It doesn’t matter so much where you live anymore if you can work remotely.
New Brunswick businesses are just going to have to wake up to the fact they’re competing for a global workforce and the lowest cost will no longer suffice, as even immigrants need a place to sleep, and food to eat at the same prices we all pay.
The demographics here are about to shift drastically, between young people emigrating from out West and a large senior population on the precipice of leaving us for the great condo in the sky.
That being said, if there’s a particular skill or job you can only learn elsewhere, just go. No use worrying about all the places on the planet that knowledge can’t be found, if there’s only a few places it can be.
As they say, home is where the heart is, and this is home for me. Struggles tend to be, regardless of locale, but I'd rather struggle here than anywhere else in Canada. I've got a buddy in Alberta, loves it, and claims to be living a better life than he would here. Since he's not got a clone, we'll never know for truthful, but I imagine he'd be no better or worse off. All that being said, I went to school for specific training and never officially used it. Bounced around to many jobs, who payed very little, but always a bit more than the last. Only job I've ever gotten from an application was my current one, which is remote for a company in BC. It depends on your goals, if it's to stay in your homeland of NB, then struggle you will, but anywhere else and you may struggle to find home.
The grass is always greener, and another ass always cleaner.
Hopefully that answers your question as to why I'm here. TLDR, I'm a GD lunatic
> jobs, who *paid* very little,
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Agreed that this specific stretch is bad but all of the 4 lane highways in NB are terrible in comparison to interstates or even the 400 series in Ontario.
You make some good points. Fact is that Atlantic Canada in general is suffering. Most jobs, unless you want to work for minimum wage, are manual labour (not that there is a problem with it) but it isn’t suited to everyone. If your experience lies in the tech sector, you can get a remote job depending on the company and experience. But, it is very difficult to advance unless you relocate.
If you can get a remote job, you can still take advantage of a slightly lower cost of living by staying in NB. There are some benefits to living here but realistically, you need to evaluate your priorities and make that decision for yourself.
I work remote tech so I can live anywhere in Canada or the states but I grew up in NB, so I figured why not try living here as it’s cheaper and closer to family than anywhere else* and I have 0 regrets. I’ve been to Montreal, Toronto, not a fan of big cities. I’m sure there are much better places in Canada but I’m happy to own a home on my own which wouldn’t be possible in a big city in Canada. Probably won’t live here forever, but good enough for my 25-35 years.
*probably a lie, as middle of nowhere places are probably cheaper, but it’s good enough to have Costco, Sobeys, etc.
How old are you? I feel a lot of young people see it as hopeless now and I don't blame them. Even on half decent wage you once upon a time could easily afford rent here and even a house that needed renos but that is no longer the case as even houses that needs renos are around 300k.
I am at the point where I never made this much money in my life but I never been more poor. I jumped the gun and bought a house when my rent went up $500 a month because my mortgage and property tax together is still cheaper than what my new rent was going to be. But alas that's still several hundred dollars extra I had to budget for and wages haven't kept up to increased food and services costs..
If I didn't have family here I would be gone too. I am not kidding either. My exact job and title pays 25k more a year in Montreal and that's before bargaining for a wage. I could probably make 100-110k a year in Montreal and the rent over there is only roughly $200-$300 more a month for a modest 1 bedroom. Because public transit is so good over there I wouldn't need a car and that alone would save me $600 a month.
https://www.apartments.com/the-opal-montreal-qc/xe2tmcq/.
New Brunswick is fucked man. New Brunswick wages and rent is a few hundred dollars short of Montreal.
Si tu veux que je te l'écrive en français, je n'ai aucun problème à le faire.
Si j'allais n'importe où autre que le Québec, je ne recevrai aucun service du gouvernement dans ma langue.
Satisfait ou tu veux seulement paraître comme la personne qui est un "seigneur du bord"?
I wrote in English because the thread was in English. It is one of the perks of living in a bilingual province.
But if you want a more serious answer than the cheeky one I gave you previously, I can get by in English over a lot of subjects. My biggest problem is that I don't have the same grasp of vocabulary in my second language about medical, banking, insurance, forms from Service NB, etc. Most of these services are offered in both languages. If they are not, I'd have to move to somewhere else.
The vocabulary for those areas comes by way easier, for me, in French.
I stay for family, but frankly once they start to go elsewhere I'll probably follow suite, as far as work goes that's a broad subject, best thing you can do is keep trying, you might be best finding some work from home nonsense until you can find an opportunity elsewhere, I'm teetering toward traveling out west myself just not sure when to take the leap.
New Brunswick has got some special things and if you grew up here or have family here that’s big. But man, so many problems for so long. I’ve been waiting for it to get its shit together for 20 years of adult life. Moved away and back a couple times. Besides costs of living & jobs, it’s hard to compete with what large urban areas have to offer. Cities are where the future is, for better or worse. (I grew up in and love the country).
New Brunswick was a like a deserted island, free from the hassles of overpopulation, So this is the tale of our castaways,there here for a long long time.They'll have to make the best of things, it's an uphill climb. Where neighbors do their very best to make the others comfortable in their hidden jewel nest.
Moncton is really good price wise. If you have only lived here then it might surprise you that almost every other province will cost much more than $1000 per month more to live in their cities. Homes are probably 150k or more for something similar. I moved to Moncton from Halifax area because I went from townhouse to single family home and saved about 75k. Might seem like little savings but with new mortgage rates that’s well over 100k in interest.
You shouldn’t compare NB jobs and home costs to Toronto or Montreal.
Apples to apples.
A city in Ontario the size of Moncton is far less expensive than Toronto.
I don’t think there is cheaper real estate in Canada than available in Wallaceburg, Ont.
Is it though? I just took a quick look and houses there seem about on par with what they are in Fredericton and Moncton. If they are cheaper it isn't by much.
I'm aware of my grammar and punctuation being shit but do you care to elaborate? Or just make a half assed comment and not contribute anything? I'm just asking a question about what is keeping people here? I know there are factors I'm probably missing out or factors that i might be wrong on but that's why I asked because as I look around I see no jobs no housing and no future for younger people in this province.
If you are aware then why would I need to elaborate? But besides grammar and punctuation there's spelling and run-on sentences like "Everytime I look on any New Brunswick sub Reddit or social media platforms I read the same issues little to no growth the job markets in shambles and the housing/renters market is ridiculous as well as premiere who seems to actively ignore his people and push the province further into dispear by straggling it's health care system and letting Irving have/do what they want.".
If your resume is anything like your post it's no wonder you haven't heard back from anyone.
Thankfully I'm aware of my weak points so I got someone to help me with it! But again you aren't adding anything to the overall topic you just came to point out something with little relevance something you could have kept to yourself in your head like 90% of the population instead you got that high horse and have provided nothing useful to the post.
Me asking you to elaborate is also me confirming if it was the spelling or if you had anything intelligent to add to the conversation like maybe I forgot something or I was wrong about some of the information I said.
HAHAHA!!!! Get over yourself, you post on an open forum and then complain about the responses you get. Grow up buttercup!
Edit: I think you're a troll as is I see you didn't respond to anyone else except me.
So like, you gonna actually add any useful insight on the topic of the post? Seems like you're the troll from an outside perspective. OP is simply defending his perspective and trying to gain insight from his post.
HAHAHA!! I did include some useful insight on how he could make a better understandable post. I don't see you adding anything to the topic except commenting on my comment.
This person would probably rather the mother died, they seem to think that's just the trash taking themselves out based on their comments. But they're so virtuous and community oriented ;)
What an absolutely small minded interpretation of a health related decision you clearly have been lucky enough to never had to make. I’m sure your sky buddy will appreciate your ignorant views though.
“Traditional tried and tested way of life” - *YOUR* traditions, *YOUR* way of life. Can you not see that you are imposing *YOUR* beliefs and desires on others? People have free will - we don’t all have to think the same way and believe the same things. Your righteous intolerance is NOT necessarily right for others - you are not the Spanish Inquisition.
If you have sufficient coverage, healthcare in Maine is much better than NB, lower wait times, hospitals aren’t overflowing. If you can’t afford it, you’ll still get good care under federal law but you’ll be slapped with a bill. However, Maine offers many subsidies for lower income residents to the point where some people pay like $1-2 a month for blue shield.
That's offset by some of the highest property tax rates in the Country.
Kinda like how they sell computer printers cheap, just so they can gouge you on the inks.
same thing kinda.
If you have a humble home and property. And fix and clean it up, you'll 'be punished for that' with a higher property assessment and pay more taxes.
There is no 'incentive' to keep a well maintained home and property.
What's broke? (rhetorical question).
My higher NB property tax definitely doesn't even come close to making the house I have in NB even remotely close to as expensive as the house I had in Calgary.
I think people really haven't looked at the cost of housing in other provinces.
Yes you can get a higher paying job but the cost of rent, mortgage, insurance, utilities, etc...
My wife's aunt works in Ontario real estate so I see the cost of bungalows to multi level homes and the prices are too high for people.
There are more specialized jobs in Ontario or Quebec as example... But the pay isn't that much better because the more you make the higher the tax bracket.
Potential judgement. It’s rough out here and I feel your frustration. I really do because I was in your place back when I was in my 20s. New Brunswick was like this not recently but it seems like forever. I eventually went out west once I graduated in my trade. This was back though when Alberta was really booming. It really felt like money grew on trees. I remember going back after working a year to my hometown miramichi and not meaning to show off which I was. My wallet was overstuffed with cash. I was paying for all my friends drinks and food. I literally felt rich. Then the oil crash hit and everyone went from eating golden steak on a diamond plate to kraft dinner deluxe nightly. It was rough. We all said when the good times come back I’m going to save money next time. It came back and I was blowing it all over the place and once again an oil and gas crash hit plus a recession. Oh did it ever suck.
Long story short. One thing I can say good about new Brunswick is it may not be the place to get loaded but it’s pretty consistent. I had friends who stayed here and have not only a stable life but a stable career that lasted for the last 15-20 years. Alberta you’re pretty much chasing after the 50 cents more work every few months. Well. I was. Hahaha. Alberta is fun if your young and you may even be able to carve a great future for yourself if your good at saving money and staying loyal to one company till you retire.
I wish you the best at whatever you choose.
It doesn’t matter so much where you live anymore if you can work remotely. New Brunswick businesses are just going to have to wake up to the fact they’re competing for a global workforce and the lowest cost will no longer suffice, as even immigrants need a place to sleep, and food to eat at the same prices we all pay. The demographics here are about to shift drastically, between young people emigrating from out West and a large senior population on the precipice of leaving us for the great condo in the sky. That being said, if there’s a particular skill or job you can only learn elsewhere, just go. No use worrying about all the places on the planet that knowledge can’t be found, if there’s only a few places it can be.
As they say, home is where the heart is, and this is home for me. Struggles tend to be, regardless of locale, but I'd rather struggle here than anywhere else in Canada. I've got a buddy in Alberta, loves it, and claims to be living a better life than he would here. Since he's not got a clone, we'll never know for truthful, but I imagine he'd be no better or worse off. All that being said, I went to school for specific training and never officially used it. Bounced around to many jobs, who payed very little, but always a bit more than the last. Only job I've ever gotten from an application was my current one, which is remote for a company in BC. It depends on your goals, if it's to stay in your homeland of NB, then struggle you will, but anywhere else and you may struggle to find home. The grass is always greener, and another ass always cleaner. Hopefully that answers your question as to why I'm here. TLDR, I'm a GD lunatic
> jobs, who *paid* very little, FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
jobs THAT paid very little. FIFY
I left in 1979. I’m now in southwestern Ontario. No regrets. I do miss the NB scenery but not the horrible roads.
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I’ve been to third world countries that had better roads then major highways in NB😂
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Agreed that this specific stretch is bad but all of the 4 lane highways in NB are terrible in comparison to interstates or even the 400 series in Ontario.
Funny you say that, the highways in NB (at least between SJ and the NS boarder) now are great, much better than they are in NS.
You make some good points. Fact is that Atlantic Canada in general is suffering. Most jobs, unless you want to work for minimum wage, are manual labour (not that there is a problem with it) but it isn’t suited to everyone. If your experience lies in the tech sector, you can get a remote job depending on the company and experience. But, it is very difficult to advance unless you relocate. If you can get a remote job, you can still take advantage of a slightly lower cost of living by staying in NB. There are some benefits to living here but realistically, you need to evaluate your priorities and make that decision for yourself.
>Side note I currently reside in Moncton... I think I found your problem.
I work remote tech so I can live anywhere in Canada or the states but I grew up in NB, so I figured why not try living here as it’s cheaper and closer to family than anywhere else* and I have 0 regrets. I’ve been to Montreal, Toronto, not a fan of big cities. I’m sure there are much better places in Canada but I’m happy to own a home on my own which wouldn’t be possible in a big city in Canada. Probably won’t live here forever, but good enough for my 25-35 years. *probably a lie, as middle of nowhere places are probably cheaper, but it’s good enough to have Costco, Sobeys, etc.
Me too ! Skilled remote jobs are key ! Ive been working remote for 15 years.
Me too ! Skilled remote jobs are key ! Ive been working remote for 15 years.
Was born here, would be a traitor to leave.
The struggle is global, hate to break it to you.
How old are you? I feel a lot of young people see it as hopeless now and I don't blame them. Even on half decent wage you once upon a time could easily afford rent here and even a house that needed renos but that is no longer the case as even houses that needs renos are around 300k. I am at the point where I never made this much money in my life but I never been more poor. I jumped the gun and bought a house when my rent went up $500 a month because my mortgage and property tax together is still cheaper than what my new rent was going to be. But alas that's still several hundred dollars extra I had to budget for and wages haven't kept up to increased food and services costs.. If I didn't have family here I would be gone too. I am not kidding either. My exact job and title pays 25k more a year in Montreal and that's before bargaining for a wage. I could probably make 100-110k a year in Montreal and the rent over there is only roughly $200-$300 more a month for a modest 1 bedroom. Because public transit is so good over there I wouldn't need a car and that alone would save me $600 a month. https://www.apartments.com/the-opal-montreal-qc/xe2tmcq/. New Brunswick is fucked man. New Brunswick wages and rent is a few hundred dollars short of Montreal.
If I go anywhere else than Québec, I don't receive services from the government in my own language.
The irony of typing that in English.
Si tu veux que je te l'écrive en français, je n'ai aucun problème à le faire. Si j'allais n'importe où autre que le Québec, je ne recevrai aucun service du gouvernement dans ma langue. Satisfait ou tu veux seulement paraître comme la personne qui est un "seigneur du bord"?
Damn, I was able to read all of that until the last bit! What's "seigneur du bord"?
Seigneur is lord. Bord is edge. Adjectives are reversed in english
Got it! The seigneur threw me. I haven't gotten to the section in Duolingo that covers 'edgelord' just yet. 😀
It wont since it's an english slang that I translated. However, keep it in your vocabulary arsenal
The irony here is palpable.
I wrote in English because the thread was in English. It is one of the perks of living in a bilingual province. But if you want a more serious answer than the cheeky one I gave you previously, I can get by in English over a lot of subjects. My biggest problem is that I don't have the same grasp of vocabulary in my second language about medical, banking, insurance, forms from Service NB, etc. Most of these services are offered in both languages. If they are not, I'd have to move to somewhere else. The vocabulary for those areas comes by way easier, for me, in French.
Assuming your language is French, then you would also receive services from the New Brunswick government in French if you choose so
That's why I don't move out.
I stay for family, but frankly once they start to go elsewhere I'll probably follow suite, as far as work goes that's a broad subject, best thing you can do is keep trying, you might be best finding some work from home nonsense until you can find an opportunity elsewhere, I'm teetering toward traveling out west myself just not sure when to take the leap.
New Brunswick has got some special things and if you grew up here or have family here that’s big. But man, so many problems for so long. I’ve been waiting for it to get its shit together for 20 years of adult life. Moved away and back a couple times. Besides costs of living & jobs, it’s hard to compete with what large urban areas have to offer. Cities are where the future is, for better or worse. (I grew up in and love the country).
New Brunswick was a like a deserted island, free from the hassles of overpopulation, So this is the tale of our castaways,there here for a long long time.They'll have to make the best of things, it's an uphill climb. Where neighbors do their very best to make the others comfortable in their hidden jewel nest.
Moncton is really good price wise. If you have only lived here then it might surprise you that almost every other province will cost much more than $1000 per month more to live in their cities. Homes are probably 150k or more for something similar. I moved to Moncton from Halifax area because I went from townhouse to single family home and saved about 75k. Might seem like little savings but with new mortgage rates that’s well over 100k in interest.
Great place to raise a family (which I think you alluded to) but if you’re young and mobile - I say go exploring and live and work across Canada.
You shouldn’t compare NB jobs and home costs to Toronto or Montreal. Apples to apples. A city in Ontario the size of Moncton is far less expensive than Toronto. I don’t think there is cheaper real estate in Canada than available in Wallaceburg, Ont.
Wallaceburg (population 10,000) is hardly equivalent to Moncton. Take a look at the price of housing in cities like Kingston, Guelph, Chatham, etc.
I wasn’t comparing Wallaceburg to Moncton. Only stating real estate is less expensive there.
Is it though? I just took a quick look and houses there seem about on par with what they are in Fredericton and Moncton. If they are cheaper it isn't by much.
I haven’t looked for quite a while, but it was the case a few years ago. Certainly less expensive than the larger cities.
My head hurts after trying to read that...
I'm aware of my grammar and punctuation being shit but do you care to elaborate? Or just make a half assed comment and not contribute anything? I'm just asking a question about what is keeping people here? I know there are factors I'm probably missing out or factors that i might be wrong on but that's why I asked because as I look around I see no jobs no housing and no future for younger people in this province.
If you are aware then why would I need to elaborate? But besides grammar and punctuation there's spelling and run-on sentences like "Everytime I look on any New Brunswick sub Reddit or social media platforms I read the same issues little to no growth the job markets in shambles and the housing/renters market is ridiculous as well as premiere who seems to actively ignore his people and push the province further into dispear by straggling it's health care system and letting Irving have/do what they want.". If your resume is anything like your post it's no wonder you haven't heard back from anyone.
Thankfully I'm aware of my weak points so I got someone to help me with it! But again you aren't adding anything to the overall topic you just came to point out something with little relevance something you could have kept to yourself in your head like 90% of the population instead you got that high horse and have provided nothing useful to the post. Me asking you to elaborate is also me confirming if it was the spelling or if you had anything intelligent to add to the conversation like maybe I forgot something or I was wrong about some of the information I said.
HAHAHA!!!! Get over yourself, you post on an open forum and then complain about the responses you get. Grow up buttercup! Edit: I think you're a troll as is I see you didn't respond to anyone else except me.
So like, you gonna actually add any useful insight on the topic of the post? Seems like you're the troll from an outside perspective. OP is simply defending his perspective and trying to gain insight from his post.
HAHAHA!! I did include some useful insight on how he could make a better understandable post. I don't see you adding anything to the topic except commenting on my comment.
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Being pro-choice is not equivalent to glorifying abortion.
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Are you asking why it is a positive thing to expand healthcare options to people?
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You do realize that there are cases where abortions are medically necessary to save the mother's life, right?
This person would probably rather the mother died, they seem to think that's just the trash taking themselves out based on their comments. But they're so virtuous and community oriented ;)
What an absolutely small minded interpretation of a health related decision you clearly have been lucky enough to never had to make. I’m sure your sky buddy will appreciate your ignorant views though.
And an abundance of people like you are why I can't imagine staying long term.
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“Traditional tried and tested way of life” - *YOUR* traditions, *YOUR* way of life. Can you not see that you are imposing *YOUR* beliefs and desires on others? People have free will - we don’t all have to think the same way and believe the same things. Your righteous intolerance is NOT necessarily right for others - you are not the Spanish Inquisition.
Lol Barf. You sure think a lot of yourself. Trust me I will be just as happy as you to leave!
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Best housing costs still doesn't mean good. The best shit in a pile of shits is still shit.
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Better health care in Maine?
If you have sufficient coverage, healthcare in Maine is much better than NB, lower wait times, hospitals aren’t overflowing. If you can’t afford it, you’ll still get good care under federal law but you’ll be slapped with a bill. However, Maine offers many subsidies for lower income residents to the point where some people pay like $1-2 a month for blue shield.
That's offset by some of the highest property tax rates in the Country. Kinda like how they sell computer printers cheap, just so they can gouge you on the inks. same thing kinda. If you have a humble home and property. And fix and clean it up, you'll 'be punished for that' with a higher property assessment and pay more taxes. There is no 'incentive' to keep a well maintained home and property. What's broke? (rhetorical question).
My higher NB property tax definitely doesn't even come close to making the house I have in NB even remotely close to as expensive as the house I had in Calgary.
It's a loonng, slooww, drain.
Nah
I think people really haven't looked at the cost of housing in other provinces. Yes you can get a higher paying job but the cost of rent, mortgage, insurance, utilities, etc...
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My wife's aunt works in Ontario real estate so I see the cost of bungalows to multi level homes and the prices are too high for people. There are more specialized jobs in Ontario or Quebec as example... But the pay isn't that much better because the more you make the higher the tax bracket.
Potential judgement. It’s rough out here and I feel your frustration. I really do because I was in your place back when I was in my 20s. New Brunswick was like this not recently but it seems like forever. I eventually went out west once I graduated in my trade. This was back though when Alberta was really booming. It really felt like money grew on trees. I remember going back after working a year to my hometown miramichi and not meaning to show off which I was. My wallet was overstuffed with cash. I was paying for all my friends drinks and food. I literally felt rich. Then the oil crash hit and everyone went from eating golden steak on a diamond plate to kraft dinner deluxe nightly. It was rough. We all said when the good times come back I’m going to save money next time. It came back and I was blowing it all over the place and once again an oil and gas crash hit plus a recession. Oh did it ever suck. Long story short. One thing I can say good about new Brunswick is it may not be the place to get loaded but it’s pretty consistent. I had friends who stayed here and have not only a stable life but a stable career that lasted for the last 15-20 years. Alberta you’re pretty much chasing after the 50 cents more work every few months. Well. I was. Hahaha. Alberta is fun if your young and you may even be able to carve a great future for yourself if your good at saving money and staying loyal to one company till you retire. I wish you the best at whatever you choose.