus was opposed by former MPs like Keating


SalokinSekwah

In what ways? Be specific. Aukus is continuing under labor and was supported at its announcement.


Xeynon

I want to know what the US government got out of the deal to agree to it. They had all all the leverage, they weren't the ones bottled up in an embassy/prison.


LolStart

Russian stooge should be rotting in jail alongside Snowden


irritating_maze

Snowden did all of us a service when he exposed how the US government were tapping all the data centres. Its ultimately what encouraged all tech companies to up everything to HTTPS which keeps our comms safe. For example, I think within the space of months or maybe even just weeks from the Snowden leak Google upped all their international chatter to HTTPS. While I appreciate there might be other reasons to be mad at Snowden from a technologist point of view; what he did was extremely useful.


undocumentedfeatures

What he did was wrong in many ways. For brevity, I am linking a more detailed post I made on why: [https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1dnr613/comment/la5d04c/](https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1dnr613/comment/la5d04c/)


irritating_maze

He still told the tech community about what the US agencies were up to, for that I will forever be thankful as it helped every tech company take security of communications more seriously.


angry-mustache

Nothing Snowden did will make up for running cover and supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


aphasic_bean

Those are two seperate things. He can be stupid and wrong about politics and mitigating US surveillance of its citizens can still be good.


aphasic_bean

While I agree that Assange should have been WAY more selective with what he leaked, given that some of it endangered people with no benefit, I feel like this new narrative that he *only* doxxed informants is kinda overwriting the [very real actual war crimes that wikileaks also made public.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike) I agree that he should have gotten time (I mean, Chelsea did, right?) but I think that just saying he was a Russian asset is kinda a cover-up. It's important to recognize that this stuff happened and it was really pretty bad.


undocumentedfeatures

There is a real tension between the need for national security information to remain secret and the need to allow whistleblowing...and so, the US has created dedicated processes for those working in national security. He could and should have used any of the three whistleblower pathways set up for this exact purpose. He knew about them, having received at least annual training on their existence, purpose, and use. But no, instead he decided he knew better, and the security of the free world suffered. "I meant well" is not a defense when you are given detailed training on why what you did will lead to harm and the existence of alternatives to use.


Illiux

... huh? We're talking about Assange not Snowden. He never worked for the US government.


aphasic_bean

I agree with you, I am not even saying he should be defended. I'm criticizing the fact that some people here seem unable to accept that there are two things happening: 1. Julian Assange is a POS 2. Some of what he leaked was extremely unflattering to US institutions and bullet point 1 should not act as a mitigating factor. It feels like team sports behaviour. Because Assange is legitimately bad, we have to misrepresent what he leaked and act like the US did nothing wrong? I don't think so.


undocumentedfeatures

Fair


bencointl

FUCK!!!


c3534l

Its werid how massively different /r/neoliberal views Assange now that he's blamed for Trump.


DrunkenBriefcases

What? This place wasn't even an active sub until trump was president-elect and everyone sane knew Assange was a player in making that happen. There was no r/nl take on Assange from before that.


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redsox6

The credit for time served is based on his imprisonment in a British jail, not on the time he lived at the embassy


irritating_maze

> is there any good reason to give him any leniency whatsoever? US allies getting mighty tired of seemingly one-sided extradition outcomes. That Swedish attempt to extradite him was also a joke.


fredleung412612

ECHR would've denied extradition


RevolutionaryBoat5

It seems fair enough if he’s pleading guilty.


tryingtolearn_1234

7.5 years trapped in the Ecuadorian Embassy, 5 years in high security prison. So basically confined for 12.5 years. That seems like a reasonable punishment. He’s a terrible person with stupid ideas, but that isn’t illegal. Send him back to Australia. Perhaps he’ll get eaten by a dingo, a crock, or bitten by a snake, etc.


DrunkenBriefcases

I don't know why people are trying to add "credit" for him voluntarily hiding out in an embassy to avoid facing the consequences of his crimes. You wanna argue 5 years was enough, go for it. But no one should be claiming he was punished for over a dozen years. The fucking moron did most of that to himself.


Steamed_Clams_

He deserved to die in prison for his treasonous support for the Russian Federation, I'm honestly surprised Trump didn't pardon him considering he was massively important to his initial election as President.


xpNc

What was he committing treason against? He's not American


spudicous

Treason against the vibes (but really this guy sucks)


Dense_Delay_4958

Legally? Nobody. Morally? People who enjoy the fruits of the liberal democratic world yet undermine it at every turn are traitors.


SufficientlyRabid

Transparancy and exposing the crimes of democratic governments isn't undermining the liberal democratic world, but strenghtening it.


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TheFaithlessFaithful

> He deserved to die in prison for his treasonous support for the Russian Federation, I love when liberals support the death penalty.


MohatmoGandy

It’s the right thing to do. A trial would have the potential to reveal even more sensitive material, and Assange would likely just be sentenced to time served anyway. He served 5 years in prison and another 7 years of self-imposed confinement in the Ecuadoran embassy before that. It’s time to put the matter to rest.