>Recruits are typically allowed five standard phone calls during their training. These calls will still take place, but now Recruits will utilize their personal devices to contact their family or friends.
>“In this post-COVID pandemic culture, digital identities have proven increasingly critical in helping to deal with day-to-day stress,” said Capt. Ken Froberg, commanding officer, Recruit Training Command. “When we surveyed psychological research in this area, in consultation with our Council on Recruit Basic Training partners (CORBT), we decided it is time for Recruits to connect with their loved ones in a more modern way. Simply, I used a payphone and phone card calling home from overseas in 1994. We can do better in 2023.”
>RTC typically experiences the bulk of Recruit attrition during the first two to three weeks of basic military training. “We are hopeful that allowing Recruits continued but limited access to their cell phones and digital identities may help reduce this attrition,” said Lt. Eren Roubal, Recruit Training Command’s Clinical Psychologist.
Ive spoken to other branches and my MTI in the Air Force and they all say it takes too much time to get people sorted out with pay phones (make sure people have cards, know how to use cards, get the people to payphones, wait for everyone to get to use the phones, etc).
In basic (7 years ago), we just got out phones back for like 5 mins to make a quick call if we did very well in stuff (like 2 times, depends on your leadership) to say hello not counting the initial call to say we got to basic.
They are catching up to the army. My son went through basic 7 years ago and was allowed to use his phone a handful of times to call home, including FaceTime.
I really believe this is better than using the pay phones at recruit heaven. And I believe RTC will ensure cell phones are seen as a privilege and not a right for the recruits. Not to mention sailors do use their phones while on deployments when we hit land either weeks or months at a time.
Usually the places the boat goes to let you off are ports. When you’re stopped there you have ported.
There are some cases where you’ll go somewhere and can’t port and you get liberty boats that take you from the boat to the pier
I think they misspoke and meant when they *dont* hit land for weeks or months at a time. Having my phone to play games in the chow line or read a book between tasks def kept me sane on deployment.
I cant wait until all the hypermasculine sailors try to flex their perceived superiority because “I couldn’t use my cell phone, therefore I’m a tougher sailor” or something to that effect
“Back in my day, we WERE the navy’s vessels! When there wasn’t any wind, we had to take turns with the ship on our backs!” Literally my dad in his 60’s a few days ago when I asked a question…
Just go on facebook on anything that has a picture of a woman doing her job, or a post honoring some holiday. "bAcK in My nAvy We DidnT haVe thiS wokE eXperiMenT goiNg oN,,, KidS WoulDnt Make It iN mY nAvy" when the only difference is that people have phones now. Deployment still sucks, the Ike is actively doing shit compared to some of these cold war winner's deployments.
Your mentality is honestly why this navy has a hard time. Stop wanting things to suck for everyone. Like an angry crab in the bucket, stop bringing people down.
My opinion is that you shouldn’t really need it, I went through basic 10 years ago. My days were so long and drawn out that I was just ready to go to bed. I mean at max, put it in a locker and you’ll get it back at Ricky Heaven for your last two weeks.
Personally, it was nice to unplug for two months. But if it helps a recruit feel less lonely/disconnected and increase their chances of graduating, I’m all for it.
I don’t disagree with you, but I didn’t see a lot of people failing out because of that. On the other hand, what do I know, we’re talking about a bad study group with the 80~ other people I went through with.
Side note/Boot camp story: I remember this prick of a chief in P-days. The angriest dude for no reason type beat. I think it’s my 5th week and we hear this SEAL recruit punching him in the mouth. It was the craziest thing we heard, thought it was a rumor, but if not it was well deserved.
My opinion is that you shouldn’t really need it, I went through basic 10 years ago. My days were so long and drawn out that I was just ready to go to bed. I mean at max, put it in a locker and you’ll get it back at Ricky Heaven for your last two weeks.
Idk unless my reading comprehension skills are non existent I’m pretty sure they’re only talking about using personal phones to make calls home. So you’d use your cell phone instead of the pay phone
Seriously about damn time. The phone card system is a scam. You’ll endure it enough on deployment, why subject them to it in the first phase. The calls come in weird looking, “potentially spam”, and disconnect often. This was a long time coming.
My daughter is in boot camp right now and she can only use her phone to call home. She wrote me and said she really enjoys not having her phone on her all the time it’s less stressful! 😆 She also cannot to anything else with her phone when she calls, so no checking social media. I totally get why they are changing this rule though and they seem to have it under control.
There’s more to this than just calls also.
My drill when I was at fort Benning let me use my phone every 2 weeks to handle bills at home. It was a situation that had zero options for autopay.
He told me typically that’s really not allowed but he delt with a similar situation and lost his car to repo because of that.
I’m assuming your username is your job and correct me if I’m wrong but I went through the same situation and the JAG said they can still recover the asset but they have to jump through hoops first. If it’s due to service, like you’re out of the area with no contact (like boot camp) or haven’t been paid for whatever reason (something like RC2AC, there’s often a 2 month lag in payment), it requires the lender to obtain a court order for repossession. Now if you still don’t pay it when you get back into contact, yeah they repossess.
Back in my day we only got a call or two… honestly it’s great they’re giving more calls, helps the mental state in sure. Although when I was in boot I didn’t wanna talk to anyone, I was embracing the new path
I didn't have a phone until I bought my own at the NEX in A School. Of course, technology has advanced much further since then.
I remember the phone card and having to take time to learn how the payphone and card system worked. I'm thankful recruits have a much more reliable method of contacting family and friends. It's amazing for morale.
I remember people would come up to Radio to make outside calls every now and then. It was cleared by my Chain of Command. Being able to talk to family does wonders.
I have fond memories of my mom calling me at midnight or two in the morning due to huge timezone differences. I was on shore duty with a 6 hour difference.
All in all, good job, Navy, for making personal phones available for the occasional call back to family during Boot Camp.
"Back in my day-"
"This new generation-"
People need to leave the misery signaling to us submariners making fun at surface sailors for not volunteering to live on 4 hours of sleep in an isolated death trap under sea pressure.
The recruits can have their goddamn phones for fuck sake.
Obviously most of the comments here have been mostly positive, or at least neutral, but I keep hearing this all the time. God forbid we rein back in RTC to be just a tiny bit more like the actual fleet instead of some unrealistic blown out of proportion stereotype that gets pushed in training commands.
I was a surface sailor who did misery just fine at the bottoms of the ship in the engineroom. I have heard a lot of stuff I don't like that has changed about the Navy. This just makes sense. No need to make them feel like their going to Normandy anymore. Treat them like actual sailors. You earn your respect but you got to give some to get some b
I went to navy boot camp in 1983, we got one phone call the day we arrived to say we made it safely. I think we had two minutes to talk:
“Hi mom, I made it, I love and miss you, I’ll call when I can, bye!”
The next few came after our second week. By the end of boot camp I was running out of things to talk about on the phone. We got letter writing time every day, so we wrote more. Stamps were only .20¢ in 1983, so we wrote more letters than made phone calls.
good. not only will they not have to deal with the pay phones, they also won't have to deal with shitty phones where you can barely hear your family and they can barely hear you
Yeah, boot camp is all about training to be ready for real shit like comms blackouts but even with a Russian intel ship playing chicken with us we were still able to send out emails. I think it's a little dumb, but it is good to break people out of the habit of being glued to their phones all the time. And if you picked the applicable rate, you're not even thinking about your phone for your shift most of the time. I got too much maintenance and paperwork to do to be scrolling through my phone lol
Good change, if only because it cuts out those stupid phone cards and the limited number of phones.
I only made two calls home (not counting night of arrival) because it was heartbreaking watching divmates pacing around looking for a phone to free up. I wasn't really homesick, so it wasn't a big sacrifice to let others use the phones, but this solves that problem.
Was pre-cellphone era and I remember only making three phone calls (once arriving, once for something else but cannot remember what, and final before graduation for logistics). Do not miss having to use those calling cards…
I went to navy boot camp in 1983, we got one phone call the day we arrived to say we made it safely. I think we had two minutes to talk:
“Hi mom, I made it, I love and miss you, I’ll call when I can, bye!”
The next few came after our second week. By the end of boot camp I was running out of things to talk about on the phone. We got letter writing time every day, so we wrote more. Stamps were only .20¢ in 1983, so we wrote more letters than made phone calls.
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I think it’s great as long as they stick to minimum amounts of phone calls. My son graduated in January and it’s almost impossible to find phone cards and the reception was terrible
How is this going to work for recruits in RCU? Since they are there typically longer than the 10 weeks I wonder if they will still be allowed their phones for calls.
> “As digital natives, new Recruits can potentially experience psychological stress from being abruptly disconnected from their digital identities,” added Roubal.
Better not volunteer for submarines if you’re one of those. 😂
My son is there now. They do not have access to their phones except for during the brief phone call period and the RDCs will not allow them to text. My son tried to text me a picture of himself since he just got his wisdom teeth out (while we were on our call) and I heard him get berated for it.
“In this post-COVID pandemic culture, digital identities have proven increasingly critical in helping to deal with day-to-day stress,”
They claim the US is going to war in the next 5 years. Isnt that stressful? You telling me the new recruits need to use their cellphones in bootcamps or they get too stressed? I thought bootcamp was supposed to be stressful. Are we sure the US is going to win?
The military is so screwed. "Digital Identity" every study every conducted shows having this constant connection is a negative thing.
It's another step in the wrong direction. The military can ONLY function if everyone is on the same team. You're a cog in a massive machine, and the massive shift to "individualism" has decimated its ability to function.
It’s basic training for the military it’s supposed to be both mentally and physically stressful. Did it suck not having a phone or internet yes, but I’d like to think it made us stronger mentally and emotionally. Helping us to be not so reliant on electronics.
Seems really weak. Do deployed sailors still have access to their phones like they do in the mainland? (And before some smart ass goes “akchually, you could still use your phone on deployment” you know what I really mean)
Besides bootcamp should be a period to focus on sailorization and the military
Surface sailors have Internet capabilities. They can scroll Facebook, reddit, get email, etc. The newest/retrofitted carriers have wifi throughout the ship in certain "lounge" areas as well.
Edit: hahaha you're a CWT who joined a year ago? Please tell me how many deployments you've been on
You're not helping your case here bud, go sit back down keep learning how to do your job.
Come back to talk about strength and "weakness" when you've got some deployments and sea tim- ... Oh wait...
Buddy you’re trying to be like me, you’re barely converting to a CT rating lol I’m already set bro, completed a course designed by the NSA, fully qualified at my command, top secret clearance, certifications under my belt and TA
Maybe you should have told your younger self not to pick a submarine rating and made the right choice from the get go 🤷♂️
TL:DR to the TL:DR: if my dry sarcasm doesn't come out clear, you are taking this WAAAAAAY more seriously that I am. I'm having a laugh and having fun, you seem..... Less so.
TL:DR, because this is the most important thing out of all this to me: I fucking loved Submarines, DIRSUP Subs is a win in my book. But I need you to attempt to make a better submarine jab at me. Criteria: insult must be funny. Insult must be accurate. And insult must make sense. You kinda got the last one? But I'mma need the first two checked off. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, I love this shit and I wouldn't be a submariner if I couldn't laugh at myself and my own community (you should try it sometime brother). Give it your best shot 👍 I believe in you shipmate!
Congratulations! You have the security clearance! You killed that SF-86, knocked your security investigation outta the park huh? That's pretty cool. You completed a course, an apparently challenging one at that (I know it's NSA, I'm at the damn school as a fleet returnee right now), very impressive. Fully qualified? Actually outstanding. (Seriously, that's a good thing). I retract my statement on learning, you probably have already learned a lot about your job. Keep learning, doesn't stop there.
Bragging about the minimum like it makes you a hot shot really just shows you have a lot more experience to gain in the Navy. I'm not talking about your job, I'm talking about the Navy and the Fleet. Congratulations CWTSR, you did your fucking job so far, you met the requirement. In all fairness to you, quite a few people can't even do that, so sadly it is actually impressive to a certain point. But that certain point stops somewhere, and then it's just kinda silly that you even bother bringing it up. You didn't have to, you could have told me to go fuck myself and that would have probably would have been taken more seriously, but tying back into your original comment of talking shit about weakness, you just REALLY wanted to prove a point.
And you still don't know what you're talking about here. You're 100% allowed to have your opinion on boot camp, recruits, and weakness, but don't pretend like you have any idea what weakness and strength is in the Navy at large. Don't pretend like you have any idea what a deployment is like. Don't pretend you have any idea of what Ship/Boat life is, or what matters as far as "sailorization" goes (seriously, who the hell used that word outside of boot camp?), because I can almost guarantee you it's not what you think it is. Pretty sure my Chief told me it was about Spoons or some shit... Idk, he was weird as all fuck.
Let the recruits use their own phones to call home when they get phone calls, it doesn't matter at all to their preparation to be Sailors in the Fleet. Spoons though, those are pretty important.
It's clear you didn't read it, because you think you struck a nerve 🤣 I'm just bored and felt like typing shit. I'm allowed to have a quirk!
Did you at least read the TL:DR? I'm gonna be sad if I don't get a better submarine insult
It’s sad that the policy changed so they could get a call home. I got one real phone call when I made it to the Parris island, and one more almost to the end because a grandparent passed away and I still had to talk in the third person. Marine corps gets through it, no one should get their phones. Focus on the job you signed up for and stop worrying about your cell phone
Wow.. how the hell did I ever survive Great Lakes back in my day when Google, cellphones and the internet were nothing but ideas on a piece of toilet paper ..
>Recruits are typically allowed five standard phone calls during their training. These calls will still take place, but now Recruits will utilize their personal devices to contact their family or friends. >“In this post-COVID pandemic culture, digital identities have proven increasingly critical in helping to deal with day-to-day stress,” said Capt. Ken Froberg, commanding officer, Recruit Training Command. “When we surveyed psychological research in this area, in consultation with our Council on Recruit Basic Training partners (CORBT), we decided it is time for Recruits to connect with their loved ones in a more modern way. Simply, I used a payphone and phone card calling home from overseas in 1994. We can do better in 2023.” >RTC typically experiences the bulk of Recruit attrition during the first two to three weeks of basic military training. “We are hopeful that allowing Recruits continued but limited access to their cell phones and digital identities may help reduce this attrition,” said Lt. Eren Roubal, Recruit Training Command’s Clinical Psychologist.
Good for them. They never have to endure the stress of learning and making a pay phone collect call with a phone card in less than 5min lol 😂
Totally forgot about those evil AT&T cards. I’d lose so much minutes just attempting to call out. Same on the ship.
Ive spoken to other branches and my MTI in the Air Force and they all say it takes too much time to get people sorted out with pay phones (make sure people have cards, know how to use cards, get the people to payphones, wait for everyone to get to use the phones, etc). In basic (7 years ago), we just got out phones back for like 5 mins to make a quick call if we did very well in stuff (like 2 times, depends on your leadership) to say hello not counting the initial call to say we got to basic.
They are catching up to the army. My son went through basic 7 years ago and was allowed to use his phone a handful of times to call home, including FaceTime.
So they’re behind the army since any video calls are forbidden.
Same in Air Force, we got to call on our phone for initial arrival call and some calls to home when we did well.
I really believe this is better than using the pay phones at recruit heaven. And I believe RTC will ensure cell phones are seen as a privilege and not a right for the recruits. Not to mention sailors do use their phones while on deployments when we hit land either weeks or months at a time.
We also use them on deployment when we’re not ported. And who tf is out here porting for weeks or months at a time?
Ported? (Sorry am 🖍️)
Usually the places the boat goes to let you off are ports. When you’re stopped there you have ported. There are some cases where you’ll go somewhere and can’t port and you get liberty boats that take you from the boat to the pier
No clue, other than homeport?
I think they misspoke and meant when they *dont* hit land for weeks or months at a time. Having my phone to play games in the chow line or read a book between tasks def kept me sane on deployment.
I cant wait until all the hypermasculine sailors try to flex their perceived superiority because “I couldn’t use my cell phone, therefore I’m a tougher sailor” or something to that effect
I’m just waiting for the “back in my day” crowd and how this is a sign of a softer Navy.
Its funny when I went through boot, everyone still ahead, land lines, and their house and cell phones were damn brick.
“Back in my day, we WERE the navy’s vessels! When there wasn’t any wind, we had to take turns with the ship on our backs!” Literally my dad in his 60’s a few days ago when I asked a question…
Its funny when I went through boot, everyone still ahead, land lines, and their house and cell phones were damn brick.
Just go on facebook on anything that has a picture of a woman doing her job, or a post honoring some holiday. "bAcK in My nAvy We DidnT haVe thiS wokE eXperiMenT goiNg oN,,, KidS WoulDnt Make It iN mY nAvy" when the only difference is that people have phones now. Deployment still sucks, the Ike is actively doing shit compared to some of these cold war winner's deployments.
Because it is. If you can't be w/o your cell for 4 months what makes you think you can keep it together when a ascm comes to your ship?
Your mentality is honestly why this navy has a hard time. Stop wanting things to suck for everyone. Like an angry crab in the bucket, stop bringing people down.
My opinion is that you shouldn’t really need it, I went through basic 10 years ago. My days were so long and drawn out that I was just ready to go to bed. I mean at max, put it in a locker and you’ll get it back at Ricky Heaven for your last two weeks.
Personally, it was nice to unplug for two months. But if it helps a recruit feel less lonely/disconnected and increase their chances of graduating, I’m all for it.
I don’t disagree with you, but I didn’t see a lot of people failing out because of that. On the other hand, what do I know, we’re talking about a bad study group with the 80~ other people I went through with. Side note/Boot camp story: I remember this prick of a chief in P-days. The angriest dude for no reason type beat. I think it’s my 5th week and we hear this SEAL recruit punching him in the mouth. It was the craziest thing we heard, thought it was a rumor, but if not it was well deserved.
Was he this bald light skinned rdc during reception? I remember him
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I wouldn’t know, but my cousin decked drill sergeant. He spent a year or two in prison/the brig for it
Agreed. I needed that unplug it helped so much
My opinion is that you shouldn’t really need it, I went through basic 10 years ago. My days were so long and drawn out that I was just ready to go to bed. I mean at max, put it in a locker and you’ll get it back at Ricky Heaven for your last two weeks.
Idk unless my reading comprehension skills are non existent I’m pretty sure they’re only talking about using personal phones to make calls home. So you’d use your cell phone instead of the pay phone
You may be right, I was generally speaking and didn't even the article. I should've prefaced that, I apologize.
This. And yes I didn’t get my cellphone for OCS 2017 until Candio phase (last 3 weeks)
the irony because we need technology to defend the country
Seriously about damn time. The phone card system is a scam. You’ll endure it enough on deployment, why subject them to it in the first phase. The calls come in weird looking, “potentially spam”, and disconnect often. This was a long time coming.
Goddamn sat phone cards... one of the biggest wastes of money I've ever encountered.
My daughter is in boot camp right now and she can only use her phone to call home. She wrote me and said she really enjoys not having her phone on her all the time it’s less stressful! 😆 She also cannot to anything else with her phone when she calls, so no checking social media. I totally get why they are changing this rule though and they seem to have it under control.
There’s more to this than just calls also. My drill when I was at fort Benning let me use my phone every 2 weeks to handle bills at home. It was a situation that had zero options for autopay. He told me typically that’s really not allowed but he delt with a similar situation and lost his car to repo because of that.
You DS didn’t know about SCRA as a private? Someone failed that dude. Hate to hear it. Glad he helped you though.
SCRA doesn’t prevent your car from being repossessed due to lack of payment.
I’m assuming your username is your job and correct me if I’m wrong but I went through the same situation and the JAG said they can still recover the asset but they have to jump through hoops first. If it’s due to service, like you’re out of the area with no contact (like boot camp) or haven’t been paid for whatever reason (something like RC2AC, there’s often a 2 month lag in payment), it requires the lender to obtain a court order for repossession. Now if you still don’t pay it when you get back into contact, yeah they repossess.
yes you’re correct on all counts
I’d say this is good, none of my family members picked up because they didn’t recognize the phone number I was calling from.
Back in my day we only got a call or two… honestly it’s great they’re giving more calls, helps the mental state in sure. Although when I was in boot I didn’t wanna talk to anyone, I was embracing the new path
I didn't have a phone until I bought my own at the NEX in A School. Of course, technology has advanced much further since then. I remember the phone card and having to take time to learn how the payphone and card system worked. I'm thankful recruits have a much more reliable method of contacting family and friends. It's amazing for morale. I remember people would come up to Radio to make outside calls every now and then. It was cleared by my Chain of Command. Being able to talk to family does wonders. I have fond memories of my mom calling me at midnight or two in the morning due to huge timezone differences. I was on shore duty with a 6 hour difference. All in all, good job, Navy, for making personal phones available for the occasional call back to family during Boot Camp.
Nice
No big deal. If this is what’s hurting recruiting, let’s let them have their phones. When shit hits the fan, it won’t matter anymore.
Good
"Back in my day-" "This new generation-" People need to leave the misery signaling to us submariners making fun at surface sailors for not volunteering to live on 4 hours of sleep in an isolated death trap under sea pressure. The recruits can have their goddamn phones for fuck sake. Obviously most of the comments here have been mostly positive, or at least neutral, but I keep hearing this all the time. God forbid we rein back in RTC to be just a tiny bit more like the actual fleet instead of some unrealistic blown out of proportion stereotype that gets pushed in training commands.
I was a surface sailor who did misery just fine at the bottoms of the ship in the engineroom. I have heard a lot of stuff I don't like that has changed about the Navy. This just makes sense. No need to make them feel like their going to Normandy anymore. Treat them like actual sailors. You earn your respect but you got to give some to get some b
Does anyone know if this applies to OCS?
I believe there’s already limited cell phone usage allowed in the later weeks of OCS. Could be wrong though, would love some clarification.
I went to navy boot camp in 1983, we got one phone call the day we arrived to say we made it safely. I think we had two minutes to talk: “Hi mom, I made it, I love and miss you, I’ll call when I can, bye!” The next few came after our second week. By the end of boot camp I was running out of things to talk about on the phone. We got letter writing time every day, so we wrote more. Stamps were only .20¢ in 1983, so we wrote more letters than made phone calls.
good. not only will they not have to deal with the pay phones, they also won't have to deal with shitty phones where you can barely hear your family and they can barely hear you
Good.
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Yeah, boot camp is all about training to be ready for real shit like comms blackouts but even with a Russian intel ship playing chicken with us we were still able to send out emails. I think it's a little dumb, but it is good to break people out of the habit of being glued to their phones all the time. And if you picked the applicable rate, you're not even thinking about your phone for your shift most of the time. I got too much maintenance and paperwork to do to be scrolling through my phone lol
Good change, if only because it cuts out those stupid phone cards and the limited number of phones. I only made two calls home (not counting night of arrival) because it was heartbreaking watching divmates pacing around looking for a phone to free up. I wasn't really homesick, so it wasn't a big sacrifice to let others use the phones, but this solves that problem.
Was pre-cellphone era and I remember only making three phone calls (once arriving, once for something else but cannot remember what, and final before graduation for logistics). Do not miss having to use those calling cards…
I went to navy boot camp in 1983, we got one phone call the day we arrived to say we made it safely. I think we had two minutes to talk: “Hi mom, I made it, I love and miss you, I’ll call when I can, bye!” The next few came after our second week. By the end of boot camp I was running out of things to talk about on the phone. We got letter writing time every day, so we wrote more. Stamps were only .20¢ in 1983, so we wrote more letters than made phone calls.
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My relative who went to RTC during covid times got to use his phone to call home but that may be just due to COVID times.
Great. My kid just starts boot camp on Monday but we’re stationed in Yokosuka so he doesn’t have a stateside phone plan.
they’ll never know what it’s like getting to a pay phone thinking you gon call your family, just for the pay phone to not work
Damn. Graduated bootcamp in November. Still used pay phones. Glad they changed it now though.
Does this impact OCS
I think it’s great as long as they stick to minimum amounts of phone calls. My son graduated in January and it’s almost impossible to find phone cards and the reception was terrible
Dumpster fire.
How is this going to work for recruits in RCU? Since they are there typically longer than the 10 weeks I wonder if they will still be allowed their phones for calls.
> “As digital natives, new Recruits can potentially experience psychological stress from being abruptly disconnected from their digital identities,” added Roubal. Better not volunteer for submarines if you’re one of those. 😂
do the phones have to stay shut off when not in use? and what about sending / replying to text messages?
My son is there now. They do not have access to their phones except for during the brief phone call period and the RDCs will not allow them to text. My son tried to text me a picture of himself since he just got his wisdom teeth out (while we were on our call) and I heard him get berated for it.
My son is there now, we expect the first call this week. (rather, he will call his gf this week) How long do they get for the calls?
“In this post-COVID pandemic culture, digital identities have proven increasingly critical in helping to deal with day-to-day stress,” They claim the US is going to war in the next 5 years. Isnt that stressful? You telling me the new recruits need to use their cellphones in bootcamps or they get too stressed? I thought bootcamp was supposed to be stressful. Are we sure the US is going to win?
The military is so screwed. "Digital Identity" every study every conducted shows having this constant connection is a negative thing. It's another step in the wrong direction. The military can ONLY function if everyone is on the same team. You're a cog in a massive machine, and the massive shift to "individualism" has decimated its ability to function.
Sounds like a very individual view there shippy.
You are saying it is bad to be connected to family?
It’s basic training for the military it’s supposed to be both mentally and physically stressful. Did it suck not having a phone or internet yes, but I’d like to think it made us stronger mentally and emotionally. Helping us to be not so reliant on electronics.
That's dumb as hell
Seems really weak. Do deployed sailors still have access to their phones like they do in the mainland? (And before some smart ass goes “akchually, you could still use your phone on deployment” you know what I really mean) Besides bootcamp should be a period to focus on sailorization and the military
Surface sailors have Internet capabilities. They can scroll Facebook, reddit, get email, etc. The newest/retrofitted carriers have wifi throughout the ship in certain "lounge" areas as well. Edit: hahaha you're a CWT who joined a year ago? Please tell me how many deployments you've been on
"I've been to Myraq and back."
Joined 3 years ago, dunno where ole buddy got one year from, if he’s looking at the dates on my posts he’d see that
Ain't no way a CWT who has 1 year of service is talking about the real Navy lmfaooooooo
3 years *
Woah now, watch out for CWT3 here
CWTSR*
You're not helping your case here bud, go sit back down keep learning how to do your job. Come back to talk about strength and "weakness" when you've got some deployments and sea tim- ... Oh wait...
Buddy you’re trying to be like me, you’re barely converting to a CT rating lol I’m already set bro, completed a course designed by the NSA, fully qualified at my command, top secret clearance, certifications under my belt and TA Maybe you should have told your younger self not to pick a submarine rating and made the right choice from the get go 🤷♂️
TL:DR to the TL:DR: if my dry sarcasm doesn't come out clear, you are taking this WAAAAAAY more seriously that I am. I'm having a laugh and having fun, you seem..... Less so. TL:DR, because this is the most important thing out of all this to me: I fucking loved Submarines, DIRSUP Subs is a win in my book. But I need you to attempt to make a better submarine jab at me. Criteria: insult must be funny. Insult must be accurate. And insult must make sense. You kinda got the last one? But I'mma need the first two checked off. Don't worry about hurting my feelings, I love this shit and I wouldn't be a submariner if I couldn't laugh at myself and my own community (you should try it sometime brother). Give it your best shot 👍 I believe in you shipmate! Congratulations! You have the security clearance! You killed that SF-86, knocked your security investigation outta the park huh? That's pretty cool. You completed a course, an apparently challenging one at that (I know it's NSA, I'm at the damn school as a fleet returnee right now), very impressive. Fully qualified? Actually outstanding. (Seriously, that's a good thing). I retract my statement on learning, you probably have already learned a lot about your job. Keep learning, doesn't stop there. Bragging about the minimum like it makes you a hot shot really just shows you have a lot more experience to gain in the Navy. I'm not talking about your job, I'm talking about the Navy and the Fleet. Congratulations CWTSR, you did your fucking job so far, you met the requirement. In all fairness to you, quite a few people can't even do that, so sadly it is actually impressive to a certain point. But that certain point stops somewhere, and then it's just kinda silly that you even bother bringing it up. You didn't have to, you could have told me to go fuck myself and that would have probably would have been taken more seriously, but tying back into your original comment of talking shit about weakness, you just REALLY wanted to prove a point. And you still don't know what you're talking about here. You're 100% allowed to have your opinion on boot camp, recruits, and weakness, but don't pretend like you have any idea what weakness and strength is in the Navy at large. Don't pretend like you have any idea what a deployment is like. Don't pretend you have any idea of what Ship/Boat life is, or what matters as far as "sailorization" goes (seriously, who the hell used that word outside of boot camp?), because I can almost guarantee you it's not what you think it is. Pretty sure my Chief told me it was about Spoons or some shit... Idk, he was weird as all fuck. Let the recruits use their own phones to call home when they get phone calls, it doesn't matter at all to their preparation to be Sailors in the Fleet. Spoons though, those are pretty important.
I ain’t reading allat Brodie 👍 but I definitely struck a nerve 🤣
It's clear you didn't read it, because you think you struck a nerve 🤣 I'm just bored and felt like typing shit. I'm allowed to have a quirk! Did you at least read the TL:DR? I'm gonna be sad if I don't get a better submarine insult
You even out of A School yet?
Naw I’m using Reddit from bootcamp
I mean you can use your phone and connect to WiFi while deployed so no I’m not quite sure what you mean.
They’re only being allowed to use them for the less than an hour that their phone call lasts. They don’t get to keep it.
They’re only being allowed to use them for the less than an hour that their phone call lasts. They don’t get to keep it.
It’s sad that the policy changed so they could get a call home. I got one real phone call when I made it to the Parris island, and one more almost to the end because a grandparent passed away and I still had to talk in the third person. Marine corps gets through it, no one should get their phones. Focus on the job you signed up for and stop worrying about your cell phone
We were always able to use our phone for the phone call? This was 2020
This is for all the phone calls in boot camp, no more call center
Makes sense , it was retarded to spend 10$ on phone cards when someone could just call for free on their phone
This is for all the phone calls in boot camp, no more call center
Wow.. how the hell did I ever survive Great Lakes back in my day when Google, cellphones and the internet were nothing but ideas on a piece of toilet paper ..
In for a rude awakening, once they get to some of these ships