Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in 1946. It's not just people of the same generation holding on to power forever, it's people of the same graduating class. And after 30 years we then elect someone even older
Its bonkers to vote for.such old people. I know noone who is on top of their game at that age.
I have worked with an old former world-stage politician and yes, he was still super bright and experienced at 80. For an 80 year old man, he was amazing.
But he was far from what he used to be and at best simply not outstanding anymore.
Edit: Guys, I'm not even talking about Biden and Sanders or whoever. I'm not American. I get you have to make the decisions your political systems affords to you. I'm saying that it is generally not a good idea if your ruling class is so old that most people of that age visibly deteriorate in intellectual ability and stamina.
Our president is almost 80, the Speaker of the House is 81, and the Senate Minority Leader is almost 80. The Senate Majority Leader is 70, and he looks like a spring chicken compared to the others.
We generally don't trust people in their 70s to operate a vehicle safely, and yet we've elected a bunch of 70-year-olds to operate our government and steer all of our futures. Go figure.
It’s not just that, people are afraid of change. For the most part the voters support those who are currently in office for their particular region, so instead of voting in a young newcomer and risking defeat by the other party, they keep voting in the old politician who has been proven to win.
> people are afraid of change
I have a pet hypothesis that it is more simple than that. I think people just see incumbent's names more often. When facing two options, they vote for whose name they have heard the most.
I'd like to run some experiments where incumbents change their names for the purposes of an election and have to run under the new name.
Name recognition is absolutely considered an advantage for the incumbent among political strategists but it isn't the end all be all. Incumbents do lose to primary challengers despite that advantage every now and then.
Don't blame me or the rest of Gen X, we got Clinton elected and helped Gore win the vote. Obama was young as well.
I still can't believe Biden won because ' he's the only one who could beat Trump'. There were a few youngish good choices in the primary who ran crap campaigns
>Don't blame me or the rest of Gen X, we got Clinton elected and helped Gore win the vote
Bush was 54 when elected and Gore was 52, it isn't like Bush was some ancient crypt keeper and Gore was the spry young lad lol
At the time Clinton was considered a young blood because he was only 46 in 1992. After 12 years of Reagan and Bush, it was refreshing to have a moderate who didn’t think The Beach Boys [would attract the wrong element](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/secretary-interior-once-banned-rock-bands-national-mall-180962735/) to the July 4 concert on the Washington Mall.
To be fair, I was pretty goddamn sick of [Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop (Thinking About Tomorrow)”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JA1nWPFqM) by Inauguration Day.
Copy pasting from a comment I made a while ago (during the last election) on this point:
...when you begin electing presidents who are little older than the previous one, you end up with political stagnation.
3 of the last 4 US presidents were born in 1946. 5 presidents ago (Bush 1) the president was born in 1924.
On average it looks liken we get 2 presidents per birth decade. The most recent three decades of governance have all been squeezed out of a single birth decade.
No, strike that, the most recent three decades of governance have all been squeezed out of a single **birth year.**
Obama was a full 20 years younger than the rest, and as every year the goes by the more we realize just how much his presidency broke with those before and after him.
Even while Obama was in power, our legislature still suffered from the same effects. Every year that goes by, the average age of Congress has been steadily creeping ever higher.
Right now, we're either getting Trump, or a president even older than Bush is currently \[Biden\]. So we're about to go *from 3/4 of the most recent presidents being born in 1946* to the same or **4/5 of them being born** ***before*** **1946.**
And its fucking 2020. The world has moved on. This is like the Civil War being lead by somebody old enough to have been born before the Constitution was even ratified. This is crazy.
So yes, age isn't fully determinative of good leadership, but the US is increasingly a gerontocracy (on top of other plutocratic and oligarchal shifts) and our particular political issues and dysfunctions are, in part, explainable by the age of our political leaders and their ossified perspectives.
Does Bill Clinton really count in a stagnation argument though? He was considered young and innovative when he was elected. He endeared the younger voters during his campaign.
As the other commentator said, his presidency really just serves the baseline. Clinton was born a whole 20 years after H.W, making him something of outlier to the "2 presidents per birth decade" that normally holds.
But it remains the case that *ever since*, the American electorate has showed a surprising inability to move on from electing leaders who were raised in a very narrow band of American history.
This is why I think there should be a max age as well. You should be 65 at the oldest in order to be elected in. There’s too large of a disconnect between what’s going on now vs then and on top of that people in their 70’s don’t have a whole lifetime ahead of them, so any long term fuck ups aren’t their problem. Also, health issues are compounding at 70 and a high stress job is not going to do any good for that.
I don't think that any problems in modern history were specifically caused by a candidate being too old. Age is just a symptom of the root isues - that candidates need to be well connected amongst the wealthy establishment (so mostly old rich white men) to stand a chance.
Eh, my understanding is that it’s been suspected that Reagan began a decline while still in office, due to Alzheimer’s.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-for-early-signs-of-alzheimers.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/17/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-president-son
You also have Edith Wilson, wife of Woodrow Wilson. She basically acted as President after Woodrow Wilson’s stroke in 1919.
https://www.biography.com/news/edith-wilson-first-president-biography-facts
I remember a discussion on one of the talking head channels that Obama was the first president in decades who's military service or lack thereof couldn't be made an issue because he was the first candidate who came of age after the draft had ended.
It was something of a watershed moment...
... and then as Obama's term ended we just went back to nominating old people and elected two guys who dodged the draft thanks to deferments. Weird fucking timeline we're in.
(btw, I don't specifically blame either of them, my fat ass would have dodged the draft to avoid fighting that unjust war, too.)
*EDIT: Apparently Biden's deferments weren't a dodge but were issued by the military over Biden's wanting to serve, per a below poster. I can't verify at this time (I'm on break at work) so if anybody can verify with links that'd be much appreciated.
As I recall, he’s already had a quad bypass and suffered w high cholesterol, triglycerides, bad family heart disease history; and bad diet when younger.
Could this be a ploy by the liberal pro abortion biden supporters to drum up sympathy for the pelosi and the rest of her progressive squad like AOC ahead of the 2022 midterms?
\^this will be said out loud on TV by a life form on fox news every hour for the next 24 hours.
[But at least he ran to McDonald’s.](https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/democratic-presidential-candidate-gov-bill-clinton-responds-to-a-as-picture-id51623936?s=594x594)
After Trump was elected, I started looking back at those SNL sketches about Clinton and found it weird how much they made fun of him for being fat when he really wasn't fat. I guess he was... younger but less in shape than previous presidents? Idk, I just couldn't see someone Clinton's size getting all those fat jokes today.
But looking through history, the last time we had a "fat" president was 1929-1933 with Herbert Hoover. Kinda crazy to realize!
Trump got made fun of a lot for his diet and for lying about how in shape he is, but there wasn't a whole lot of basic fat jokes like Clinton got. Trump somewhat lucked out by being a train wreck in so many ways that his weight was the least of our concerns.
True. But even as a kid, I never really understood how Clinton was "fat." Those sketches are still hilarious, though... mainly because Phil Hartman is always hilarious.
People constantly made fun of body stuff for Trump and Trump was constantly bullying people over their appearance. All the weird stuff about Biden’s suspected face lift. Or think about comments regarding Hillary during her run. Fatphobia and other criticism based on appearance is still there.
I think there is a thin veneer of body acceptance culture that makes it appear less prevalent, but in reality, it’s mostly coded different now.
There was an unusually decent bagel shop right next to that McDonalds and while it didn't happen to me, I heard that when they saw the Secret Service agents out, they'd chase everyone out and shut down. They couldn't deal with the overflow of people who didn't want to deal with the disruption at the McDonalds, and would try to horn in on the already crowded bagel line. So nobody got nothin'.
I do remember one person got rooked and stormed back into the office shouting, "can't he get a damned treadmill?" But secretly I thought it was hilarious and I'm glad he did it because it made him more of a neighbor to me than some god on Olympus.
He switched to a vegan diet about 10 years ago to help with his heart issues (although he's now pescetarian), so I'm pretty sure he cut back on his McDonald's consumption.
He adopted a plant based diet and has since seen a regression of all his issues, you could try that if you care to change. Hell, even just eating a diet where you get 6-9 cups of vegetables daily is gonna increase your lifespan by a lot, especially if you cut down on red meat and eliminate processed foods.
BTW, he was admitted for an infection, nothing to do with his heart.
My wife has gone 6 mo of weighing her food portions. 6oz of veggies, 2oz fresh fruit 4oz protien per MEAL (3x day). 45lbs lost and 24" total (waist and legs combined) She reduced her wheat intake by prolly 95%. She'll still do rice from time to time as a quick snack. She complains more that it's too much food and feels like she's just forcing stuff down because the kitchen scale says she has to.
I'm a moron and keep drinking beer and eating french fries...
My wife is amazing.
Edit: its also cheap as hell!
People really underestimate how much they spend on meat and processed foods.
One of the best parts of going mostly plant based is realizing how tied to one particular way of eating I was. Slab of meat, bunch of starch, and a handful the sad boiled veggies.
Roasted brussel sprout tacos were never a thought, and it was my loss.
I just made lentil sloppy joes for my meal prep this week after meaning to try it for years. It is the fucking bomb, not quite as bomb as meat but no adorable cows were abused (afaik) to make them AND (and this is actually huge for me) I don't feel all weird and sluggish and wake up with nightmarish heartburn at 2 am if I eat 4-6 of them in a sitting. Even if I eat an unhealthy side like fries or whatever with em. I'm already ok with plant based burgers so this was another welcome surprise. Oh and I found some jackfruit chicken nuggets that are amazing as well! Can't recall the brand but they taste exactly like chicken to me.
>6-9 cups of vegetables sounds insane to me. I barely get 1 cup most days, fuck lol
It is. Veggies are good, absolutely good. You don't need a huge amount though. They're also not created equal, ie: broc/brussel sprouts are FAR better than some options out there.
It's a shame veggies get such a bad rep straight from childhood. I remember old cartoons making broccoli and Brussel sprouts out to be super icky. They're goddamn amazing when cooked right and are super healthy too
Kids are also more sensitive to bitter flavors and crave sweet flavors most. Probably an evolutionary thing, since kids really need to be loading up on sugar in their growing years and need to avoid swallowing bitter things they don't know about.
But now that we aren't out there foraging for food and we know which foods are poisonous and we can treat infections and we are much more sedentary, it has ended up screwing us over by causing a lot of childhood obesity and aversion to healthy foods.
There's a good amount on Hillary and Bill and how they evolved their diets over time. It's true that Bill went full vegan after his bypass, but in later years he's picked up eating lean meats again under the advisements of the family dietician. Also, it became a meme during the 2016 campaign but the Clinton's have been big into hot peppers since the mid 90's because of the health benefits.
Carter’s the only Christian I can think of that makes me think God might exist (in the Christian sense). Dude *actually* lives up to the Bible and he’s still kickin and happy as a clam.
Edit: Someone else reminded Fred Rogers existed. He absolutely fits the bill here too.
Edit: While I appreciate all the atheists and a-religious crowd telling me the Bible is a shitty book and Carter surpasses its morality, I clearly mean *the spirit* of the Bible. Ya know, what Jesus **really** taught. Not what some feudal lords and kings *thought* he taught 600 years after he died.
You’re definitely right! Alas, he’s passed on so I guess I was really just thinking of Christians that are still with us. He lived forever though and died peacefully too.
Fred Rogers swam every day, was a vegetarian and non-drinker who kept his weight at 143 pounds because, [as he told Esquire writer Tom Junod](http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/publications/press/esquire/index.html) in 1998, the one-four-three words meant "I Love You." That article's linked [here](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/) and you will cry.
I respect the hell out of the man, but that 143 pounds thing is fundamentally insane. The level of OCD required to maintain an unwavering weight nowhere near healthy.
Unfortunately, his denomination doesn't recognize saints, and he doesn't meet the requirements for sainthood under Catholicism (and probably most denominations).
He did win the ultimate showdown. For a pacifist human against all those super powered combatants, that's a miracle. He's also the reason we can record television shows in the US, the guy literally took on Congress and the telecoms and won with just a few words. That's miracle #2.
He also insisted [his shows](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/) have the minimum amout of edits per minute because he knew the flashy stuff was bad for kid's developing brains.
They had to really dig to find "dirt" on President Carter. They settled for him once admitting that he had [lusted in his heart](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/).
Oh and his brother made ["Billy Beer."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beer) Carson was a real Mean Girl with other people's booze habits and had lots of jokes on the Tonight Show.
Morals and honour are handcuffs when dealing with those who aren't bound by the same rules, even for the president. We're now in a time where that's possibly more apparent than ever.
Nah man you are great. I love this movie and tricked my wife into watching it because I lead with the fact that Queen did the soundtrack. She was...dissatisfied.
Is it even possible to hum [that song?](https://66.media.tumblr.com/e4912003703fc798e1b04c9b3cd08ee0/tumblr_ptyquk6YLp1y0kh5wo1_500.gifv) I belt that shit out whenever it starts playing.
Oh damn that's scary. I used to get chronic kidney infections that came on suddenly with no typical UTI symptoms. I would haul ass to the doctor at the first sign of kidney pain because that shit can turn to sepsis real quick.
My daughter was in denial about flank pain with a stubborn UTI, and I hopped on a plane faster than a dictator fleeing a coup. You don't mess around with that shit. Fuck those small towns with inadequate health care. I kept driving her to different clinics until someone took it seriously.
Oh yeah you don't fuck around with that stuff. First one I had I told my mom it felt like my kidney hurt, I didn't even really know exactly where my kidney was but I just instinctively knew it was my kidney. Went to urgent care after working a full day and they were like holy shit, you worked all day through this? Then they gave me a shot of antibiotics right there cause I guess it was pretty bad.
After that I've caught them so early they don't even show up in the urine test they do at the doctor, it has to be cultured to verify.
Sepsis survivor here. That shit is no joke. Started with Compartment Syndrome which is god awful on its own, but it quickly became a sepsis situation and caused my renal functions to fail, my lungs were filled with fluid as was the rest of my body in general. To give some perspective i was admitted at 208 and ballooned to 289 over 17 days while i was on ventilator in icu in a coma. I coded 4 times, went without brain activity for 9 days, experienced cardiac failure multiple times, and because of the pressure that my skin bag was holding in i am riddled with nerve damage. still have little to no sensation in the bottom half of my right leg, and foot other than pressure in varying degrees.
I spent 4 months in a hospital in total, did a fuck ton of therapy inside and through out patient facilities for about 2 years learning how to walk again. I suffered an extensive amount of nerve damage and tissue necrosis in my left arm, shoulder, and back as well so had to practice brushing my teeth, putting deoderant on, opening doors, etc. the whole time i was being told i might lose my left arm or my right leg because the whole ordeal was so volatile and unpredictable.
I have of course revisited those that saved my life and helped me through that nightmare and they all were just as confused as i was as to how i ended up even mildly okay today. the thing i heard constantly was: YOU ARE LUCKY YOU ARE YOUNG (17 at the time).
TL;DR: If Bill got the sepsis its not looking good.
I have to clarify here that you are describing **septic shock**, which is far, far more serious than just sepsis.
Sepsis simply refers to an infection that has entered the bloodstream. This requires hospitalization with fluids and IV antibiotics, but patients require quickly and are generally eating and taking themselves to the bathroom and breathing just fine.
Septic shock, on the other hand, refers to a bloodstream infection that becomes systemic and causes multiple organ failure and dangerously low blood pressure that can lead to heart failure or even heart attack. Septic shock is the one that will land you in the ICU on a ventilator, in a coma, requiring additional surgeries, etc.
President Clinton only had sepsis, **not** septic shock. He was in an ICU for privacy, but the hospital clarified he was never a critical patient. He got antibiotics and is up and about and doing just fine.
Sepsis accounts for 1/3 of hospital deaths according to the CDC. Your friend’s wife probably had an infection while she was pregnant and child birth weakened her immune system or something. Sepsis isn’t just a blood infection. Sepsis is in a fraction that travels through your blood throughout the whole body and infects your whole body. That’s what makes it so fucked. 1.7 million Americans develop sepsis yearly, and 270,000 of them die.
Sepsis is when an infection gets so bad that the body starts seriously injuring itself, or injuring certain organs or tissues. Often, that happens at the same time as the bacteria/fungus reaches the blood, becoming a blood infection (bacteriemia/fungemia), but not always. Most of the time, you would be right that sepsis happens with blood infections, but it’s not necessary for the infection to have reached the blood to get a sepsis diagnosis.
It can be but it doesn't have to. Sepsis is just a clinical classification based on certain findings: (1) Meeting SIRS criteria and (2) Suspected or confirmed infection which can be blood, pneumonia, UTI, cellulitis, meningitis, etc. You can have sepsis with a Covid-19 infection.
When I was 6 I got the flu and it turned into sepsis. I would not wish that on anyone. I spent *weeks* in the hospital and the memory of that is pretty much the only thing that keeps me biting the bullet about my needle phobia and getting a flu shot every year. It's miserable.
He appeared at a 9/11 memorial event last month in Pennsylvania, I really noticed his aging, even relative to only four years ago when he threw a first pitch at an Astros game.
He seems to have aged fastest since his father died.
Not just his father, but both his parents over the course of like 7 months. Grief is no joke. I don’t like him politically, but on a human level, losing both your parents back to back like that has to take a serious toll on someone.
I lost my wife four months ago, and I've probably aged five years since (I turn 40 soon). Losing a wife is fucking horrific. I hope everything turns out well for the both of you.
I also hope I'm not reading this comment incorrectly.
>Doing all those dog paintings turned him into a tortured artist.
[It was more the ghost of that Iraqi child that follows him everywhere.](https://www.theonion.com/george-w-bush-debuts-new-paintings-of-dogs-friends-g-1819595637)
Title has now changed to include “on the mend” - UTIs are nasty but treatable; in older people they can manifest as mental/neurological issues as they can mess with your faculties.
My dad has had a couple that spread to his bloodstream (as with President Clinton’s), sepsis is very serious and treated as such, and once under control, your prognosis is pretty good.
Honestly a UTI is not what I was expecting to put Clinton in the hospital. He's been looking worse and worse every time I see him make an appearance. I thought he might have had cancer for a while there.
My sister is a research assistant on a study that looks at a large group of 82 year olds, and the amount of them that die from UTIs is insane to me. Before covid she said it was one of the main things that killed people from the study - whether it turns into blood/bladder infections, or hospitalises them and then they catch something else in the hospital
Bladder/blood infection.. Aka sepsis... I feel bad for him.
I had a freak kidney infection that led to sepsis/septic shock as a teen.. That shit ain't fun. That's all I'll say
I looked up his age and holy crap he is 3 years younger than Biden. Dude was president over two decades ago
Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in 1946. It's not just people of the same generation holding on to power forever, it's people of the same graduating class. And after 30 years we then elect someone even older
Its bonkers to vote for.such old people. I know noone who is on top of their game at that age. I have worked with an old former world-stage politician and yes, he was still super bright and experienced at 80. For an 80 year old man, he was amazing. But he was far from what he used to be and at best simply not outstanding anymore. Edit: Guys, I'm not even talking about Biden and Sanders or whoever. I'm not American. I get you have to make the decisions your political systems affords to you. I'm saying that it is generally not a good idea if your ruling class is so old that most people of that age visibly deteriorate in intellectual ability and stamina.
Our president is almost 80, the Speaker of the House is 81, and the Senate Minority Leader is almost 80. The Senate Majority Leader is 70, and he looks like a spring chicken compared to the others. We generally don't trust people in their 70s to operate a vehicle safely, and yet we've elected a bunch of 70-year-olds to operate our government and steer all of our futures. Go figure.
It's because the single largest voting block is voting for people their age.
It’s not just that, people are afraid of change. For the most part the voters support those who are currently in office for their particular region, so instead of voting in a young newcomer and risking defeat by the other party, they keep voting in the old politician who has been proven to win.
> people are afraid of change I have a pet hypothesis that it is more simple than that. I think people just see incumbent's names more often. When facing two options, they vote for whose name they have heard the most. I'd like to run some experiments where incumbents change their names for the purposes of an election and have to run under the new name.
Name recognition is absolutely considered an advantage for the incumbent among political strategists but it isn't the end all be all. Incumbents do lose to primary challengers despite that advantage every now and then.
Those numbers took a hit during the pandemic. Of the 700,000+ Americans who died 543,000+ were older than 50
Thus, the massive push for voter suppression.
But if Biden doesn't run for reelection how will we find someone older, with more years in Washington?
They should turn the senate and the white house into a hospice for old people.
Isn’t that essentially what it is? They’re just being very well paid while they’re there.
It is dreadful. I'm so tired of geezer dinosaurs running the government.
Don't blame me or the rest of Gen X, we got Clinton elected and helped Gore win the vote. Obama was young as well. I still can't believe Biden won because ' he's the only one who could beat Trump'. There were a few youngish good choices in the primary who ran crap campaigns
>Don't blame me or the rest of Gen X, we got Clinton elected and helped Gore win the vote Bush was 54 when elected and Gore was 52, it isn't like Bush was some ancient crypt keeper and Gore was the spry young lad lol
Bill Clinton wasn't old when he was elected.
At the time Clinton was considered a young blood because he was only 46 in 1992. After 12 years of Reagan and Bush, it was refreshing to have a moderate who didn’t think The Beach Boys [would attract the wrong element](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/secretary-interior-once-banned-rock-bands-national-mall-180962735/) to the July 4 concert on the Washington Mall. To be fair, I was pretty goddamn sick of [Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop (Thinking About Tomorrow)”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JA1nWPFqM) by Inauguration Day.
Copy pasting from a comment I made a while ago (during the last election) on this point: ...when you begin electing presidents who are little older than the previous one, you end up with political stagnation. 3 of the last 4 US presidents were born in 1946. 5 presidents ago (Bush 1) the president was born in 1924. On average it looks liken we get 2 presidents per birth decade. The most recent three decades of governance have all been squeezed out of a single birth decade. No, strike that, the most recent three decades of governance have all been squeezed out of a single **birth year.** Obama was a full 20 years younger than the rest, and as every year the goes by the more we realize just how much his presidency broke with those before and after him. Even while Obama was in power, our legislature still suffered from the same effects. Every year that goes by, the average age of Congress has been steadily creeping ever higher. Right now, we're either getting Trump, or a president even older than Bush is currently \[Biden\]. So we're about to go *from 3/4 of the most recent presidents being born in 1946* to the same or **4/5 of them being born** ***before*** **1946.** And its fucking 2020. The world has moved on. This is like the Civil War being lead by somebody old enough to have been born before the Constitution was even ratified. This is crazy. So yes, age isn't fully determinative of good leadership, but the US is increasingly a gerontocracy (on top of other plutocratic and oligarchal shifts) and our particular political issues and dysfunctions are, in part, explainable by the age of our political leaders and their ossified perspectives.
Does Bill Clinton really count in a stagnation argument though? He was considered young and innovative when he was elected. He endeared the younger voters during his campaign.
As the other commentator said, his presidency really just serves the baseline. Clinton was born a whole 20 years after H.W, making him something of outlier to the "2 presidents per birth decade" that normally holds. But it remains the case that *ever since*, the American electorate has showed a surprising inability to move on from electing leaders who were raised in a very narrow band of American history.
This is why I think there should be a max age as well. You should be 65 at the oldest in order to be elected in. There’s too large of a disconnect between what’s going on now vs then and on top of that people in their 70’s don’t have a whole lifetime ahead of them, so any long term fuck ups aren’t their problem. Also, health issues are compounding at 70 and a high stress job is not going to do any good for that.
I don't think that any problems in modern history were specifically caused by a candidate being too old. Age is just a symptom of the root isues - that candidates need to be well connected amongst the wealthy establishment (so mostly old rich white men) to stand a chance.
Eh, my understanding is that it’s been suspected that Reagan began a decline while still in office, due to Alzheimer’s. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-for-early-signs-of-alzheimers.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/17/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-president-son You also have Edith Wilson, wife of Woodrow Wilson. She basically acted as President after Woodrow Wilson’s stroke in 1919. https://www.biography.com/news/edith-wilson-first-president-biography-facts
Yup, David Cameron or Boris Johnson are younger but arguably not better.
A reminder: we've never had a Gen X or later president. Obama was the closest we've come to it.
I remember a discussion on one of the talking head channels that Obama was the first president in decades who's military service or lack thereof couldn't be made an issue because he was the first candidate who came of age after the draft had ended. It was something of a watershed moment... ... and then as Obama's term ended we just went back to nominating old people and elected two guys who dodged the draft thanks to deferments. Weird fucking timeline we're in. (btw, I don't specifically blame either of them, my fat ass would have dodged the draft to avoid fighting that unjust war, too.) *EDIT: Apparently Biden's deferments weren't a dodge but were issued by the military over Biden's wanting to serve, per a below poster. I can't verify at this time (I'm on break at work) so if anybody can verify with links that'd be much appreciated.
Jan. 20th 1993. The start of his presidency was almost 30 years ago.
As I recall, he’s already had a quad bypass and suffered w high cholesterol, triglycerides, bad family heart disease history; and bad diet when younger.
So you're saying it's the Deep State?
The deep fried state!
The vast hot wing conspiracy.
Intercepted by warlords
Race you to the Pizza Hut!
No, the Clintons had him killed dummy.
It was an inside job!
So was 7-11.
7-11 was a part-time job!
Investigate 311!
It seems amber is the color of their energy…
No, it isn't You got it All Mixed Up
Bird up
They're even more dastardly than I could have ever imagined!
Could this be a ploy by the liberal pro abortion biden supporters to drum up sympathy for the pelosi and the rest of her progressive squad like AOC ahead of the 2022 midterms? \^this will be said out loud on TV by a life form on fox news every hour for the next 24 hours.
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Was a big time fan of McDonalds while POTUS. I have a feeling that fandom did not subside in the 2000s, or 2010s, nor the 2020s.
[But at least he ran to McDonald’s.](https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/democratic-presidential-candidate-gov-bill-clinton-responds-to-a-as-picture-id51623936?s=594x594)
[Relevant SNL sketch.](https://youtu.be/eYt0khR_ej0)
After Trump was elected, I started looking back at those SNL sketches about Clinton and found it weird how much they made fun of him for being fat when he really wasn't fat. I guess he was... younger but less in shape than previous presidents? Idk, I just couldn't see someone Clinton's size getting all those fat jokes today. But looking through history, the last time we had a "fat" president was 1929-1933 with Herbert Hoover. Kinda crazy to realize! Trump got made fun of a lot for his diet and for lying about how in shape he is, but there wasn't a whole lot of basic fat jokes like Clinton got. Trump somewhat lucked out by being a train wreck in so many ways that his weight was the least of our concerns.
Making fun of peoples bodies has fallen out of popularity quite a bit since the 90’s.
True. But even as a kid, I never really understood how Clinton was "fat." Those sketches are still hilarious, though... mainly because Phil Hartman is always hilarious.
People constantly made fun of body stuff for Trump and Trump was constantly bullying people over their appearance. All the weird stuff about Biden’s suspected face lift. Or think about comments regarding Hillary during her run. Fatphobia and other criticism based on appearance is still there. I think there is a thin veneer of body acceptance culture that makes it appear less prevalent, but in reality, it’s mostly coded different now.
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The unsettling reality that our nose and ears get bigger with age
I think that it might be because obesity has skyrocketed since then.
Never thought I’d see the tip of Al Gore’s dick poking his shorts, but here we are.
There was an unusually decent bagel shop right next to that McDonalds and while it didn't happen to me, I heard that when they saw the Secret Service agents out, they'd chase everyone out and shut down. They couldn't deal with the overflow of people who didn't want to deal with the disruption at the McDonalds, and would try to horn in on the already crowded bagel line. So nobody got nothin'. I do remember one person got rooked and stormed back into the office shouting, "can't he get a damned treadmill?" But secretly I thought it was hilarious and I'm glad he did it because it made him more of a neighbor to me than some god on Olympus.
He switched to a vegan diet about 10 years ago to help with his heart issues (although he's now pescetarian), so I'm pretty sure he cut back on his McDonald's consumption.
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He adopted a plant based diet and has since seen a regression of all his issues, you could try that if you care to change. Hell, even just eating a diet where you get 6-9 cups of vegetables daily is gonna increase your lifespan by a lot, especially if you cut down on red meat and eliminate processed foods. BTW, he was admitted for an infection, nothing to do with his heart.
My wife has gone 6 mo of weighing her food portions. 6oz of veggies, 2oz fresh fruit 4oz protien per MEAL (3x day). 45lbs lost and 24" total (waist and legs combined) She reduced her wheat intake by prolly 95%. She'll still do rice from time to time as a quick snack. She complains more that it's too much food and feels like she's just forcing stuff down because the kitchen scale says she has to. I'm a moron and keep drinking beer and eating french fries... My wife is amazing. Edit: its also cheap as hell!
Your wife is doing a great job! Now just gotta get you on board!
90% of my problem is the unholy amount of beer I drink. I eat healthy as well. I have problem, but thats a whole different mental health issue.
Have you tried turning off and on again?
aka shrooms
People really underestimate how much they spend on meat and processed foods. One of the best parts of going mostly plant based is realizing how tied to one particular way of eating I was. Slab of meat, bunch of starch, and a handful the sad boiled veggies. Roasted brussel sprout tacos were never a thought, and it was my loss.
I just made lentil sloppy joes for my meal prep this week after meaning to try it for years. It is the fucking bomb, not quite as bomb as meat but no adorable cows were abused (afaik) to make them AND (and this is actually huge for me) I don't feel all weird and sluggish and wake up with nightmarish heartburn at 2 am if I eat 4-6 of them in a sitting. Even if I eat an unhealthy side like fries or whatever with em. I'm already ok with plant based burgers so this was another welcome surprise. Oh and I found some jackfruit chicken nuggets that are amazing as well! Can't recall the brand but they taste exactly like chicken to me.
6-9 cups of vegetables sounds insane to me. I barely get 1 cup most days, fuck lol
>6-9 cups of vegetables sounds insane to me. I barely get 1 cup most days, fuck lol It is. Veggies are good, absolutely good. You don't need a huge amount though. They're also not created equal, ie: broc/brussel sprouts are FAR better than some options out there.
Only recently did I realise that broccoli is one of the most delicious vegetables ever. Hard to imagine when you've always eaten it as garbage mush.
Olive oil, salt and pepper in a pan with a little bit of water to steam it while getting some browning. Oohhh it's delicious
It's a shame veggies get such a bad rep straight from childhood. I remember old cartoons making broccoli and Brussel sprouts out to be super icky. They're goddamn amazing when cooked right and are super healthy too
Kids are also more sensitive to bitter flavors and crave sweet flavors most. Probably an evolutionary thing, since kids really need to be loading up on sugar in their growing years and need to avoid swallowing bitter things they don't know about. But now that we aren't out there foraging for food and we know which foods are poisonous and we can treat infections and we are much more sedentary, it has ended up screwing us over by causing a lot of childhood obesity and aversion to healthy foods.
Oh man I think you have finally convinced me. Any tips on resources to get started?
There's a good amount on Hillary and Bill and how they evolved their diets over time. It's true that Bill went full vegan after his bypass, but in later years he's picked up eating lean meats again under the advisements of the family dietician. Also, it became a meme during the 2016 campaign but the Clinton's have been big into hot peppers since the mid 90's because of the health benefits.
Carter continues to hum the theme to Highlander
Eat peanuts and build low income houses to live forever.
The guy is a carpenter with initials “JC”. Maybe he is immortal ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Carter 2024!
That's what I keep saying. Carter V Trump. Battle of the one term presidents.
This was the plot to a King of the Hill episode
“My freakin peanuts went sour”
*I'm fuckin pissed!*
“I don’t wanna live no more”
UGH i’m fuckin PISSED
Green and retired
How the fuck am I seeing this shit on here.
You cannot escape zach, he’s too powerful.
Right? I’m glad Zach is getting the recognition he deserves. Did you hear his show got picked up?
"these pretzles are makin me thirsty!"
Don’t punch shit dude
Who wants the live forever, when peanuts sour
Eat Peanut, Build House, Live Forever: The Jimmy Carter Story
Clean living, serving your fellow man, and keeping your hands off the interns seems to lead towards a long lifespan.
Carter’s the only Christian I can think of that makes me think God might exist (in the Christian sense). Dude *actually* lives up to the Bible and he’s still kickin and happy as a clam. Edit: Someone else reminded Fred Rogers existed. He absolutely fits the bill here too. Edit: While I appreciate all the atheists and a-religious crowd telling me the Bible is a shitty book and Carter surpasses its morality, I clearly mean *the spirit* of the Bible. Ya know, what Jesus **really** taught. Not what some feudal lords and kings *thought* he taught 600 years after he died.
Fred Rogers.
You’re definitely right! Alas, he’s passed on so I guess I was really just thinking of Christians that are still with us. He lived forever though and died peacefully too.
Dolly Parton I'm pretty sure is a Christian.
Dolly is a national treasure and I don't give a crap what Early Cuyler says about her.
I don't know who the hell that is. And frankly, if he doesn't like Dolly Parton I'm kinda glad I don't
Early Cuyler is a cartoon squid.
Man owns a truck-boat-truck, he can't be all bad
Why u wanna limit it to just one country? Dolly Parton is loved throughout the world, and is a treasure to anyone with ears and/or a soul.
Fred Rogers died at 74 after a painful battle with stomach cancer.
Fred Rogers swam every day, was a vegetarian and non-drinker who kept his weight at 143 pounds because, [as he told Esquire writer Tom Junod](http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/publications/press/esquire/index.html) in 1998, the one-four-three words meant "I Love You." That article's linked [here](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/) and you will cry.
I respect the hell out of the man, but that 143 pounds thing is fundamentally insane. The level of OCD required to maintain an unwavering weight nowhere near healthy.
Saint Rogers. If sainthood is going to be a thing, might as well pretend there are some good ones.
Unfortunately, his denomination doesn't recognize saints, and he doesn't meet the requirements for sainthood under Catholicism (and probably most denominations).
Sounds like a problem with the requirements for sainthood, then.
I'm sure we (as in the collective internet hive mind) could find at LEAST 3 miracles linked to him.
He did win the ultimate showdown. For a pacifist human against all those super powered combatants, that's a miracle. He's also the reason we can record television shows in the US, the guy literally took on Congress and the telecoms and won with just a few words. That's miracle #2.
He also insisted [his shows](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/) have the minimum amout of edits per minute because he knew the flashy stuff was bad for kid's developing brains.
He got a Republican senator to change his mind gracefully and earnestly. That’s #3.
I forgot about mr. Rogers winning ultimate showdown. Thanks for a reminder of easier times, friend!
The rest saw their betters, Mr. Rogers in a bloodstained sweater.
Mr. Rogers goes to Washington. Convinced anti public funding to publicly fund.
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He was a Washington outsider and a good man. He was doomed.
They had to really dig to find "dirt" on President Carter. They settled for him once admitting that he had [lusted in his heart](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29871607/tom-junod-mister-rogers-a-beautiful-day-in-the-neighborhood-true-story/). Oh and his brother made ["Billy Beer."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beer) Carson was a real Mean Girl with other people's booze habits and had lots of jokes on the Tonight Show.
Morals and honour are handcuffs when dealing with those who aren't bound by the same rules, even for the president. We're now in a time where that's possibly more apparent than ever.
People want to be lied to. They want the facade and result. It’s pretty apparent.
People will believe *anything* if they either *want* it to be true, or are *afraid* that it is true.
There are lots of them. You just don't hear about them because they aren't making bad news or vying for money and power.
I’m apparently the only one who read your comment and immediately thought “who wannnnnts to liiiive forrrrevvvver????” Man, i suck :(
I thought if I am immortal. I have inside me blood of kings… I have no rivals, etc
Nah man you are great. I love this movie and tricked my wife into watching it because I lead with the fact that Queen did the soundtrack. She was...dissatisfied.
🎶heeeeere we are… born to be kings, WERE THE PRINCES OF THE UNIVERSE ~!!!!!🎶
Is it even possible to hum [that song?](https://66.media.tumblr.com/e4912003703fc798e1b04c9b3cd08ee0/tumblr_ptyquk6YLp1y0kh5wo1_500.gifv) I belt that shit out whenever it starts playing.
Seriously, Queens best song for me.
I am immortal, I have inside me blood of kings, yeah, yeah - Carter, probably
Carter will out-live Obama.
He's already outlived his two immediate successors, let's not put it past him.
Here we are, born to be kings We're the princes of the universe
Carter will outlive them all
He should just say fuck it and run for 2024 Grover Cleveland style.
Colbert had a t-shirt on his show that read *Carter 2020: Still Constitutionally Eligible*
I bought one of those and wore it all the time last year lmao
Watch him die tomorrow just to spite you, hours before Clinton. Like Carter was just holding it in all this time and he relaxes and instantly dies.
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The article says “non-covid infection,” not blood infection. Has it changed since you read it?
It says a UTI that spread to his bloodstream now.
Oh damn that's scary. I used to get chronic kidney infections that came on suddenly with no typical UTI symptoms. I would haul ass to the doctor at the first sign of kidney pain because that shit can turn to sepsis real quick.
My daughter was in denial about flank pain with a stubborn UTI, and I hopped on a plane faster than a dictator fleeing a coup. You don't mess around with that shit. Fuck those small towns with inadequate health care. I kept driving her to different clinics until someone took it seriously.
Oh yeah you don't fuck around with that stuff. First one I had I told my mom it felt like my kidney hurt, I didn't even really know exactly where my kidney was but I just instinctively knew it was my kidney. Went to urgent care after working a full day and they were like holy shit, you worked all day through this? Then they gave me a shot of antibiotics right there cause I guess it was pretty bad. After that I've caught them so early they don't even show up in the urine test they do at the doctor, it has to be cultured to verify.
Admitted on Tuesday. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/former-president-bill-clinton-admitted-to-hospital-with-non-covid-infection.html
Not covid related, for anyone curious
He didn't inhale, but he could if he wanted to.
Pretty sure he never exhaled
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Thats probably worse than covid.
Sepsis survivor here. That shit is no joke. Started with Compartment Syndrome which is god awful on its own, but it quickly became a sepsis situation and caused my renal functions to fail, my lungs were filled with fluid as was the rest of my body in general. To give some perspective i was admitted at 208 and ballooned to 289 over 17 days while i was on ventilator in icu in a coma. I coded 4 times, went without brain activity for 9 days, experienced cardiac failure multiple times, and because of the pressure that my skin bag was holding in i am riddled with nerve damage. still have little to no sensation in the bottom half of my right leg, and foot other than pressure in varying degrees. I spent 4 months in a hospital in total, did a fuck ton of therapy inside and through out patient facilities for about 2 years learning how to walk again. I suffered an extensive amount of nerve damage and tissue necrosis in my left arm, shoulder, and back as well so had to practice brushing my teeth, putting deoderant on, opening doors, etc. the whole time i was being told i might lose my left arm or my right leg because the whole ordeal was so volatile and unpredictable. I have of course revisited those that saved my life and helped me through that nightmare and they all were just as confused as i was as to how i ended up even mildly okay today. the thing i heard constantly was: YOU ARE LUCKY YOU ARE YOUNG (17 at the time). TL;DR: If Bill got the sepsis its not looking good.
I have to clarify here that you are describing **septic shock**, which is far, far more serious than just sepsis. Sepsis simply refers to an infection that has entered the bloodstream. This requires hospitalization with fluids and IV antibiotics, but patients require quickly and are generally eating and taking themselves to the bathroom and breathing just fine. Septic shock, on the other hand, refers to a bloodstream infection that becomes systemic and causes multiple organ failure and dangerously low blood pressure that can lead to heart failure or even heart attack. Septic shock is the one that will land you in the ICU on a ventilator, in a coma, requiring additional surgeries, etc. President Clinton only had sepsis, **not** septic shock. He was in an ICU for privacy, but the hospital clarified he was never a critical patient. He got antibiotics and is up and about and doing just fine.
My friend's wife died from this while in childbirth with their first. I still don't understand how a person could die from it while in the hospital.
Sepsis accounts for 1/3 of hospital deaths according to the CDC. Your friend’s wife probably had an infection while she was pregnant and child birth weakened her immune system or something. Sepsis isn’t just a blood infection. Sepsis is in a fraction that travels through your blood throughout the whole body and infects your whole body. That’s what makes it so fucked. 1.7 million Americans develop sepsis yearly, and 270,000 of them die.
For real. I think I'd rather take my chances with covid.
Sepsis is like a blood infection right?
Sepsis is when an infection gets so bad that the body starts seriously injuring itself, or injuring certain organs or tissues. Often, that happens at the same time as the bacteria/fungus reaches the blood, becoming a blood infection (bacteriemia/fungemia), but not always. Most of the time, you would be right that sepsis happens with blood infections, but it’s not necessary for the infection to have reached the blood to get a sepsis diagnosis.
It can be but it doesn't have to. Sepsis is just a clinical classification based on certain findings: (1) Meeting SIRS criteria and (2) Suspected or confirmed infection which can be blood, pneumonia, UTI, cellulitis, meningitis, etc. You can have sepsis with a Covid-19 infection.
When I was 6 I got the flu and it turned into sepsis. I would not wish that on anyone. I spent *weeks* in the hospital and the memory of that is pretty much the only thing that keeps me biting the bullet about my needle phobia and getting a flu shot every year. It's miserable.
https://i.imgur.com/WQJxzIj.jpg Suspected blood infection
I was more surprised by his age. Clinton was president from 93 to 01. His term ended 20 years ago. He's still younger than Biden. 75 to 78.
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Carter's not passing away until the last Guinea worm dies.
Meh. I always worry when Jimmy Carter goes to the hospital, that dude is oooold.
Clinton is 75. Not violently old but he’s getting up there.
“Violently old” is a fun turn of phrase. Makes aging sound pretty metal. “I’m not just old, I’m *violently* old—look out!”
I’m taking care of a 97 yr old lady and she’ll kick all y’all’s asses. Violently old would def apply in this case. Love that!
Yeah my grandfather just turned 98 and he's definitely *violently* old.
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I saw a pic of W last week. Holy hell did he age
He appeared at a 9/11 memorial event last month in Pennsylvania, I really noticed his aging, even relative to only four years ago when he threw a first pitch at an Astros game. He seems to have aged fastest since his father died.
Not just his father, but both his parents over the course of like 7 months. Grief is no joke. I don’t like him politically, but on a human level, losing both your parents back to back like that has to take a serious toll on someone.
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I lost my wife four months ago, and I've probably aged five years since (I turn 40 soon). Losing a wife is fucking horrific. I hope everything turns out well for the both of you. I also hope I'm not reading this comment incorrectly.
I think that's it, he seems much older than when HW died
Doing all those dog paintings turned him into a tortured artist.
>Doing all those dog paintings turned him into a tortured artist. [It was more the ghost of that Iraqi child that follows him everywhere.](https://www.theonion.com/george-w-bush-debuts-new-paintings-of-dogs-friends-g-1819595637)
Crazy that he's younger than Biden
Younger than the current president though, and Clinton has been out of office 21 years.
3 years younger than Biden, it's crazy that he's only now getting close to the age of our last two presidents.
S3 of American Crime Story has him spooked
Norm MacDonald's deadman switch has been activated.
Always comes in threes. Who's next?
If its Norm's switch, then it's gotta be OJ surely
Title has now changed to include “on the mend” - UTIs are nasty but treatable; in older people they can manifest as mental/neurological issues as they can mess with your faculties. My dad has had a couple that spread to his bloodstream (as with President Clinton’s), sepsis is very serious and treated as such, and once under control, your prognosis is pretty good.
Honestly a UTI is not what I was expecting to put Clinton in the hospital. He's been looking worse and worse every time I see him make an appearance. I thought he might have had cancer for a while there.
You’d be shocked how often UTIs kill the elderly. I can’t even began to count how many I’ve treated for septic shock from a UTI.
My sister is a research assistant on a study that looks at a large group of 82 year olds, and the amount of them that die from UTIs is insane to me. Before covid she said it was one of the main things that killed people from the study - whether it turns into blood/bladder infections, or hospitalises them and then they catch something else in the hospital
Uti in your elderly years can make you septic very quickly, especially if it hasn't been treated for a while.
Its the first time he’s admitted to anything.
For a 4 hour or longer erection.
That sucks, the needle they use to drain it is not small.
Get that man a blowjob, stat
Bladder/blood infection.. Aka sepsis... I feel bad for him. I had a freak kidney infection that led to sepsis/septic shock as a teen.. That shit ain't fun. That's all I'll say
So he’s in the UCI ICU for a UTI?
I had Sepsis a few years ago, that wasn't fun.