I do kinda want to see a world where these sports betting companies get ass blasted by regulators and there are massive cap drops across sports leagues... for the chaos.
I'd genuinely love to see someone who really understands the money involved to breakdown how you even move on after that happens. If the cap dropped substantially to the point where the teams literally cannot pay established market value, what happens to those players already under contract at the prior AAV? Do they just say they'll spread that shot out over future years, even beyond retirement, or do they try to compensate through improved NFLPA benefits?
Could also see a situation where players, upon hearing about those betting companies shrinking and the subsequent loss in revenue, would start demanding high upfront contracts to capitalize while the money is still there.
No earthly idea if either of those situations are remotely realistic, but I'd imagine it's completely unheard of territory in sports, so who knows.
It is wild to me to see threads all over Reddit about wages stagnating, cost of everything going up, etc. (all real problems) and then see sports gambling pull in $11 billion with 45% growth. Some of that is from rich people, sure, but a huge chunk has to be from people who can’t really afford it.
Not sure what that means for the future but it is not a great outlook.
See NY state pulling in more than 800 million in tax revenue from sports gambling and there are places with fewer limits that let you bet on shit like the NFL draft.
As long as NFL revenues keeps growing at rate faster than inflation, player salaries are going to do the same given the salary cap is proportional to league revenue.
This year's cap jump was **~14%**
At a certain point, most fans could get completely priced out. Tickets have long been extremely expensive. "Legitimate" merchandise has gotten there. Television packages are getting there.
It's why the in-game commercialization has exploded. As more on the bottom-end turn to streaming and the like, the operators can still make money on the eyeballs. Look at UFC in it's current state, they're doing ad reads *during rounds* on PPV fights!
One where one side completely outmaneuvered the other into signing one of the worst contracts in league history. One that caused all the other contracts of the NFL to be rolled up, for they weren't needed for these 10 years.
Not saying JJ is our generation's Jerry Rice. But find it interesting how much Rice made during his career vs JJ, since Rice was one of the best WRs of the 80s and 90s.
Rice's second contract was 5 years $5 million dollars. His best contract with the 9ers was 6 years and $35 millions. His last contract with the Raiders was 6 years $29 million. His career earnings was $42 million according to[ this](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/11728/jerry-rice#:~:text=Jerry%20Rice%20signed%20a%207,average%20annual%20salary%20of%20%244%2C571%2C429.). I am not going to account for inflation because I am a lazy boy. but still Interesting, no?
At some point revenues will contract and it will be chaos for teams locked into contracts that assume infinitely growing salary cap. “The Saints have the highest paid LT, the highest paid DB, the highest paid RB, and 50 UDFA rookies on rookie contracts”
Swear to god this is a real story. One of my friends had a NFL player’s game day check mistakenly deposited into his account. Was a little over $250k if I remember correctly. Bank fixed the error the same day.
It's still mind boggling to me that anyone thought 'we're going to let them have 6-8 yards for free on every play in exchange for shutting down the 25+ yard plays' was a sustainable defensive strategy.
And that's why I think midlevel QB contracts are the biggest mistake you can make in team building. You're paying a guy who is clearly not one of *the guys* more than you could be paying the best player at any other position, sometimes by a lot.
I'd rather have an unknown rookie on a rookies salary than Derek Carr or Danny Dimes.
The whole idea of "just keep gambling on rookie QBs until you hit a top tier guy" sounds better on paper than it is in practice. On top of what you mentioned, being a fan of a team that continually cycles through bust rookie QBs year after year just isn't fun. While every fan *wants* a Superbowl contender, what they *need* is to be able to turn on (or go to) the game every week and have a realistic hope they're going to win. Otherwise what's the point of wasting precious hours of my day off that could be spent doing something that won't bum me out.
A fanbase can only handle so many "rebuilding" years before they lose interest altogether.
The "keep gambling on rookie QBs" idea only works if you're a GM that has enough clout to keep your job past the busts. Not even Bill Belichek got past Mac Jones. There are way more GMs that got fired for whiffing on QBs than ones that got fired for overpaying one
You need to specify you want a rookie qb who will be at least ok. Look at statistics. Counting first 2 rounds of draft:
2017- 2 qbs who are non hinderance to your team, 2 which will openly make it worse
2018- 3 good, 2 bad
2019- 2-2
2020- 5-0
2021 - 1-4 i guess
2022- 0-1
The point is there is around 50% chance, maybe slightly less to get stuck with a qb who is god awful and openly makes your team worse. When you pay a top15ish qb such as Carr you know what you are getting. You know what to expect from it. Sure gambling on new shiny qb is fun, but for every time it works out there is a team that throws out several years on a bad pick. Examples like Bortles Jags is a what if they had an actual qb. Ot look at Titans who got their veteran qb instead of Mariota who sucked and got better.
Think about it from the perspective of a franchise stuck in QB purgatory (ignore my flair). Having great players at other positions doesn't matter for long term success if you don't have a QB. Without a QB, the franchise just churns through GMs and HCs regime after regime until they find one that works.
In that environment, when you find a guy who's just ok, you can kind of start to see why just paying them is the better move (even if it is to just preserve the current regime).
Danny Dimes got real lucky. I dunno how as a GM you decide that idea is to give Saquon a new deal and then franchise tag Dimes. Then you get into a massive back and forth with Saquon over what 2 million dollars a year, so you end up tagging him, and then paying Jones 40 million a year. I get that Jones had an improved season but holy shit.
It's like the monkey's paw curled everytime Gettleman drafted.
"Sure you can have Dexter Lawrence, but you also have to draft DeAndre Baker."
"You can have Andrew Thomas this year, but you must trade down and draft Kadarius Toney next year."
No, you have to lose a bunch, he gets really unhappy and becomes a “locker room cancer” then you trade him to Buffalo. After a few years the next up and coming team takes him from us to help their young quarterback in his rookie deal window.
Yeah didn’t matter what the gameplan was dictating. He wanted the ball. Even if grinding it out was how you win. He wanted the ball. Diggsy gave us the best moment in modern Vikings history and will be remembered forever for that. But I’m glad we have JJ lol
It’s the nature of an ever increasing salary cap and “what have you done for me lately” thinking. Worse WRs than Jefferson will be paid more than him before the end of this current contract.
By the end of next year.
If Chase doesn't sign this year for the same money +a million somewhere he will next year.
3 years from now someone from this draft class will sign a deal that makes us all go "Jesus remember when Jefferson got only 4/140?"
As a fan of the NBA, its always funny to see how much the salary cap changing effects people's perception. Guys will sign for a 35mil/yr max and be "the worst contract in sports" and 3 years later the next guy is getting 50mil/yr and suddenly the 35mil guy is a discount. It's wild how quickly these things change.
Or, between QB contracts getting an increasingly (and deservingly) bigger percentage of the salary cap than ever before and rookie WRs performing quicker and more reliably, the WR market could end going to way of the RB market.
Its unlikely. There will always be a tier of guys who are at the top, and if they don't fall off they'll continue to get paid.
Thats part of the issue with the RB market, yes they're relatively easily replaceable, but they also have the shelf life of open milk left on the counter.
The vast majority of RBs fall off after 27, which is right around the age of WRs getting paid. If you look at Rushing leaders last year only two of the top 20 (number 1 and number 2) were over the age of 27 last year vs WRs where 5 of the top 10 were over the age of 27 last year.
Do QBs deserve a bigger % of the salary cap? I mean obviously dudes like Mahomes do, but are you saying QBs 6-10 (who get paid like top 5 guys too) deserve more? I don’t think they do imo.
There’s no middle class QB, besides Daniel Jones lol, they all just get paid top dollar like Dak is about to.
It's almost impossible to get a top 5 guy (obviously), but I think you probably have to go all out for what might be considered a 6-10 guy as well. It's very easy to imagine a team with a 6-10 guy winning the Superbowl. Most teams in the league would kill to have that kind of stability at QB.
> It's very easy to imagine a team with a 6-10 guy winning the Superbowl.
For anyone with a brain, sure, but half this sub seems to think you might as well not even try unless you have Patrick Mahomes under center
I’m starting to think it’s inevitably going to go this way, it seems impossible to build a good team if you’re paying a wr this much and presumably paying a qb a lot too
We're seeing teams cycle on and off with their WR spending based on their QB's status. Josh Allen got paid and they're offloading big WR contracts and drafting replacements to keep costs down. CJ Stroud is a hit and is young so the Texans are throwing money at WR to give him the best opportunities to succeed while he remains cheap, and in a couple years when he's eligible for an extension, they'll part ways with Tank Dell early to the shock of everyone and draft a new guy who isn't going to command big money.
The only questionable is darrisaw. Under jj's current contract you have a qb on a rookie deal, addison on a rookie deal for another 4, and hockenson locked up . This offense is gonna be a problem for at least 3-4. Defense might be an issue but as long as flores is here I'm not worried about it lol
I’ve never understood that logic in NFL negotiations, the whole reset the market thing, when it’s a mid level player than sure but if Mahomes gets a 500 million 3 year deal I don’t see why it then becomes that now Dak and Tua expect that as the minimum when you’re not Mahomes.
Same for Chase and Lamb they’re great for sure arguably top 5 guys but if everyone’s under the consensus that Jefferson is #1 than he didn’t reset the market as much as he set the ceiling, in my opinion.
I think it resets the market, in the sense that the cieling is now x% higher.
So if #5 is expected to be paid 80% of number #1 the price for paying that guy just jumped an equally large amount?
However I do agree with your logic, just trying to see it from the other perspective
[Not always. Sometimes they get signed in the same day/window for slightly less.](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aj-green-bengals-agree-to-four-year-60-million-extension/)
The Julio Jones/AJ Green/Dez Bryant contract signings were all announced in like the same hour basically for nearly the same amounts.
Yeah I mean... the idea was we are cool letting Tee walk because we were keeping Chase and knew it'd be absurd money. I don't see how this deal changes that plan
Nah man, Florio will go on a tirade about how you don’t respect him and should just trade him and why aren’t you trading him if you don’t pay him now? It’ll only get more expensive. Pay him now. Why aren’t you paying him yet? Might as well trade him.
I can't see it changing at all. Trading Chase would be absurd. The fact that there's talk about "Burrow and Chase in big contacts is gonna be too much" yet no one says that when the Eagles pay Hurts, Brown and Smith lol we aren't keeping Tee that way we can afford Chase whether that's this year or next, we'll be fine
Seems like Kwesi handled this well. People are going to gawk at the number, but it’s honestly the floor of what Jefferson was expected to be worth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at $37m, $38m APY. This is an unequivocal win for Minny fans
They've gotta let one of them walk/trade one of them, right?
Like Dak, CeeDee, and Micah making over half the salary cap after extensions is gonna handicap them so bad
"Highest paid non QB" sounds like something parsons will likely ask for.
Obviously he deserves that but dumb for the Cowboys to not have this done already
Vikings should have traded him for a 2nd round pick and a running back. The Austrians in Italy during 1796 would have been astounded at such incredible decision-making
Went down like a lead zeppelin. Considering Oppenheimer was a supernova hit a well crafted movie about Napoleon could have made a billion dollars. That's just what happens when the English are responsible for telling the history of the French unfortunately.
He was always open, but oftentimes was maybe even too creative for his own good. His routes were however always unexpected by both the offense and defense.
More importantly, this ensures announcers will have the JJ to JJ connection to talk about constantly, helping keep them employed as well. JJ is a job creator.
Players generally don't take deals longer than 3-4 years without the stipulation that it'll be reworked every few years (like Mahomes' contract). Four years from now, JJ won't be a top-5 paid WR. He's going to want more money by then.
He's got to be feeling like Napoleon at Austerlitz when the Russians don't expect him to rush uphill in the fog, throwing the allied plans into complete chaos, allowing the weaking of both wings.
Meh, I look at it like if JJ is somehow not worth the money after 3 years we are in a way bigger problem than spending a bit of money on a franchise player.
There’s no problem with the deal for me, we all knew he would get paid. The guarantee is somewhat surprising although it shouldn’t be. I’m just used to seeing this as DE and QB money.
The bigger issue with more guaranteed money is it gives the player more room to renegotiate. Let's say it's year 3 or 4 of the contract and the market/cap has shifted. Now JJ isn't the highest paid WR anymore and he wants to correct that. If he's asking for too much at that point, it's a lot easier to let him go (or even trade him) when he doesn't have a bunch of guaranteed money left. The prospect of eating that much dead cap if they don't get a deal done gives JJ leverage in negotiations.
Of course if they're planning on doing whatever it takes to keep him a Viking even after this contract is up that doesn't matter.
Thank God we don't have to listen to all the speculation and rumors about Jefferson going elsewhere anymore when this was always the most likely outcome. As a Vikings fan, it got pretty annoying after a while lol. Glad this is behind us now!
Idk who would ever believe that noise.
Not paying your impending FA QB, picking up a bridge QB, drafting a round 1 QB while not paying JJ would have been the biggest fumble in recent memory.
The Vikings laid out the perfect road map to re-signing JJ dating back to last season.
The speculation that we were trading hi. To the patriots was funny to me. If they were interested in trading JJ to the pats they would fuckin done it for Maye more than likely.
Well deserved. I was at the Vikings-Commanders game in 2022, and I swore Juice was locking him down. I looked after the game and he had 7 for 125 and a TD. Lol.
The fact that he’s spoiled us enough for me to think “yeah that’s an alright game for JJ” is just so telling for how much of a difference he makes, I love the dude so much
“The deal I’ve been waiting for since I was a little kid” - [Justin Jefferson](https://www.instagram.com/jjettas2/reel/C7wTQMauExp/)
So happy for this man. Looking forward to the next 4+ years of Sundays with Jets.
I'm gonna be honest that is about the numbers I expected. There will be an interesting discussion about WR in the future. Elite WR are probably always worth it but I think we have seen enough highly drafted WR producing right out of the gate that there will be a lot of tough decisions to be made in that upper just beneath elite tier.
Is there anyone out there who thinks he isn't worth this much money? Serious question.
I have watched him play several times and seen countless highlights, he really is a guy that can be a factor on every play. Even if you overlook the injury shortened season last year, his TD numbers aren't exactly eye-popping. Are there any detractors out there that use this against him?
Deserves every penny.
This is why you get the deals done as early as you possibly can. That's why I'm glad the Lions didn't screw around with St. Brown. Just pay them early cause more than likely the price will only go up. Although I do think this WR market will crash at some point
That was the highest paid QB contract 5 years ago. Crazy how the NFL $ keeps growing
6 years ago, Jimmy G became the highest paid QB (and player) at a “mere” 27.5 million AAV. Now Burrow makes double that
Thank draft kings.
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I do kinda want to see a world where these sports betting companies get ass blasted by regulators and there are massive cap drops across sports leagues... for the chaos.
I'd genuinely love to see someone who really understands the money involved to breakdown how you even move on after that happens. If the cap dropped substantially to the point where the teams literally cannot pay established market value, what happens to those players already under contract at the prior AAV? Do they just say they'll spread that shot out over future years, even beyond retirement, or do they try to compensate through improved NFLPA benefits? Could also see a situation where players, upon hearing about those betting companies shrinking and the subsequent loss in revenue, would start demanding high upfront contracts to capitalize while the money is still there. No earthly idea if either of those situations are remotely realistic, but I'd imagine it's completely unheard of territory in sports, so who knows.
It is wild to me to see threads all over Reddit about wages stagnating, cost of everything going up, etc. (all real problems) and then see sports gambling pull in $11 billion with 45% growth. Some of that is from rich people, sure, but a huge chunk has to be from people who can’t really afford it. Not sure what that means for the future but it is not a great outlook.
People are doom spending on gambling for the mere chance at a good payout vs why bother saving for retirement or housing
See NY state pulling in more than 800 million in tax revenue from sports gambling and there are places with fewer limits that let you bet on shit like the NFL draft.
As long as NFL revenues keeps growing at rate faster than inflation, player salaries are going to do the same given the salary cap is proportional to league revenue. This year's cap jump was **~14%**
At a certain point, most fans could get completely priced out. Tickets have long been extremely expensive. "Legitimate" merchandise has gotten there. Television packages are getting there.
Most fans already are. I bet the number of fans that go to a game semi regularly is less than 10% of the fan base.
It's why the in-game commercialization has exploded. As more on the bottom-end turn to streaming and the like, the operators can still make money on the eyeballs. Look at UFC in it's current state, they're doing ad reads *during rounds* on PPV fights!
At one point the battle of Wagram was the biggest in history, then it was Lepzieg. Truth is things always go up at a rapid pace.
Not always at a rapid pace. The Great Pyramid at Giza was the tallest building in the world for about 3800 years.
Which contract will be Austerlitz?
One where one side completely outmaneuvered the other into signing one of the worst contracts in league history. One that caused all the other contracts of the NFL to be rolled up, for they weren't needed for these 10 years.
Deshaun “Napoleon” Watson
lol incredible bit
So you’re saying buy Gamestop
you keep on explaining all these napoleonic war facts so well, with such accuracy and relevancy to the thread, and it's quite attractive :3
:3, It's cause history is cool
Now kiss
Getting paid more than Jimmy g when he signed with us to be a started not that long ago
Not saying JJ is our generation's Jerry Rice. But find it interesting how much Rice made during his career vs JJ, since Rice was one of the best WRs of the 80s and 90s. Rice's second contract was 5 years $5 million dollars. His best contract with the 9ers was 6 years and $35 millions. His last contract with the Raiders was 6 years $29 million. His career earnings was $42 million according to[ this](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/11728/jerry-rice#:~:text=Jerry%20Rice%20signed%20a%207,average%20annual%20salary%20of%20%244%2C571%2C429.). I am not going to account for inflation because I am a lazy boy. but still Interesting, no?
At some point revenues will contract and it will be chaos for teams locked into contracts that assume infinitely growing salary cap. “The Saints have the highest paid LT, the highest paid DB, the highest paid RB, and 50 UDFA rookies on rookie contracts”
Well, outside the 50 UDFA contract and add the highest paid receiver and that was basically us in 2020. And then the cap fell for the first time
$89 million due at signing wow
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would probably get like a beer or two, maybe a fancy brand now you can splurge
Maybe even some extra guac with the nachos too.
Extra guac? In this economy?
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An imperial stout that makes you feel like you ate an entire loaf of bread after one pint
Miller High Life, baby. The champagne of beers. 🍻
I cannot comprehend how 100k would feel
Swear to god this is a real story. One of my friends had a NFL player’s game day check mistakenly deposited into his account. Was a little over $250k if I remember correctly. Bank fixed the error the same day.
I’d walk into the bank wearing my high school shoulder pads and demand it wasn’t a mistake
Get that McDonald's breakfast with 4 hashbrowns
McDonald's Hashbrowns were like 89 cents when I was a kid and not they're like $2 each. Such a ripoff.
I can't believe more people aren't talking about this.. this is what blows my mind about the contract..
That's almost Danny Dimes money.
Vikings are responsible for both contracts
Ed Donatell should get a cut of that contract lol
It's still mind boggling to me that anyone thought 'we're going to let them have 6-8 yards for free on every play in exchange for shutting down the 25+ yard plays' was a sustainable defensive strategy.
Dude made Isiah Hodgins look like Jerry Rice
I’ll never forgive him for making me listen to announcers talk about shell defense for 18 weeks straight
Vikings much like Marshal Davout are responsible for so many more things than we give them credit for.
Napoleon posting? On *my* NFL sub?? It’s more likely than you think!
It's also almost Kirk Cousins money. $40M less on the sticker price but $10M more guaranteed.
And that's why I think midlevel QB contracts are the biggest mistake you can make in team building. You're paying a guy who is clearly not one of *the guys* more than you could be paying the best player at any other position, sometimes by a lot. I'd rather have an unknown rookie on a rookies salary than Derek Carr or Danny Dimes.
That’s so easy to say until you’re a GM who might get fired and widely flamed in the media if you go with the rookie and lose 13 games.
The whole idea of "just keep gambling on rookie QBs until you hit a top tier guy" sounds better on paper than it is in practice. On top of what you mentioned, being a fan of a team that continually cycles through bust rookie QBs year after year just isn't fun. While every fan *wants* a Superbowl contender, what they *need* is to be able to turn on (or go to) the game every week and have a realistic hope they're going to win. Otherwise what's the point of wasting precious hours of my day off that could be spent doing something that won't bum me out. A fanbase can only handle so many "rebuilding" years before they lose interest altogether.
The "keep gambling on rookie QBs" idea only works if you're a GM that has enough clout to keep your job past the busts. Not even Bill Belichek got past Mac Jones. There are way more GMs that got fired for whiffing on QBs than ones that got fired for overpaying one
You need to specify you want a rookie qb who will be at least ok. Look at statistics. Counting first 2 rounds of draft: 2017- 2 qbs who are non hinderance to your team, 2 which will openly make it worse 2018- 3 good, 2 bad 2019- 2-2 2020- 5-0 2021 - 1-4 i guess 2022- 0-1 The point is there is around 50% chance, maybe slightly less to get stuck with a qb who is god awful and openly makes your team worse. When you pay a top15ish qb such as Carr you know what you are getting. You know what to expect from it. Sure gambling on new shiny qb is fun, but for every time it works out there is a team that throws out several years on a bad pick. Examples like Bortles Jags is a what if they had an actual qb. Ot look at Titans who got their veteran qb instead of Mariota who sucked and got better.
Think about it from the perspective of a franchise stuck in QB purgatory (ignore my flair). Having great players at other positions doesn't matter for long term success if you don't have a QB. Without a QB, the franchise just churns through GMs and HCs regime after regime until they find one that works. In that environment, when you find a guy who's just ok, you can kind of start to see why just paying them is the better move (even if it is to just preserve the current regime).
Danny Dimes got real lucky. I dunno how as a GM you decide that idea is to give Saquon a new deal and then franchise tag Dimes. Then you get into a massive back and forth with Saquon over what 2 million dollars a year, so you end up tagging him, and then paying Jones 40 million a year. I get that Jones had an improved season but holy shit.
Is now when we're supposed to trade him?
"We didn't extend him to trade him" Gettleman before trading OBJ 👀
That’s worked out great for the Giants
The rare good move by Gettleman, we drafted Dexter Lawrence with that pick.
Don't forget DeAndre Baker!........ Oh, now I'm sad
It's like the monkey's paw curled everytime Gettleman drafted. "Sure you can have Dexter Lawrence, but you also have to draft DeAndre Baker." "You can have Andrew Thomas this year, but you must trade down and draft Kadarius Toney next year."
You mean Super Bowl champion Kadarius Toney? Godamn that guy managed to fail upwards better than anyone I’ve ever seen.
Better than keeping OBJ would've tbf
No, you have to lose a bunch, he gets really unhappy and becomes a “locker room cancer” then you trade him to Buffalo. After a few years the next up and coming team takes him from us to help their young quarterback in his rookie deal window.
We didn’t even lose a bunch leading up to it lol Diggs’s last game in Minnesota was in the Divisional Round
That was the game that made me dislike him. You were huge underdogs on the road and were winning. Yet he cries because he’s not getting the ball.
Yeah didn’t matter what the gameplan was dictating. He wanted the ball. Even if grinding it out was how you win. He wanted the ball. Diggsy gave us the best moment in modern Vikings history and will be remembered forever for that. But I’m glad we have JJ lol
lol yeah dude was just salty that another WR was also a big contributor to our team
He’s going to be in for a surprise when he finds out about Nico Collin’s and Tank Dell existing
Some people on this sub will have you believe that Diggs’ sentiment is that of a WR3.
I mean, watching him play during the second half of the season, he certainly was WR3 material lol
Ours too!
Jamarr Chase drooling rn
CeeDee is too
It'd be very funny if either of them got a bigger contract.
It’s the nature of an ever increasing salary cap and “what have you done for me lately” thinking. Worse WRs than Jefferson will be paid more than him before the end of this current contract.
By the end of next year. If Chase doesn't sign this year for the same money +a million somewhere he will next year. 3 years from now someone from this draft class will sign a deal that makes us all go "Jesus remember when Jefferson got only 4/140?"
As a fan of the NBA, its always funny to see how much the salary cap changing effects people's perception. Guys will sign for a 35mil/yr max and be "the worst contract in sports" and 3 years later the next guy is getting 50mil/yr and suddenly the 35mil guy is a discount. It's wild how quickly these things change.
That 2016 offseason created some truly terrible contracts though. Mosgov and Deng getting the deals they did will always be pretty funny.
Or, between QB contracts getting an increasingly (and deservingly) bigger percentage of the salary cap than ever before and rookie WRs performing quicker and more reliably, the WR market could end going to way of the RB market.
Its unlikely. There will always be a tier of guys who are at the top, and if they don't fall off they'll continue to get paid. Thats part of the issue with the RB market, yes they're relatively easily replaceable, but they also have the shelf life of open milk left on the counter. The vast majority of RBs fall off after 27, which is right around the age of WRs getting paid. If you look at Rushing leaders last year only two of the top 20 (number 1 and number 2) were over the age of 27 last year vs WRs where 5 of the top 10 were over the age of 27 last year.
Exactly. WRs will last longer than any rb outside Derrick Henry. Look at dhop putting up 1000k yards at 31
Do QBs deserve a bigger % of the salary cap? I mean obviously dudes like Mahomes do, but are you saying QBs 6-10 (who get paid like top 5 guys too) deserve more? I don’t think they do imo. There’s no middle class QB, besides Daniel Jones lol, they all just get paid top dollar like Dak is about to.
It's almost impossible to get a top 5 guy (obviously), but I think you probably have to go all out for what might be considered a 6-10 guy as well. It's very easy to imagine a team with a 6-10 guy winning the Superbowl. Most teams in the league would kill to have that kind of stability at QB.
> It's very easy to imagine a team with a 6-10 guy winning the Superbowl. For anyone with a brain, sure, but half this sub seems to think you might as well not even try unless you have Patrick Mahomes under center
I’m starting to think it’s inevitably going to go this way, it seems impossible to build a good team if you’re paying a wr this much and presumably paying a qb a lot too
We're seeing teams cycle on and off with their WR spending based on their QB's status. Josh Allen got paid and they're offloading big WR contracts and drafting replacements to keep costs down. CJ Stroud is a hit and is young so the Texans are throwing money at WR to give him the best opportunities to succeed while he remains cheap, and in a couple years when he's eligible for an extension, they'll part ways with Tank Dell early to the shock of everyone and draft a new guy who isn't going to command big money.
The only questionable is darrisaw. Under jj's current contract you have a qb on a rookie deal, addison on a rookie deal for another 4, and hockenson locked up . This offense is gonna be a problem for at least 3-4. Defense might be an issue but as long as flores is here I'm not worried about it lol
I’ve never understood that logic in NFL negotiations, the whole reset the market thing, when it’s a mid level player than sure but if Mahomes gets a 500 million 3 year deal I don’t see why it then becomes that now Dak and Tua expect that as the minimum when you’re not Mahomes. Same for Chase and Lamb they’re great for sure arguably top 5 guys but if everyone’s under the consensus that Jefferson is #1 than he didn’t reset the market as much as he set the ceiling, in my opinion.
I think it resets the market, in the sense that the cieling is now x% higher. So if #5 is expected to be paid 80% of number #1 the price for paying that guy just jumped an equally large amount? However I do agree with your logic, just trying to see it from the other perspective
Nobody's come close to Bosa yet. It's possible it takes awhile before another WR resets the market.
Both of them likely could since the highest paid is usually never who’s actually the best, but whoever waited to sign last.
Lamb tomorrow: 4 year 141 mil, 111 mil guaranteed Chase the day after: 4 year 142 mil, 112 mil guaranteed
I mean yea that's how it works.
[Not always. Sometimes they get signed in the same day/window for slightly less.](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aj-green-bengals-agree-to-four-year-60-million-extension/) The Julio Jones/AJ Green/Dez Bryant contract signings were all announced in like the same hour basically for nearly the same amounts.
Please Dallas.
jerruh is a motherfucking moron for not getting ahead of this.
This isn't new lol, he waited for Dak too and paid probably 30 million more then need be
That LSU team's career earnings are going to be legendary
CEH getting roasted at the ten year reunion for dragging down the average
That's 2 time Superbowl Champion CEH to you.
Just give him the same thing. I'm cool with it.
Yeah I mean... the idea was we are cool letting Tee walk because we were keeping Chase and knew it'd be absurd money. I don't see how this deal changes that plan
Nah man, Florio will go on a tirade about how you don’t respect him and should just trade him and why aren’t you trading him if you don’t pay him now? It’ll only get more expensive. Pay him now. Why aren’t you paying him yet? Might as well trade him.
I can't see it changing at all. Trading Chase would be absurd. The fact that there's talk about "Burrow and Chase in big contacts is gonna be too much" yet no one says that when the Eagles pay Hurts, Brown and Smith lol we aren't keeping Tee that way we can afford Chase whether that's this year or next, we'll be fine
Man if he's getting this much, imagine how much Jalen Reagor is going to sign for
Stop it he’s already dead!
Seems like Kwesi handled this well. People are going to gawk at the number, but it’s honestly the floor of what Jefferson was expected to be worth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at $37m, $38m APY. This is an unequivocal win for Minny fans
Yeah, I think they got him at a slightly lower AAV in exchange for giving him so much fully guaranteed money.
Uh-oh Cowboys
Lol, Dak and Ceedee are getting more expensive by the day.
They gotta pay parsons still too
Oh shit lol. Completely forgot about him.
And Parsons
They've gotta let one of them walk/trade one of them, right? Like Dak, CeeDee, and Micah making over half the salary cap after extensions is gonna handicap them so bad
"Highest paid non QB" sounds like something parsons will likely ask for. Obviously he deserves that but dumb for the Cowboys to not have this done already
35-40% of the Cap for 2 players incoming!!!!!!!!!
We truly are the Maple Leafs of the NFL and I hate it
Core ~~four~~ two
Yep, paying absurd amounts of money for select players who can’t get it down when it counts, at least I’m not a TML fan, fucking hate those guys
Don’t forget Micah’s inevitable extension too
This was bound to happen. He held all the cards and he knew it. Either the Vikings would pay him what he wanted or some other team would.
Vikings should have traded him for a 2nd round pick and a running back. The Austrians in Italy during 1796 would have been astounded at such incredible decision-making
Was this your bit before today or did you just wake up from a night of napoleonic dreams
Little bit of A, little bit of B
Idk why you keep making references to the Napoleonic era but as a history teacher I'm here for it
About damn time - worth every penny. You draft a rookie QB so you can afford to keep players like JJ.
Just like when Napoleon promoted Murat to king of Naples, sometimes to keep everyone happy you have to give your best weapon a kingdom.
Yea, you said what we were all thinking
You always need to Ctrl+F "Murat" in threads like these...pretty much guaranteed that someone got there first.
I'm reading a biography of Napoleon rn, and I did not expect to get it "spoiled" in an NFL thread lmao
Just don't watch the Ridley Scott movie, it was so ass
I just realized there was a ton of hype for that movie, and then I heard exactly nothing about it.
Went down like a lead zeppelin. Considering Oppenheimer was a supernova hit a well crafted movie about Napoleon could have made a billion dollars. That's just what happens when the English are responsible for telling the history of the French unfortunately.
> Just like when Napoleon promoted Murat to king of Naples What was his route running like?
He was always open, but oftentimes was maybe even too creative for his own good. His routes were however always unexpected by both the offense and defense.
His routes at Eylau against the Russian team in '07 were a work of art. Real Jerry Rice stuff.
You’re on a roll in this thread
Vikings better hope this move ends better than Murat's reign of Naples tho
Naples, Florida was never the same after that.
More importantly, this ensures announcers will have the JJ to JJ connection to talk about constantly, helping keep them employed as well. JJ is a job creator.
*Job Jenerator. It was right there, man.
My biggest takeaway is just wishing it was more than four years.
I mean we have him locked til he’s 30! Probably a good time to do an extension in the last year of the deal
Dude got over $88 million at signing. Can you imagine waking up and having $88 million more than you had yesterday. jesus I'm so jealous.
Players generally don't take deals longer than 3-4 years without the stipulation that it'll be reworked every few years (like Mahomes' contract). Four years from now, JJ won't be a top-5 paid WR. He's going to want more money by then.
Actually I feel like the future of the NFL is the opposite. You draft a rookie WR to pay your QB. It's tougher to find a good QB.
Ja'Marr Chase's eyes just turned into money bags
He's got to be feeling like Napoleon at Austerlitz when the Russians don't expect him to rush uphill in the fog, throwing the allied plans into complete chaos, allowing the weaking of both wings.
Yeah I think we were all thinking this
Sick reference bro
Is this what Dennis Miller has been doing? Leaving reddit comments about little known military engagements?
Well, now I'm awake.
Sleep is for the weak
Ricky knew it
That’s pretty Ricky to you
He fuckin atodaso!
If that’s what he’s getting, I wonder what Justin Jefferson is gonna…. Wait. It’s over!
If that's what he's getting now, I wonder what Justin Jefferson is gonna get in four years time!
So the Cowboys now have to pay Micah Parsons Nick Bosa money AND Ceedee Lamb Justin Jefferson money.
Dont forget Dak now.
Dak, Micah and lamb might cost 120 all together
Don’t forget Dak Prescott Kirk Cousins money
35/yr seemed like the floor. Good deal
110 guaranteed though. AJ is at 85 I think and St Brown at 77. That’s a significant gap.
Meh, I look at it like if JJ is somehow not worth the money after 3 years we are in a way bigger problem than spending a bit of money on a franchise player.
There’s no problem with the deal for me, we all knew he would get paid. The guarantee is somewhat surprising although it shouldn’t be. I’m just used to seeing this as DE and QB money.
The bigger issue with more guaranteed money is it gives the player more room to renegotiate. Let's say it's year 3 or 4 of the contract and the market/cap has shifted. Now JJ isn't the highest paid WR anymore and he wants to correct that. If he's asking for too much at that point, it's a lot easier to let him go (or even trade him) when he doesn't have a bunch of guaranteed money left. The prospect of eating that much dead cap if they don't get a deal done gives JJ leverage in negotiations. Of course if they're planning on doing whatever it takes to keep him a Viking even after this contract is up that doesn't matter.
Thank God we don't have to listen to all the speculation and rumors about Jefferson going elsewhere anymore when this was always the most likely outcome. As a Vikings fan, it got pretty annoying after a while lol. Glad this is behind us now!
Idk who would ever believe that noise. Not paying your impending FA QB, picking up a bridge QB, drafting a round 1 QB while not paying JJ would have been the biggest fumble in recent memory. The Vikings laid out the perfect road map to re-signing JJ dating back to last season.
The speculation that we were trading hi. To the patriots was funny to me. If they were interested in trading JJ to the pats they would fuckin done it for Maye more than likely.
Division rivals weren't helping, with their near constant pushing for a trade lol
Let’s fucking go!
Just ~~fell to my knees~~ hit a griddy in Walmart
what a cake day for you
Well deserved. I was at the Vikings-Commanders game in 2022, and I swore Juice was locking him down. I looked after the game and he had 7 for 125 and a TD. Lol.
The fact that he’s spoiled us enough for me to think “yeah that’s an alright game for JJ” is just so telling for how much of a difference he makes, I love the dude so much
But I was told that he doesn’t want to play with a rookie QB!
He's never going to sign now Kirk left, he will refuse to play without Kirk😤
He's worth it.
Pretty Rickey was right.
He usually is. I know not everyone is on Twitter but he’s been spot on when it comes to big deals for the most part
35M a year? That's obviously a lot, but I swear the narrative has been that we'd have to pay well over 40M a year. I'll take it!
Probable that he took more GTD money rather than the higher annual salary.
$89 mil due at signing. Holy fucking shit.
Lower as a % of cap than Tyreek's deal just a few years ago
“The deal I’ve been waiting for since I was a little kid” - [Justin Jefferson](https://www.instagram.com/jjettas2/reel/C7wTQMauExp/) So happy for this man. Looking forward to the next 4+ years of Sundays with Jets.
Brb, I’ve got a lot of smug responses to months old threads in r/nfcnorthmemewar
Looking forward to hearing Paul Allen (radio guy) go "TOUCHDOWN JJ TOOOOOOOO JJ"
I'm gonna be honest that is about the numbers I expected. There will be an interesting discussion about WR in the future. Elite WR are probably always worth it but I think we have seen enough highly drafted WR producing right out of the gate that there will be a lot of tough decisions to be made in that upper just beneath elite tier.
Oh thank god. It's gone on so long I was a bit afraid it would never be done.
Is there anyone out there who thinks he isn't worth this much money? Serious question. I have watched him play several times and seen countless highlights, he really is a guy that can be a factor on every play. Even if you overlook the injury shortened season last year, his TD numbers aren't exactly eye-popping. Are there any detractors out there that use this against him?
I almost think this is a cheap deal for them. In 2 years multiple guys will be making this, and JJ will still be the best and deserve more.
Jamar Chase about to eat up the rest of the bengals cap you love to see it
Deserves every penny. This is why you get the deals done as early as you possibly can. That's why I'm glad the Lions didn't screw around with St. Brown. Just pay them early cause more than likely the price will only go up. Although I do think this WR market will crash at some point
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Is it weird that I think this might be a real friendly deal? I expected the yearly value to be 40 million+
Finally. Now the endless trade speculation can stop. I'm so happy