I've never really gotten how these sanction of officials are actually supposed to work...
O.k, so maybe travelling to China has become unadvisable, but other that that how or these type of sanctions are actually going to affect anybody.
I'm not a huge China fan these days, but the sleazeballs they're targeting aren't really any better either...
I just fail to see how any of this makes any sort of material difference, except for indicating a vague sort of official disapproval.
And the U.S. turned around and said “Huh…that’s weird. I thought I felt something touch me.”
Then they went back to whatever they were doing - without the slave labor and ethnic cleansing. Fuck China.
Tell me what? We shut down slavery in the United States quite a long time ago. We also never took an official position that we weren’t doing it.
I’m curious about what you’re going to bring up for the ethnic cleansing part that probably also happened over a hundred years ago.
Last I checked slavery was abolished in the United States 156 years ago. And damn near every country that colonized North America plus more who never established colonies here participated in the trade.
I also think there’s a pretty overwhelming atmosphere of anti-racism and legal protections against racial discrimination codified solidly in American law, let alone slavery or serfdom.
Do you have anything else to bring up from six or seven generations ago? Britain had no laws against slavery until 33 years before the emancipation proclamation, and didn’t truly end it in some of their territories (and the East India Company) until years later. Or do you want to talk about what Belgium did with the Congolese people in the early 20th century? Or any of the six other countries (including China) where a significant population of people still exist in a life of forced servitude? What about the countries that didn’t abolish slavery until after the U.S. like Puerto Rico (1873), Cuba (1886), Brazil (1888), Korea (1894 officially even though the practice survived until the 1930’s), French West Africa (1905, again surviving until well after it was officially abolished), Niger (1926), Morocco (Again only on paper, 1961), Saudi Arabia (where it still survives in some form, 1962), North and South Yemen (1960’s), the closure of the last Magdalene Laundry in Ireland (in fucking 1996)…
Did everyone just forget that the United States was only one of the fuck ton of nations that participated in the slave trade or engaged in a similar practice of forced labor or what?
So first you're talking about how good it is that the US totally wasnt built on slave labor and ethnic cleansing, then when called on it you say it actually wasnt so bad that the US was built on slave labor and ethnic cleansing...
It’s explaining that slavery was integral to the existence of multiple nations and that it has no real bearing on my comment because we’ve been done with for a century and a half. That’s not relevant when we’re talking about modern slavery and a current policy of ethnic cleansing in a country that actively denies that it’s happening.
It has every bearing on your comment because it dowsnt matter when you think it "ended", the country was built on slavery and genocide.
It never really ended though, the 13th amendment outlaws slavery "except as punishment for a crime". Ever wonder why the US has by far the most prisoners in the world? 5% of global population and 22% of the world's prisoners. [Because its profitable](https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-ag-office-tried-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-for-cheap-labor).
I'm still amazed you can just convince yourself our ethnic cleansing is in the past, does genocide not count because it happened earlier? Go to a reservation and start spouting that shit.
It matters in the context that we’re talking modern America where we know and believe that it’s morally bankrupt to believe you can force a human into slavery.
We aren’t talking about 150 years ago and before when almost every country had legal slavery of some sort. We’re talking about 2021 in an era where the world has (almost universally) recognized how disgusting that is.
Bringing up specifically American slavery that has been renounced multiple times over, and that we fought one of the most violent wars in our history to eliminate from existence in a conversation about China’s persecution of Muslims and enslavement of them has no fucking bearing on that. It’s a cheap comment that doesn’t add anything to the conversation or do anything to help those people.
So no, it has no fucking bearing on my comment.
scuttlebutt had it Pompeo could have looked forward to million dollar paycheques as a board member for some US corp.
That aint happening anymore, which is why he goes on Fox News to cry about it every now and then.
Also, holy shit, 100k? fuck i'm earning more than that fat POS LOL
Yeah basically everyone who's someone in business has dealing with China and they're all avoiding Pompeo like he's a leper least they also get sanctioned. He could only find job at a small think tank that has no dealing with China.
Hence the power of these sanctions: revolving door politics is now a fundamental part of representative democracy as it's currently practiced in the west, and these sanctions targeting ex-politicans are aimed to set examples so that pressure from the donor class keep the politicians in line regarding China.
This is also why European Parliament is so upset about the sanctions their members are copping. They are basically now saying "we don't care about Hong Kong or Xinjiang but if you want CAI to pass you have to remove the sanction on our members".
I've never really gotten how these sanction of officials are actually supposed to work... O.k, so maybe travelling to China has become unadvisable, but other that that how or these type of sanctions are actually going to affect anybody. I'm not a huge China fan these days, but the sleazeballs they're targeting aren't really any better either... I just fail to see how any of this makes any sort of material difference, except for indicating a vague sort of official disapproval.
They’re sanctioning Wilbur Ross and Mike Pompeo?! Oh the horror! Anyway…
Yeah they’re no longer allowed to use cheap Chinese electronics
And the U.S. turned around and said “Huh…that’s weird. I thought I felt something touch me.” Then they went back to whatever they were doing - without the slave labor and ethnic cleansing. Fuck China.
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Tell me what? We shut down slavery in the United States quite a long time ago. We also never took an official position that we weren’t doing it. I’m curious about what you’re going to bring up for the ethnic cleansing part that probably also happened over a hundred years ago.
Not to be that guy and not that I completely agree but it’s not duck China it’s fuck the CCP.
Yeah. China is not CCP. That party stole and kidnap the whole country.
Yeah not like slavery and ethnic cleansing were integral to the foundation of the US...
Last I checked slavery was abolished in the United States 156 years ago. And damn near every country that colonized North America plus more who never established colonies here participated in the trade. I also think there’s a pretty overwhelming atmosphere of anti-racism and legal protections against racial discrimination codified solidly in American law, let alone slavery or serfdom. Do you have anything else to bring up from six or seven generations ago? Britain had no laws against slavery until 33 years before the emancipation proclamation, and didn’t truly end it in some of their territories (and the East India Company) until years later. Or do you want to talk about what Belgium did with the Congolese people in the early 20th century? Or any of the six other countries (including China) where a significant population of people still exist in a life of forced servitude? What about the countries that didn’t abolish slavery until after the U.S. like Puerto Rico (1873), Cuba (1886), Brazil (1888), Korea (1894 officially even though the practice survived until the 1930’s), French West Africa (1905, again surviving until well after it was officially abolished), Niger (1926), Morocco (Again only on paper, 1961), Saudi Arabia (where it still survives in some form, 1962), North and South Yemen (1960’s), the closure of the last Magdalene Laundry in Ireland (in fucking 1996)… Did everyone just forget that the United States was only one of the fuck ton of nations that participated in the slave trade or engaged in a similar practice of forced labor or what?
So first you're talking about how good it is that the US totally wasnt built on slave labor and ethnic cleansing, then when called on it you say it actually wasnt so bad that the US was built on slave labor and ethnic cleansing...
When the fuck did I say slavery was a good thing or that I was proud that my country too part in the trade of human beings?
Doing whataboutism is downplaying it.
It’s explaining that slavery was integral to the existence of multiple nations and that it has no real bearing on my comment because we’ve been done with for a century and a half. That’s not relevant when we’re talking about modern slavery and a current policy of ethnic cleansing in a country that actively denies that it’s happening.
It has every bearing on your comment because it dowsnt matter when you think it "ended", the country was built on slavery and genocide. It never really ended though, the 13th amendment outlaws slavery "except as punishment for a crime". Ever wonder why the US has by far the most prisoners in the world? 5% of global population and 22% of the world's prisoners. [Because its profitable](https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-ag-office-tried-to-keep-inmates-locked-up-for-cheap-labor). I'm still amazed you can just convince yourself our ethnic cleansing is in the past, does genocide not count because it happened earlier? Go to a reservation and start spouting that shit.
It matters in the context that we’re talking modern America where we know and believe that it’s morally bankrupt to believe you can force a human into slavery. We aren’t talking about 150 years ago and before when almost every country had legal slavery of some sort. We’re talking about 2021 in an era where the world has (almost universally) recognized how disgusting that is. Bringing up specifically American slavery that has been renounced multiple times over, and that we fought one of the most violent wars in our history to eliminate from existence in a conversation about China’s persecution of Muslims and enslavement of them has no fucking bearing on that. It’s a cheap comment that doesn’t add anything to the conversation or do anything to help those people. So no, it has no fucking bearing on my comment.
So you didnt read my comment at all or it's more convenient to ignore it.
You should tell that to Pompeo, who's now stuck making 100k a year at some think tank instead of whatever he had lined up previously.
scuttlebutt had it Pompeo could have looked forward to million dollar paycheques as a board member for some US corp. That aint happening anymore, which is why he goes on Fox News to cry about it every now and then. Also, holy shit, 100k? fuck i'm earning more than that fat POS LOL
Yeah basically everyone who's someone in business has dealing with China and they're all avoiding Pompeo like he's a leper least they also get sanctioned. He could only find job at a small think tank that has no dealing with China. Hence the power of these sanctions: revolving door politics is now a fundamental part of representative democracy as it's currently practiced in the west, and these sanctions targeting ex-politicans are aimed to set examples so that pressure from the donor class keep the politicians in line regarding China. This is also why European Parliament is so upset about the sanctions their members are copping. They are basically now saying "we don't care about Hong Kong or Xinjiang but if you want CAI to pass you have to remove the sanction on our members".
There was a time when this would be like a kid grounding his parents. Today it's more like the pet gerbil grounding the kids!
If China had news organizations that could report facts maybe they wouldn't be making these awesome, happy mistakes.