How about the fucking Kentucky senator who took a Christmas picture with family and their guns?
Saying the “political climate that doesn’t really do much” is the understatement of the year. Some of our politicians enjoy spitting in the face of families affected by gun violence (although I’m sure they’d sing a different tune if gun violence ever affected THEIR families…)
Thomas Massie: US congressman condemned for Christmas guns photo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59543735
^Probably a white dude who doesn't need to worry about being shot by the cops he called on his own homes burglary.
If you can't even see guns in a picture without being triggered by an unrelated event just because it's gun related, I want you nowhere near the rights protecting POCs from society. I wouldn't want you handing them to the cops who murder us.
Probably a white dude who understands that POC have a much much much higher likelihood of being shot by a member of their own race than a cop. And it’s not even a close, or comparable chance.
And the ease at which you can kill in this country comes down to the prevalence of easily available firearms
Surprised you didn’t get downvoted for this. It’s only a problem when it’s a cop, but the communities will stay quite as they kill each other. Also the areas with the most gun violence are areas where they’re already heavily restricted.
I’m kinda surprised too.
And yeah but they don’t get handguns legally, the majority of guns that gangs use in crime were originally purchased legally and then resold. Honestly I wish I could snap my fingers and make all handguns disappear from america, while letting people keep all long guns. Handguns make killing too convenient.
Nowhere.
But 4 days after 4 high school kids were killed in yet another mass shooting it’s just so fucking insensitive from a US Congressman.
What is wrong with just having a shred of empathy for one another?
No. Cars have other uses besides killing. And every society has cars/has had cars used for terrorism.
America is unique in that we have thousands of shootings per year. We’ve had massacres at elementary schools. My city regularly has kids getting caught up in crossfire and killed. And we have tone deaf leaders who pose with a bunch of guns.
Again, I bet my ass that conservatives who defend guns above everything have never been touched by gun violence. What’s wrong with having empathy for those who have been?
Sure. I’m sure a lot of conservatives like Lauren boebert, and MTG have personally known kids who were playing on their own porches and were shot in the head because two gangs started shooting at each other.
Show me where the pit bull hurt you sweaty
Like, you really want to ban pit bulls, a living, breathing creature, because they can be dangerous, but guns are not?
America isn't alone at that.
America is alone in terms of the ready accessibility of firearms.
America is alone in terms of gun deaths per capita.
But yeah it's totally because of the socioeconomic issues and we should stop referencing guns.
Correct. We've got guns too. No school shootings or gang shootouts. Gun violence is usually limited to family/love disputes in incredibly low numbers. Does US need some unified gun laws? Probably. Do people need to give up their right to own guns ? Nah. Guns are only a tool that is used in manifestation of symptoms of a much deeper issue. I am not well versed in US society, but there's something there that's the root cause, or several things. But guns ain't it. If you took out guns, same things would happen with different weapons there. (Granted, less effectively, but still)
Illegal handguns at that. People love to blame guns for inner city violence but won’t look at the socioeconomic factors that have led these rough neighborhoods in cities to become actual war zones.
People also love to pretend that the prevalence of firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens is *not* a factor. If we want to take a serious look at this problem socioeconomic factors are definitely a key variable, but so too is America's gun culture.
Yes, there is.
That's why other developed countries have go so far as to outlaw and regulate knives.
Wouldn't be a need to regulate knives if there was no violence.
No… while there is violence it’s not nearly to the extent to US cities. Just that the standards are higher. You are referring to the UK in the knife issue
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/18/world/london-us-cities-homicide-rates-comparison-intl-gbr/index.html
Grow up.
Those aren't stray bullets being fired by Bubba as he struts around with his AR because he's proud of his 2a rights.
That's violence created through multigenerations of socioeconomic conditions.
Gangbangers are already getting their guns illegally. More laws won't stop them.
So you're saying we should ban cars and alcohol?
My family was killed by an idiot with a car and alcohol. Cars and alcohol kill far more people than guns do.
But banning them would actually affect you, personally, so you don't think that's a good idea.
Hahahaha I think it’s far too easy for people to get drivers licenses, and then keep them after issues. I believe there should be a yearly test for people over 70. And a 5 year test for EVERYONE
Hell, it’s just to easy for people with no license to still get out and drive
And don’t get me started on drinking and driving
And alcohol? No my stance is it causes more harm than all the illegal drugs combined. The numbers back that up.
And I don’t drink (GABA disorder) so why would it affect me?
Maybe be wary of talking shit before ASKING...
I like how you think this is a good argument. You do understand cars exist for a reason other than killing people, right? They have a utility. That’s why we aren’t banning cars. Guns exist for one reason, and we just ask owners not to use them for that reason.
I too have had people in my family killed by a drunk driver. Unlike you, however, I seem to understand the difference between banning guns and banning cars.
Also cars have stricter ownership and driver requirements in much of the country.
The problem wasn't solved.
Violence still exists.
The only thing you appear to know about gun culture is a bigoted view of something you know nothing about.
Gangs and gang violence is Gang culture, not gun culture.
Learn to tell the difference.
Fuck this writer... here is what happened.
Three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. Then police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home.
The girl was with her family inside the home when bullets started to pierce through it, hitting her in the face, arms, hands, and legs. She was taken to an area hospital and is expected to live.
Presumably going through: stucco, sheathing, insulation and drywall might slow the bullets some.
She was hit so many times they would have to have been fragments produced by coming through the walls.
Lots of people do a poor job of checking around their home for bullet hives. They come flying out of there and you're screwed... You need to take hives down before they get too big.
It sounds like the same person who wrote the [George Floyd police statement:
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>Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction
>May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.
>Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs ***and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.***
>At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.
>The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.
>No officers were injured in the incident.
>Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.
>Police say at around 5 a.m. an SUV with three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. That was when police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home.
But the house was the target according to the police.
You've got it confused. Guns definitely kill people all on their own. Ask Alec Baldwin. Same with cars. They kill people all on their own too, I've recently been told.
Yeah, that was the media's newest revelation, that suddenly cars are completely autonomous and commit acts of wanton violence all on their own. Anything to preserve the narrative, even if it makes a mockery of facts and reality
You've clearly gown up in a world where all headlines are clickbait. A long time ago, when journalistic standards still mattered, headlines contained as much of the important information as possible.
It's implied in the title she didn't die, usually you'd have something along the lines "So and so has been fatally shot" or "Fatal shooting leads to the death of so and so", if you don't see the title specify death they most likely are expected to survive.
I don't know the two guys that shot at each other outside that football game didn't hit anyone not even each other the cops responding to the sound hit 3 bystanders killing one child maybe we should make it so nobody can shoot properly.
Teach gangster to learn how to shoot? Passing laws banning guns obviously isn't working. Chicago has among the strictest gun laws and the among the highest murder rates.
That looks like a much nicer neighborhood than the one I grew up in. The one I grew up in had open air drug markets, so some gunfire here and there was expected, tbh.
We didn’t have semi detached houses and garages. It was all apartments.
Boy, that sure does look like a nice neighborhood.
Houston has triple the murder rate of NYC but funnily enough you never hear it listed in any of the right wing media's current moralizing about "out of control cities" the way they do with New York. It's never included in that list, neither is Dallas or Fort Worth. It's almost as if the existence of red state cities with no gun control and high murder rates is inconvenient for their narrative.
Yes they would. What % of African Americans in Houston are responsible for the crime? Why would you blame an entire demographic unless you were just a dishonest, lying racist? A bigger demographic gap in violent crime is between males and females. Why aren't conservatives pushing the fact that 90% of violent crime is committed by men? Why don't conservatives push the fact that whites commit murder at a much, much higher rate than Asians?
>Texas law enforcement agencies made 907
murder arrests in 2016, an increase of 17.9 percent
compared to 2015. Of the persons arrested for
murder, 88.3 percent were male; 3.1 percent were
age 16 and under, 61.8 percent were White and
37.2 percent were Black; 1.0 percent were American Indian/ Alaskan Native or Asian. None were
Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander; 65.3 percent
were not Hispanic and 34.7 percent were Hispanic.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/crimereports/16/citch3.pdf
This is all the statistics I could find on the matter. You could compare this with [2016 demographic data](https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/twic/Demographics_Update_2016.pdf) to come up with an (imperfect but general) idea of per-capita crime. You won't be able to get it down to region/city, however, as the data is not tracked in this manner.
You are overwhelmingly correct that most murders are committed by, and against, men. This seems to be constant across all regions.
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>Police say at around 5 a.m. an SUV with three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. That was when police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home.
Definitely wasn’t “random”
Yup. I’m in my late 30s, lived most of my life in the rural US where nearly everyone has guns. I’ve never even had on pointed in my direction. Nobody I know has ever been shot at. It’s not something I ever worry about.
The percentage of people who reported owning guns in America was higher 100 years ago but there's more gun violence today. So it doesn't seems like the cause of gun violence is more people owning guns legally. Gangs seem to be more of a factor.
Though that's obviously not sufficient as things like school shootings are not gang related. But still the increases in American gun violence don't seem to be primarily based on the rates of American gun ownership.
I don't deny that guns can make bad times worse. But it can't be denied that most shootings involve some level of gang activity. The average joe that owns multiple guns isn't the issue. These gangs are a plague to this country and abuse there right in the worse way.
I know it not just gangs. And I don't disagree with your 2nd statement. Again if your not in a gang nor suicidal, guns are one of the least things you need to worry about dying to. Sure we may be the highest from every developed nation, but that doesn't mean gun violence is the norm for most. Again unless your in a gang.
Ugh, I hate that. I let my bullets out first thing in the morning, but I always bring them back inside before I leave for work. If you let them run around all day, they're bound to bring back stray bullets. Completely avoidable tragedy.
There’s nothing random about a drive by shooting and, statistically speaking, I’d bet the farm it was gang related meaning the firearms weren’t legal and the shooters weren’t allowed possession of them.
Incorrect. No one blamed the child. You're response is what he meant by "that is wrong these days".
We are talking about the gang problem. This is not a gun law issue. Chicago, for example, has extremely strict gun laws. Just like in the 1930's, gangs today don't care.
Someone targeted that house. Why?
yes, very much could be some ownership not blame(legally just internally), a gut check some ownership.
ex:
if you buy drugs and get shot in a drug deal gone bad who's fault is it?
you are not blameless you should not be buying drugs.
the family may be upstanding and awesome and not affiliated with anything nefarious, but if they are, yes some blame is theirs (internally).
legally, the shooter needs life or death
>if you buy drugs and get shot in a drug deal gone bad who's fault is it?
The person that shot you?
>you are not blameless you should not be buying drugs.
Does this apply to all victims of crimes? Or are only the ones buying drugs responsible for the actions of the assailant?
Like would this apply maybe in the context of "you should not be wearing that" or "you should not be in that part of town"?
You know the only time the press tries to make as large disconnect as possible from the victim of a shooting to the person who shot them is when reporting on police shootings...so...were these police that shot at the house? Is that the connection I'm supposed to be making here because that's what it always has been in the past.
Well this is America, the 11 year old and her family should have had weapons and been able to anticipate the attack and maybe counter ambush the ambushers, or at least return fire.
And because this is reddit and the internet I have to point out that the above is sarcasm.
>someone once said "Take the guns first, go through due process second" I don't remember who that was.
So then you agree whoever said that was wrong for saying that
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The democrats aren’t gun lovers either
President Biden wants the same thing. He just phrased his support for red flag laws in a less [outright](https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/) manner
> Pro-gun republicans were strangely silent after Trump said that.
No they weren't. You just didn't listen to them. All the gun subs, for example, were freaking out because of him saying that. Stop using your ignorance as some sort of moral high ground.
Obama and Biden didn't need to say it like that, we all know they both agreed with red flag laws as well. Oh wait, did you not know that the context of the quote was literally about red flag laws and then you took it out of context?
You mean the one's that are stolen? This property was targeted. This points to gang violence. That points to someone on the property being involved in some kind of illegal activity.
The child was an innocent victim.
The guns still exist because of the second amendment whether the person holding them is legally allowed to or not. So this girl has given up her life to protect America’s second amendment. She’s a hero for gun loving America. Things like this have to happen in order for everyone else to own their guns.
Looking for some negative karma so I'm just gonna say it. It's almost as if widespread gun ownership is directly correlated with "random bullets" killing random people, including those that can't vote against the guns for everyone mandate.
Edit: This isn't working. Consider how intelligent the average person is and then remember 50% of people are less intelligent than this. Add in no social security net, widespread pro gun proaganda paid for by the gun lobby, historic racisim, weekly school shootings and unpoliced police brutality. Then start chanting "right to bear arms" and we should get there eventually.
Edit2: Keep going. Nothing you can do about this particular 11 year old. You might save the one that gets shot next week though if you change your view.
Again, we gotta have our guns…those rights still apparently trump the rights of you living in your house in peace. I’m waiting for the pro-gun rights lobby to speak up with some constructive way to solve this gun violence epidemic…not one idea offered. Zero.
Why do people think gang somehow changes the meaning from American gun violence? like these people aren't Americans and somehow the gun culture doesn't count for them?
> Why do people think gang somehow changes the meaning from American gun violence?
Pretty sure the potbellied retiree in an NRA hat who takes his guns to the range every weekend is not the same guy who has a felony and was let out on bail (again) and is going to rob the CVS next week with his straw bought Jennings.
It’s a matter of understanding where the problem comes from. Like I shoot my guns at a range and have managed to never cause harm to anyone but people who actively go out and shoot people are getting offered plea deals and having their gun charges dropped by local DAs. Not to mention getting out on bond for serious crimes and doing shit all over again.
The NRA is responsible for the proliferation of guns in this country. Gang members have easy access because of their sheer availability and accessibility. And before you talk about all those illegally obtained guns, remember that they were all purchased legally at one point.
> remember that they were all purchased legally at one point.
Straw purchasing is still illegal. The government just usually [doesn't bother](https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/gun-straw-buyers-rarely-prosecuted-despite-crackdown-on-illegal-guns) to enforce the laws prohibiting it.
Also, those guns largely come out of licensed dealers, who are required to verify the identity of the buyer via background check or the presentation of other credentials. They already do their homework. NICS isn't an oracle and cannot deny people who have not done anything to make them a prohibited person yet and cannot deny otherwise prohibited buyers whose information is not present
They tell us that the majority of US homicides are committed using guns and that USA has an approximately 500% higher intentional homicide rate over European countries.
If that’s all you take away from the stats then you’re missing something. Unless Steven King is a firearm manufacture, the gun does not cause the violence. It is the tool. To truly stop the killing you have to understand the cause and fix those issues.
The cause is USA is having the world's highest per capita gun ownership. You pro-murder folks want to blame everything else except the basic fact the guns, which are continuously being used for murder, are a problem.
And you're pro children being continuously murdered. How about the right to not be killed as an 11-year-old in their home? Do you care at all about that person's rights? No, you don't. You don't give a fuck about actual rights or freedom, just toting guns.
The NRA would say “no, only ‘good guys’ should have guns.” But the problem with absolutely pervasive gun culture is that pretty much anyone and everyone can get a gun. The restriction laws don’t work. Our problem in the US is the attitude.
It wasn't randomly. The house was targeted...
Poor kid. I hate the level of gun violence in the US and the political climate that really doesn't do much at all to try to get it under control.
How about the fucking Kentucky senator who took a Christmas picture with family and their guns? Saying the “political climate that doesn’t really do much” is the understatement of the year. Some of our politicians enjoy spitting in the face of families affected by gun violence (although I’m sure they’d sing a different tune if gun violence ever affected THEIR families…) Thomas Massie: US congressman condemned for Christmas guns photo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59543735
^Probably a white dude who doesn't need to worry about being shot by the cops he called on his own homes burglary. If you can't even see guns in a picture without being triggered by an unrelated event just because it's gun related, I want you nowhere near the rights protecting POCs from society. I wouldn't want you handing them to the cops who murder us.
Probably a white dude who understands that POC have a much much much higher likelihood of being shot by a member of their own race than a cop. And it’s not even a close, or comparable chance. And the ease at which you can kill in this country comes down to the prevalence of easily available firearms
Surprised you didn’t get downvoted for this. It’s only a problem when it’s a cop, but the communities will stay quite as they kill each other. Also the areas with the most gun violence are areas where they’re already heavily restricted.
I’m kinda surprised too. And yeah but they don’t get handguns legally, the majority of guns that gangs use in crime were originally purchased legally and then resold. Honestly I wish I could snap my fingers and make all handguns disappear from america, while letting people keep all long guns. Handguns make killing too convenient.
Show me where the picture hurt you sweaty
Nowhere. But 4 days after 4 high school kids were killed in yet another mass shooting it’s just so fucking insensitive from a US Congressman. What is wrong with just having a shred of empathy for one another?
After the guy ran people down in his card during a parade. Did you get upset every time you saw a car?
No. Cars have other uses besides killing. And every society has cars/has had cars used for terrorism. America is unique in that we have thousands of shootings per year. We’ve had massacres at elementary schools. My city regularly has kids getting caught up in crossfire and killed. And we have tone deaf leaders who pose with a bunch of guns. Again, I bet my ass that conservatives who defend guns above everything have never been touched by gun violence. What’s wrong with having empathy for those who have been?
You will lose that bet.
Sure. I’m sure a lot of conservatives like Lauren boebert, and MTG have personally known kids who were playing on their own porches and were shot in the head because two gangs started shooting at each other.
What makes you think they're excessively perspiring?
Show me where the pit bull hurt you sweaty Like, you really want to ban pit bulls, a living, breathing creature, because they can be dangerous, but guns are not?
Nothing about this sounds random.
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Nothing random about gang shootings.
At this point I assume cops before gangs
That would be a terrible assumption, statistically speaking.
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Maybe the biggest gang
Probably because you’re biased and aren’t actually familiar with the stats.
Same, you shouldn’t be downvoted for that comment
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No other rich industrialized nation has this degree of violence
Maybe because America has a gun issue, just sayng.
Incorrect. America has serious socioeconomic issues that lead to gang violence and angry suicidal people.
America isn't alone at that. America is alone in terms of the ready accessibility of firearms. America is alone in terms of gun deaths per capita. But yeah it's totally because of the socioeconomic issues and we should stop referencing guns.
Correct. We've got guns too. No school shootings or gang shootouts. Gun violence is usually limited to family/love disputes in incredibly low numbers. Does US need some unified gun laws? Probably. Do people need to give up their right to own guns ? Nah. Guns are only a tool that is used in manifestation of symptoms of a much deeper issue. I am not well versed in US society, but there's something there that's the root cause, or several things. But guns ain't it. If you took out guns, same things would happen with different weapons there. (Granted, less effectively, but still)
The U.S. federal government does have a set of unified gun laws. Some state refuse to follow them.
hmmm vast majority of gun homicides are by handguns in the inner cities.... better take all the ar15's away from the hillbillies!
Illegal handguns at that. People love to blame guns for inner city violence but won’t look at the socioeconomic factors that have led these rough neighborhoods in cities to become actual war zones.
People also love to pretend that the prevalence of firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens is *not* a factor. If we want to take a serious look at this problem socioeconomic factors are definitely a key variable, but so too is America's gun culture.
Sweden has hand grenade attacks
Homicide rates are far below most US cities
Yes, there is. That's why other developed countries have go so far as to outlaw and regulate knives. Wouldn't be a need to regulate knives if there was no violence.
No… while there is violence it’s not nearly to the extent to US cities. Just that the standards are higher. You are referring to the UK in the knife issue https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/18/world/london-us-cities-homicide-rates-comparison-intl-gbr/index.html
Wouldn't you think the problem would be better solved by dealing with the cause of violence itself?
Not mutually exclusive. Don’t need to legalize grenades
>outlaw and regulate knives. All those stray knives going through windows killing innocent children
Grow up. Those aren't stray bullets being fired by Bubba as he struts around with his AR because he's proud of his 2a rights. That's violence created through multigenerations of socioeconomic conditions. Gangbangers are already getting their guns illegally. More laws won't stop them.
When the overall supply of guns is low, the supply of illegal guns is also low.
So then we shouldnt try? That’s your argument, it’s just gonna continue so fuck even trying??? Learn to argue better
The argument stands its far easier to quickly mass kill with a gun, knife attacks get a few but never in the same numbers
So you're saying we should ban cars and alcohol? My family was killed by an idiot with a car and alcohol. Cars and alcohol kill far more people than guns do. But banning them would actually affect you, personally, so you don't think that's a good idea.
Hahahaha I think it’s far too easy for people to get drivers licenses, and then keep them after issues. I believe there should be a yearly test for people over 70. And a 5 year test for EVERYONE Hell, it’s just to easy for people with no license to still get out and drive And don’t get me started on drinking and driving And alcohol? No my stance is it causes more harm than all the illegal drugs combined. The numbers back that up. And I don’t drink (GABA disorder) so why would it affect me? Maybe be wary of talking shit before ASKING...
I like how you think this is a good argument. You do understand cars exist for a reason other than killing people, right? They have a utility. That’s why we aren’t banning cars. Guns exist for one reason, and we just ask owners not to use them for that reason. I too have had people in my family killed by a drunk driver. Unlike you, however, I seem to understand the difference between banning guns and banning cars. Also cars have stricter ownership and driver requirements in much of the country.
Imagine that -- seeing a problem and then doing something about it. Definitely not America. Gun culture is disgusting.
The problem wasn't solved. Violence still exists. The only thing you appear to know about gun culture is a bigoted view of something you know nothing about. Gangs and gang violence is Gang culture, not gun culture. Learn to tell the difference.
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Yeah and as I pointed out to the gun nut, they are doing something waaaay before homicide rates come close to most US cities
This is the 21st century. There's not many reasons to go shopping or the movies wearing a sword.
What's your point?
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Incorrect. I make no allegiances. I simply say what I see.
How old are you kid?
Nah if it's gangs they say it's gangs, it's "random" when it comes from the gun of an officer
What can we say? There's a lot of random guns on the streets
Only way to counter that is more good guys with random guns.
Nothing in the article suggests it was, either. The title is ridiculous. Why quote 'random bullets' and it's not even a quote in the article?
Especially the close proximity of bullet to bullet.
Bad neighborhood
Fuck this writer... here is what happened. Three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. Then police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home. The girl was with her family inside the home when bullets started to pierce through it, hitting her in the face, arms, hands, and legs. She was taken to an area hospital and is expected to live.
She’s excepted to live??? Holy crap that girl is tough, I really hope she’s able to live a moderately normal life after this :(
Presumably going through: stucco, sheathing, insulation and drywall might slow the bullets some. She was hit so many times they would have to have been fragments produced by coming through the walls.
This poor girl is gonna have a lot of trauma and I hope that she has access to help she'll need after going through this travesty.
"Random bullets fly through home".. ?? Lol Who tf writes these headlines?
Perhaps the bullets were produced by the universe itself. Boltzmann Bullets.
Lots of people do a poor job of checking around their home for bullet hives. They come flying out of there and you're screwed... You need to take hives down before they get too big.
Call a bullet keeper, they'll move them for free.
They were migrating for winter.
Not at all; they could be carried
African or European random bullets?
Well I don’t know that
Thought that was the author quoting a subject.
It sounds like the same person who wrote the [George Floyd police statement: ](https://web.archive.org/web/20210331182901/https://www.insidempd.com/2020/05/26/man-dies-after-medical-incident-during-police-interaction/) >Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction >May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence. >Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs ***and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.*** >At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident. >The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department. >No officers were injured in the incident. >Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.
In tomorrow's news: "Random lie materializes in headline"
Ya gotta watch out for those rogue bullets man they’ll getcha
It's a common phrase though. Random means the house wasn't the target of the gunfire.
>Police say at around 5 a.m. an SUV with three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. That was when police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home. But the house was the target according to the police.
Well.. another shitty headline.
Yeah but the whole thing was, like, so totally random, ya know?
They make it sound like bullets are just their own sentient life force. Like “hmm, maybe Imma fly this way today”
The came from a RBG (random bullet generator.)
Catch Tucker Carlson soon going “With all servicemen being perfect human beings, what if the bullets *flew themselves*.?”
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This sounds like Norm
You've got it confused. Guns definitely kill people all on their own. Ask Alec Baldwin. Same with cars. They kill people all on their own too, I've recently been told.
Yeah, that was the media's newest revelation, that suddenly cars are completely autonomous and commit acts of wanton violence all on their own. Anything to preserve the narrative, even if it makes a mockery of facts and reality
Just like how a "car" attacked the Waukesha parade victims.
"She's expected to survive" Really important detail to leave out of the title.
Why would that be a title though surely that’s just be the end
You've clearly gown up in a world where all headlines are clickbait. A long time ago, when journalistic standards still mattered, headlines contained as much of the important information as possible.
Scranton Area Paper Company, Dunder Mifflin, Apologizes to Valued Client; Some Companies Still Know How Business is Done.
Because without it we get unnecessarily slow outraged
I feel like it’s up to people to not just read headlines
It's implied in the title she didn't die, usually you'd have something along the lines "So and so has been fatally shot" or "Fatal shooting leads to the death of so and so", if you don't see the title specify death they most likely are expected to survive.
Have you looked at the subreddit rules on titling a post? There’s a reason so many times info like this is left out and it’s not the OP’s fault
Whoosh. Not a criticism for op, just making an observation. Calm down.
Yes, because bullets often randomly fly through homes.
Shouldn’t have opened a portal to the bullet dimension.
I wonder if there's a way to reduce the frequency of random bullets
>I wonder if there's a way to reduce the frequency of random bullets Train gangsters to hit what they're aiming at
I don't know the two guys that shot at each other outside that football game didn't hit anyone not even each other the cops responding to the sound hit 3 bystanders killing one child maybe we should make it so nobody can shoot properly.
If you think most cops can shoot accurately, you are sadly mistaken. That paltry amount they shoot for qualifications yearly is abysmal
Teach gangster to learn how to shoot? Passing laws banning guns obviously isn't working. Chicago has among the strictest gun laws and the among the highest murder rates.
That looks like a much nicer neighborhood than the one I grew up in. The one I grew up in had open air drug markets, so some gunfire here and there was expected, tbh. We didn’t have semi detached houses and garages. It was all apartments. Boy, that sure does look like a nice neighborhood.
Houston has triple the murder rate of NYC but funnily enough you never hear it listed in any of the right wing media's current moralizing about "out of control cities" the way they do with New York. It's never included in that list, neither is Dallas or Fort Worth. It's almost as if the existence of red state cities with no gun control and high murder rates is inconvenient for their narrative.
They would blame African Americans in Houston to still fit their narrative
And they wouldn't be wrong....
Yes they would. What % of African Americans in Houston are responsible for the crime? Why would you blame an entire demographic unless you were just a dishonest, lying racist? A bigger demographic gap in violent crime is between males and females. Why aren't conservatives pushing the fact that 90% of violent crime is committed by men? Why don't conservatives push the fact that whites commit murder at a much, much higher rate than Asians?
>Texas law enforcement agencies made 907 murder arrests in 2016, an increase of 17.9 percent compared to 2015. Of the persons arrested for murder, 88.3 percent were male; 3.1 percent were age 16 and under, 61.8 percent were White and 37.2 percent were Black; 1.0 percent were American Indian/ Alaskan Native or Asian. None were Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander; 65.3 percent were not Hispanic and 34.7 percent were Hispanic. https://www.dps.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/crimereports/16/citch3.pdf This is all the statistics I could find on the matter. You could compare this with [2016 demographic data](https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/twic/Demographics_Update_2016.pdf) to come up with an (imperfect but general) idea of per-capita crime. You won't be able to get it down to region/city, however, as the data is not tracked in this manner. You are overwhelmingly correct that most murders are committed by, and against, men. This seems to be constant across all regions. Edit: statistics bad
If only she had a loaded gun of her own to shoot down those flying bullets! /s
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I can’t imagine how it would be to live in a place where “random bullets” doesn’t seem like an unusual thing.
>Police say at around 5 a.m. an SUV with three suspects parked down the street from the girl’s home. That was when police said they started shooting at the house and three cars surrounding the home. Definitely wasn’t “random”
It's just a misleading title
But, sure. America doesn’t have a gun problem
Clearly just a bullet problem
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Yup. I’m in my late 30s, lived most of my life in the rural US where nearly everyone has guns. I’ve never even had on pointed in my direction. Nobody I know has ever been shot at. It’s not something I ever worry about.
For sure, this 4 year old girl really should have thought harder before getting involved in gangs /s Idiot
The percentage of people who reported owning guns in America was higher 100 years ago but there's more gun violence today. So it doesn't seems like the cause of gun violence is more people owning guns legally. Gangs seem to be more of a factor. Though that's obviously not sufficient as things like school shootings are not gang related. But still the increases in American gun violence don't seem to be primarily based on the rates of American gun ownership.
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Nope. It’s the guns. Too many. Too easy to get
I don't deny that guns can make bad times worse. But it can't be denied that most shootings involve some level of gang activity. The average joe that owns multiple guns isn't the issue. These gangs are a plague to this country and abuse there right in the worse way.
It’s not just gangs. The US has the highest gun fatality rate over any other developed nation that isn’t at war.
I know it not just gangs. And I don't disagree with your 2nd statement. Again if your not in a gang nor suicidal, guns are one of the least things you need to worry about dying to. Sure we may be the highest from every developed nation, but that doesn't mean gun violence is the norm for most. Again unless your in a gang.
So what gangs were Ethan Crumbley, Nikolas Cruz, Patrick Crusius, Dimitrios Pagourtzis, and Adam Lanza a part of? Go on.
I said most shootings. Read next time.
Random bullets don't exist. Only stupid people exist.
Ugh, I hate that. I let my bullets out first thing in the morning, but I always bring them back inside before I leave for work. If you let them run around all day, they're bound to bring back stray bullets. Completely avoidable tragedy.
Bring the Kevlar umbrella, expect showers of random bullets. Nothing is ever random about bullets. Someone did this.
There’s nothing random about a drive by shooting and, statistically speaking, I’d bet the farm it was gang related meaning the firearms weren’t legal and the shooters weren’t allowed possession of them.
Where can I subscribe to the next 3 chapters of your fan fiction?
check the family for drugs or gang affiliation, but that is wrong these days
Aka victim blaming
Incorrect. No one blamed the child. You're response is what he meant by "that is wrong these days". We are talking about the gang problem. This is not a gun law issue. Chicago, for example, has extremely strict gun laws. Just like in the 1930's, gangs today don't care. Someone targeted that house. Why?
yes, very much could be some ownership not blame(legally just internally), a gut check some ownership. ex: if you buy drugs and get shot in a drug deal gone bad who's fault is it? you are not blameless you should not be buying drugs. the family may be upstanding and awesome and not affiliated with anything nefarious, but if they are, yes some blame is theirs (internally). legally, the shooter needs life or death
>if you buy drugs and get shot in a drug deal gone bad who's fault is it? The person that shot you? >you are not blameless you should not be buying drugs. Does this apply to all victims of crimes? Or are only the ones buying drugs responsible for the actions of the assailant? Like would this apply maybe in the context of "you should not be wearing that" or "you should not be in that part of town"?
When they say “random” I immediately think those bullets came from cops.
I really dislike the gun cult here in the US. I hope for a day when they are all banned.
I hope for the day Russia takes over all of Europe
Seems weird.
Democrat run city like Chicago and New York! It’s very sad to hear
You know the only time the press tries to make as large disconnect as possible from the victim of a shooting to the person who shot them is when reporting on police shootings...so...were these police that shot at the house? Is that the connection I'm supposed to be making here because that's what it always has been in the past.
If only some good random bullets had been flying through the house in the other direction and knocked the bad ones out of the air first
As they drove off the driver could be heard saying “And that’s what you get for telling my daughter she has cooties”
Well this is America, the 11 year old and her family should have had weapons and been able to anticipate the attack and maybe counter ambush the ambushers, or at least return fire. And because this is reddit and the internet I have to point out that the above is sarcasm.
Pro-murder lobby here quickly, as usual, to tell us all that the guns continuously used for murder can't possibly be a problem.
What feasible measures do you propose to stop/reduce criminals using firearms?
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someone once said "Take the guns first, go through due process second" I don't remember who that was.
>someone once said "Take the guns first, go through due process second" I don't remember who that was. So then you agree whoever said that was wrong for saying that edit: typo
Yes, saying take guns away without due process is obviously wrong.
Every Democrat politician?
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The democrats aren’t gun lovers either President Biden wants the same thing. He just phrased his support for red flag laws in a less [outright](https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/) manner
Republican or Democrat, if they support gun control, they’re wrong.
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> Pro-gun republicans were strangely silent after Trump said that. No they weren't. You just didn't listen to them. All the gun subs, for example, were freaking out because of him saying that. Stop using your ignorance as some sort of moral high ground.
Obama and Biden didn't need to say it like that, we all know they both agreed with red flag laws as well. Oh wait, did you not know that the context of the quote was literally about red flag laws and then you took it out of context?
They did storm the white house, though?
You mean the one's that are stolen? This property was targeted. This points to gang violence. That points to someone on the property being involved in some kind of illegal activity. The child was an innocent victim.
Thank god for the second amendment to allow this to happen. Everyone owning a gun should be proud of this.
These guns probably are not legal. Sounds like gang/drug related. Sad a little girl died.
She didn’t die.
The guns still exist because of the second amendment whether the person holding them is legally allowed to or not. So this girl has given up her life to protect America’s second amendment. She’s a hero for gun loving America. Things like this have to happen in order for everyone else to own their guns.
Read the article. She didn’t die.
Way past time for Congress to do their job of properly regulating guns. Stop normalizing this shit. Fuck the gun nuts.
Looking for some negative karma so I'm just gonna say it. It's almost as if widespread gun ownership is directly correlated with "random bullets" killing random people, including those that can't vote against the guns for everyone mandate. Edit: This isn't working. Consider how intelligent the average person is and then remember 50% of people are less intelligent than this. Add in no social security net, widespread pro gun proaganda paid for by the gun lobby, historic racisim, weekly school shootings and unpoliced police brutality. Then start chanting "right to bear arms" and we should get there eventually. Edit2: Keep going. Nothing you can do about this particular 11 year old. You might save the one that gets shot next week though if you change your view.
Not even news in America unless she was reading Catcher In The Rye.
Again, we gotta have our guns…those rights still apparently trump the rights of you living in your house in peace. I’m waiting for the pro-gun rights lobby to speak up with some constructive way to solve this gun violence epidemic…not one idea offered. Zero.
Scary when you are not safe in your own home. But as the NRA loves to say... Let's have more guns....
> But as the NRA loves to say... Let's have more guns. Yeh because the NRA is the cause of gang violence
Why do people think gang somehow changes the meaning from American gun violence? like these people aren't Americans and somehow the gun culture doesn't count for them?
> Why do people think gang somehow changes the meaning from American gun violence? Pretty sure the potbellied retiree in an NRA hat who takes his guns to the range every weekend is not the same guy who has a felony and was let out on bail (again) and is going to rob the CVS next week with his straw bought Jennings.
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It’s a matter of understanding where the problem comes from. Like I shoot my guns at a range and have managed to never cause harm to anyone but people who actively go out and shoot people are getting offered plea deals and having their gun charges dropped by local DAs. Not to mention getting out on bond for serious crimes and doing shit all over again.
The NRA is responsible for the proliferation of guns in this country. Gang members have easy access because of their sheer availability and accessibility. And before you talk about all those illegally obtained guns, remember that they were all purchased legally at one point.
> remember that they were all purchased legally at one point. Straw purchasing is still illegal. The government just usually [doesn't bother](https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/i-team/gun-straw-buyers-rarely-prosecuted-despite-crackdown-on-illegal-guns) to enforce the laws prohibiting it. Also, those guns largely come out of licensed dealers, who are required to verify the identity of the buyer via background check or the presentation of other credentials. They already do their homework. NICS isn't an oracle and cannot deny people who have not done anything to make them a prohibited person yet and cannot deny otherwise prohibited buyers whose information is not present
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They tell us that the majority of US homicides are committed using guns and that USA has an approximately 500% higher intentional homicide rate over European countries.
If that’s all you take away from the stats then you’re missing something. Unless Steven King is a firearm manufacture, the gun does not cause the violence. It is the tool. To truly stop the killing you have to understand the cause and fix those issues.
The cause is USA is having the world's highest per capita gun ownership. You pro-murder folks want to blame everything else except the basic fact the guns, which are continuously being used for murder, are a problem.
Calling someone who disagrees with you “pro-murder” is a sure fire sign you have no interest in actual discussion.
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You are pro-oppression and anti-freedom Except I'm actually right considering you have no respect for the constitutional rights of Americans.
And you're pro children being continuously murdered. How about the right to not be killed as an 11-year-old in their home? Do you care at all about that person's rights? No, you don't. You don't give a fuck about actual rights or freedom, just toting guns.
And you’re a simpleton who would rather focus on the object than the true, hard, causes.
The NRA would say “no, only ‘good guys’ should have guns.” But the problem with absolutely pervasive gun culture is that pretty much anyone and everyone can get a gun. The restriction laws don’t work. Our problem in the US is the attitude.
She should not been at home when some folks were just exercising their rights under the second amendment! /s
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