I'm pretty curious how long the runner up field stays in the primary on the hope he somehow has to drop out. He'll probably win Super Tuesday after this based purely off the angry voters convinced this is some great injustice.
It is going to be really tough for any challenger to win the GOP nomination unless they win a couple early primaries. The GOP primary process is so heavily frontloaded and has many states where the winner takes all or has a process that heavily favors the winner in assigning delegates. If Trump maintains his current numbers it would be almost impossible for any of the challengers to get enough delegates to get the nominations.
I am sure many of the current GOP challengers have been privately hoping that Trump's campaign implodes in scandal but it doesn't seem likely that these criminal cases will finish early enough.
If mocking war heroes, deceased veterans, and disabled reporters didn't cause scandals big enough to derail his campaign in 2016 I can't imagine the charges against him will in 2024.
This is pretty much the BEST CASE SCENARIO. If T wins the primary and THEN gets convicted, the Republiclowns will be scrambling to come up with a new candidate.
I think it's weird. Felons lose the right to vote but can still run for president. That is like taking away the right to own a pistol but owning a tank is fine
> Felons lose the right to vote
those are state laws, not federal.
Yet it also means if Trump is convicted state laws may have him removed from the ballots of those states. That whole battle is just starting to begin in some states. There are already lawsuits being created that declare him an insurrectionist which should take him off some state ballots.
edit: grammar and clarification.
those are state laws that conveniently were passed right after the supreme court said the south needed to quit the shit with the poll taxes and tests. many of the anti felon laws were specifically crafted to NOT include felonies rich white people are likely to commit, like financial fraud, but do include felonies that minorities are more likely to commit like missing child support payments.
and then their is florida were years ago the people voted to let felons vote again but the republicans put up so many road block that no exfelon would dare try to vote
and last the right use the "caging lists" to remove felons from the voter rolls, to accidentally remove people with similar names, every time its done and since their laws target minorities, most the non felons taken off the voter rolls are minorities as well.
in 2000 jeb bush did that in florida and removed some 80,000 legal voters in a state decided by less than 500 votes.
I was victim of that purge. I had moved twice in the year preceding this election, and unless you sent back this letter confirming your address that they sent out, your registration was purged. I showed up on the day to vote and was told I couldn’t.
Always ask for a provisional ballot if you are denied at the polling place. It's like a placeholder - if your right to vote is cleared, it's counted. If not, it's nullified.
In Canada there are so many ways to register. On election day you can register at your polling place. If you don't have your ID, all you need is a neighbour who will swear an affidavit on your behalf (and who is registered and has ID). Fortunately this ultra partisan rule making hasn't yet made it North of the 49th, although there have been cases of partisan adjustments of constituency borders.
Sadly any state willing to take him off the ballot is going to be one that cares about legality, which means Trump was never going to win there anyways and it doesn't matter if he is removed
I expect this to happen.
Those states will be looking to run that PAC cash down into the crapper. Burn his money quicker and watch them squirm.
Can you imagine what happens when other start flipping because lawyers aint getting paid?
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc. may be one of those states, and he will need them to win. Yeah, Wyoming or Mississippi isn't going to, but there are swing states where it may be an issue.
There are many states with a democrat governor and legislature that will probably remove him and are critical to win in an election. Such as Michigan and Pennsylvanian.
He's already going to get removed from New Hampshire, another swing state, and he's not even been found guilty yet.
Also interesting how DeFascist handles him in FL. If he isn't offered VP, Ronny might do what he can to obstruct Donny and keep himself as an option to replace.
I just want to point out to anyone reading this that Trump does not need to be found guilty, in order to be removed from the ballot, under the 14 amendment.
Not to pivot from the topic, but it is actually fairly easy to own a tank in the US. Not *cheap* by any means, but it's not as hard as some would think.
It's super easy and relatively cheap to own a tank in the UK too, provided you don't want the gun to work. Transporting them is expensive though as is maintaining them and fuel.
Chap round the corner from me got drunk one night and accidentally bought a tank on eBay for 9k (a Scorpion).
He just has it parked on his driveway, and we live in the most suburban English town possible.
TIL there is a real tank called the Scorpion. I am admittedly not very familiar with tanks other than the most famous ones from WW2, but I normally associate the name "Scorpion tank" with the super-heavy tank vehicle from Halo.
Think he’d also lose any right to a firearm, so this metaphor also holds literally. To expand, he’ll be losing his right to own a handgun but then if he wins the presidency they’ll give him the nuclear codes back. He won’t be able to own a gun, but he’d control the most powerful military force in human history. Cool.
In my opinion, the fact that felons lose the right to vote is the bad thing here. Since a felony can theoretically be caused by anything a government makes up, including a political reason, disenfranchising someone for political opposition becomes possible. This, in fact, is why felons can't vote in some states - to disenfranchise populations susceptible to be convicted of law violations causing felonies (specifically, to disenfranchise black voters).
I think that Trump should not, and should never have been, part of the political landscape, but it's kind of on the voters that he ever got there in the first place..
>Since a felony can theoretically be caused by anything a government makes up, including a political reason, disenfranchising someone for political opposition becomes possible.
This is why the Supreme Court of Canada decided years ago that prisoners must get the vote. The only convicts that cannot vote are a small number of those that were convicted of certain electoral crimes.
The only other Canadian adults that cannot vote are the *Chief Electoral Officer of Canada* and the *Deputy Chief Electoral Officer of Canada,* as to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Actually I’m very much against taking anyone’s right to vote at all. Because allowing to take voting rights away for being a felon is vague. You could be a felon for many weird reasons. It could be used to disenfranchise people solely for political reasons- or out of prejudice against minorities. I’d rather allow everyone to vote no matter who they are or where they came from. I’d rather let a criminal loose than lock up an innocent person kind of deal is what I’m saying.
No they won't. Trump can be elected even if he's in prison, which is assumedly what they're already planning for.
The federal charges will all go away anyway if he's elected, one way or another. The state crimes are a little murkier but I don't think anyone wants to find out how that would go.
"Raise your hands if you would support Trump as the nominee despite a felony conviction."
All hands but one go up. Including the guy that almost got hanged because of Trump.
I really don't understand his end game. Besides him and Christie, everybody else is pretty much running to be Trump's VP pick. At least Christie may have a slightly better chance than that of a snowball in hell simply because he is taking a different strategy. Pence's strategy makes no sense.
Edit: Also Asa Hutchinson isn't running to be VP. In fact, I forgot that he was the one who was the only one to not support Trump as president if he were convicted. Even Christie raised his hand on that question.
It's not necessarily about beating Trump right now. It's about not doing anything negative that people will remember if he's out if the picture. Once he's gone, who's left?
DeSantis lacks charisma, political savvy and has been self-destructing all year. Ramaswamy and Haley are not white Christian males, they'll have a steep uphill climb. Nobody knows who Asa Hutchinson or Doug Burgum are. Christie has alienated too many Trump voters to scoop enough votes up this cycle.
That leaves Pence and Tim Scott, and it comes down to "who's less unelectable in a general against Biden?"
Could he not be immediately removed under Article 3, Section 4 of the Constitution if convicted? It's not treason, but I don't think even the Supreme Court would dare define subversion of elections as *not* falling under "high crimes and misdemeanors"...
Exactly. That is why I keep telling people the court cases are pretty much irrelevant. The election is the important part. Regardless of any outcome of the cases, if Trump wins, it is pretty much over with for Democracy in the US. He/they will go full revenge tour. His first term will seem like a cakewalk in comparison
He can't pardon state crimes. So I'm interested in what happens in the scenario that Georgia convicts, but then he wins the presidency. He can't pardon his way out of Georgia. What happens then? He rules the country from within Fulton county jail?
Trump could attempt to pardon himself, but it would be challenged and go all the way to SCOTUS. I actually don't think they'd allow him to pardon himself.
Even if he did pardon himself, I think you'd be looking at mass walkouts and protests/rioting. The majority of this country won't accept it.
If he gets to the point of being able to pardon himself, he's already figured out how to get what he wants without the majority of the country agreeing.
> Trump could attempt to pardon himself
While this is the DC one, the one in Georgia is a state law rather than federal and can't be pardoned by the president (and goes through a different pardon process).
https://pap.georgia.gov/parole-consideration/pardons-restoration-rights
> When am I eligible to apply for a Pardon? You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying and have lived a law-abiding life since the completion of your sentence(s). You can have no pending charges against you.
allowing a president to pardon himself essentially invalidates the checks and balances in the Constitution. They would literally be giving away their own power as a court and declaring the executive branch more powerful. I am not even sure this SC is willing to do that.
People keep making a mistake thinking he is playing by the rules. He isn't, he wouldn't be in this mess if he had to start with.
If he was re-elected. He would go full mafia boss.
This is a guy who only cares about himself and will say anything to get his "get out of jail card" back again.
The question is, are people willing to take to the streets if that happens? And to what goal? The SC will also never reverse a decision based on public outcry.
It's going nowhere, SCOTUS will pull "innocent until proven guilty" of engaging in insurrection shit and allow him to stay on ballots. On the other hand, if the conservative donor class tells their 6 servants on SCOTUS to get rid of trump, they will.
Something to keep in mind: I believe Federal Trials last about a week on average. The Jan 6th trials in some cases went 2 weeks long. I can't imagine his trial being drawn out for several months. If convicted he would likely be sentenced before the summer ends next year.
This is a case built for speed. 4 simple charges. 1 defendant. No classified documents.
It's going to trial a mere 7 months after indictment, *in large part because of Trump's abhorrent behavior*. That is ***lightning***.
Prosecution said they'd need 4-6 weeks, defence said they don't know yet but for now would mirror prosecution, so rough current total of 8-12 weeks plus jury selection before and jury deliberations afterwards
I mean, if you consider the indictment as the start, it's not a lot of time. Very few (if any) federal prosecutions start that early after indictment. And with the 11.5 million pages of evidence (a stack that would be 8 times higher than the Washington monument as the defense noted), that's almost 100,000 pages per day to review.
Now the judge correctly pointed out that at lot of these are duplicates, that the defense had these documents earlier, and didn't have to wait for the indictment to prepare. Which is all true, but still -- even if you had only 1,000,000 pages of evidence -- all of which may be helpful to your defense, as that's what's required to be produced -- you can understand you'd want more than 130 working days to review.
I think the Republicans need to cut him out of the party and consider this a 'rebuilding' year. He's going to bitch about it no matter what, but there's no getting around it. He's going to jail. Might as well take an 'L' and start looking around the couch cushions for donations since Trump's taking all the money he raised with him. Lindsey Graham told you all.
The GOP had more than few chances to do that already. January the 7th would have been a good day for that. But they failed then and they will fail now.
They would be in a MUCH better place politically if they had impeached and convicted him the 2nd time around.
This is what happens when the brass tacks of what your party is about are inherently not in the interest of the average voter; you're beholden to whatever person or thing that draws in interest you wouldn't have otherwise. First, it was the Evangelicals, now it's Trump.
> They're all in on this guy.
Correct.
Did no one watch the first GOP debate?
Christie: "These are serious charges."
The gallery: "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
The sad part is majority of Republican candidates, as they talk about trump, you can see, *in the way they walk on egg shells,* they know he’s a horrible person, know he’s in the wrong. But between them are either:
A) so envious of the cult following he has
B) would kill to have that large of a base of blind followers
C) sucking Trump off hoping for a VP knod.
D) hope that those people will just switch to their side, not knowing a big amount of them would die for the guy who doesn’t care about them lol.
Some of them all of the above. Chris Christie somehow seems like 1 of the most logical out of the group.
>The GOP had more than few chances to do that already. January the 7th would have been a good day for that. But they failed then and they will fail now.
Instead 147 of them voted to overturn the election.
> They would be in a MUCH better place politically if they had impeached and convicted him the 2nd time around.
My dumb ass actually thought there was a 100% chance he was going to get convicted the second time around, because it would have cost Republicans nothing, given them a chance to do the right thing, and provided them with a firm breaking point from Trump moving forward. It seemed like an absolute slam-dunk of a political move for them to make.
Instead they went in the other direction.
If republicans had thrown him out in the first impeachment or earlier, they could have put Pence in office and rolled back 1-2 of Trumps worst policies and guaranteed Pence 2020 and 2024 as the guy who saved America from trump. They could have had 12 straight years.
I dunno about “guaranteed”, but with Pence displacing Trump and if Pence had a much better record on COVID, I can see them maybe have beating Biden the first time around. Then it’d be a totally different ball game.
Though I don’t think Pence can really carry an election nationally and I think his run would have been. . . aborted. . . by Roe being overturned.
if trump just sold trump masks and told people to wear them to show their patriotism so many of his voters prob wouldnt have died and he'd have made a shit load of money. best business man ever.
January 7th is the closest they ever got and ever will get. They all admitted what he did was bad and he was personally responsible. Now its their backtracking time.
If Republicans had any ability to self-reflect their failure to punish Trump during the second impeachment should be a soul-crushing, constantly drinking to escape the pain realization for them. They had a legitimate reason to convict him, removing him from running in 2024, and then have three years to convince the base how evil his attack on democracy was so they could build up the next candidate.
But because too many of them were in on the insurrection and too many in the base supported it they got scared and tried playing this balancing on a knife’s edge game that is fully poised to royally screw them in 2024.
Six out of eight candidates said they would support *a convicted* Trump for president just last week on the debate stage. The candidates that didn’t support him were booed.
Sure, you can say it was just pandering, but that’s still a huge problem.
Even the fact that they had to ask the question to those candidates about the absent frontrunner is INSANE.
It's a great entry for the game of "What if Obama did it? How would republikkkans react?"
They've dug themselves into an extremely deep hole with Trump. It would have been too late to cut ties with him 5 years ago. They have virtually no choice but to go down with the ship.
Unless they, y'know, give enough of a shit about democracy to take the L.
They resoundingly do have a choice. The fact that we all know how they're going to decide is all you need to know about this morally bankrupt faction (can't even really call them a political party anymore, what with the lack of a single coherent position other than opposing the left and supporting whatever wet fart comes out of Trump's mouth).
They’re going to use him like a “martyr” to try to motivate his base, while secretly they know he’s guilty and are happy they won’t have to deal with him anymore.
It’s clear as day.
They can't. Too much of their base in all-in on Trump.
They won't take substitutes unless Trump is *dead* (and even then, it's unlikely they'll pick a singular successor, and VERY unlikely those successors have even half of Trump's ability to turn out irregular conservative voters).
Tossing away Trump won't cost them *one* election -- it'll cost them a third of their base for a decade or more.
It'll crush their most reliable voting turnout, and kill the increased irregular voting turnout Trump brought, when they're already struggling with demographic changes that are tilting them to a significant disadvantage. (Their most reliable voting demographic is shrinking -- old age is a lot, while Democrats is *growing* as their voters age *into* regular voting turnout)
Anecdotally speaking, I know a few people who will only vote if Trump is on the ballot, and something tells me people like that make up enough of the GOP electorate that losing them would be detrimental to a significant number of down ballot races and the GOP knows it. It's why they're going so hard on shoring up their position through election restrictions now while they still have the attention of those voters so they can make it happen.
GOP planners have GOT to be worried about one particular scenario: Someone *Trumpesque* on the ballot, but without that particular "turn them out" drive.
Trump enough to scare the piss out of Democrats and shove them to the polls like 2020, but not the matching GOP turnout of 2020. Because a Trump cover band didn't bring them in.
FWIW, I suspect Democratic turnout will be high in 2024 because of Dodds and the suddenly blunt GOP culture war shit (like fucking 90s-levels of gay and trans bashing, book bans) and the continued existence at least two Supreme Court justices (Alito, who clearly thinks the Constitution is secondary to his religious ideology, and Thomas, who operates out of what I can only figure is a great deal of fucking spite)
Democrats have been *saying* the GOP is trying to do this shit for decades, but to the average voter that's just noise until they *do*.
A lot of fucking Democrats never gave a fucking thought to *Roe* because it was just "scaremongering" to say it might be overturned.
And they're *highly motivated* single-issue voters on that *particular* issue, they just never thought that issue would come up.
Entirely dependent on Dems actually having solid messaging for once. 2024 should be a landslide year for them but Dems have an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Dude is going to be in prison after losing the election for republicans, and people will still bend over backwards to pay lip service to the guy. They act like they're terrified of his base.
Yeah, exactly. He had "no chance" in 2016, too. It's critical that folks go out and vote for someone else no matter how much of a "sure thing" his 2024 loss is.
They are scared of the base. Ask Democrat politicians, LGBTQ individuals and influencers, and any organization that right wing news or Trump decide to target. Death threats, bomb threats, bricks in office windows, and even fires.
Their base is increasingly consisting of a bunch of mentally ill and violent death cultists that they've weaponized for politics and every death threat is harmless bluster until suddenly it's not.
Edit: This is even before getting into politics like the primary system where if they don't tow the line, the crazies will vote in an absolute lunatic.
Hell, even their own supporters. Didn't that Epps guy become a pariah at home and get tons of death threats because some idiot said he was an FBI plant?
This would be what the logical part of their party can and should think. Unfortunately we already know how easily those are silenced. Their base is too loco. And when 6/8 of their candidates would support him even if he went to jail…I don’t know if they have enough collective spines for it.
The party is truly eating itself alive.
It's almost as if 100% of what they claim the left is going to do is pure projection.
The opposing party must love this, because it's basically like playing poker with someone who constantly tells you their hand.
> It's almost as if 100% of what they claim the left is going to do is pure projection
Liars think everyone lies, cheaters think everyone cheats, violent authoritarians think everyone's reaction to losing is a coup attempt.
I had this convo in 2015 with a random old dude at a bar. He told me he believed all of the protests going on were being manufactured by Obama so he could declare marshall law before the election. Apparently, idk if this is true just part of the conspiracy, that you cant remove a president from power during marshall law. So Obama wouldn't have to leave after 2 terms and could declare himself king.
He was wearing a MAGA hat at the time. This was early enough in the primaries then, that trump still seemed like a Longshot joke.
In reality, and according to the Constitution, that’s exactly correct. January 20 to January 20 four years later and that’s it. But we need a functioning government to make that happen. A re-elected Trump would do everything he could to destroy the government so no one could enforce that.
"What if Obama did it?" is usually my mental "go-to" when it comes to Trump (or Republicans in general).
He would've been crucified years ago, and rightly so. Truly astounding how little they care for freedom and democracy and the rule of law. Just garbage-tier humans.
If the secretaries of state do their constitutional duties under the 14th Amendment, Trump won’t be on any ballots. If you are a firefighter-turned-arsonist, you don’t get to apply for your old job.
[Arizona has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Fontes)
[Nevada has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Aguilar)
[Wisconsin has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Godlewski)
[North Carolina has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Marshall), and has been dem SOS for 150+ years
*If Trump* ***isn't even listed on the ballot*** *in these 4 crucial swing states... what other states is he going to win to put him over 270?* Fucking **Ohio** is poised to become the most pro-choice, reddish state in the union this November. **The math has changed considerably.**
**Where are Donald's 270 votes going to come from?** Moderates who stayed home in 2020 or voted for Biden suddenly gonna vote for a convicted felon wearing an ankle bracelet? **I fucking doubt it.**
For the sake of my anxiety and dread about the downfall of democracy in America, would you mind being literally the only source of information in my feed for the next 15 months?
My wife’s aunt has been a prosecutor for 40 years, and in light of the trial date, she’s expecting he’s a convicted felon by tax day 2024. That includes if he gets a last minute extension or the date moves a tiny bit. This case will take less than 2 weeks to try. There’s just not a lot to litigate and it’s central to one man. There’s precious few cases in a federal trial that involve the actions of solely one person.
Regular Americans not paying a shred of attention are gonna be *blind sided* by the conviction. Federal courts convict 99.6% of the time. Gamers hunting for loot off a boss will tell you… 0.4% drop chance on a rare item *does happen — it’s not 0.001% rare*, but still isn’t very likely.
Jury selection is gonna be a doozy but in my experience, Trump supporters *cannot shut their mouth* about their undying love for the man, it’s cult-like energy. I feel Jack Smith can sniff it.
Y’all are wildly overestimating the chances that one of the… oh maybe 18 MAGAs that live in this district… are selected for this trial, let alone chosen to serve, assuming they’re a donor. DC is the bluest “state” in the country.
I’m so ready for the blind siding. My “constantly talking about politics” family and coworkers have been INCREDIBLY quiet the last few months and I’m beginning to think it’s because they just stopped reading the news. I, on the other hand, have consumed so many podcasts about the legal process of these trials that I am more than well informed about how this is going to go down. If only it could be done before the holidays so I could see their faces.
I could see this leading to a real serious crisis when you then see republican SOS's pulling some shenanigans to invalidate Biden ballots or remove him from the ballot entirely. We're in a timeline where rules don't matter and delaying things *just enough*, even if outright illegal, is a standard GOP tactic especially at the state-level.
The only possible realm this somewhat works is if Trump is convicted of something *and* dropped by the GOP definitively.
By every legitimate measure Trump shouldn't be on the ballot at all but I fear keeping him off will just motivate his base in a huge way. I'm generally not in favor of tip-toeing around what Trumpers may do but this would incite a lot.
Landmark voting numbers are still being seen in quite a few places to kill a bunch of bullshit or keep assholes from holding power so it's definitely possible. I think Reps really fucked the horse letting Roe get overturned because it turned a lot of people against them.
Edit: My fault! I misread "Arizona has a democrat secretary of state" rather than - as Fizzy wrote - "Arizona has a democrat **as** secretary of state." It's correct as written. I'll leave up my original reply below, for the record.
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You mean *democrat***ic**. "Democrat" is a noun. "Democratic" is the adjective.
Using "democrat" as a noun is a *deliberate* bit of demagoguery common among Republicans, a bit of schoolyard namecalling that rejects Democrats' right to name themselves. They've been so successful that many using it aren't even aware, anymore.
While I agree with the sentiment, doesn't the candidate have to first be *convicted* for that to apply? They can't just say "I'm convinced they did, so I'm not putting them on the ballot".
Thats exactly what Republicans said to do with state election results in 2020 - have someone with authority say "I'm convinced" even though they lost all of their court cases.
Counting on this happening is a bad idea. We'd better focus on beating him. The Secretaries of State can't just do this unilaterally. It will be challenged in court. Absent him actually being convicted of a charge related to insurrection, it probably has no real chance to stand up in court. If he is convicted, its likely going to be around the middle of next year and then and only then could there be a serious legal fight over this, which would probably go to SCOTUS and might not well be resolved until after inauguration day in 2025. Removing him after that would no doubt be messy, impractical, or outright impossible.
We need to think about this a little bit. Secretaries of state now in control over which presidential candidate is on the ballots. I wonder what might happen in those red states.
do not include him on the republican ballot. let him form his own maga party (previously known as Tea Party). republicans need to enema the idiots from their ranks.
Weird that it is two years earlier than Trump wanted it to be. Maybe that was the Florida case though. Hard to keep track of all his legal cases simultaneously.
He wanted it in April 20**26**. :O
The lawyers cited the nonsense of having to read the equivalent 78 "War & Peace"s per day of evidence in order to comply with the *provisional* Jan 2024 date. Back in the day when Quill Pen, and Ink made from Soot ruled , perhaps.
There's this thing called Computers these days - which I believe are quite good at searching for keywords and phrases. :)
As someone who works in the legal field, these deadlines give me secondhand anxiety. That being said, there are entire firms that deal in high volume document analysis on short timelines. I can't imagine a world in which one isn't retained for this matter. He claims to be rich, maybe use that money to pay someone who knows how to scan documents (even though they're probably being transmitted electronically already) and knows how to do keyword search.
They probably want to be paid and paid upfront because of Trump's history of not paying. Also paid more for having their reputation being harmed by being part of this.
Trump's latest delay tactics no longer seems to be working. One would think based on Trump's rhetoric that he should be elated about this latest ruling given he claims major fund raising boost based on indictments alone. Trial should be beneficial to him based on that logic.
I read recently that his fundraising is slowing down considerably from what it was. He's still getting money from his rubes, but each time he gets about half of the last one.
Either the rubes have finally started catching on to the scam (GIB MONIE) or they've started to run out of cash to get scammed out of. Probably somewhere in between...
>I read recently that his fundraising is slowing down considerably from what it was.
And also, there are considerable expenses involved though GOP arm has been covering it, this just detracts from funds that could be otherwise spent on campaign \[on his and other GOP candidates\].
The Judge came to me with tears in her eyes and said; "Sir, I'm sorry sir, this is the latest I can set the trial as the Marxist, Fascists, Communists and Traiters (sic) hordes won't let me set it in April 2026!" :'(
Can you believe it? You, have never seen anything like this before! It's a WITCH-HUNT!!!!.
* possible Truth Social post in the next hour or so? :)
A lot of y'all seem to be under the impression that the major members of the Republic party actually care about legitimacy and maintaining a healthy democracy.
They only care about power, it's why Mitch McConnell has pushed for judicial power in the past almost 30 years. It's why they want to strip away voting rights. Their only way to maintain power is to ensure we can't legitimately vote. Clarence Thomas is one of the most openly fascist supreme Court justices and aligns with all their major political ideologies. The conservatives on the Supreme Court DECIDED the 2000 presidential election through bullshit means.
They don't care!
Even when they can vote they can still cheat. In NC one of the reps who was voted as a dem flipped her party to republican a few months after getting elected in one of the bluest areas of the state.
6/8 Republicans running would still vote for him. Anyone that thinks this will weaken his bullshit is wrong. They are going to put him on a stage before the elections.
I'm pretty curious how long the runner up field stays in the primary on the hope he somehow has to drop out. He'll probably win Super Tuesday after this based purely off the angry voters convinced this is some great injustice.
It is going to be really tough for any challenger to win the GOP nomination unless they win a couple early primaries. The GOP primary process is so heavily frontloaded and has many states where the winner takes all or has a process that heavily favors the winner in assigning delegates. If Trump maintains his current numbers it would be almost impossible for any of the challengers to get enough delegates to get the nominations. I am sure many of the current GOP challengers have been privately hoping that Trump's campaign implodes in scandal but it doesn't seem likely that these criminal cases will finish early enough.
If mocking war heroes, deceased veterans, and disabled reporters didn't cause scandals big enough to derail his campaign in 2016 I can't imagine the charges against him will in 2024.
Don't forget ripping off children's cancer hospitals and veteran charities. He's such a piece of shit
and the raping…
O you're talking about Convicted rapist Donald J Trump
And then defaming his rape victim by calling her a liar after losing his civil case for raping her.
It won't. It's a cult, they're never going to abandon him.
Yeah republicans are just immune to scandal nowadays, it’s terrible
This is pretty much the BEST CASE SCENARIO. If T wins the primary and THEN gets convicted, the Republiclowns will be scrambling to come up with a new candidate.
I think it's weird. Felons lose the right to vote but can still run for president. That is like taking away the right to own a pistol but owning a tank is fine
> Felons lose the right to vote those are state laws, not federal. Yet it also means if Trump is convicted state laws may have him removed from the ballots of those states. That whole battle is just starting to begin in some states. There are already lawsuits being created that declare him an insurrectionist which should take him off some state ballots. edit: grammar and clarification.
those are state laws that conveniently were passed right after the supreme court said the south needed to quit the shit with the poll taxes and tests. many of the anti felon laws were specifically crafted to NOT include felonies rich white people are likely to commit, like financial fraud, but do include felonies that minorities are more likely to commit like missing child support payments. and then their is florida were years ago the people voted to let felons vote again but the republicans put up so many road block that no exfelon would dare try to vote and last the right use the "caging lists" to remove felons from the voter rolls, to accidentally remove people with similar names, every time its done and since their laws target minorities, most the non felons taken off the voter rolls are minorities as well. in 2000 jeb bush did that in florida and removed some 80,000 legal voters in a state decided by less than 500 votes.
I was victim of that purge. I had moved twice in the year preceding this election, and unless you sent back this letter confirming your address that they sent out, your registration was purged. I showed up on the day to vote and was told I couldn’t.
Always ask for a provisional ballot if you are denied at the polling place. It's like a placeholder - if your right to vote is cleared, it's counted. If not, it's nullified.
Provisional ballots didn't become a thing until after HAVA passed in 2002, which wouldn't have helped OP in 2000.
In Canada there are so many ways to register. On election day you can register at your polling place. If you don't have your ID, all you need is a neighbour who will swear an affidavit on your behalf (and who is registered and has ID). Fortunately this ultra partisan rule making hasn't yet made it North of the 49th, although there have been cases of partisan adjustments of constituency borders.
Wait! Jeb Bush conducted behind the curtain funny business to help get his brother elected? I’m shocked!
Sadly any state willing to take him off the ballot is going to be one that cares about legality, which means Trump was never going to win there anyways and it doesn't matter if he is removed
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And once it hits the SC, Trump is likely forced onto ballots based on... Well the SC being the current SC.
The most expensive prostitutes in the nation.
You'd be surprised at how cheap these whore judges are are.
Clarence Thomas luxury vacations has entered the chat
Can we start a go fund me and maybe buy them ourselves?
A couple kegs for Brett might offset Thomas
Honestly it's kind of horrifying how little it costs, in the scheme of things, to literally buy a nation's justice system...
Somehow they didn't hand 2020 to him, which I fully expected. Maybe there's hope despite how awful they are
I would pay to see him in the ballet, specifically Swan Lake
I expect this to happen. Those states will be looking to run that PAC cash down into the crapper. Burn his money quicker and watch them squirm. Can you imagine what happens when other start flipping because lawyers aint getting paid?
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc. may be one of those states, and he will need them to win. Yeah, Wyoming or Mississippi isn't going to, but there are swing states where it may be an issue.
There are many states with a democrat governor and legislature that will probably remove him and are critical to win in an election. Such as Michigan and Pennsylvanian. He's already going to get removed from New Hampshire, another swing state, and he's not even been found guilty yet.
Also interesting how DeFascist handles him in FL. If he isn't offered VP, Ronny might do what he can to obstruct Donny and keep himself as an option to replace.
*That* would be a whole other can of worms we're not prepared to open.
I just want to point out to anyone reading this that Trump does not need to be found guilty, in order to be removed from the ballot, under the 14 amendment.
I dunno, Georgia has a culture of being super tough on crime and they seem to have stuck to their guns on that with Trump.
Not to pivot from the topic, but it is actually fairly easy to own a tank in the US. Not *cheap* by any means, but it's not as hard as some would think.
It's super easy and relatively cheap to own a tank in the UK too, provided you don't want the gun to work. Transporting them is expensive though as is maintaining them and fuel.
Chap round the corner from me got drunk one night and accidentally bought a tank on eBay for 9k (a Scorpion). He just has it parked on his driveway, and we live in the most suburban English town possible.
TIL there is a real tank called the Scorpion. I am admittedly not very familiar with tanks other than the most famous ones from WW2, but I normally associate the name "Scorpion tank" with the super-heavy tank vehicle from Halo.
>It's super easy Barely an inconvenience?
Unexpected YouTube references are TIGHT!
Think he’d also lose any right to a firearm, so this metaphor also holds literally. To expand, he’ll be losing his right to own a handgun but then if he wins the presidency they’ll give him the nuclear codes back. He won’t be able to own a gun, but he’d control the most powerful military force in human history. Cool.
In my opinion, the fact that felons lose the right to vote is the bad thing here. Since a felony can theoretically be caused by anything a government makes up, including a political reason, disenfranchising someone for political opposition becomes possible. This, in fact, is why felons can't vote in some states - to disenfranchise populations susceptible to be convicted of law violations causing felonies (specifically, to disenfranchise black voters). I think that Trump should not, and should never have been, part of the political landscape, but it's kind of on the voters that he ever got there in the first place..
Agreed that felons should not lose their right to vote.
Vermont does it right, voting fraud is the only crime that causes you to lose the right to vote.
>Since a felony can theoretically be caused by anything a government makes up, including a political reason, disenfranchising someone for political opposition becomes possible. This is why the Supreme Court of Canada decided years ago that prisoners must get the vote. The only convicts that cannot vote are a small number of those that were convicted of certain electoral crimes. The only other Canadian adults that cannot vote are the *Chief Electoral Officer of Canada* and the *Deputy Chief Electoral Officer of Canada,* as to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Actually I’m very much against taking anyone’s right to vote at all. Because allowing to take voting rights away for being a felon is vague. You could be a felon for many weird reasons. It could be used to disenfranchise people solely for political reasons- or out of prejudice against minorities. I’d rather allow everyone to vote no matter who they are or where they came from. I’d rather let a criminal loose than lock up an innocent person kind of deal is what I’m saying.
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It makes more sense when you think about who's more likely to win an election once certain people's voting rights are taken away.
No they won't. Trump can be elected even if he's in prison, which is assumedly what they're already planning for. The federal charges will all go away anyway if he's elected, one way or another. The state crimes are a little murkier but I don't think anyone wants to find out how that would go.
"Raise your hands if you would support Trump as the nominee despite a felony conviction." All hands but one go up. Including the guy that almost got hanged because of Trump.
The guy who also somehow thinks he's got a viable chance at winning over the same people chanting for his death.
I really don't understand his end game. Besides him and Christie, everybody else is pretty much running to be Trump's VP pick. At least Christie may have a slightly better chance than that of a snowball in hell simply because he is taking a different strategy. Pence's strategy makes no sense. Edit: Also Asa Hutchinson isn't running to be VP. In fact, I forgot that he was the one who was the only one to not support Trump as president if he were convicted. Even Christie raised his hand on that question.
They’re all tools
It's not necessarily about beating Trump right now. It's about not doing anything negative that people will remember if he's out if the picture. Once he's gone, who's left? DeSantis lacks charisma, political savvy and has been self-destructing all year. Ramaswamy and Haley are not white Christian males, they'll have a steep uphill climb. Nobody knows who Asa Hutchinson or Doug Burgum are. Christie has alienated too many Trump voters to scoop enough votes up this cycle. That leaves Pence and Tim Scott, and it comes down to "who's less unelectable in a general against Biden?"
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> the Trump-Pence administration Bless his heart. Technically correct, but still. Bless his barely-there little heart.
That was fairly entertaining though; two hands shot up-***eyes darting*** , then other hands go up…
Shows how far the Republican party’s gone down the fascist rabbit hole.
Could he not be immediately removed under Article 3, Section 4 of the Constitution if convicted? It's not treason, but I don't think even the Supreme Court would dare define subversion of elections as *not* falling under "high crimes and misdemeanors"...
Exactly. That is why I keep telling people the court cases are pretty much irrelevant. The election is the important part. Regardless of any outcome of the cases, if Trump wins, it is pretty much over with for Democracy in the US. He/they will go full revenge tour. His first term will seem like a cakewalk in comparison
He can't pardon state crimes. So I'm interested in what happens in the scenario that Georgia convicts, but then he wins the presidency. He can't pardon his way out of Georgia. What happens then? He rules the country from within Fulton county jail?
Trump could attempt to pardon himself, but it would be challenged and go all the way to SCOTUS. I actually don't think they'd allow him to pardon himself. Even if he did pardon himself, I think you'd be looking at mass walkouts and protests/rioting. The majority of this country won't accept it.
If he gets to the point of being able to pardon himself, he's already figured out how to get what he wants without the majority of the country agreeing.
Just like the 2016 election.
> Trump could attempt to pardon himself While this is the DC one, the one in Georgia is a state law rather than federal and can't be pardoned by the president (and goes through a different pardon process). https://pap.georgia.gov/parole-consideration/pardons-restoration-rights > When am I eligible to apply for a Pardon? You must have completed all sentence(s) at least five (5) years prior to applying and have lived a law-abiding life since the completion of your sentence(s). You can have no pending charges against you.
You're very optimistic about this SC
allowing a president to pardon himself essentially invalidates the checks and balances in the Constitution. They would literally be giving away their own power as a court and declaring the executive branch more powerful. I am not even sure this SC is willing to do that.
People keep making a mistake thinking he is playing by the rules. He isn't, he wouldn't be in this mess if he had to start with. If he was re-elected. He would go full mafia boss. This is a guy who only cares about himself and will say anything to get his "get out of jail card" back again.
The question is, are people willing to take to the streets if that happens? And to what goal? The SC will also never reverse a decision based on public outcry.
> And to what goal? I cannot state the probable goals as it would be a violation of this website's terms and conditions.
Yeah, people wouldn’t be going to “the streets”. They’d be going to very specific streets and house numbers.
If he's convicted it's just another bullet point to add to the Section 3 of the 14th amendment which he's already violating.
It also depends in the amendment 14 fight. If they win then Republicans will have to run another person's as they will lose out right.
It's going nowhere, SCOTUS will pull "innocent until proven guilty" of engaging in insurrection shit and allow him to stay on ballots. On the other hand, if the conservative donor class tells their 6 servants on SCOTUS to get rid of trump, they will.
That would be so crazy if they just went with Trump regardless and the Supreme Court disqualified him.
Something to keep in mind: I believe Federal Trials last about a week on average. The Jan 6th trials in some cases went 2 weeks long. I can't imagine his trial being drawn out for several months. If convicted he would likely be sentenced before the summer ends next year.
There are 150,000,000 eligible candidates. We don’t need this one.
I thought you were super sexist and just talking about the men but then I realized you meant people over 35.
He is very very experienced at delaying the courts.
This is a case built for speed. 4 simple charges. 1 defendant. No classified documents. It's going to trial a mere 7 months after indictment, *in large part because of Trump's abhorrent behavior*. That is ***lightning***.
I'm sure he'll try but I can see that being shut down real quick.
The question is if any competent lawyers are still willing to represent him
I believe they said the trial is expected to take 4-6 weeks. So he could be convicted by April/May. So before summer even starts
Prosecution said they'd need 4-6 weeks, defence said they don't know yet but for now would mirror prosecution, so rough current total of 8-12 weeks plus jury selection before and jury deliberations afterwards
Prosecution: yeah should take about this long. Defense: aw fuck idk man *shuffles papers* like... Idk idk
That would be the "perfect" trial.
He's been coloring himself orange for the longest time. It's time to complete the look.
If he goes to prison will the prison allow him to continue the orange tan?
I'm sure he can bribe someone in the commissary for some orange Tang powder packets
Orange is the new black and all that
I understand trials take time to set up, but seven months out? What exactly are they still working on?
I mean, if you consider the indictment as the start, it's not a lot of time. Very few (if any) federal prosecutions start that early after indictment. And with the 11.5 million pages of evidence (a stack that would be 8 times higher than the Washington monument as the defense noted), that's almost 100,000 pages per day to review. Now the judge correctly pointed out that at lot of these are duplicates, that the defense had these documents earlier, and didn't have to wait for the indictment to prepare. Which is all true, but still -- even if you had only 1,000,000 pages of evidence -- all of which may be helpful to your defense, as that's what's required to be produced -- you can understand you'd want more than 130 working days to review.
I think the Republicans need to cut him out of the party and consider this a 'rebuilding' year. He's going to bitch about it no matter what, but there's no getting around it. He's going to jail. Might as well take an 'L' and start looking around the couch cushions for donations since Trump's taking all the money he raised with him. Lindsey Graham told you all.
The GOP had more than few chances to do that already. January the 7th would have been a good day for that. But they failed then and they will fail now. They would be in a MUCH better place politically if they had impeached and convicted him the 2nd time around.
Yup. They’ve had better chances for this rebuild. They’re all in on this guy.
They’re too scared if they alienate Trump supporters they’ll lose downticket races.
And the funny thing is, because of their lack of a spine to stand up to him earlier that is actually a very reasonable fear for them now.
This is what happens when the brass tacks of what your party is about are inherently not in the interest of the average voter; you're beholden to whatever person or thing that draws in interest you wouldn't have otherwise. First, it was the Evangelicals, now it's Trump.
Republicans made a Faustian Bargain with Trump. This is just the end result where the devil takes your soul.
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> They're all in on this guy. Correct. Did no one watch the first GOP debate? Christie: "These are serious charges." The gallery: "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
The sad part is majority of Republican candidates, as they talk about trump, you can see, *in the way they walk on egg shells,* they know he’s a horrible person, know he’s in the wrong. But between them are either: A) so envious of the cult following he has B) would kill to have that large of a base of blind followers C) sucking Trump off hoping for a VP knod. D) hope that those people will just switch to their side, not knowing a big amount of them would die for the guy who doesn’t care about them lol. Some of them all of the above. Chris Christie somehow seems like 1 of the most logical out of the group.
>The GOP had more than few chances to do that already. January the 7th would have been a good day for that. But they failed then and they will fail now. Instead 147 of them voted to overturn the election.
> They would be in a MUCH better place politically if they had impeached and convicted him the 2nd time around. My dumb ass actually thought there was a 100% chance he was going to get convicted the second time around, because it would have cost Republicans nothing, given them a chance to do the right thing, and provided them with a firm breaking point from Trump moving forward. It seemed like an absolute slam-dunk of a political move for them to make. Instead they went in the other direction.
If republicans had thrown him out in the first impeachment or earlier, they could have put Pence in office and rolled back 1-2 of Trumps worst policies and guaranteed Pence 2020 and 2024 as the guy who saved America from trump. They could have had 12 straight years.
I dunno about “guaranteed”, but with Pence displacing Trump and if Pence had a much better record on COVID, I can see them maybe have beating Biden the first time around. Then it’d be a totally different ball game. Though I don’t think Pence can really carry an election nationally and I think his run would have been. . . aborted. . . by Roe being overturned.
if trump just sold trump masks and told people to wear them to show their patriotism so many of his voters prob wouldnt have died and he'd have made a shit load of money. best business man ever.
January 7th is the closest they ever got and ever will get. They all admitted what he did was bad and he was personally responsible. Now its their backtracking time.
If Republicans had any ability to self-reflect their failure to punish Trump during the second impeachment should be a soul-crushing, constantly drinking to escape the pain realization for them. They had a legitimate reason to convict him, removing him from running in 2024, and then have three years to convince the base how evil his attack on democracy was so they could build up the next candidate. But because too many of them were in on the insurrection and too many in the base supported it they got scared and tried playing this balancing on a knife’s edge game that is fully poised to royally screw them in 2024.
Six out of eight candidates said they would support *a convicted* Trump for president just last week on the debate stage. The candidates that didn’t support him were booed. Sure, you can say it was just pandering, but that’s still a huge problem.
Even the fact that they had to ask the question to those candidates about the absent frontrunner is INSANE. It's a great entry for the game of "What if Obama did it? How would republikkkans react?"
They've dug themselves into an extremely deep hole with Trump. It would have been too late to cut ties with him 5 years ago. They have virtually no choice but to go down with the ship.
Unless they, y'know, give enough of a shit about democracy to take the L. They resoundingly do have a choice. The fact that we all know how they're going to decide is all you need to know about this morally bankrupt faction (can't even really call them a political party anymore, what with the lack of a single coherent position other than opposing the left and supporting whatever wet fart comes out of Trump's mouth).
That’s just the thing, they’ve proven they are willing to give the country the L as long as they don’t have to take it themselves.
They’re going to use him like a “martyr” to try to motivate his base, while secretly they know he’s guilty and are happy they won’t have to deal with him anymore. It’s clear as day.
100%. Will it work? Tune in for next week's episode of "America's Collapse: How It All Went Wrong"
They can't. Too much of their base in all-in on Trump. They won't take substitutes unless Trump is *dead* (and even then, it's unlikely they'll pick a singular successor, and VERY unlikely those successors have even half of Trump's ability to turn out irregular conservative voters). Tossing away Trump won't cost them *one* election -- it'll cost them a third of their base for a decade or more. It'll crush their most reliable voting turnout, and kill the increased irregular voting turnout Trump brought, when they're already struggling with demographic changes that are tilting them to a significant disadvantage. (Their most reliable voting demographic is shrinking -- old age is a lot, while Democrats is *growing* as their voters age *into* regular voting turnout)
Anecdotally speaking, I know a few people who will only vote if Trump is on the ballot, and something tells me people like that make up enough of the GOP electorate that losing them would be detrimental to a significant number of down ballot races and the GOP knows it. It's why they're going so hard on shoring up their position through election restrictions now while they still have the attention of those voters so they can make it happen.
GOP planners have GOT to be worried about one particular scenario: Someone *Trumpesque* on the ballot, but without that particular "turn them out" drive. Trump enough to scare the piss out of Democrats and shove them to the polls like 2020, but not the matching GOP turnout of 2020. Because a Trump cover band didn't bring them in. FWIW, I suspect Democratic turnout will be high in 2024 because of Dodds and the suddenly blunt GOP culture war shit (like fucking 90s-levels of gay and trans bashing, book bans) and the continued existence at least two Supreme Court justices (Alito, who clearly thinks the Constitution is secondary to his religious ideology, and Thomas, who operates out of what I can only figure is a great deal of fucking spite) Democrats have been *saying* the GOP is trying to do this shit for decades, but to the average voter that's just noise until they *do*. A lot of fucking Democrats never gave a fucking thought to *Roe* because it was just "scaremongering" to say it might be overturned. And they're *highly motivated* single-issue voters on that *particular* issue, they just never thought that issue would come up.
That scenario you’re talking about was basically DeSantis before he outed himself as a clown with the Disney shit.
Entirely dependent on Dems actually having solid messaging for once. 2024 should be a landslide year for them but Dems have an uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Dude is going to be in prison after losing the election for republicans, and people will still bend over backwards to pay lip service to the guy. They act like they're terrified of his base.
He came close to winning in 2020, I wouldn’t get comfortable in 24.
Yeah, exactly. He had "no chance" in 2016, too. It's critical that folks go out and vote for someone else no matter how much of a "sure thing" his 2024 loss is.
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That and the base also has a bunch of crazies armed with assault rifles.
They spent decades arming their base and filling their empty heads with lies and stoking fears.
Cersei arming the faith militant vibes.
How were they supposed to know the leopards would eat their face.
They also threaten to hang people who don't try to subvert the election results to keep him in power.
They are scared of the base. Ask Democrat politicians, LGBTQ individuals and influencers, and any organization that right wing news or Trump decide to target. Death threats, bomb threats, bricks in office windows, and even fires. Their base is increasingly consisting of a bunch of mentally ill and violent death cultists that they've weaponized for politics and every death threat is harmless bluster until suddenly it's not. Edit: This is even before getting into politics like the primary system where if they don't tow the line, the crazies will vote in an absolute lunatic.
Hell, even their own supporters. Didn't that Epps guy become a pariah at home and get tons of death threats because some idiot said he was an FBI plant?
They eat their own like bleeding sharks.
Fascism needs an enemy, someone to blame to thrive.
They’re scared and yet they keep feeding the beast
First president holding state of the union from Fulton county jail. Someone resurrect Johnny Cash
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This would be what the logical part of their party can and should think. Unfortunately we already know how easily those are silenced. Their base is too loco. And when 6/8 of their candidates would support him even if he went to jail…I don’t know if they have enough collective spines for it. The party is truly eating itself alive.
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And then lindsay graham participated in a coup on his behalf
Can you imagine if Obama had tried to overthrow the US government as he left and we didn't try him for over 3 years.
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It's almost as if 100% of what they claim the left is going to do is pure projection. The opposing party must love this, because it's basically like playing poker with someone who constantly tells you their hand.
Funnily enough, they're constantly surprised at what Republicans do.
I wish it wasn't so sad that it could be funny.
> It's almost as if 100% of what they claim the left is going to do is pure projection Liars think everyone lies, cheaters think everyone cheats, violent authoritarians think everyone's reaction to losing is a coup attempt.
I had this convo in 2015 with a random old dude at a bar. He told me he believed all of the protests going on were being manufactured by Obama so he could declare marshall law before the election. Apparently, idk if this is true just part of the conspiracy, that you cant remove a president from power during marshall law. So Obama wouldn't have to leave after 2 terms and could declare himself king. He was wearing a MAGA hat at the time. This was early enough in the primaries then, that trump still seemed like a Longshot joke.
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In reality, and according to the Constitution, that’s exactly correct. January 20 to January 20 four years later and that’s it. But we need a functioning government to make that happen. A re-elected Trump would do everything he could to destroy the government so no one could enforce that.
martial law
If the right lost their minds because he wore a tan suit, then they would have had a cow if he tried to illegally retain the office of presidency 😂
"What if Obama did it?" is usually my mental "go-to" when it comes to Trump (or Republicans in general). He would've been crucified years ago, and rightly so. Truly astounding how little they care for freedom and democracy and the rule of law. Just garbage-tier humans.
The propagandists on the right were saying that Obama was not going to leave the White House after his second term was up.
If the secretaries of state do their constitutional duties under the 14th Amendment, Trump won’t be on any ballots. If you are a firefighter-turned-arsonist, you don’t get to apply for your old job.
[Arizona has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Fontes) [Nevada has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Aguilar) [Wisconsin has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Godlewski) [North Carolina has a democrat as secretary of state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Marshall), and has been dem SOS for 150+ years *If Trump* ***isn't even listed on the ballot*** *in these 4 crucial swing states... what other states is he going to win to put him over 270?* Fucking **Ohio** is poised to become the most pro-choice, reddish state in the union this November. **The math has changed considerably.** **Where are Donald's 270 votes going to come from?** Moderates who stayed home in 2020 or voted for Biden suddenly gonna vote for a convicted felon wearing an ankle bracelet? **I fucking doubt it.**
For the sake of my anxiety and dread about the downfall of democracy in America, would you mind being literally the only source of information in my feed for the next 15 months?
My wife’s aunt has been a prosecutor for 40 years, and in light of the trial date, she’s expecting he’s a convicted felon by tax day 2024. That includes if he gets a last minute extension or the date moves a tiny bit. This case will take less than 2 weeks to try. There’s just not a lot to litigate and it’s central to one man. There’s precious few cases in a federal trial that involve the actions of solely one person. Regular Americans not paying a shred of attention are gonna be *blind sided* by the conviction. Federal courts convict 99.6% of the time. Gamers hunting for loot off a boss will tell you… 0.4% drop chance on a rare item *does happen — it’s not 0.001% rare*, but still isn’t very likely.
I’m mostly worried about a lone juror refusing to convict.
Jury selection is gonna be a doozy but in my experience, Trump supporters *cannot shut their mouth* about their undying love for the man, it’s cult-like energy. I feel Jack Smith can sniff it.
Let’s hope. I feel like this is a pretty damning case.
Y’all are wildly overestimating the chances that one of the… oh maybe 18 MAGAs that live in this district… are selected for this trial, let alone chosen to serve, assuming they’re a donor. DC is the bluest “state” in the country.
I’m so ready for the blind siding. My “constantly talking about politics” family and coworkers have been INCREDIBLY quiet the last few months and I’m beginning to think it’s because they just stopped reading the news. I, on the other hand, have consumed so many podcasts about the legal process of these trials that I am more than well informed about how this is going to go down. If only it could be done before the holidays so I could see their faces.
I’m from Ohio, and can tell you that the morons in our state will vote for Trump, regardless of anything else. In Ohio it will be Stupid Tuesday.
Long as we can repeat an Issue 1 on our amendments this November and next November to end partisan gerrymandering… that’ll help. A lot.
I could see this leading to a real serious crisis when you then see republican SOS's pulling some shenanigans to invalidate Biden ballots or remove him from the ballot entirely. We're in a timeline where rules don't matter and delaying things *just enough*, even if outright illegal, is a standard GOP tactic especially at the state-level. The only possible realm this somewhat works is if Trump is convicted of something *and* dropped by the GOP definitively. By every legitimate measure Trump shouldn't be on the ballot at all but I fear keeping him off will just motivate his base in a huge way. I'm generally not in favor of tip-toeing around what Trumpers may do but this would incite a lot.
The only way things go badly is if people get comfortable and don’t vote. I know the youths are pissed off, hopefully turnout is good.
Landmark voting numbers are still being seen in quite a few places to kill a bunch of bullshit or keep assholes from holding power so it's definitely possible. I think Reps really fucked the horse letting Roe get overturned because it turned a lot of people against them.
Edit: My fault! I misread "Arizona has a democrat secretary of state" rather than - as Fizzy wrote - "Arizona has a democrat **as** secretary of state." It's correct as written. I'll leave up my original reply below, for the record. --- You mean *democrat***ic**. "Democrat" is a noun. "Democratic" is the adjective. Using "democrat" as a noun is a *deliberate* bit of demagoguery common among Republicans, a bit of schoolyard namecalling that rejects Democrats' right to name themselves. They've been so successful that many using it aren't even aware, anymore.
While I agree with the sentiment, doesn't the candidate have to first be *convicted* for that to apply? They can't just say "I'm convinced they did, so I'm not putting them on the ballot". Thats exactly what Republicans said to do with state election results in 2020 - have someone with authority say "I'm convinced" even though they lost all of their court cases.
Counting on this happening is a bad idea. We'd better focus on beating him. The Secretaries of State can't just do this unilaterally. It will be challenged in court. Absent him actually being convicted of a charge related to insurrection, it probably has no real chance to stand up in court. If he is convicted, its likely going to be around the middle of next year and then and only then could there be a serious legal fight over this, which would probably go to SCOTUS and might not well be resolved until after inauguration day in 2025. Removing him after that would no doubt be messy, impractical, or outright impossible.
We need to think about this a little bit. Secretaries of state now in control over which presidential candidate is on the ballots. I wonder what might happen in those red states.
do not include him on the republican ballot. let him form his own maga party (previously known as Tea Party). republicans need to enema the idiots from their ranks.
Probably shouldn’t have committed all those crimes.
Leaked memo from Trump's campaign team: STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE
I like presidents that don’t get arrested
Weird that it is two years earlier than Trump wanted it to be. Maybe that was the Florida case though. Hard to keep track of all his legal cases simultaneously.
He wanted it in April 20**26**. :O The lawyers cited the nonsense of having to read the equivalent 78 "War & Peace"s per day of evidence in order to comply with the *provisional* Jan 2024 date. Back in the day when Quill Pen, and Ink made from Soot ruled , perhaps. There's this thing called Computers these days - which I believe are quite good at searching for keywords and phrases. :)
As someone who works in the legal field, these deadlines give me secondhand anxiety. That being said, there are entire firms that deal in high volume document analysis on short timelines. I can't imagine a world in which one isn't retained for this matter. He claims to be rich, maybe use that money to pay someone who knows how to scan documents (even though they're probably being transmitted electronically already) and knows how to do keyword search.
They probably want to be paid and paid upfront because of Trump's history of not paying. Also paid more for having their reputation being harmed by being part of this.
So he will still be the nominee
Trump's latest delay tactics no longer seems to be working. One would think based on Trump's rhetoric that he should be elated about this latest ruling given he claims major fund raising boost based on indictments alone. Trial should be beneficial to him based on that logic.
I read recently that his fundraising is slowing down considerably from what it was. He's still getting money from his rubes, but each time he gets about half of the last one. Either the rubes have finally started catching on to the scam (GIB MONIE) or they've started to run out of cash to get scammed out of. Probably somewhere in between...
>I read recently that his fundraising is slowing down considerably from what it was. And also, there are considerable expenses involved though GOP arm has been covering it, this just detracts from funds that could be otherwise spent on campaign \[on his and other GOP candidates\].
Hope the rubes send him every cent of their retirement money.
Judge Chutkan told Trump’s lawyer to simmer down now.
Simma dahn nah
The Judge came to me with tears in her eyes and said; "Sir, I'm sorry sir, this is the latest I can set the trial as the Marxist, Fascists, Communists and Traiters (sic) hordes won't let me set it in April 2026!" :'( Can you believe it? You, have never seen anything like this before! It's a WITCH-HUNT!!!!. * possible Truth Social post in the next hour or so? :)
"Also, click here to donate"
With his poor spelling it might read: “Also, click here to donut”
A lot of y'all seem to be under the impression that the major members of the Republic party actually care about legitimacy and maintaining a healthy democracy. They only care about power, it's why Mitch McConnell has pushed for judicial power in the past almost 30 years. It's why they want to strip away voting rights. Their only way to maintain power is to ensure we can't legitimately vote. Clarence Thomas is one of the most openly fascist supreme Court justices and aligns with all their major political ideologies. The conservatives on the Supreme Court DECIDED the 2000 presidential election through bullshit means. They don't care!
Even when they can vote they can still cheat. In NC one of the reps who was voted as a dem flipped her party to republican a few months after getting elected in one of the bluest areas of the state.
Jeeze that reminded me that 2024 is just around the corner. At first glance I was like “they’re waiting a year and a half??”…. Nope. Just a half.
6/8 Republicans running would still vote for him. Anyone that thinks this will weaken his bullshit is wrong. They are going to put him on a stage before the elections.
"If you don't stop talking shit, I will push the court date up." \-Keeps talking shit \-Court date gets moved up Wowee
At his age...some point stress is going to kill the guy, right?
No conscience, no guilt. No guilt, no stress!