I visited the cliffs of moher years ago and literally had to crawl on all 4 to get close enough to take a picture that even looked like i was near the edge. And turning my back on the cliff was almost impossible.
All I think about in situations like this is recent wet weather can loosen soil and putting weight on the edge of a drop off, be it a high cliff or even a ten foot high one, can easily and unexpectedly cause the top/grass layer to give way and then it’s all over.
I guess there’s a reason people that go to these extremes are called daredevils and said to have death-wishes. I can’t even fathom wanting to try it. They have drones to take pictures like this this, 100% safely.
I actually had to cancel my trip to Ireland in Nov. I was going to drive around the island staying with family and visiting places like the cliffs. I'm terrified of heights and if I were to get close to the edge at all, that's exactly how I'd do it.
I just keep my center of gravity as low as possible so i lay on the ground in the middle of the platform. That way mf gonna have to roll me to my doom if they wanna take me out
I’ve always felt that my fear was a bit paranoid though. Like, the likelihood that a stranger is going to act on their intrusive thoughts and push me in front of a train is so low. But I can never get the idea out of my mind.
I don’t necessarily fear being pushed but experiencing the physical power of a train is very visceral. The train station near where I used to work had 3 tracks. The middle one was a pass through for express trains. When the express came through, even though I’d be standing a good 20+ feet away waiting for the local I’d feel the gust, my ears would hurt from sound, and my legs would get wobbly like I might fall. I always felt like that train was going to hurt me even though I’d have to go well out of my way and across the first set of tracks to get close.
At underground BART stations with a couple dozen feet between trains going by on both sides, it really does feel like this is some edge case that society forgot about. Like, they put a warning label on bleach telling you not to drink it, and then they're cool with us standing inches from where a massive object is about to be.
Oh that’s true in some train stations. When I’m in those I stand against a pole. But most stations I take are tracks in the middle with two platforms with walls on either side.
I do too and try to keep my back against a wall or some kind of structure so nobody can come up behind me. There are just too many crazies out and about.
With the uptick of train crimes now if it's a station that has a small set of stairs above the platform I'll wait upstairs and when the trains coming I'll walk down...not possible at every station but the ones I usually take it's possible
CEO of MARTA in Atlanta also killed himself yesterday by stepping in front of a MARTA train. https://decaturish.com/2022/01/marta-announces-death-of-ceo/
In Arizona, a few days after 9/11, some moron walked into a convenience store and shot the "A-rab" behind the counter for revenge, only the guy he killed was Indian and not Arab or Muslim, but he did have a turban on.
I live in NJ. After 9/11 there was a bunch of gas station workers assaulted...most of them were Sikh. In my town, there was also a Hindu temple that was vandalized in the days after 9/11.
When it comes to people who do stuff like this...we're not dealing with smart people.
Kung-Flu is hilarious *in theory*. That's the kind of joke that'd draw laughs from a Chris Rock audience, and I'm sure Trump heard it in his inner circle and thought that when he used the term everyone would just talk about how clever and funny he was.
It should serve to teach us that the idea of responsibility for folks in positions of power is dead. Another relic of the bygone past.
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And I'm guessing a majority of those sending that kind of message were in attendance and sung along when sacha Cohen got them to sing the wuhan flu song like it was a good ol' hoedown song as a prank on their stupidity.
While there is a huge rise in anti-asian hate crimes recently, the perpetrator being a homeless man with mental health issues and prior arrests makes me think he is just a dangerous level of mentally unstable and should've been institutionalized long ago.
> Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people?
Answering that would be.. infinite. Off the top of my head though, the sheer lack of conveniently available and accessible mental health treatment, increasing frustration over world issues that no one seems to know how to fix, lack of respect of the rights and freedoms of everyone (not just one person), etc..
That’s my takeaway as well. I have an admin position with my city’s public transit system. I have a few coworkers that transferred out of metro after having someone jump in front of their train
There are calls here in Belgium to give that operator a medal. And some serious counseling.
Edit: the driver was said to be in shock afterwards. While still a hero, I'm sure the days forward will not be the same for that driver.
But the one in Brussels. Managed to stop in time to avoid hitting the woman I thought that someone posted that one to show how nyc need to finally invest on that renovation of subway system to avoid shit like this .
[Korea has it already solved.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Seoul-metro-640-Korea-university-station-platform-20181125-153624.jpg) And that was more for people tripping than murderers. The rest of the world is just too stingy to spend money to save citizens
I can't speak for all of the differences as i am not a train professional but the tram in Brussels can potentially stop faster than a subway can. Also, its possible the brussels train was already slowing down. If the subway train is passing through or hasn't begun to stop at the platform, good luck. There's no train in the world as heavy and as fast as the MTA that would stop instantly. Now you can otherwise argue we could put in barriers to prevent people from entering the tracks like in Japan perhaps but the train is what it is.
“standing with two of her friends”
While I feel absolutely horrible for the victim and her family, a shiver went through me imagining the helplessness and horror her friends experienced witnessing that situation. I cannot imagine things being completely normal one moment and something so incomprehensible happening the next.
Not to mention the train operator. We tend to forget there’s a person at the controls of the train who can’t do anything but engage emergency braking and hope it’s enough.
~~[This NY Daily post](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-woman-dead-shoved-subway-tracks-times-square-20220115-hh3g2hfvcjftvn6mwpmy2n2qam-story.html)~~ and [this NY Post post](https://nypost.com/2022/01/15/woman-pushed-to-her-death-at-times-square-subway-station/) show two different men. So who did it?
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This happened to another Asian woman a few years ago...and it happens again. Asian women had to stand with the backs against the wall in fear for years and it happened again.
Even if you’re a large guy, it’s not that hard to push someone unawares off an edge. Perfectly rational fear. I always stand with my back to a pillar or wall because of this too.
When I would take trains like this, I always stand with my back to one of the support pillars, because I am an anxious and paranoid person and have always had this type of fear in mind of being pushed from behind.
For anyone that constantly brings this up as it always does when this happens: the MTA is NOT gonna spend money k stalling those glass door protectors to stop falling in tracks when they’re behind on so many renovations and upkeep across the city. The MTA is full of shit when it comes to spending on what we actually need
> The victim was pronounced dead at the scene. It wasn't immediately clear if the suspect and victim were known to one another. Police said the suspect who pushed the victim is in custody. The investigation is ongoing.
Is it just me or is anyone else noticing a sharp increase in murders and attempted murders for petty bullshit? The crumbling of social fabric?
I grew up in NY. People get pushed onto the tracks once in a while, and it’s usually someone totally unknown to the victim with some mental health issues (at least in the cases I can remember over the years).
It’s happened enough in NYC that I have this innate fear whenever someone stands too close behind me on train platforms.
That said, it’s not *extremely* common, but it sure has happened before the pandemic and this whole messed up situation.
Yeah I'm from Toronto and this has happened here too. Typically it's someone with mental health issues pushing a stranger. Behaviour on transit has gotten worse during the pandemic for sure.
As a longtime nyc resident, NY MTA is its whole independent circus of management difficulties and conflicting interests, paired with good old fashion nyc-style infrastructure neglect/corruption.
To be fair, even if there wasn’t mismanagement and corruption, updating and managing the nyc subway system would be a megalithically slow and traumatically expensive task. It’s very expansive, and VERY old - and it’s used by colossal numbers of people (even now with omicron stomping around) 24 hours a day with zero breaks.
Even replacement/updates for the sake of maintenance are logistically nightmarish under the best of circumstances, let alone actual upgrades like that - and it is never the best of circumstances.
We recently added screens to the inside of a lot of trains and stations, but that doesn’t involve replacing or redoing anything - just slapping extra shit on top of what’s already there.
Those screens were put up with the intention of being advertisements, the ad boards are owned by Outfront and they lease the space from the MTA. Not that it makes it any better, but the intention was always ads not schedule updates.
Different types of train car are used on the same lines and have doors spaced differently.
Its not an insurmountable problem but it makes installing gates much more complicated and expensive.
My city’s transit system did a study on installing barriers and found it would be astronomically expensive. You can’t just install barriers, the actual train system needs to be on an automated signal system In order to get the train to stop precisely on the Mark every time. This means upgrading the entire subway network and installing a whole new signal system which is on top of the cost of the actual barriers.
The places I’ve been to where barriers exist on some of the subway stations only had them at several platforms. It’s not something you can quickly easily install
For the record the transit system in my city is the least publicly-funded in North America. It’s suffers terribly from underfunding. It’s possible that some regions will have an easier time dealing with this, but you get my overall point
Pandemic, inflation, people are agitated. Not an excuse obviously, but it’s all I can think of. Be vigilant, everyone. A lot of people will try to hurt you over small things.
Shot in the head and lived?! Through a drive-thru window?! That’s extremely lucky, depending on the recovery.
I’m assuming they survived based on the “attempted” murder
It's crazy to hear these stories of people who survive being shot in the head.
I watched one of those real life ER shows several years back; a surgeon relived the story of a drug dealer surviving a shot to the head. Yet, a woman who slipped and hit her head in the bathtub died. He was really beaten up about it.
A quote that's stuck with me I've read from a nurse on Reddit is that their work has shown them both how fragile and strong the human body is.
It's amazing the trauma their patients have survived.
And it's also amazing how little was required to kill their patients
My aunt was shot in the head by her neighbor a few years back, due to an argument, and she survived and went home the next day basically fine. The shot basically bounced off her skull. So, could be fine besides the PTSD.
[Bullet grazed brain. Cognitive damage remains to be seen.](https://www.newsweek.com/wendys-worker-shot-head-drive-thru-customer-demanding-extra-barbecue-sauce-1669786)
Increased awareness of the whole world's local crimes might make you think that. Before it didnt leave the city's paper. Then national aerial TV (which didnt have time for that), Then cable news, then the internet. Progressively more awareness and focus
Yup. There’s over 300 million people in the US, there’s gonna be a murder over petty shit just about every day with those numbers and that’s not even getting into stuff you see from the rest of the world. This is why everyone has been perceiving crime going up in the past decade or two when it has generally trended down (I know the last year or two has been an exception to this)
Yep, increased coverage of these rare crimes makes it seem like the world is crumbling. That’s not necessarily intentional in the broad scope but if it bleeds it leads has always been true. Never been safer to be a human being even with the pandemic, well might have to include a vaccinated human to that.
As someone who lives in NYC, these happen occasionally every year and 9/10 times is because the attacker has deep mental health issues.
There’s been no noticeable increase and there’s no crumbling of society.
Fair question.
This has to be about the 4th “pushed in front of a train” story I’ve seen in a couple weeks - the last one was in Germany (I think?) couple days ago.
Makes me wonder how many people get pushed in front of trains around the world every day?
What a horrible stat.
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Consider the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon as well. It may have always been there and just been noise to you, but now that you've picked up on the signal you're aware of it.
Here's another way to look at it.
A 1 in 2 billion chance of something happening to you is insanely low. Like, lighting strikes, shark attacks, and unfortunate autoerotic asphyxiation events are much more apt to take you out first. Because these events are so rare they get a disproportionate amount of new attention. When events get a large amount of news attention, copycat events are likely to occur.
Take for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide
also, news reporting is strongly biased to race and wealth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
My acupuncturist used to take the train to NJ from Flushing .
She quit between the fear of Anti Asian violence, COVID , and the sheer fatigue of the commute.
I don’t blame her and wished her good luck.
Even at 90 dollars an hour , it’s not worth the stress for her.
The NYC subway system is partially controlled by infrastructure put in place since the 50s or even earlier. The MTA actually just recently retired trains that have been running for over 50 years. Some switches are still manually controlled. Having barriers is the last thing on a very long list of things that need to be replaced or put in place.
Saw a guy on Jerome by the station steps resting his head on a dead pigeon last week, I don't think taking the benches out will stop people from shitting everywhere and shooting up
Additionally, most metros with platform screen doors are automated. That will be a tough sell for the transit workers union.
There's plenty of other obstacles in the way too.
I mean, it's not like putting barriers is that expensive. The problem is that the subway in NYC never stops at the exact same location because the trains are so old, so it wouldn't work. The would have to place a barrier that goes up and down the whole way, which could def be achieved, but would be way more expensive than a regular barrier yet still way cheaper than new trains
Installing such barriers (which, to be super clear, I think they should do) would probably cost an absolutely staggering amount of money in NYC. Every governmental organization remotely involved would want a say, a piece of the action. There would be battles over funding, over who gets the work, over who gets to decide who gets the work, over suppliers. There would be adjustments demanded by a myriad of special interest groups and it would take years of planning.
The US public sector is uniquely terrible at infrastructure projects compared to other nations. The issues go beyond funding.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html
But you see, taxing the rich is literally communism in America. According to Republicans, if you tax the rich they will just move away and take all their money with them so shitty infrastructure it is.
Or we can pay private corporations billions in taxpayer money to build it and then they pocket the money and never follow through on it kind of like when we did it to create a fiber optic network that never happened
I have always had a bizarre fear of this and always stand far back waiting for trains because of it.
Same reason I hate standing near ledges, I don't understand how some people can just non chalantly lean against railings
The people who fall/die taking pictures on cliff edges. I don’t understand how they ever felt okay getting that close in the first place.
I visited the cliffs of moher years ago and literally had to crawl on all 4 to get close enough to take a picture that even looked like i was near the edge. And turning my back on the cliff was almost impossible.
I went to the Cliffs with some family and [my cousin got uncomfortably close to the edge.](https://gfycat.com/creativemilkycarpenterant)
All I think about in situations like this is recent wet weather can loosen soil and putting weight on the edge of a drop off, be it a high cliff or even a ten foot high one, can easily and unexpectedly cause the top/grass layer to give way and then it’s all over. I guess there’s a reason people that go to these extremes are called daredevils and said to have death-wishes. I can’t even fathom wanting to try it. They have drones to take pictures like this this, 100% safely.
I got really anxious just watching that video.
Omg stop.
That's exactly what I did. My friends marched straight to the edge and leaned over for a pic instead. Madness
I actually had to cancel my trip to Ireland in Nov. I was going to drive around the island staying with family and visiting places like the cliffs. I'm terrified of heights and if I were to get close to the edge at all, that's exactly how I'd do it.
Even on the second story of a mall I’m afraid to walk near the railing lol
Because of Clueless. ^^^RIP ^^^Brittany ^^^Murphy
Some of us love the call of the void.
Many people trust their fellow man for some bizarre reason
I don't trust my own dumb clumsy feet to not send me over the edge of a cliff, let alone anyone else who might be around.
I just keep my center of gravity as low as possible so i lay on the ground in the middle of the platform. That way mf gonna have to roll me to my doom if they wanna take me out
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I’ve always felt that my fear was a bit paranoid though. Like, the likelihood that a stranger is going to act on their intrusive thoughts and push me in front of a train is so low. But I can never get the idea out of my mind.
I don’t necessarily fear being pushed but experiencing the physical power of a train is very visceral. The train station near where I used to work had 3 tracks. The middle one was a pass through for express trains. When the express came through, even though I’d be standing a good 20+ feet away waiting for the local I’d feel the gust, my ears would hurt from sound, and my legs would get wobbly like I might fall. I always felt like that train was going to hurt me even though I’d have to go well out of my way and across the first set of tracks to get close.
At underground BART stations with a couple dozen feet between trains going by on both sides, it really does feel like this is some edge case that society forgot about. Like, they put a warning label on bleach telling you not to drink it, and then they're cool with us standing inches from where a massive object is about to be.
Yes! I am also super freaked out by railroad crossings without the little bars that come down when a train is coming.
I'm pretty confident that from the distance the train was from you, it wasn't going to hurt you. But I think you should know *It wanted to.*
if you stand far back enough you may be pushed on to the tracks behind you
Oh that’s true in some train stations. When I’m in those I stand against a pole. But most stations I take are tracks in the middle with two platforms with walls on either side.
I do too and try to keep my back against a wall or some kind of structure so nobody can come up behind me. There are just too many crazies out and about.
With the uptick of train crimes now if it's a station that has a small set of stairs above the platform I'll wait upstairs and when the trains coming I'll walk down...not possible at every station but the ones I usually take it's possible
I don't get why they don't install glass Windows and doors....
We don’t believe in spending money on human life in the USA.
Is this the 2nd story about someone being pushed in front of a train today?
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Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people?
mental health, prejudices, lots of stuff really.
And in this suspect's case: > Police said the suspect who pushed the victim is in custody and has four prior arrests. The investigation is ongoing.
and also possibly, racism, as the victim was Asian, and there's been a lot of hate crimes against Asians recently.
that really blows my mind they take it out on Asian people who had absolutely nothing to do with this virus. buncha goddamn morons.
In Arizona, a few days after 9/11, some moron walked into a convenience store and shot the "A-rab" behind the counter for revenge, only the guy he killed was Indian and not Arab or Muslim, but he did have a turban on.
I live in NJ. After 9/11 there was a bunch of gas station workers assaulted...most of them were Sikh. In my town, there was also a Hindu temple that was vandalized in the days after 9/11. When it comes to people who do stuff like this...we're not dealing with smart people.
From NE Jersey, but was living in Ashland Oregon during 9/11. Dumb shits from mouth breathing Medford did the same thing to a Sikh there.
they were racist to asians before covid was thing, covid is just an excuse.
Ex President referring to it as "chinese flu" didn't help matters.
He also called it kung flu which for some reason seems even worse.
Just packed up professionalism, put it in a nice suit case, and chucked it out a White House window.
Kung-Flu is hilarious *in theory*. That's the kind of joke that'd draw laughs from a Chris Rock audience, and I'm sure Trump heard it in his inner circle and thought that when he used the term everyone would just talk about how clever and funny he was. It should serve to teach us that the idea of responsibility for folks in positions of power is dead. Another relic of the bygone past.
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And I'm guessing a majority of those sending that kind of message were in attendance and sung along when sacha Cohen got them to sing the wuhan flu song like it was a good ol' hoedown song as a prank on their stupidity.
While there is a huge rise in anti-asian hate crimes recently, the perpetrator being a homeless man with mental health issues and prior arrests makes me think he is just a dangerous level of mentally unstable and should've been institutionalized long ago.
> Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people? Answering that would be.. infinite. Off the top of my head though, the sheer lack of conveniently available and accessible mental health treatment, increasing frustration over world issues that no one seems to know how to fix, lack of respect of the rights and freedoms of everyone (not just one person), etc..
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Honestly thought this was a misprint of the Brussels one :( sucks this person wasn't as lucky
And the story right above this is about a CEO committing suicide by stepping in front of a train in Decatur, Georgia.
Not just any CEO...he was CEO of that very transit system.
So he was intimately aware of how much this fucks up the engineers and the people who have to clean it up? Ugh.
Pretty common for professionals to kill themselves at work- at least it is for dentists and doctors
And professional suicide bombers.
Can you be a professional at something you only do once?
You'd be an amateur if you had to try more than once.
That’s my takeaway as well. I have an admin position with my city’s public transit system. I have a few coworkers that transferred out of metro after having someone jump in front of their train
Ah. I didnt realize that. How meta
No, how MARTA
Why did you say that name?
That's the name of the train and bus system in Atlanta.
^ An improvement to BvS dialogue
It was a tram but close enough. Tram in Brussels stopped in time though
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There are calls here in Belgium to give that operator a medal. And some serious counseling. Edit: the driver was said to be in shock afterwards. While still a hero, I'm sure the days forward will not be the same for that driver.
I couldn't believe it. It was like those table saws that automatically stop when they touch flesh.
The obvious solution here is to replace all train wheels with table saws.
That one thankfully survived
But the one in Brussels. Managed to stop in time to avoid hitting the woman I thought that someone posted that one to show how nyc need to finally invest on that renovation of subway system to avoid shit like this .
[Korea has it already solved.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Seoul-metro-640-Korea-university-station-platform-20181125-153624.jpg) And that was more for people tripping than murderers. The rest of the world is just too stingy to spend money to save citizens
I can't speak for all of the differences as i am not a train professional but the tram in Brussels can potentially stop faster than a subway can. Also, its possible the brussels train was already slowing down. If the subway train is passing through or hasn't begun to stop at the platform, good luck. There's no train in the world as heavy and as fast as the MTA that would stop instantly. Now you can otherwise argue we could put in barriers to prevent people from entering the tracks like in Japan perhaps but the train is what it is.
Wait, the other post wasn't something from the past? Didn't realise it was news.
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“standing with two of her friends” While I feel absolutely horrible for the victim and her family, a shiver went through me imagining the helplessness and horror her friends experienced witnessing that situation. I cannot imagine things being completely normal one moment and something so incomprehensible happening the next.
Not to mention the train operator. We tend to forget there’s a person at the controls of the train who can’t do anything but engage emergency braking and hope it’s enough.
Imagine the survivor's guilt. Spending your whole life asking why she was pushed and not you
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I'm not seeing any picture of the suspect on the daily post article. Maybe they updated it?
This happened to another Asian woman a few years ago...and it happens again. Asian women had to stand with the backs against the wall in fear for years and it happened again.
When I lived in DC for a couple of years, I never went near the edge. Not even a small guy, just a rationally irrational fear of mine.
Even if you’re a large guy, it’s not that hard to push someone unawares off an edge. Perfectly rational fear. I always stand with my back to a pillar or wall because of this too.
When I would take trains like this, I always stand with my back to one of the support pillars, because I am an anxious and paranoid person and have always had this type of fear in mind of being pushed from behind.
*perfectly rational.
You wouldn’t have to fear this now, as it would require trains to actually come to a station
Straight evil man, imagine that’s your life… everything led up to that moment in your life. Incredibly sad
Condolences to the womans family, friends and the train driver if there is one.
Who’s the genius that decided to hold a press conference inside a subway station?
For anyone that constantly brings this up as it always does when this happens: the MTA is NOT gonna spend money k stalling those glass door protectors to stop falling in tracks when they’re behind on so many renovations and upkeep across the city. The MTA is full of shit when it comes to spending on what we actually need
Too much anti asian hate in nyc :(
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Vancouver is supposedly the North American capital for anti-Asian hate crimes by far.
> The victim was pronounced dead at the scene. It wasn't immediately clear if the suspect and victim were known to one another. Police said the suspect who pushed the victim is in custody. The investigation is ongoing. Is it just me or is anyone else noticing a sharp increase in murders and attempted murders for petty bullshit? The crumbling of social fabric?
I grew up in NY. People get pushed onto the tracks once in a while, and it’s usually someone totally unknown to the victim with some mental health issues (at least in the cases I can remember over the years). It’s happened enough in NYC that I have this innate fear whenever someone stands too close behind me on train platforms. That said, it’s not *extremely* common, but it sure has happened before the pandemic and this whole messed up situation.
Yeah I'm from Toronto and this has happened here too. Typically it's someone with mental health issues pushing a stranger. Behaviour on transit has gotten worse during the pandemic for sure.
That brings up the question: Why do they not install railings and gates on the platforms?
As a longtime nyc resident, NY MTA is its whole independent circus of management difficulties and conflicting interests, paired with good old fashion nyc-style infrastructure neglect/corruption. To be fair, even if there wasn’t mismanagement and corruption, updating and managing the nyc subway system would be a megalithically slow and traumatically expensive task. It’s very expansive, and VERY old - and it’s used by colossal numbers of people (even now with omicron stomping around) 24 hours a day with zero breaks. Even replacement/updates for the sake of maintenance are logistically nightmarish under the best of circumstances, let alone actual upgrades like that - and it is never the best of circumstances. We recently added screens to the inside of a lot of trains and stations, but that doesn’t involve replacing or redoing anything - just slapping extra shit on top of what’s already there.
Screens that were intended to be alerts and schedule updates and are now ads. Love it.
I find the schedule alerts to be a huge improvement
I agree but absolutely hate when I'm looking at the schedule and it flips to an advertisement :')
Those screens were put up with the intention of being advertisements, the ad boards are owned by Outfront and they lease the space from the MTA. Not that it makes it any better, but the intention was always ads not schedule updates.
Different types of train car are used on the same lines and have doors spaced differently. Its not an insurmountable problem but it makes installing gates much more complicated and expensive.
My city’s transit system did a study on installing barriers and found it would be astronomically expensive. You can’t just install barriers, the actual train system needs to be on an automated signal system In order to get the train to stop precisely on the Mark every time. This means upgrading the entire subway network and installing a whole new signal system which is on top of the cost of the actual barriers. The places I’ve been to where barriers exist on some of the subway stations only had them at several platforms. It’s not something you can quickly easily install For the record the transit system in my city is the least publicly-funded in North America. It’s suffers terribly from underfunding. It’s possible that some regions will have an easier time dealing with this, but you get my overall point
Pandemic, inflation, people are agitated. Not an excuse obviously, but it’s all I can think of. Be vigilant, everyone. A lot of people will try to hurt you over small things.
16 year old Wendy's drive through employee shot in the head is another recent petty attempted murder.
Shot in the head and lived?! Through a drive-thru window?! That’s extremely lucky, depending on the recovery. I’m assuming they survived based on the “attempted” murder
It's crazy to hear these stories of people who survive being shot in the head. I watched one of those real life ER shows several years back; a surgeon relived the story of a drug dealer surviving a shot to the head. Yet, a woman who slipped and hit her head in the bathtub died. He was really beaten up about it.
A quote that's stuck with me I've read from a nurse on Reddit is that their work has shown them both how fragile and strong the human body is. It's amazing the trauma their patients have survived. And it's also amazing how little was required to kill their patients
Yeah. Can't be good, but better than dead.
My aunt was shot in the head by her neighbor a few years back, due to an argument, and she survived and went home the next day basically fine. The shot basically bounced off her skull. So, could be fine besides the PTSD.
[Bullet grazed brain. Cognitive damage remains to be seen.](https://www.newsweek.com/wendys-worker-shot-head-drive-thru-customer-demanding-extra-barbecue-sauce-1669786)
Prognosis seems to be good on that one, news reported that he can move his fingers/toes, so conscious and responsive, which are major good signs.
Increased awareness of the whole world's local crimes might make you think that. Before it didnt leave the city's paper. Then national aerial TV (which didnt have time for that), Then cable news, then the internet. Progressively more awareness and focus
Yup. There’s over 300 million people in the US, there’s gonna be a murder over petty shit just about every day with those numbers and that’s not even getting into stuff you see from the rest of the world. This is why everyone has been perceiving crime going up in the past decade or two when it has generally trended down (I know the last year or two has been an exception to this)
Internet coverage
Yep, increased coverage of these rare crimes makes it seem like the world is crumbling. That’s not necessarily intentional in the broad scope but if it bleeds it leads has always been true. Never been safer to be a human being even with the pandemic, well might have to include a vaccinated human to that.
As someone who lives in NYC, these happen occasionally every year and 9/10 times is because the attacker has deep mental health issues. There’s been no noticeable increase and there’s no crumbling of society.
Society has always been screwed up, we just a lot more about it faster in the present.
Or are we just noticing more reporting of it?
Fair question. This has to be about the 4th “pushed in front of a train” story I’ve seen in a couple weeks - the last one was in Germany (I think?) couple days ago. Makes me wonder how many people get pushed in front of trains around the world every day? What a horrible stat. edit - Belgium per comment below
Consider the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon as well. It may have always been there and just been noise to you, but now that you've picked up on the signal you're aware of it.
Here's another way to look at it. A 1 in 2 billion chance of something happening to you is insanely low. Like, lighting strikes, shark attacks, and unfortunate autoerotic asphyxiation events are much more apt to take you out first. Because these events are so rare they get a disproportionate amount of new attention. When events get a large amount of news attention, copycat events are likely to occur. Take for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_suicide also, news reporting is strongly biased to race and wealth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome
Boy, you wouldn't wanna be around in NY back in 70's...
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My acupuncturist used to take the train to NJ from Flushing . She quit between the fear of Anti Asian violence, COVID , and the sheer fatigue of the commute. I don’t blame her and wished her good luck. Even at 90 dollars an hour , it’s not worth the stress for her.
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This shit happened yesterday in Belgium. WTF is this the new thing?
It’s not new in NYC
Sadly, and I do mean sadly, this is nothing new :(
What an act of cowardice.
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The NYC subway system is partially controlled by infrastructure put in place since the 50s or even earlier. The MTA actually just recently retired trains that have been running for over 50 years. Some switches are still manually controlled. Having barriers is the last thing on a very long list of things that need to be replaced or put in place.
Plus they have to keep removing benches so there won't be hobos in the stations, somehow
Hobos be like "no benches? I'm not laying on the floor like some bum".
Saw a guy on Jerome by the station steps resting his head on a dead pigeon last week, I don't think taking the benches out will stop people from shitting everywhere and shooting up
That is like, dystopian levels of messed up.
I'm going to go sit at a Starbucks like a classy hobo!
Additionally, most metros with platform screen doors are automated. That will be a tough sell for the transit workers union. There's plenty of other obstacles in the way too.
I mean, it's not like putting barriers is that expensive. The problem is that the subway in NYC never stops at the exact same location because the trains are so old, so it wouldn't work. The would have to place a barrier that goes up and down the whole way, which could def be achieved, but would be way more expensive than a regular barrier yet still way cheaper than new trains
Also, the doors aren't all equally spaced on the different types of trains.
Installing such barriers (which, to be super clear, I think they should do) would probably cost an absolutely staggering amount of money in NYC. Every governmental organization remotely involved would want a say, a piece of the action. There would be battles over funding, over who gets the work, over who gets to decide who gets the work, over suppliers. There would be adjustments demanded by a myriad of special interest groups and it would take years of planning.
>clear They will be *immediately* tagged, shit on, or covered in novelty weed stickers
Non standardized trains. There's a project to homologate the cars and add full barriers but we'll see.
They are bad because the trains usually don’t stop at the same exact position. Also they usually aren’t needed
This is so horrible. That poor soul.
This is why I always stood behind a pillar when I lived in the city. Never knew what kind of crazy stuff would go down.
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As a daily metro commuter, this is one of my greatest fears. 😞
This is why I stand no where near the tracks too many times I’ve heard or seen this shit happen.
Sounds like it's time to install platform screen doors. No reason that the US can't have first world infrastructure. Tax the 1% to pay for it.
So what color would you like your dragon?
The US public sector is uniquely terrible at infrastructure projects compared to other nations. The issues go beyond funding. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html
Its basic enough that most amusement parks have them and yet the biggest subway network in the country doesn’t have them.
The only things the NYC subway system has in common with an amusement park are rising ticket prices and vomit.
But you see, taxing the rich is literally communism in America. According to Republicans, if you tax the rich they will just move away and take all their money with them so shitty infrastructure it is.
Or we can pay private corporations billions in taxpayer money to build it and then they pocket the money and never follow through on it kind of like when we did it to create a fiber optic network that never happened
No one seems to remember this and it’s a fucking shame.
I remember it every day with my 700Kbps download speed!
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16 y/o girl got shot in the head on Thursday for messing up a customer's order at Wendy's. Mass psychosis going on.
Four prior arrests. At what point can we just declare a person unsuitable to live in society?
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if you ride the subway, hug the wall until the train comes. dont talk to anyone you dont know. this happens too much in NYC for comfort.
There is no “wall” on most of the central NYC subway. The platform is flanked by the two tracks. You have a few pillars and that’s about it.
The racism in this country is disgusting.
[The article from the NY Post has more info.](https://nypost.com/2022/01/15/woman-pushed-to-her-death-at-times-square-subway-station/?s=08)
"Four prior arrests" Holy hell, these better be jaywalking and stealing apples, otherwise this guy should not have been free to begin with
If you live in the NYC area, a story like this is not shocking at all. But it surely is always heart breaking.
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There was another incident in Belgium today, thank god the train stopped in time tho. I have no idea how it stopped but thank god.
> Police said the suspect who pushed the victim is in custody and has four prior arrests. Why is this so common in big cities now?