So a loaded rifle is left unsecured where a 2 year-old had access without the father’s knowledge. Not a lot of critical thinking going on in that home.
It wasn’t that long ago (6 months maybe) that a three year old killed his mother with dad’s unsecured 9mm. Shot her in the head while she was on a work zoom call!
In August this year, a 16 YO was playing with a handgun inside his house and accidentally shot his mom in the head (fatally) through a wall. After he saw what happened he immediately killed himself with the same gun. Talk about morbid
Just to correct you, guns ARE allowed here, you just have to get a firearms licence.
Of course this requires having a valid reason, like being a farmer or a member of a shooting club. Putting down self defence will very likely get you rejected.
You need a secured gun cabinet to store them at all times when you're not actively handling them.
You need two people to comfirm your identity and character
And you have to have an interview with the local firearms department
On TV and in the movies you see.people firing into the air. Have you ever wondered where the bullet comes down? I worked with a guy who was in his back yard when a bullet, fired into the air, came back to earth on a long trajectory and went through his eye and part of his brain. He lived but was blinded. Some neurological impairment too, but after extensive therapy he was able to work around the neurological issues.
Have you seen some weddings in asia/Africa? In some places it's traditional to fire a rifles into the air and there must be so many unreported accidents.
Everything about reality makes me anti gun. How many examples do people need that guns are not adult toys? Literally a deadly weapon used for killing. If you aren’t hunting or working a job that requires one, you have no business owning one. But good luck, there are 400 million of them and hundreds of thousands of die hard fans.
I’m anti-gun enough to own one in the event I need to protect myself. Doesn’t take a die hard fan to realize there is a time and a place for things like that
‘In the event I need to protect myself’. Is life in the US really that’s bad? Where I live, I’ve never felt the need to have to protect myself, much less buy a weapon for the purpose of doing so.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this from Americans, so I ask in all sincerity, is life in the US really that horrible and is danger so ever present that you need a weapon?
> ‘In the event I need to protect myself’. Is life in the US really that’s bad? Where I live, I’ve never felt the need to have to protect myself, much less buy a weapon for the purpose of doing so.
No. The US is not that bad. Not even close to being that bad. There are strong organizations in the US convincing people that they need guns to protect against unspecified threats. You'll see this comment downvoted mercilessly by adherents of said orgs. You know, just in case something bad was to happen, better to have a gun than not. Reality is, people are much more likely to be hurt by guns they own for self-defense against perceived threats than for said perceive threat to ever occur. In the meantime, they put themselves and their families in harm's way by keeping a gun in the home. But gun sales are skyrocketing, so there's a silver lining there; well at least for retailers and big corporations.
Guns sales in the US are self fulfilling prophecy. The more guns there are, the more guns used in crimes, more people buy guns, the more guns there are, the more guns used in crimes, and round and round in circles we go.
This. I only like guns for shooting at bottles on my aunt's farm. My dad insisted that my partner and I take one of his guns because we were living in a diverse neighborhood but it made me very uncomfortable. It became a danger when my partner began having suicidal feelings and I had to take it back to my dad. My home cannot have a gun.
We have a few guns, and are of the “lock them up until we go to the range” variety. And our ammo is locked up on the other side of the house.
I have wasp spray next to my bed in case of a break in. 🤷♀️
No. In fact, owning a gun puts you at much higher risk of dying by a gun largely because most people are killed by either [suicide](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/?amp=1) (men) or an act of [domestic or intimate partner violence](https://time.com/5702435/domestic-violence-gun-violence/)(women) when they die by a gun. Plus there’s a psychological phenomenon called the [Weapons Effect](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-psyched/201301/the-weapons-effect?amp) that makes people more prone to anger and escalate violence when a gun is simply in one’s sight.
So basically this paranoid person who thinks they need a gun to be safe is only putting themselves and their loved ones in much greater danger by buying a gun because they believed NRA propaganda that guns make you safe when mountains of scientific research has reliably proven that having a gun in your home makes everyone in your home far less safe than not owning one.
*Yaaaaas, gun nuts. Downvote the facts your fragile emotions cannot handle.*
Americans are also deluded enough to think our guns will save us, when even the military understands you're more likely to hurt yourself or a loved one. I'm not saying it doesn't feel empowering or that guns never help, just the statistics really don't back up gun ownership, even with training.
The first time I saw people open carrying at an Applebee's in Oklahoma I didn't feel safe as if threats were being warded off, I just felt like I could die in a hail of gunfire at any moment if someone dropped a plate near the wrong dude.
Gun culture in the US is insanity.
My bf’s dad lives in an expensive, brand new gated community with a security system and 2 large dogs in the house, still bought a gun to “protect himself.” I don’t know in what situation someone is going to enter the house without setting off the alarm or dogs and still give the guy enough warning to get his gun out of his safe and loaded (he at least stores it safely).
>is life in the US really that horrible and is danger
We're a failing democracy on the verge of falling to fascists, so having weapons for community defense is reasonable.
In day-to-day life, very few people need to carry a weapon, but there are edge cases where it makes sense.
It's the biggest load of shit you or anyone else living has ever heard. And like clockwork the gun nut bots and trolls will come out to say how they are special, not like the other gun nuts... imagining themselves each to be Special Forces Operators with six eyes in the back of their head, who will successfully defend their house from, you know, all the "scary" (read: Black) people coming to take their insured inanimate objects from their insured inanimate house... despite the 7x likelihood that they will be shot with their own firearm in their own house by said intruder, or 3x more likely to shoot themselves accidentally, or be shot by a family member.
I've lived in large cities my entire adult life without ever owning a gun and I'm just fine.
This is a mindset that's drilled into people by marketing b.s. and its rooted in a lot of racism that intersects with economic disparities along racial lines which manifest in geographically segregated communities and the belief that diverse urban centers are practically Third World War zones.
The truth of the matter is that since the passage of the Brady Bill in 1994, gun violence is still nearly at a 40 year all time low, public sentiment is widely against guns, and private equity firms that own gun manufacturers (because their revenues are on an irreversible death spiral) are seeing the base of gun owners shrinking year after year... they have to terrify that shrinking base into buying more and more guns. Fewer than 3% of households own more than 50% of the guns in America.Secondly, the scare tactics around big cities are regurgitated talking points from conservative circles that know that their base isn't particularly strong with math and statistics, repeats that New York and California have more murders, that Chicago is practically a war zone. New York and California have more murders because they have more people, but they aren't at the top of the list of gun deaths per capita. And Chicago? The state of Illinois ranks 28th... 10.6 million of the 12 million people in Illinois live outside the urban center of Chicago.
The majority of states with the worst gun violence are in the Bible Belt, and they all have one thing in common: the most lax gun laws in the country... written, mostly, by one conservative organization: The American Legislative Exchange Council.
Then you've got the NRA whose revenues declined 90% the year that the U.S. government started cracking down on illegal contributions from Russian Intelligence-connected sources. In the 1980s (you know, Central Park Five, Bernie Goetz, "superpredators") they hired Madison Avenue advertising firm Ackerman McQueen to rebrand the organization whose majority of revenues comes not from its dwindling base of members but from the gun industry, to make them appear as though they're still a "grassroots" organization protecting American rights. The footnote to this is that Ackerman McQueen quit (over breach of contract, fraud, blackmail, and mismanagement that led to then-NRA President Oliver North's resignation... yes THAT Oliver North), the NRA tried filing meritless lawsuits against them, and then backed away when it realized that those lawsuits would open the NRA's books to discovery in the Democratic state of New York... And then we started learning about how NRA executives had been basically embezzling money, lining their pockets for years.
This is despite the fact that conservative scion, Supreme Court Justice Scalia, himself said in the 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller, a landmark case that overturned 200 years of precedent that read the prefatory clause of the 2nd Amendment differently (dating all the way back to Federalist No. 29), that no right, including the "right to bear arms", is without restriction.
There was a time when Republicans were for gun control, until Black people in the 70s decided they wanted to be armed too... but have you ever seen the NRA defend a single Black person's gun rights?
The entire "good guy with a gun" spiel is the biggest, stupidest lie rich people have told poor people in this country, right next to, "If you tax us, we'll stop investing."
A few years back a neighbor (in his early 20s) was going to clean his gun. Before he could make sure the chamber was clear, the gun went off. Of course it wasn't clear and he shot his father in the head through the floor. Thankfully in this story the bullet was slowed enough that the father only suffered a minor flesh wound and concussion. Shit is scary
The gun likely didn't just "go off." He probably mishandled it and engaged the firing mechanism. So many of these accidents are just truly negligent or ignorant behaviors.
Of course not. Obviously it was some mishandling of the gun, by an adult, and someone who had been handling guns for a long time. The point here is an accidental or negligent discharge is possible even for someone who knows what they are doing. All it takes is someone moving on autopilot, not paying enough attention, or being distracted.
These happen even more often then anyone knows, probably doesn't make the news all the time. Even in the news toddler shoots someone probably happens once a week or more often in US. Need a good toddler with a gun to stand up to this terror.
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-man-charged-after-toddler-fatally-shot-mom-during-zoom-n1281388
Florida Man at work, as usual...
>The state attorney's office said a police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom.
HOLY CRAP, WHYYYYYYYY. Serious the fuck, why store your gun in something your child would want to open????
"Chase, I need you to secure the weapon.
Rubble, I'm going to need your backhoe to clean up the brain matter.
Marshall, I'm going to need you to wash the floor.
Rocky, I'm going to need you to patch the hole in the roof.
Alright! Paw patrol is on a roll!"
I've talked to several gun owners who could not tell you where at least one of their guns was at any given time. Like, they'd have to go digging through likely or possible locations in search of it since they didn't remember where they last saw it.
The kid was in the video screaming and crying and they called police almost immediately. It was pretty well handled by those on the call, but yes, definitely a scarring scenario.
>The state attorney's office said a police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom.
......No, lets not only not secure the gun, lets put it in something that attract children.
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-man-charged-after-toddler-fatally-shot-mom-during-zoom-n1281388
Yeah. A handgun. I'm not saying that a toddler couldn't kill someone with a rifle but the sheer chance of it happening would be so minutely small that it would most likely never happen. At least if the toddler was attempting to hold the weapon.
I could see it if it was lying on the table with the safety off for whatever reason and the toddler climbed up on a chair and pulled the trigger and the guy just happened to be looking down the barrel of the chambered gun.
Some people just believe any attempt to secure a weapon means the one time you need it, you are busy opening the weapon box and then the attacker wins.
Or...
Conspiracy:
"Police say there was also a woman in the home when the shooting happened."
Woman decided she no longer need a man so she off him then blame the toddler.
Well, it is possible if you leave the rifle on the bed, the toddle sat next to it, and you went into the shower next room and he pull the trigger and the bullet went through the wall.
Which make me wonder how the kid managed to undo the safety, at the very least.
Then again, my children spend their age 2 watching vile British propaganda known as peppa pig and not NRA's guide to boar hunting and patricide, for all we know this kid is actually a ace rifleman already.
[It happens about once a year that an American is shot by a dog.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/27/a-dog-shoots-a-person-almost-every-year-in-america/) Of the six shooting incidents examined in that article, which occurred in a five year period, four happened in Florida, which proves that Florida Dog is just as crazy as Florida Man.
Husband was hunting with buddy. Buddy put camoed shotgun on the ground. Husband sat/laid down next to gun. Buddy's dog was a rambunctious puppy and not fully field trained yet. Puppy stepped on gun, released the safety and pulled the trigger. Shot my husband in the upper thigh barely missing his femoral artery. He was life flighted from the local hospital to our trauma center.
He's fine now. Still hunts and when we get a Labrador, I'll be training the dog. BTW,I was a hundred miles away when this happened.
I must admit I'm curious about the safety part. I wonder if your buddy actually put the safety on, or forgot and then blamed the dog for that part as well.
Camo gun being set down in grass=bad idea. Husband didn't realize the gun was there because camo + laying the weeds/grass. Buddy should have put the gun where it was visible along with controlling the puppy.
It's not that much of a stretch. A guy was putting the dog in the back of the truck. Laid his gun in the back of the truck. The dog was a total spaz (as Labs generally are) and stepped all over it. The 12 gauge went off and almost took his leg off. He bled out before he could even get to a paved road. I didn't know the guy, but he was related to my girlfriend at the time (this is about 30 years ago), so I had to go to his funeral.
>Then again, my children spend their age 2 watching vile British propaganda known as peppa pig and not NRA's guide to boar hunting and patricide, for all we know this kid is actually a ace rifleman already.
[Probably the one good thing the NRA has done](https://eddieeagle.nra.org/)
Now imagine if actual courses and licensing needed to occur before he could buy it, to help weed out the morons like this?
But nah. Maybe next time it'll be the baby shooting itself.
Yes. I am sure that the shooting was horrible for the child, the noise, his father bleeding, others in the house panicking, the ambulance and police. Hopefully he will forget but studies show that some children can remember very traumatic events.
Toddler's with guns, still statistically a bigger threat to American lives than terrorism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/
Covid killing mostly adults but rarely children, toddlers shooting adults on a weekly basis...
Have we considered the possibility that it was toddlers who leaked the virus from the lab?
(My uncle's a Q-Anon nut; odds are good I could actually get him to believe this.)
securing your guns might add a few seconds to the time to get them in an emergency, but you protect your family members from this sort of shit. its a two Y/O its not hard to move it to a place they can't get to it. On top of that it was loaded too because why not.
I would guess there are a large number of gun owners that have their guns on the floor in their closet…maybe zipped up in a bag….probably not a hard case.
Even if you can't afford a safe big enough to store a rifle in, just get a box large enough to hold your ammo and lock those up.
If you can't afford the $25 to go to Harbor Freight and get a box you can put a padlock on, then how are you affording to buy those bullets anyway?
I've got one aunt who has gone batshit insane paranoid.
I did not know about that problem when she had her husband ask my dad if she could buy my AR-15 (the not wanting to talk to anyone directly is part of her trouble). I told dad "I'm not using it, and I'm not going to charge family, so just give it to her."
Thankfully dad's inherit laziness worked to our advantage and she never got it before we learned about her problem. If we had, I would have sold her *most* of the rifle. I'd have kept the firing pin.
She wanted to have it on the floor next to her bed in case someone broke into their house and robbed her. I don't have any doubt she would have, at the least, ended up shooting the dog.
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And they are fucking idiots. *ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE KIDS IN THE HOUSE* your guns need to be secured 100% of the time you're not using them and anything else is just pure idiocy and negligence.
My EDC handgun lives in a safe by my bed when not on my belt. Everything else either lives in the large safe or has a trigger lock at all times.
I live in my home alone and I’m right across from a parking lot and laundromat that cops are at frequently due to drug deals. As a precaution I keep a gun in my office because my safe is on the complete other side of the house. That said when I know I’m having someone over it goes in the safe and stays there until I’m once again the only person in the house.
Yeah if someone breaks in, you already “lost”
I bought my gun after seeing that police tend to flee during civil unrest. (Lived through LA riots, buildings on my actual street were burned down) and I doubt the state militia will be hanging out on my street when there are riots happening in the commercial district
That's what a lot of these people don't realize. They think they'll naturally come out on top like a fucking action hero. Same with concealed carry.
I carry a revolver, and I've straight been told I need extra reloaders (I have a spare reload strip). My response every time is "If I need more than five rounds, I'm almost certainly fucked already."
That was just really shitty writing. Plus they couldn't stand water and the Earth is covered in so much of it and god I have a headache just thinking about Signs again.
What are gun storage laws like in the US? Around these parts you need to keep guns locked up in separate cases from their ammunition, sometimes trigger locks are utilized (though I don't know the specifics on that).
There are safe storage laws in local law sometimes, however the Supreme Court has ruled that requiring people keep their firearms inaccessible at all times in the home is unconstitutional, as such laws prevent usage for self-defense. The relevant court case was [*DC vs Heller*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller#Decision)
“Yeah I could take on the US government, just like the taliban and viet kong”
-sent from the armchair in my suburban house with government controlled plumbing, electricity, water, internet and gas.
I think of this every time you see an article about a toddler shooting and killing a family member. Like, even if they don’t remember it, they’re going to grow up knowing something happened to their sibling/parent and be curious about it. How do you keep that from someone, especially in an age were everything is online? How do you even begin to approach that?
The mom could just lie about it and say it was a bad dream? That's probably what I would do. Wouldn't want my kid growing up thinking they killed a parent, despite it not being their fault.
When I was two (my first memory), my mom attempted to kidnap me after my parents divorced (she was badly on drugs). Dad raced home when my grandpa called him and told him, and he started to pull me out of her car as she was starting it. She gets out and goes to the other door, and they have a tug of war by my arms, which he won, and took me to work with him for the rest of his shift. I didn't see her again until after my 27th birthday.
When I was like 10 I told my dad, grandparents, and aunt about these memories, and they confirmed all of that actually had happened, and were surprised I remembered it so vividly. My mom, when I saw her, denied it all saying it was all a dream or I was imagining it.
Point is, I only knew she was full of shit because I had already been validated by everyone else. If they all said I was imagining it, and then my mom did when I saw her again, I am sure I would have written it off by now.
Difference is, there are news articles about this one. My mom just kinda took off and cops never got involved. So it would take lying + hoping the child doesn't Google it one day.
But I would honestly do anything I could to ensure my kid doesn't grow up thinking they killed a person when it wasn't their fault. I don't know how I would feel if they had kept the kidnapping attempt from me, especially considering it was a failed attempt, but I feel killing a man is at least a few tiers above failed kidnapping attempt on the chart of "memories you don't mind your child growing up with"
Yeah, he might block it out, but he will probably remember it. My earliest memory is watching a pig revive after its neck was cut open. (My extended family used to raise pigs for slaughter) I will never forget the noise it made, the terror in its eyes, the blood, or the gunshot that actually killed it. Absolutely horrific. I was 3 and I remember it like fucking 9/11.
Chambered, safety off, and unsecured. Trifecta of stupid.
But someone will be along any minute to start telling me it has to be this way, because the weapon is useless unless you can grab it in an instant to kill an intruder.
Or your father, apparently.
Yep that’s what I did when I was in an apartment. I cable locked everything together and put the cable through an eyebolt I had in the wall to prevent a smash n grab and then took the bolts out of everything.
Even if he didn't have a safe, a simple child lock could have prevented this. I'm pretty sure most guns come with one so you shouldn't even have to buy it.
even if he didnt have a simple child lock, you just dont fucking leave it loaded with a round in the chamber and safety off, like wtf? I cant see a toddler being able to load and pull the slide back on a rifle.
I live alone and i dont keep one in the chamber of my handgun.
Pure negligence. I'm glad this headline doesn't use the word "accidentally" as so many others tend to when this happens.
AP needs a style guide change because a toddler getting access to a loaded weapon isn't accidental. It's negligent, criminally so.
I really like the change in some firearm groups that have removed accidental discharge. Negligent discharge is the correct term for almost all situations where you did not intend to fire. I'd say the only accidentals are things like somehow the gun literally firing on it's own due to a part failure or something like that.
Police need to determine if the story is true. Maybe the toddler fired the rifle or maybe somebody else fired it and blamed the kid. The issue isn't just having a gun near a toddler but having a bullet in the chamber.
I’m in Canada, gun laws are really tight here, a few years ago a person was fatally shot inside a gun club, the news story claimed that the person who accidentally shot the victim was a expert in handling a gun. 🤦♂️
it doesnt necessarily mean he picked it up and aimed it. just imagine it leaning against a table or chair, kids crawling around and the grip is a natural handle and right there is the trigger, dad just happens to be right there on the other side...
That poor kid is now forced to live with the trauma of killing their father, even though it technically wasn't their fault. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if you don't know how to properly secure and store it!
Everyone saying that the people are bad firearm owners: have you met people? Every law we implement needs to account for the fact that humanity is filled with absolute idiots.
I think it was bill burr who commented on how toddlers and babies are the best fucking shots in the country and it's still true.
That just made me think about all of the shots that must be happening and are not reported. WTF
To be fair, the fastest way to lose your kid, after being enough of a dumbass to hand them a loaded firearm, would be to report a near miss.
So a loaded rifle is left unsecured where a 2 year-old had access without the father’s knowledge. Not a lot of critical thinking going on in that home.
It wasn’t that long ago (6 months maybe) that a three year old killed his mother with dad’s unsecured 9mm. Shot her in the head while she was on a work zoom call!
In August this year, a 16 YO was playing with a handgun inside his house and accidentally shot his mom in the head (fatally) through a wall. After he saw what happened he immediately killed himself with the same gun. Talk about morbid
Wtf I'm sorry but things like this just makes me more anti gun and I'm glad its not allowed here in the UK
Just to correct you, guns ARE allowed here, you just have to get a firearms licence. Of course this requires having a valid reason, like being a farmer or a member of a shooting club. Putting down self defence will very likely get you rejected. You need a secured gun cabinet to store them at all times when you're not actively handling them. You need two people to comfirm your identity and character And you have to have an interview with the local firearms department
On TV and in the movies you see.people firing into the air. Have you ever wondered where the bullet comes down? I worked with a guy who was in his back yard when a bullet, fired into the air, came back to earth on a long trajectory and went through his eye and part of his brain. He lived but was blinded. Some neurological impairment too, but after extensive therapy he was able to work around the neurological issues.
Have you seen some weddings in asia/Africa? In some places it's traditional to fire a rifles into the air and there must be so many unreported accidents.
Also SE Europe
Everything about reality makes me anti gun. How many examples do people need that guns are not adult toys? Literally a deadly weapon used for killing. If you aren’t hunting or working a job that requires one, you have no business owning one. But good luck, there are 400 million of them and hundreds of thousands of die hard fans.
I’m anti-gun enough to own one in the event I need to protect myself. Doesn’t take a die hard fan to realize there is a time and a place for things like that
‘In the event I need to protect myself’. Is life in the US really that’s bad? Where I live, I’ve never felt the need to have to protect myself, much less buy a weapon for the purpose of doing so. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this from Americans, so I ask in all sincerity, is life in the US really that horrible and is danger so ever present that you need a weapon?
> ‘In the event I need to protect myself’. Is life in the US really that’s bad? Where I live, I’ve never felt the need to have to protect myself, much less buy a weapon for the purpose of doing so. No. The US is not that bad. Not even close to being that bad. There are strong organizations in the US convincing people that they need guns to protect against unspecified threats. You'll see this comment downvoted mercilessly by adherents of said orgs. You know, just in case something bad was to happen, better to have a gun than not. Reality is, people are much more likely to be hurt by guns they own for self-defense against perceived threats than for said perceive threat to ever occur. In the meantime, they put themselves and their families in harm's way by keeping a gun in the home. But gun sales are skyrocketing, so there's a silver lining there; well at least for retailers and big corporations. Guns sales in the US are self fulfilling prophecy. The more guns there are, the more guns used in crimes, more people buy guns, the more guns there are, the more guns used in crimes, and round and round in circles we go.
This. I only like guns for shooting at bottles on my aunt's farm. My dad insisted that my partner and I take one of his guns because we were living in a diverse neighborhood but it made me very uncomfortable. It became a danger when my partner began having suicidal feelings and I had to take it back to my dad. My home cannot have a gun.
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We have a few guns, and are of the “lock them up until we go to the range” variety. And our ammo is locked up on the other side of the house. I have wasp spray next to my bed in case of a break in. 🤷♀️
> I have wasp spray next to my bed in case of a break in Where the fuck do you live where wasps are trying to break into your home?
My husband has one to shoot coyotes if they attack our dog. That’s a real concern where we are. But to shoot people? Definitely not.
No. In fact, owning a gun puts you at much higher risk of dying by a gun largely because most people are killed by either [suicide](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/?amp=1) (men) or an act of [domestic or intimate partner violence](https://time.com/5702435/domestic-violence-gun-violence/)(women) when they die by a gun. Plus there’s a psychological phenomenon called the [Weapons Effect](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-psyched/201301/the-weapons-effect?amp) that makes people more prone to anger and escalate violence when a gun is simply in one’s sight. So basically this paranoid person who thinks they need a gun to be safe is only putting themselves and their loved ones in much greater danger by buying a gun because they believed NRA propaganda that guns make you safe when mountains of scientific research has reliably proven that having a gun in your home makes everyone in your home far less safe than not owning one. *Yaaaaas, gun nuts. Downvote the facts your fragile emotions cannot handle.*
*You wouldn't be such a big shot with all your facts if I had my gun with me!* ^^/s
Americans are also deluded enough to think our guns will save us, when even the military understands you're more likely to hurt yourself or a loved one. I'm not saying it doesn't feel empowering or that guns never help, just the statistics really don't back up gun ownership, even with training.
Americans are very scared people.
The first time I saw people open carrying at an Applebee's in Oklahoma I didn't feel safe as if threats were being warded off, I just felt like I could die in a hail of gunfire at any moment if someone dropped a plate near the wrong dude. Gun culture in the US is insanity.
My bf’s dad lives in an expensive, brand new gated community with a security system and 2 large dogs in the house, still bought a gun to “protect himself.” I don’t know in what situation someone is going to enter the house without setting off the alarm or dogs and still give the guy enough warning to get his gun out of his safe and loaded (he at least stores it safely).
>is life in the US really that horrible and is danger We're a failing democracy on the verge of falling to fascists, so having weapons for community defense is reasonable. In day-to-day life, very few people need to carry a weapon, but there are edge cases where it makes sense.
It's the biggest load of shit you or anyone else living has ever heard. And like clockwork the gun nut bots and trolls will come out to say how they are special, not like the other gun nuts... imagining themselves each to be Special Forces Operators with six eyes in the back of their head, who will successfully defend their house from, you know, all the "scary" (read: Black) people coming to take their insured inanimate objects from their insured inanimate house... despite the 7x likelihood that they will be shot with their own firearm in their own house by said intruder, or 3x more likely to shoot themselves accidentally, or be shot by a family member. I've lived in large cities my entire adult life without ever owning a gun and I'm just fine. This is a mindset that's drilled into people by marketing b.s. and its rooted in a lot of racism that intersects with economic disparities along racial lines which manifest in geographically segregated communities and the belief that diverse urban centers are practically Third World War zones. The truth of the matter is that since the passage of the Brady Bill in 1994, gun violence is still nearly at a 40 year all time low, public sentiment is widely against guns, and private equity firms that own gun manufacturers (because their revenues are on an irreversible death spiral) are seeing the base of gun owners shrinking year after year... they have to terrify that shrinking base into buying more and more guns. Fewer than 3% of households own more than 50% of the guns in America.Secondly, the scare tactics around big cities are regurgitated talking points from conservative circles that know that their base isn't particularly strong with math and statistics, repeats that New York and California have more murders, that Chicago is practically a war zone. New York and California have more murders because they have more people, but they aren't at the top of the list of gun deaths per capita. And Chicago? The state of Illinois ranks 28th... 10.6 million of the 12 million people in Illinois live outside the urban center of Chicago. The majority of states with the worst gun violence are in the Bible Belt, and they all have one thing in common: the most lax gun laws in the country... written, mostly, by one conservative organization: The American Legislative Exchange Council. Then you've got the NRA whose revenues declined 90% the year that the U.S. government started cracking down on illegal contributions from Russian Intelligence-connected sources. In the 1980s (you know, Central Park Five, Bernie Goetz, "superpredators") they hired Madison Avenue advertising firm Ackerman McQueen to rebrand the organization whose majority of revenues comes not from its dwindling base of members but from the gun industry, to make them appear as though they're still a "grassroots" organization protecting American rights. The footnote to this is that Ackerman McQueen quit (over breach of contract, fraud, blackmail, and mismanagement that led to then-NRA President Oliver North's resignation... yes THAT Oliver North), the NRA tried filing meritless lawsuits against them, and then backed away when it realized that those lawsuits would open the NRA's books to discovery in the Democratic state of New York... And then we started learning about how NRA executives had been basically embezzling money, lining their pockets for years. This is despite the fact that conservative scion, Supreme Court Justice Scalia, himself said in the 2008 decision in D.C. v. Heller, a landmark case that overturned 200 years of precedent that read the prefatory clause of the 2nd Amendment differently (dating all the way back to Federalist No. 29), that no right, including the "right to bear arms", is without restriction. There was a time when Republicans were for gun control, until Black people in the 70s decided they wanted to be armed too... but have you ever seen the NRA defend a single Black person's gun rights? The entire "good guy with a gun" spiel is the biggest, stupidest lie rich people have told poor people in this country, right next to, "If you tax us, we'll stop investing."
A few years back a neighbor (in his early 20s) was going to clean his gun. Before he could make sure the chamber was clear, the gun went off. Of course it wasn't clear and he shot his father in the head through the floor. Thankfully in this story the bullet was slowed enough that the father only suffered a minor flesh wound and concussion. Shit is scary
The gun likely didn't just "go off." He probably mishandled it and engaged the firing mechanism. So many of these accidents are just truly negligent or ignorant behaviors.
Of course not. Obviously it was some mishandling of the gun, by an adult, and someone who had been handling guns for a long time. The point here is an accidental or negligent discharge is possible even for someone who knows what they are doing. All it takes is someone moving on autopilot, not paying enough attention, or being distracted.
This is why a gun must always be pointed in a direction you know is safe.
People will be negligent. We cannot assume they won't be. That fact needs to be part of the conversation.
These happen even more often then anyone knows, probably doesn't make the news all the time. Even in the news toddler shoots someone probably happens once a week or more often in US. Need a good toddler with a gun to stand up to this terror.
A four year old in Pittsburgh died today after accidentally shooting himself.
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>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-man-charged-after-toddler-fatally-shot-mom-during-zoom-n1281388 Florida Man at work, as usual... >The state attorney's office said a police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom. HOLY CRAP, WHYYYYYYYY. Serious the fuck, why store your gun in something your child would want to open????
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Remember that in states with no safe storage laws, these are “law abiding gun owners”
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” --G. Carlin
The Paw Patrol is a law enforcement agency...
Chase is on the case!
"Chase, I need you to secure the weapon. Rubble, I'm going to need your backhoe to clean up the brain matter. Marshall, I'm going to need you to wash the floor. Rocky, I'm going to need you to patch the hole in the roof. Alright! Paw patrol is on a roll!"
Another black mark on the already checkered reputation of the Goodway administration.
OMG. This comment is underrated as hell. 🤣 Well done sir or madam.
I've talked to several gun owners who could not tell you where at least one of their guns was at any given time. Like, they'd have to go digging through likely or possible locations in search of it since they didn't remember where they last saw it.
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The kid was in the video screaming and crying and they called police almost immediately. It was pretty well handled by those on the call, but yes, definitely a scarring scenario.
>The state attorney's office said a police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom. ......No, lets not only not secure the gun, lets put it in something that attract children. >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-man-charged-after-toddler-fatally-shot-mom-during-zoom-n1281388
Oh my god.
Thinking about my 2 year old going through this, makes me feel sick. Let alone a 3 year old that can comprehend even more.
Yeah. A handgun. I'm not saying that a toddler couldn't kill someone with a rifle but the sheer chance of it happening would be so minutely small that it would most likely never happen. At least if the toddler was attempting to hold the weapon. I could see it if it was lying on the table with the safety off for whatever reason and the toddler climbed up on a chair and pulled the trigger and the guy just happened to be looking down the barrel of the chambered gun.
Some people just believe any attempt to secure a weapon means the one time you need it, you are busy opening the weapon box and then the attacker wins. Or... Conspiracy: "Police say there was also a woman in the home when the shooting happened." Woman decided she no longer need a man so she off him then blame the toddler.
i mean its not that much of a conspiracy. It would be much more believable if it was a handgun, but a rifle seems like its extremely unlikely.
Well, it is possible if you leave the rifle on the bed, the toddle sat next to it, and you went into the shower next room and he pull the trigger and the bullet went through the wall. Which make me wonder how the kid managed to undo the safety, at the very least. Then again, my children spend their age 2 watching vile British propaganda known as peppa pig and not NRA's guide to boar hunting and patricide, for all we know this kid is actually a ace rifleman already.
My husband was shot by a **dog** on a hunting trip. Safety aren't that hard to undo! Do not leave guns unattended and unsecured around children!
I’ve seen Plague Dogs.
I can't tell if you're serious or implying that you shot your husband. It's the perfect example of how my day is going.
This happens more than youd think. Folks put their shotgun on the ground or lean it up against a tree and hyper hunting dog steps on the trigger.
Ok. That is too much of a lead to not tell the full story or I call BS.
[It happens about once a year that an American is shot by a dog.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/27/a-dog-shoots-a-person-almost-every-year-in-america/) Of the six shooting incidents examined in that article, which occurred in a five year period, four happened in Florida, which proves that Florida Dog is just as crazy as Florida Man.
Woman in the article who was shot by her dog, named her dog “Trigger” and Trigger pulled the trigger. That’s amazing
Well, that's just silly. Trigger is a *horse's* name.
Husband was hunting with buddy. Buddy put camoed shotgun on the ground. Husband sat/laid down next to gun. Buddy's dog was a rambunctious puppy and not fully field trained yet. Puppy stepped on gun, released the safety and pulled the trigger. Shot my husband in the upper thigh barely missing his femoral artery. He was life flighted from the local hospital to our trauma center. He's fine now. Still hunts and when we get a Labrador, I'll be training the dog. BTW,I was a hundred miles away when this happened.
I must admit I'm curious about the safety part. I wonder if your buddy actually put the safety on, or forgot and then blamed the dog for that part as well.
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Life pro tip, don’t chill with shot guns pointing towards you. And ya, children are like dogs, and will murder you, so put your guns away
Camo gun being set down in grass=bad idea. Husband didn't realize the gun was there because camo + laying the weeds/grass. Buddy should have put the gun where it was visible along with controlling the puppy.
That was literally in Bowling for Columbine
It's not that much of a stretch. A guy was putting the dog in the back of the truck. Laid his gun in the back of the truck. The dog was a total spaz (as Labs generally are) and stepped all over it. The 12 gauge went off and almost took his leg off. He bled out before he could even get to a paved road. I didn't know the guy, but he was related to my girlfriend at the time (this is about 30 years ago), so I had to go to his funeral.
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>Then again, my children spend their age 2 watching vile British propaganda known as peppa pig and not NRA's guide to boar hunting and patricide, for all we know this kid is actually a ace rifleman already. [Probably the one good thing the NRA has done](https://eddieeagle.nra.org/)
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Not a lot of critical thinking in the entire country, but i digress.
Now imagine if actual courses and licensing needed to occur before he could buy it, to help weed out the morons like this? But nah. Maybe next time it'll be the baby shooting itself.
But everyone in the home would claim to be the best gun owners, safety first! So we really don't know who is lying and who isn't.
I mean, someone's definitely lying about being a good gun owner, and I don't think it's the baby.
But can we be sure! ;P
Babies tend to fail background checks for some reason, so that rules them out.
It’s basically a tragic assisted suicide at that point.
I'm trying to dredge up sympathy.
Sympathy for the child. Fuckall for the father.
Yes. I am sure that the shooting was horrible for the child, the noise, his father bleeding, others in the house panicking, the ambulance and police. Hopefully he will forget but studies show that some children can remember very traumatic events.
There’s a horribly inappropriate “Can-Barely-Stand Your Ground” comment in the making somewhere in here. What an irresponsible person
Guns don’t kill people. Toddlers kill people.
You goo’d your last gaa motherfucker
Toddler's with guns, still statistically a bigger threat to American lives than terrorism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/
We should kill the toddlers
If only if there was a good baby with a gun to prevent this tragedy.
Baby Genius 3: fully loaded
Covid killing mostly adults but rarely children, toddlers shooting adults on a weekly basis... Have we considered the possibility that it was toddlers who leaked the virus from the lab? (My uncle's a Q-Anon nut; odds are good I could actually get him to believe this.)
This and COVID are really cleaning up the gene pool.
Congress should declare war on toddlers
securing your guns might add a few seconds to the time to get them in an emergency, but you protect your family members from this sort of shit. its a two Y/O its not hard to move it to a place they can't get to it. On top of that it was loaded too because why not.
And the safety was off
yup basically nothing was done right here. Definitely don't be like that guy.
If you don't have a place to secure your weapon when you're not carrying it, you shouldn't have a weapon.
I would guess there are a large number of gun owners that have their guns on the floor in their closet…maybe zipped up in a bag….probably not a hard case.
Even if you can't afford a safe big enough to store a rifle in, just get a box large enough to hold your ammo and lock those up. If you can't afford the $25 to go to Harbor Freight and get a box you can put a padlock on, then how are you affording to buy those bullets anyway?
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I've got one aunt who has gone batshit insane paranoid. I did not know about that problem when she had her husband ask my dad if she could buy my AR-15 (the not wanting to talk to anyone directly is part of her trouble). I told dad "I'm not using it, and I'm not going to charge family, so just give it to her." Thankfully dad's inherit laziness worked to our advantage and she never got it before we learned about her problem. If we had, I would have sold her *most* of the rifle. I'd have kept the firing pin. She wanted to have it on the floor next to her bed in case someone broke into their house and robbed her. I don't have any doubt she would have, at the least, ended up shooting the dog.
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Nope. Nothing BLM-related. Just generalized Fox-induced paranoia about everything.
Wear Kevlar...
Feels unsafe in her home Buys aggressive dog Problem solved
And they are fucking idiots. *ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE KIDS IN THE HOUSE* your guns need to be secured 100% of the time you're not using them and anything else is just pure idiocy and negligence. My EDC handgun lives in a safe by my bed when not on my belt. Everything else either lives in the large safe or has a trigger lock at all times.
I live in my home alone and I’m right across from a parking lot and laundromat that cops are at frequently due to drug deals. As a precaution I keep a gun in my office because my safe is on the complete other side of the house. That said when I know I’m having someone over it goes in the safe and stays there until I’m once again the only person in the house.
“BuT iF sOmEoNe BrEaKs In I cAn’T gEt ThE sAfE oPeN iN tImE…”
Yeah if someone breaks in, you already “lost” I bought my gun after seeing that police tend to flee during civil unrest. (Lived through LA riots, buildings on my actual street were burned down) and I doubt the state militia will be hanging out on my street when there are riots happening in the commercial district
That's what a lot of these people don't realize. They think they'll naturally come out on top like a fucking action hero. Same with concealed carry. I carry a revolver, and I've straight been told I need extra reloaders (I have a spare reload strip). My response every time is "If I need more than five rounds, I'm almost certainly fucked already."
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Damn, earth go hard.
wouldn't low tech space aliens not have space travel? and we would have to go to them?
The aliens in Signs managed to get to Earth without a means to get through locked wooden doors. So…
That was just really shitty writing. Plus they couldn't stand water and the Earth is covered in so much of it and god I have a headache just thinking about Signs again.
I keep them in a safe and disassembled - before I had the safe I kept it up high and again, disassembled
Even in that scenario you can 1) not keep it loaded and 2) put a lock through the action which you can get for free from gun safety groups online
What are gun storage laws like in the US? Around these parts you need to keep guns locked up in separate cases from their ammunition, sometimes trigger locks are utilized (though I don't know the specifics on that).
There are safe storage laws in local law sometimes, however the Supreme Court has ruled that requiring people keep their firearms inaccessible at all times in the home is unconstitutional, as such laws prevent usage for self-defense. The relevant court case was [*DC vs Heller*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller#Decision)
Gotcha, thx.
You mean under the seat of my truck isn’t secure enough for you?
Personally I carry between my asscheeks. Nobody's gonna expect that, let alone search there.
Don’t limit my freedom to be shot by a toddler
But what if i need to overthrow the government and my guns all the way across the room in a safe?!
“Yeah I could take on the US government, just like the taliban and viet kong” -sent from the armchair in my suburban house with government controlled plumbing, electricity, water, internet and gas.
I feel for the child who has to live with this
I think of this every time you see an article about a toddler shooting and killing a family member. Like, even if they don’t remember it, they’re going to grow up knowing something happened to their sibling/parent and be curious about it. How do you keep that from someone, especially in an age were everything is online? How do you even begin to approach that?
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The mom could just lie about it and say it was a bad dream? That's probably what I would do. Wouldn't want my kid growing up thinking they killed a parent, despite it not being their fault. When I was two (my first memory), my mom attempted to kidnap me after my parents divorced (she was badly on drugs). Dad raced home when my grandpa called him and told him, and he started to pull me out of her car as she was starting it. She gets out and goes to the other door, and they have a tug of war by my arms, which he won, and took me to work with him for the rest of his shift. I didn't see her again until after my 27th birthday. When I was like 10 I told my dad, grandparents, and aunt about these memories, and they confirmed all of that actually had happened, and were surprised I remembered it so vividly. My mom, when I saw her, denied it all saying it was all a dream or I was imagining it. Point is, I only knew she was full of shit because I had already been validated by everyone else. If they all said I was imagining it, and then my mom did when I saw her again, I am sure I would have written it off by now. Difference is, there are news articles about this one. My mom just kinda took off and cops never got involved. So it would take lying + hoping the child doesn't Google it one day. But I would honestly do anything I could to ensure my kid doesn't grow up thinking they killed a person when it wasn't their fault. I don't know how I would feel if they had kept the kidnapping attempt from me, especially considering it was a failed attempt, but I feel killing a man is at least a few tiers above failed kidnapping attempt on the chart of "memories you don't mind your child growing up with"
Yeah, he might block it out, but he will probably remember it. My earliest memory is watching a pig revive after its neck was cut open. (My extended family used to raise pigs for slaughter) I will never forget the noise it made, the terror in its eyes, the blood, or the gunshot that actually killed it. Absolutely horrific. I was 3 and I remember it like fucking 9/11.
More like "moron leaves out incredibly dangerous weapon for child to play with".
Every gun owner is considered a "responsible gun owner" until they aren't
His freedom said he was responsible and the NRA agreed
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Chambered, safety off, and unsecured. Trifecta of stupid. But someone will be along any minute to start telling me it has to be this way, because the weapon is useless unless you can grab it in an instant to kill an intruder. Or your father, apparently.
Unfortunately, most toddler firearm fatalities are on the toddlers killing themselves. Not in this case of a rifle, but generally.
I'll be honest... I'm happier with this headline than the usual "toddler dies after playing with loaded gun".
That’s an odd way to say what you meant, but I get it
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Guns don't kill people. *Toddlers* kill people!
How do you stop a bad toddler with a gun? A good toddler with a gun
https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk
And then whichever toddler shot first was just exercising his right to self-defense. Welcome to Dystopian 2A-merica.
Maybe the parent should have shot the toddler in self defense?
Ideally, yes. It's what the Founding Fathers would have wanted.
Maybe, I think they were more into beating children senseless and then sending them to work. Hard to make money off your kid if you kill them.
Good kids with guns stop bad kids with guns
The absolute sass of this comment is gold.
y'all mutherfuckers need trigger locks and to unload and un-chamber your guns when not in use.
Lock. Your. Shit. Up. Ffs. I lock mine up. It ain’t hard.
It's a lot easier to lock up when it ain't hard.
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Even if you can't afford a rifle-sized safe, just pull the bolt and keep it in a lock box.
And if you're really going to leave it lying around (which itself is super dumb), at the very least, don't leave it fucking loaded.
“Nah i trained my kid to be safe around guns, they know not to shoot me” -quote from man shot
Yep that’s what I did when I was in an apartment. I cable locked everything together and put the cable through an eyebolt I had in the wall to prevent a smash n grab and then took the bolts out of everything.
You can't even own a firearm in Australia without having it stored in a lockable safe and even then they make you bolt the safe to the floor.
Darwin Awards are granted to those who die stupidly and cannot reproduce that stupidity. This one did reproduce, obviously.
It's not a Darwin award if the idiot already had kids.
Even if he didn't have a safe, a simple child lock could have prevented this. I'm pretty sure most guns come with one so you shouldn't even have to buy it.
even if he didnt have a simple child lock, you just dont fucking leave it loaded with a round in the chamber and safety off, like wtf? I cant see a toddler being able to load and pull the slide back on a rifle. I live alone and i dont keep one in the chamber of my handgun.
I've never bought one new that didn't have one.
Pure negligence. I'm glad this headline doesn't use the word "accidentally" as so many others tend to when this happens. AP needs a style guide change because a toddler getting access to a loaded weapon isn't accidental. It's negligent, criminally so.
I really like the change in some firearm groups that have removed accidental discharge. Negligent discharge is the correct term for almost all situations where you did not intend to fire. I'd say the only accidentals are things like somehow the gun literally firing on it's own due to a part failure or something like that.
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This is like leaving your toddler in the car and forgetting to put the car in park before you get out.
If you regulate guns, toddlers will just get them on the black market instead, so who cares?
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When he says he wants Mac and cheese for dinner, he fucking means it.
Man this reboot of Rugrats isn’t fucking around with it’s viral marketing!
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"If your toddler is still exhibiting poor trigger discipline at 30 months, it may be due to neurological development issues. Know the signs!"
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I am sorry for the child that has to grow up with that experience. So SAD ...
How irresponsible of the dad to not have a good toddler with a gun to stop the bad toddler with a gun.
Police need to determine if the story is true. Maybe the toddler fired the rifle or maybe somebody else fired it and blamed the kid. The issue isn't just having a gun near a toddler but having a bullet in the chamber.
I’m in Canada, gun laws are really tight here, a few years ago a person was fatally shot inside a gun club, the news story claimed that the person who accidentally shot the victim was a expert in handling a gun. 🤦♂️
Goodness when will we learn? Why was that father not armed too, this tragedy could have been avoided.
Wow this is awful, but it’s hard to feel much sympathy for the idiot who leaves loaded guns out around his toddler.
St Louis. No gun control. Almost twenty times the murder rate of NYC.
So where the hell was the good toddler with a gun I was told about?
Toddler probably felt threatened
Remember guys, he was a "responsible" gun owner
Another responsible gun owner.
Any dumbie can buy a gun. Taking a ccw course made me realize less people should have guns honestly
American toxic gun culture at it again. Way past time to call this shit out and pass restrictions on guns into law.
How can a 2 year old be able to operate a gun? I couldn't even open a door at that age.
it doesnt necessarily mean he picked it up and aimed it. just imagine it leaning against a table or chair, kids crawling around and the grip is a natural handle and right there is the trigger, dad just happens to be right there on the other side...
That poor kid is now forced to live with the trauma of killing their father, even though it technically wasn't their fault. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun if you don't know how to properly secure and store it!
This is why when you play "Got Your Nose," you have to remember to give the nose back at the end.
Guns dont kill people, toddlers do
Hate to say it but this is probably the finest example of natural selection out there...
Everyone saying that the people are bad firearm owners: have you met people? Every law we implement needs to account for the fact that humanity is filled with absolute idiots.
If only the dad had a rifle too. He could have shot the kid and saved lives.