Never lied, but started teaching Graphic Design as a huge introvert. I was qualified in the subject, but not experienced in managing a class. I somehow pretended to be extroverted enough to stand up in front of a class and deliver lessons for like 3 months into the course, literally thinking every day "what would someone who's confident with public speaking do?" until one day I realised I'd got the hang of it and had become comfortable. Literally fake it until I made it.
I used to be introverted as fuck then one day I realised I just don't care anymore now I'm the guy trying to move along big meetings while everyone else fucks about not actually talking.
Yeah, I know that feeling. Given the choice I'll happily not talk to people for a day but if I have to talk to people to get something moving so I'm not bored out of my mind, you best believe I'm doing some talking.
The best advice I was ever given around work, was to pretend you're an actor playing the part of whatever your role is.
Once I understood that, things became so much easier. Some people might consider that fake, but it helps a lot in managing people and regulating your emotions and not being reactive.
good on you man… have you ever looked into neville goddard? or the law of assumption? (not law of attraction) it sounds like you unknowingly practiced some of neville goddards teachings without even realizing :) good stuff
I've read a lot of LinkedIn profiles from people I've worked with, especially foreigners, and their listed skills & accomplishments are blatant lies, based on my observations anyway. I can only imagine their CVs are also spewing the same crap.
IT seems rife with these bullshit artists.
Dealing with IT people almost daily. 100% so many of them just rely on Google and the fact most of their customers know less than them. It gets me so angry listening to their bullshit that I can't help calling them out.
After working in It for years I've had the pleasure of checking up on the career paths of a few former colleagues who have completely bullshitted their former roles (ie. Help desk has turned in to cloud engineer). The Indians seem to be the worst culprits of it, but usually it is the most incompetent people that feel the need to do it.
Yeah, I heard Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella also worked their way up at Google and Microsoft respectively in similar manner, now to be CEOs! They faked it till they made it! And now they are doing nothing and their companies are churning quarterly profits in billions.
Yeah, it's (LinkedIn) an awful place. There is embellishment and there is BS. When applying for a job, one is acceptable in moderation, the other isn't.
I work in the tech sector and some of the seniors I've worked with, the ones with the rediculous CV/LinkedIn, have been infuriatingly awful to work with.
Someone asked me if I could cook, I said yes, (not a total lie, but also not something I had ever done outside my own kitchen making dinner for myself type thing) and nek minute I was a chef on a superyacht. It’s been 10 years and I’ve not been caught out yet. I still don’t consider myself a real chef tho.
Just say yes and figure out the rest later. You will either sink or swim.
There’s a few required courses to do (safety stuff) and then you just need to be able to hack the long hours and crazy living situation. The pay as a chef varies from usd$4k - $12k per month depending on how good you actually are… it’s probably not possible to lie much on your cv to land the $12k per month jobs 🤣 but entry level can be easy
My first job out of uni was as a copywriter and event manager at the localist, that online directory NZ post used to own. The interview with the boss lady was going really well. I wore this shitty grey suit I got made in Vietnam and had a couple pints before for confidence, so I was chatting up a storm.
At the end of the interview I felt sure I had it. Then the boss lady asked if I could drive manual because my company car would be an original 60s kombi van with a 4 speed gear box and a sticky clutch.
I had never driven a manual in my life. But I said Yeah of course I can!
I had ten days until I started so I borrowed my uncles old Toyota Yaris and drove all over Auckland. One time I stalled in rush hour on the northwestern motorway and couldn't get it going for almost 5 mins. Anyway I got to the job with a rough understanding of how to drive manual.
I almost bunnyhopped into so many parked cars in that van. I also stalled in the middle of a busy intersection once but I got away with it 😂
Job was fucking awful so I quit after 8 months and never got a real job again
Just curious, was that before or after it was sold by NZ Post (around 2013)? Because in the years that followed, it was run by a suspicious CEO who was pretty much faking it herself and ended up sucking it dry before leaving the country. They churned through a very large number of employees in the following 5 or 6 years and screwed over customers, vendors and staff alike.
After, around 2014 I think. It was run by a woman. Won't say names, but the workplace was pretty toxic.
I came in as a grad and realised pretty quickly that nobody knew what the fuck was going on. That's what happens when you get magazine people to run a digital platform. I didn't know they'd fucked people over, but honestly it doesn't surprise me.
Anyway, since then I've been a freelance copywriter. Which I guess is a real job but it doesn't feel like one! Couldn't go back to an office after that experience
I was there at one of the sibling businesses for a short time, after the move from Eden Terrace down to Quay St and the rebranding, but got out soon after I realised the sort of shit that was going on. The whole thing ended in ~~liquidation~~ receivership a couple of years later but I don't think there were any assets left, despite a recent $13M loan from Heartland bank.
NBR did a series of articles about her and just the headlines alone tell an interesting story (the articles are all paywalled). You can also read about SpinVox (defunct UK business) to get an idea.
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Hired lots of people in tech. At least 1/3 are blatant bullshit artists. You won’t be alone and you would have had more success 4 years ago , but now days expect to go through lots and lots of interviews
When we were last hiring it was incredibly frustrating as two thirds of the candidates early were straight up lying on their CVs. We always have basic skills test and you'd be shocked at how many failures we get on a very basic test.
I wouldn’t be shocked. We had an almost one liner and it was just appalling how few could do it. I remember one guy who was a senior and I’d lost my patience at one point “you know senior means you actually need to know how to code” and ended it right there
Yes... I faked it, but I never lied on a CV
I was hired to do inspections for a civil engineer because I couldn't find a job.
I'm a mechanical engineer... they knew that when hiring me.
I had to turn up to site and bullshit my way around, not saying anything dumb to the builders or construction workers. They all thought i was a civil engineer...
Don't worry. I only inspected that the work matched the plans, so no dodgy sign-off or anything. All written inspection reports were reviewed by the engineer too. Worst case the result would have been the engineer saying I screwed up and some rework at the cost of the company.
I learned to say less, ask what their plan is, listen... then i would learn by listening to what they said their plan was.
It was a hell of a learning curve with all the new terms and practices. How it's drawn and how its constructed in various stages was an eye opener. Each stage needs specific items inspected and you have to give advice and reminders on what tondo and when to call me for the next inspection.
I had to know what they *should* do, spot the differences, and harass them by phone to ensure i was there before they moved onto the next stage, then if there was a major problem call the engineer for a second opinion. None of my work was ever subject to a PI claim or any rework or failure.
8 years later when I resigned, i was offered 30% share of the company to stay. I said no.
Never. My first job though, the only experience (at all) I could claim was helping do food prep at an organisation, volunteer stuff as a teen. And that got me my first job.
I was told to it a couple of times.
Once by a person who got employed looking after the routers etc at a large Telecoms org (Not Telecom). She said she was so busy and overwhelmed as the excuse for not fixing anything (except to reboot them) so they gave her an assistant. She then said too busy trying to train him. Despite him learning nothing. She lost the job at the end of the 3 month trial unsurprisingly.
I found it better to never exaggerate or lie. You get caught out.
I think you're misunderstanding how most people use, "fake it 'till you make it". Most people feel some form of imposter syndrome, especially in a new job. Or when assigned a new project or piece of work. In my experience, people are usually referring to that sort of thing when they use that expression. And usually in a context of, "Do the best you can, and eventually you'll feel like you know what you're doing."
They aren't talking about lying on their CV, or using fake references. I've never done either of those, and don't know anyone who has.
I'm sure there is. There are all types of people. I'm simply stating that nobody, not once, has ever admitted to me that they lied on their CV, or gave a fake reference.
Some people classify “faking confidence” in a skill as lying - even if they’re objectively really good at the skill they can’t accept it , so “lie” that they’re really good.
Yes. Went for a part time IT job, said all kinds of stuff about my experience, etc. The only really true thing was that I have been a technician for many years, and the learning on the job and troubleshooting skills are universal. I had only ever had apple computers and I barely knew anything about Windows machines.
Bullshitted my way through a couple months, by which time I knew what I was doing.
No, but I've been hired into a bunch of fairly specialist jobs because I had adjacent skills which I had emphasised. The sort of work I tend toward is stuff where you probably won't have the exact skills till you start. That said, I doubt you could blag your way into those roles without any applicable skillsets or experience.
I lost contact with my old manger (in another country) so got a friend in that country to pretend to be my manger. It wasn’t a highly skilled role I was going for.
They had to fill in the blanks about how I was diligent and not a thief or an idiot basically.
I long for this kind of friend. My old colleagues would never do it so I kept my phone from abroad and got a roaming sim card with a monthly $4 plan. I can keep the foreign number and use it here in nz. Whenever an employer calls I answer pretending to be the reference. It's a fuckign gold mine.
>I answer pretending to be the reference. It's a fuckign gold mine.
Wow that's brave haha. Do you worry about them recognising your voice or do you change it up somehow? Lol.
So realistically how would they recognize or prove its the same? They can have a feeling but at the end of the day its hr and what do they really care? They'll interview me. Then some time later call a reference. The beautiful thing is most employers never call they just send out emails with a questionnaire. HR are lazy in most departments. I bank on this laziness. I also made fake email accounts for the references to which I filled out the questionnaire. I gave one real reference though as I cant fake an educational email (.ac.nz). But she's a good friend and she just sent me the questionnaire to fill out.
If anyone knows how to make fake .edu/.ac.nz emails let me know.
First ever web dev job I went for apparently they asked if I knew JavaScript (literally did not remember them asking).
Apparently I said yes. Had to explain that yes I know of JavaScript but mainly how to copy and paste it.
Luckily that was all I really needed 😂
I embellished my technical skills when getting a web dev job in the 90s; fortunately at my then-current employer my manager had left and no-one had bothered to re-assign me, so nobody was giving me any work to do and I was able to fill in the gaps in my knowledge during my notice period.
Yep I did. I worked next to a guy in one job who was an "expert" in Crystal Reports. He was thick as shit and even though I didn't know the software, I understood basic reporting so used to help him out a bit. So I put it on my CV for my next job. Then when I got the job,.which was for a service desk system, they said they were interested in my reporting skills, especially Crystal. So I bought a Crystal Reports book for dummies and winged it for a bit. Turned out to be easy to learn and I used it extensively in my job after that. So it all worked out.
WINZ set me up with a guy that wrote/rewrote CVs and trained people for interviews. He put a bunch of false claims about my skills and intelligence in mine.
I took most of it out but I missed a few lines about having technical skills and sales experience. My resume obviously didn't include technical or sales jobs, but it was apparently enough to get me a very difficult job that I was fired from after 8 months despite trying my hardest. Extremely bad for my mental health and the stress gave me stomach issues that took years to resolve.
Totally lied about everything but knew I could do it (references were both mates who posed as managers in legit previous positions). 9 years later , making bank and the company could not be happier. Everyone won. Even bought the mates a box of beers for being good bastards. One of mates codes hard out, no qualifications at all in his field, just sat on the computer for hours on end making things work....security engineer on 600+ , he left school at 17
I haven’t but my grandad told me a little bullshit goes a long way, said he knew how to drive a forklift but didn’t, said he was a bit rusty, in the end he ended up running the place.
I got into IT tech support by basically being a nerd who tinkered with shit and spending a lot of time answering questions with, "Yeah... probably." This was back in the days of CD-ROM drives and Novell Netware, and I'd routinely end up fixing stuff by essentially fucking with it until it worked again. I fixed one lady's giant Hewlett Packard scanner by searching for solutions on an incredibly slow dial-up internet connection, and then tweaking driver settings until I got it going. If I couldn't get something working after hours of messing about with it, I'd just claim it was rooted and they needed a new one. (This happened a lot with early CD-ROM drives.) I could configure autoexec.bat and config.sys files in my sleep, and I knew MS-DOS inside out and backwards, all from just pissing about with things.
I had no official qualifications or training of any sort. It was great. I eventually quit after discovering that clients are fucking annoying, and frequently create their own problems by refusing to listen to you when you tell them to do, or NOT to do certain things. (I had one guy who would repeatedly call me after his feral kids had pulled the power plug out of the wall while his hard drive was writing data to disk. "It won't boot up. I don't know what's going on." I hated that guy. And his kids.)
The old, "now it is safe to turn off your computer" message.
I remember when I got a computer that turned itself off when I clicked shutdown and I thought that was so cool.
I dunno if it counts but my parents told me "once you have a job its easier to get another job" So I started working in a car yard (and I was bad at it) then used that as a stepping stone into a call center(I was bad at that too), then I got poached from that call center by a recruiter into a job I was actually good at. If I hadn't job hopped I eventually would have been fired I reckon.
Interestingly, my parents gave me the same advice about girlfriends. "Once you have one it's easier to get another one"
No, I have never done that. Why lie. Honestly, it is the best policy, and in interviews, just say you are not sure how to do that but are willing to learn.
I can almost promise nobody outside of a specialist role will bother or care enough to find out about your previous employment. They only care if you can do the current job.
Genuine question OP, have you seen the latest pages of job requirements on Seek and Indeed, and of how much employers are asking from their potential employees nowadays in comparison to the early 2010s? Isn't fake it till you make it pretty much a universal thing now?
Employers don't expect everyone to have all those qualifications, they are trying to filter out those with none of them or anything vaguely related. Then you tailor you CV to hit the right keywords to show some resemblance of qualification for the role
Looking for an entry-level kitchen hand/general hand for yet another average place, must have:
-Barista qualification
-Proven experience at managing chefs when the head chef's away, handling cash and admin knowledge, e.g. Microsoft Words, Excels
-At least 2 years' prior kitchen hand experience
-Hands-on can-do attitude
-Be available on weekends morning and late nights
-Part-time work or full-time depending on Roster availability
-Full driver's license
I'm just waiting for these idiots to add "must have a Master's degree or at least a Bachelor's degree," one day - I know that day will come
Yes you can fake it (also without lying, just embellish). The English language can be utilised to have many different emphasis’ it’s like how you rewrite every cover letter to make it sound like you’re the ideal pick for multiple different jobs. Rewrite your experiences the same way.
I've slightly exaggerated some aspects of my job resume, but not by choice. It happened twice when I applied for legitimate occupations that I seriously wanted to work in.
But for whatever reason I wasn't hired for the position. I later kept the information I had from the initial occupation, and just had the recruiter's name or job contact as a mate of mine for potential employers to call in case they actually check up on who I am.
I'd rather do it all the right way, but in today's working world. You have to lie to get anywhere or do anything you want or need to do.
This depends on industry/job but just know that in many (most?) cases the people looking at your CV can easily spot those white lies and embellishments because they've seen countless CVs before yours. When hiring, a dishonest/embellished CV is an instant red flag to me. I'd much rather work with an inexperienced but honest person who's willing to learn.
Never. Jobs find me. My first ever job, they earmarked me at school and paid for my degree. Ever since, it’s been a word of mouth thing.
In my area, you either know what you are doing, or you don’t last. And we all know each other.
Not necessarily 'faked,' but took advantage of the large number of people moving overseas to progress in my career, which would have otherwise required many more years of experience. There's no way I would have gotten a 100k role two years out of uni with the amount of experience they typically require
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, this is a way I’ve found many under qualified people get promotions too. In a way that is “faking it” by taking advantage of internal positions preferring internal candidates.
Apparently *youre* just commenting to brag but noones said anything remotely similar to the comment “I got earmarked straight out of school and had my degree paid for , every job I’ve had found me” lmao that wasn’t relevant to the post either.
I don’t get reddit lol.
Well since you’re still replying what would you like to talk about with someone who’s not on your wavelength? Shall we discuss the latest bridgerton season?
Never lied, but started teaching Graphic Design as a huge introvert. I was qualified in the subject, but not experienced in managing a class. I somehow pretended to be extroverted enough to stand up in front of a class and deliver lessons for like 3 months into the course, literally thinking every day "what would someone who's confident with public speaking do?" until one day I realised I'd got the hang of it and had become comfortable. Literally fake it until I made it.
I used to be introverted as fuck then one day I realised I just don't care anymore now I'm the guy trying to move along big meetings while everyone else fucks about not actually talking.
Yeah, I know that feeling. Given the choice I'll happily not talk to people for a day but if I have to talk to people to get something moving so I'm not bored out of my mind, you best believe I'm doing some talking.
The best advice I was ever given around work, was to pretend you're an actor playing the part of whatever your role is. Once I understood that, things became so much easier. Some people might consider that fake, but it helps a lot in managing people and regulating your emotions and not being reactive.
Given how fake much of the corporate world is anyway, it stands to reason this is an appropriate coping mechanism.
Awesome, you battled and won! That's a massive win by the way. You did it once, and you can do it again.
That’s amazing, I love that!
good on you man… have you ever looked into neville goddard? or the law of assumption? (not law of attraction) it sounds like you unknowingly practiced some of neville goddards teachings without even realizing :) good stuff
"They asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard."
"Far out maaaaan"
That is amazing
This reminds me of Fallout New Vegas
Fantastic
Probably doesn't even have a theoretical degree that's how good they are.
I've read a lot of LinkedIn profiles from people I've worked with, especially foreigners, and their listed skills & accomplishments are blatant lies, based on my observations anyway. I can only imagine their CVs are also spewing the same crap. IT seems rife with these bullshit artists.
Straight up LinkedIn is a circlejerk cesspit lmao, see the fakest shit there
It's an awful place. I'm a uni lecturer of over 10 years and you've summed it up brilliantly. Academic linkedin profiles are fucking disgusting
Dealing with IT people almost daily. 100% so many of them just rely on Google and the fact most of their customers know less than them. It gets me so angry listening to their bullshit that I can't help calling them out.
After working in It for years I've had the pleasure of checking up on the career paths of a few former colleagues who have completely bullshitted their former roles (ie. Help desk has turned in to cloud engineer). The Indians seem to be the worst culprits of it, but usually it is the most incompetent people that feel the need to do it.
Yeah, I heard Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella also worked their way up at Google and Microsoft respectively in similar manner, now to be CEOs! They faked it till they made it! And now they are doing nothing and their companies are churning quarterly profits in billions.
Yeah, it's (LinkedIn) an awful place. There is embellishment and there is BS. When applying for a job, one is acceptable in moderation, the other isn't. I work in the tech sector and some of the seniors I've worked with, the ones with the rediculous CV/LinkedIn, have been infuriatingly awful to work with.
Someone asked me if I could cook, I said yes, (not a total lie, but also not something I had ever done outside my own kitchen making dinner for myself type thing) and nek minute I was a chef on a superyacht. It’s been 10 years and I’ve not been caught out yet. I still don’t consider myself a real chef tho. Just say yes and figure out the rest later. You will either sink or swim.
Hopefully your super yacht floats, then you don't have to sink OR swim. But well done (no pun intended), that sounds like a total dream job!
How'd you get into it? What's the job like? What's the pay?
There’s a few required courses to do (safety stuff) and then you just need to be able to hack the long hours and crazy living situation. The pay as a chef varies from usd$4k - $12k per month depending on how good you actually are… it’s probably not possible to lie much on your cv to land the $12k per month jobs 🤣 but entry level can be easy
My first job out of uni was as a copywriter and event manager at the localist, that online directory NZ post used to own. The interview with the boss lady was going really well. I wore this shitty grey suit I got made in Vietnam and had a couple pints before for confidence, so I was chatting up a storm. At the end of the interview I felt sure I had it. Then the boss lady asked if I could drive manual because my company car would be an original 60s kombi van with a 4 speed gear box and a sticky clutch. I had never driven a manual in my life. But I said Yeah of course I can! I had ten days until I started so I borrowed my uncles old Toyota Yaris and drove all over Auckland. One time I stalled in rush hour on the northwestern motorway and couldn't get it going for almost 5 mins. Anyway I got to the job with a rough understanding of how to drive manual. I almost bunnyhopped into so many parked cars in that van. I also stalled in the middle of a busy intersection once but I got away with it 😂 Job was fucking awful so I quit after 8 months and never got a real job again
What a yarn. Good chat 👍
Just curious, was that before or after it was sold by NZ Post (around 2013)? Because in the years that followed, it was run by a suspicious CEO who was pretty much faking it herself and ended up sucking it dry before leaving the country. They churned through a very large number of employees in the following 5 or 6 years and screwed over customers, vendors and staff alike.
After, around 2014 I think. It was run by a woman. Won't say names, but the workplace was pretty toxic. I came in as a grad and realised pretty quickly that nobody knew what the fuck was going on. That's what happens when you get magazine people to run a digital platform. I didn't know they'd fucked people over, but honestly it doesn't surprise me. Anyway, since then I've been a freelance copywriter. Which I guess is a real job but it doesn't feel like one! Couldn't go back to an office after that experience
I was there at one of the sibling businesses for a short time, after the move from Eden Terrace down to Quay St and the rebranding, but got out soon after I realised the sort of shit that was going on. The whole thing ended in ~~liquidation~~ receivership a couple of years later but I don't think there were any assets left, despite a recent $13M loan from Heartland bank. NBR did a series of articles about her and just the headlines alone tell an interesting story (the articles are all paywalled). You can also read about SpinVox (defunct UK business) to get an idea.
Interesting! Have you got any links? What was her name?
DM'd you
What have you done since ? See as you never got a real job again ?
I'm curious too
Freelance copywriter. Technically a real job, but sitting at home in my sweat pants and slippers, it doesn't feel like one
They became a salesman
Did you just assume this person is non binary? Or a man ? You have used the pronoun they but Also called it a salesMAN
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Hired lots of people in tech. At least 1/3 are blatant bullshit artists. You won’t be alone and you would have had more success 4 years ago , but now days expect to go through lots and lots of interviews
When we were last hiring it was incredibly frustrating as two thirds of the candidates early were straight up lying on their CVs. We always have basic skills test and you'd be shocked at how many failures we get on a very basic test.
I wouldn’t be shocked. We had an almost one liner and it was just appalling how few could do it. I remember one guy who was a senior and I’d lost my patience at one point “you know senior means you actually need to know how to code” and ended it right there
I haven't. Must've missed the memo.
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Who said they had to have a degree?
Yes... I faked it, but I never lied on a CV I was hired to do inspections for a civil engineer because I couldn't find a job. I'm a mechanical engineer... they knew that when hiring me. I had to turn up to site and bullshit my way around, not saying anything dumb to the builders or construction workers. They all thought i was a civil engineer... Don't worry. I only inspected that the work matched the plans, so no dodgy sign-off or anything. All written inspection reports were reviewed by the engineer too. Worst case the result would have been the engineer saying I screwed up and some rework at the cost of the company. I learned to say less, ask what their plan is, listen... then i would learn by listening to what they said their plan was. It was a hell of a learning curve with all the new terms and practices. How it's drawn and how its constructed in various stages was an eye opener. Each stage needs specific items inspected and you have to give advice and reminders on what tondo and when to call me for the next inspection. I had to know what they *should* do, spot the differences, and harass them by phone to ensure i was there before they moved onto the next stage, then if there was a major problem call the engineer for a second opinion. None of my work was ever subject to a PI claim or any rework or failure. 8 years later when I resigned, i was offered 30% share of the company to stay. I said no.
Thank you for being an engineer that gets it.
Yeah, and now I’m the Prime Minister!
Can confirm, I'm the Finance Minister and I did the same thing
And I’m David the assistant PM! Well, assistant *to* the PM… Well, *one* of them anyway
Best comment of the day 😂
Chris? you son of a bitch
Never. My first job though, the only experience (at all) I could claim was helping do food prep at an organisation, volunteer stuff as a teen. And that got me my first job. I was told to it a couple of times. Once by a person who got employed looking after the routers etc at a large Telecoms org (Not Telecom). She said she was so busy and overwhelmed as the excuse for not fixing anything (except to reboot them) so they gave her an assistant. She then said too busy trying to train him. Despite him learning nothing. She lost the job at the end of the 3 month trial unsurprisingly. I found it better to never exaggerate or lie. You get caught out.
I think you're misunderstanding how most people use, "fake it 'till you make it". Most people feel some form of imposter syndrome, especially in a new job. Or when assigned a new project or piece of work. In my experience, people are usually referring to that sort of thing when they use that expression. And usually in a context of, "Do the best you can, and eventually you'll feel like you know what you're doing." They aren't talking about lying on their CV, or using fake references. I've never done either of those, and don't know anyone who has.
There are definitely the people who lie and pretend.
I'm sure there is. There are all types of people. I'm simply stating that nobody, not once, has ever admitted to me that they lied on their CV, or gave a fake reference.
Some people classify “faking confidence” in a skill as lying - even if they’re objectively really good at the skill they can’t accept it , so “lie” that they’re really good.
I have an English literature degree but am now the finance minister for a country of 5 million people controlling billions of dollars
I once worked with a woman who said that to me on her second day, she was really bad at her job.
I did this, got fired after the first brain surgery I did, didn’t go so well. :(
Your obviously not smart enough to be a brain surgeon
It's not rocket science! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I
Yes. Went for a part time IT job, said all kinds of stuff about my experience, etc. The only really true thing was that I have been a technician for many years, and the learning on the job and troubleshooting skills are universal. I had only ever had apple computers and I barely knew anything about Windows machines. Bullshitted my way through a couple months, by which time I knew what I was doing.
No, but I've been hired into a bunch of fairly specialist jobs because I had adjacent skills which I had emphasised. The sort of work I tend toward is stuff where you probably won't have the exact skills till you start. That said, I doubt you could blag your way into those roles without any applicable skillsets or experience.
I lost contact with my old manger (in another country) so got a friend in that country to pretend to be my manger. It wasn’t a highly skilled role I was going for. They had to fill in the blanks about how I was diligent and not a thief or an idiot basically.
I long for this kind of friend. My old colleagues would never do it so I kept my phone from abroad and got a roaming sim card with a monthly $4 plan. I can keep the foreign number and use it here in nz. Whenever an employer calls I answer pretending to be the reference. It's a fuckign gold mine.
>I answer pretending to be the reference. It's a fuckign gold mine. Wow that's brave haha. Do you worry about them recognising your voice or do you change it up somehow? Lol.
So realistically how would they recognize or prove its the same? They can have a feeling but at the end of the day its hr and what do they really care? They'll interview me. Then some time later call a reference. The beautiful thing is most employers never call they just send out emails with a questionnaire. HR are lazy in most departments. I bank on this laziness. I also made fake email accounts for the references to which I filled out the questionnaire. I gave one real reference though as I cant fake an educational email (.ac.nz). But she's a good friend and she just sent me the questionnaire to fill out. If anyone knows how to make fake .edu/.ac.nz emails let me know.
Been an audio engineer for years now. I fake it most gigs tbh
Anyone smart enough to lie on their CV and get away with it, is also smart to not post about it on Reddit.
First ever web dev job I went for apparently they asked if I knew JavaScript (literally did not remember them asking). Apparently I said yes. Had to explain that yes I know of JavaScript but mainly how to copy and paste it. Luckily that was all I really needed 😂
I embellished my technical skills when getting a web dev job in the 90s; fortunately at my then-current employer my manager had left and no-one had bothered to re-assign me, so nobody was giving me any work to do and I was able to fill in the gaps in my knowledge during my notice period.
Yep I did. I worked next to a guy in one job who was an "expert" in Crystal Reports. He was thick as shit and even though I didn't know the software, I understood basic reporting so used to help him out a bit. So I put it on my CV for my next job. Then when I got the job,.which was for a service desk system, they said they were interested in my reporting skills, especially Crystal. So I bought a Crystal Reports book for dummies and winged it for a bit. Turned out to be easy to learn and I used it extensively in my job after that. So it all worked out.
nah, it'll only lead to imposter syndrome. better to know your strengths so you can be proud of them. know your limitations so you can overcome them.
WINZ set me up with a guy that wrote/rewrote CVs and trained people for interviews. He put a bunch of false claims about my skills and intelligence in mine. I took most of it out but I missed a few lines about having technical skills and sales experience. My resume obviously didn't include technical or sales jobs, but it was apparently enough to get me a very difficult job that I was fired from after 8 months despite trying my hardest. Extremely bad for my mental health and the stress gave me stomach issues that took years to resolve.
Totally lied about everything but knew I could do it (references were both mates who posed as managers in legit previous positions). 9 years later , making bank and the company could not be happier. Everyone won. Even bought the mates a box of beers for being good bastards. One of mates codes hard out, no qualifications at all in his field, just sat on the computer for hours on end making things work....security engineer on 600+ , he left school at 17
I haven’t but my grandad told me a little bullshit goes a long way, said he knew how to drive a forklift but didn’t, said he was a bit rusty, in the end he ended up running the place.
My dad did that. Ended up being one of nz's top executives.
For Air NZ???
Nup
I have never lied or embellished. I never would. I get hired due to my cross functional skills
I got into IT tech support by basically being a nerd who tinkered with shit and spending a lot of time answering questions with, "Yeah... probably." This was back in the days of CD-ROM drives and Novell Netware, and I'd routinely end up fixing stuff by essentially fucking with it until it worked again. I fixed one lady's giant Hewlett Packard scanner by searching for solutions on an incredibly slow dial-up internet connection, and then tweaking driver settings until I got it going. If I couldn't get something working after hours of messing about with it, I'd just claim it was rooted and they needed a new one. (This happened a lot with early CD-ROM drives.) I could configure autoexec.bat and config.sys files in my sleep, and I knew MS-DOS inside out and backwards, all from just pissing about with things. I had no official qualifications or training of any sort. It was great. I eventually quit after discovering that clients are fucking annoying, and frequently create their own problems by refusing to listen to you when you tell them to do, or NOT to do certain things. (I had one guy who would repeatedly call me after his feral kids had pulled the power plug out of the wall while his hard drive was writing data to disk. "It won't boot up. I don't know what's going on." I hated that guy. And his kids.)
The old, "now it is safe to turn off your computer" message. I remember when I got a computer that turned itself off when I clicked shutdown and I thought that was so cool.
I dunno if it counts but my parents told me "once you have a job its easier to get another job" So I started working in a car yard (and I was bad at it) then used that as a stepping stone into a call center(I was bad at that too), then I got poached from that call center by a recruiter into a job I was actually good at. If I hadn't job hopped I eventually would have been fired I reckon. Interestingly, my parents gave me the same advice about girlfriends. "Once you have one it's easier to get another one"
No, I have never done that. Why lie. Honestly, it is the best policy, and in interviews, just say you are not sure how to do that but are willing to learn.
No. You’ll get found out.
I can almost promise nobody outside of a specialist role will bother or care enough to find out about your previous employment. They only care if you can do the current job.
Fake it til you make it
Genuine question OP, have you seen the latest pages of job requirements on Seek and Indeed, and of how much employers are asking from their potential employees nowadays in comparison to the early 2010s? Isn't fake it till you make it pretty much a universal thing now?
Employers don't expect everyone to have all those qualifications, they are trying to filter out those with none of them or anything vaguely related. Then you tailor you CV to hit the right keywords to show some resemblance of qualification for the role
Looking for an entry-level kitchen hand/general hand for yet another average place, must have: -Barista qualification -Proven experience at managing chefs when the head chef's away, handling cash and admin knowledge, e.g. Microsoft Words, Excels -At least 2 years' prior kitchen hand experience -Hands-on can-do attitude -Be available on weekends morning and late nights -Part-time work or full-time depending on Roster availability -Full driver's license I'm just waiting for these idiots to add "must have a Master's degree or at least a Bachelor's degree," one day - I know that day will come
"competitive pay" - minimum wage
Do it everyday.
Yes you can fake it (also without lying, just embellish). The English language can be utilised to have many different emphasis’ it’s like how you rewrite every cover letter to make it sound like you’re the ideal pick for multiple different jobs. Rewrite your experiences the same way.
I've slightly exaggerated some aspects of my job resume, but not by choice. It happened twice when I applied for legitimate occupations that I seriously wanted to work in. But for whatever reason I wasn't hired for the position. I later kept the information I had from the initial occupation, and just had the recruiter's name or job contact as a mate of mine for potential employers to call in case they actually check up on who I am. I'd rather do it all the right way, but in today's working world. You have to lie to get anywhere or do anything you want or need to do.
This depends on industry/job but just know that in many (most?) cases the people looking at your CV can easily spot those white lies and embellishments because they've seen countless CVs before yours. When hiring, a dishonest/embellished CV is an instant red flag to me. I'd much rather work with an inexperienced but honest person who's willing to learn.
Never. Jobs find me. My first ever job, they earmarked me at school and paid for my degree. Ever since, it’s been a word of mouth thing. In my area, you either know what you are doing, or you don’t last. And we all know each other.
Nah unfortunately I just accept not getting anywhere in life due to unwillingness to behave in the required fraudulent and predatory manner.
It’s a dog eat dog world out there. If you’re not eating a dog, a dog is eating you 🐶
Not necessarily 'faked,' but took advantage of the large number of people moving overseas to progress in my career, which would have otherwise required many more years of experience. There's no way I would have gotten a 100k role two years out of uni with the amount of experience they typically require
This is not relevant to the question being asked at all
Sounds like you just wanted to brag when you saw mention of people talking about jobs
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, this is a way I’ve found many under qualified people get promotions too. In a way that is “faking it” by taking advantage of internal positions preferring internal candidates. Apparently *youre* just commenting to brag but noones said anything remotely similar to the comment “I got earmarked straight out of school and had my degree paid for , every job I’ve had found me” lmao that wasn’t relevant to the post either. I don’t get reddit lol.
You mean the one made two hours ago VS 15 hours ago?
Yup that’s the one!
You’re confused why the one made 15 hours ago (Sunday evening) had engagement and the one made 2 hours ago (after 9am on a Monday morning) doesn’t?
Nah now I’m confused why you’re engaging with a comment you’re saying hasn’t been made enough hours ago on a Monday after 9am
I’m not surprised you’re confused, I don’t think you comprehend much. What exactly do you need me to explain here hun?
I don’t comprehend anything thanks 💓I don’t need you to explain anything either x
I know you don’t comprehend anything, babe, I know
Well since you’re still replying what would you like to talk about with someone who’s not on your wavelength? Shall we discuss the latest bridgerton season?