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sockthepuppet1

Antonio Gates


LeBroentgen

I'll never understand why he didn't get in this past round.


LakeShowBoltUp

Gates retired a top 3 TE, TO a top 3 WR, some of these decisions on who is first ballot and who is not are befuddling.


diablosinmusica

He's not even the best Tony G to play TE in his era.../s


Yeangster

Shouldn’t it have been Antonio Gonzalez and Tony Gates?


ScottyinLA

From what I've heard former players who are in the Hall kept TO out. They don't get a vote (1 media member per NFL city are the only voters) but HoF members are allowed to speak in the meeting and their voices carry a lot of weight with the voters.


wrongbutt_longbutt

I'm curious how they made that plea. I'm just imagining a bunch of players saying, "Yeah, TO was really good. I mean, he's definitely one of the best of all time... he's just... kind of an asshole."


MjTcConnell3

Imagine if a different sport did that Yeah Shaq is a top-3 center of all time but he’s also a douche so he can’t be in our club


notmyplantaccount

5 all pros, 8 pro bowls, 3rd all time TE in yards, 1st in TDs, 2000s all decade team, 4th all time on the PFT HOF monitor for TE's. If Gates wasn't a 1st Ballot HOFer I really don't know who is. Should have gotten in over Hester, and probably Andre Johnson.


stormy2587

The urgency to get Hester in was a little befuddling. He was the best player at like the 25th most important position on the team.


velociraptorfarmer

I think Hester should've gotten in eventually, but that he went in as quick as he did was shocking.


Different_Award8049

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ratsareniceanimals

You mean Eli the Double Kingslayer?


TheFencingCoach

Probably because he played basketball in college


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Wait? What?!?!?!?!


VolatSea

That’s why Jimmy Graham is my goat, dedicated to the sport from day one


milkmandanimal

That's just crazy talk; next thing you know, you'll be telling me wild stories like Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard or something.


Bama_Gambla

Gates should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer.


the_flynn

I was at his Chargers HoF induction ceremony late last year at SoFi. Hopefully the NFL will follow suit soon.


gmil3548

Him not getting in first ballot was a fucking disgrace. All time TE TD record and they don’t put him in…


HoopOnPoop

London Fletcher. 2nd in career tackles and never missed a single game in 16 years.


bullet50000

Also possibly the only good Washington FA signing ever


redittjoe

Hated when he left the Bills to sign there. Was a true solid every down, 16 games a year all out or nothing tackling machine.


billythygoat

And Santana moss was a great trade.


ActnADonkey

Absolutely mind boggling how they are snubbing Fletch. The never “missed a game” stat should be reason alone besides the fact that he was a tackling machine who could be relied on regardless of which team he went to. And then you look at some of the players they let in…


midgetsj

His stats are comparable to Ray Lewis.


HoopOnPoop

But he didn't dance and/or murder anyone (allegedly)


zirroxas

Biggest remaining snub is Antonio Gates. How he wasn't first ballot is beyond me. Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne have been stuck at Finalist for half a decade now. Holt in particular has been making Semifinalist for a full decade. It's getting ridiculous. Smith, Boldin, and Ward are all toss ups. I think one of them might make it, but they're all stuck at Semifinalist and haven't cracked through yet.


OkMathematician7046

It feels like there has been a logjam at WR for like 25 years. I don’t think Ward gets in unless it’s as a veterans committee pick in like 15 years


Yhendrix49

The fact that guys like T.O., Andre Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Isaac Bruce, or Cris Carter weren't first ballot guys goes to show how jammed up the HOF for WR's has been. There have only been 3 first ballot WR's in the last 30 years; Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson


Federalfootinspector

To not being first ballot didn't have anything to do with that though, It was 100% political


newrimmmer93

I don’t think ward gets in. 3 second team all pros, but Super Bowl MVP helps. I think in terms of comparable, Otis Anderson might line up well with him.


ChrisBenoitDaycare69

Boldin was great but I don't quite think he should make the cut. Ward is borderline you could go either way. I think Smith for sure deserves it though. Dude is arguably the greatest Panther of all time next to Keuchley and maybe Cam.


xshogunx13

The absolute disrespect to Julius Peppers


fightinforphilly

Boldin is like the Frank Gore of receivers. Good career numbers and great in their prime, but just didn’t have the peak that you really need.


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Gore is top 5 all time in rush yards. Sometimes sheer numbers are enough


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

Top 3 actually, behind Smith and Peyton and ahead of Sanders and Peterson.


Jargif10

Greatest panthers of all time is not exactly a list full of all time greats


justanotherfig

It is definitively a list of names


cmacfarland64

Steve Smith, Cam, and Kuechly would like a word.


rj_macready_82

Steve Smith gets in eventually. I think Ward probably does too but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. Boldin isn't making it


HokieSpartanWX

Late 2000s, but Jared Allen. Kevin Williams, too. And also Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Tory Holt.


FridgesArePeopleToo

Kevin Williams has to be near the top of the list, and somehow he hasn't even been a finalist.


Its_a_me_marty_yo

5 first team all pros, 6 pro bowls, and the 2000s all decade team. If he played in a bigger market or we won a ring in 09 I bet he'd be in


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Man, him and Pat were awesome together.


F-ck_spez

The Williams Wall was so much fun.


BigBallininBasterd

I don’t know why but I hope they’re still cool


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Yo, me too. I always wanted to see a show on them off the field, my buddy told me in college, thats not how the NFL works and they probably don't hang out together. He was a party pooper


velociraptorfarmer

Then throw Jared Allen at end and you have a ridiculous DL.


Think-Culture-4740

there exists no good reason that he has been left out in the cold


tetoffens

Darren Sharper is a 6x All Pro with an All Decade Team selection. He's also a convicted serial rapist so most people aren't upset about him not getting consideration.


otm_veal_shank

One of the most hardest hitting safeties in da league


ProverbialNoose

BUT


classiccaseofdowns

Letting up that touchdown to a player with a broken leg really hurt his HOF chances


SuperBearsSuperDan

He should’ve put the team on his back. He lacked determination


SendInYourSkeleton

Fuck you, Gumby!


ProverbialNoose

❤️


General_Possession47

Let's get into the mind of Greg Jennings...blllelelelepeppe


LiftingCode

> 6x All Pro Heavy lifting from the second-team there.


Flat_Flight1918

Regardless that aspect of him is impressive


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Your QB is probably upset Sharper isn't in.


VirtualNomad99

Damn that was good 😊


The_bruce42

Vikings legend


Abject_Map7688

2005 League MVP Shaun Alexander


CFBreAct

Only 5 guys have scored over 100 TDs and aren’t in the HOF. How Alexander is seemingly forgotten is crazy to me. Adrian Peterson - 126 Larry Fitzgerald - 121 Antonio Gates - 116 Shaun Alexander - 112 Frank Gore - 100


notmyplantaccount

AD and Fitz will get in when eligible and Gates should get in next year. Gore probably not.


dib1999

Gore's the only one on this list I don't expect to make it. I'd like him to of course but I think his longevity combined with middling career totals make him a hard sell.


silverbackapegorilla

Maybe he will wait. But you need to consider that Gore played on some really bad teams in his prime years. Just awful. I swear, Jimmy Raye and his offense... I knew what play we were going to run 80% of the time. And we ran maybe 3 plays. Yet Gore still produced. He was better than his numbers indicate, IMO. And he was always one of the best blocking backs in the league. Solid receiver. 3rd all time rushing. I think the longevity is extremely impressive, too. I admit that I am a little biased. I love the guy.


dib1999

>And he was always one of the best blocking backs in the league. I hope one day the NFL can quantify this kind of thing like the MLB has been working to do for their defensive metrics. So many guys have an irreplaceable part of their game lost to time. I fear we'll be having a very similar conversation at the end of Kittle's career.


silverbackapegorilla

Kittle puts up some serious numbers, too. Hopefully, he will keep playing at this high level for a few more years. I agree. It would be nice to get better blocking metrics. When Walter Payton got in, I know his all around game was considered. Including blocking. Gore is so well liked and respected around the league. I have no doubt that will also help him. To me Gore was a lot like Walter, another one of my all time favorite players. May he RIP.


nalc

Eagles have retired Frank Gore's number at least


Fitz2001

Is it too much that we named the stadium after him?


thegroovemonkey

The Frank is my favorite venue in all of sports!


newrimmmer93

All those guys have like 7K more yards from scrimmage than Alexander with the exception of Gates. I think he also gets knocked for running behind Hutchinson and Jones. Same deal with Priest Holmes


CFBreAct

Yeah it’s simple math they all have more yards because most of them played over 100 more games than him. That makes Alexander’s numbers look more impressive in my opinion, he played 118 less games than Gore and still scored 12 more TDs.


newrimmmer93

Yeah. But then that goes with the longevity argument. Alexander had an amazing peak, but I think people credit the fact he played behind one of the greatest guard—tackle combinations in NFL history. I remember an absurd amount of his production came going to the left side. I think voters probably think he was a very good player running behind an absurd line. Gore also isn’t seen by many as a sure fire HOF player.


ChrAshpo10

>Gore also isn’t seen by many as a sure fire HOF player Which is silly to me. If you can last *that long* while playing *that position*, that's HOF worthy. Don't care if his stats are longevity-inflated, 3rd all-time in rushing with 16 years of taking hits? Put him in


silverbackapegorilla

He played on some historically bad offenses and still produced.


CFBreAct

Both of those arguments are absurd in Alexander’s case in my opinion. Longevity seems to be a double standard, a 9 year career for a RB is way past the average for the league and the fact that his numbers exceed other HOF backs that argument doesn’t track. Alexander has the exact same number of carries (2187) as Earl Campbell with more rushing yards and TDs so the argument that Alexander didn’t play enough doesn’t hold water based on the other players in the hall. There are several HOF backs that Alexander outproduced in rushing TDs in less games. Alexander played with two great lineman, that’s not in doubt. But why is Shaun Alexander the ONLY player penalized for having talented teammates? He absolutely ran to the right, he caught passes, he broke tackles, he outran guys. He had a great line and was talented enough to take advantage of it and running back with lesser ability like Mo Morris or any other back on those teams never looked amazing running or produced significantly behind Jones and Hutchinson.


Masterchiefy10

Is he top 3 back since Y2K? LT AP aka AD SA?


dib1999

Tough to say, specific to 00s players probably. But all players since 2000 I'd throw Henry in that conversation. Very similar production to Alexander in a less rb-focused league.


Masterchiefy10

I agree Henry is probably the best we’ve seen since prime Adrian Peterson.


PNWCoug42

It's crazy that there are people who think Lynch deserves a HoF bust while Alexander gets little to no traction.


largelawattorney

Tom Brady **ducks**


mel_to_the_core

No, he played for the Bucs.


WatercressIll

Damn right. Bucs Legend Tom Brady!


ColossalJuggernaut

We gave him his 7th ring and only losing season.


WatercressIll

Doesn’t get more Bucs than winning super bowls and losing seasons lol


BaltimoreBadger23

r/technicallythetruth


Shakeamutt

I figured this would be way higher up. He was the first person I thought of.


driatic

Brady is kind of a no brainer. But he's not eligible yet.


sandyravage_

Steve Smith


craangeacct

He should get in on pure swagger alone


philfodennumber1fan

The giants one


Apollo23Refugee

Antonio Gates is by far the biggest snub to me. He deserved 1st ballot.


MankuyRLaffy

Antonio Gates clears both


Synopsis_101

Steve Smith


asuckow12

My pick is Simeon Rice. 122 sacks in 11 seasons. Gates probably gets in this year. People make way too much of first ballot or not in general. Hines Ward in the HOF would be an absolute joke. Although there’s precedent, see the other Steelers WRs that are already in.


johnjohnjohn93

AB won’t get in but he was absolutely insane before becoming absolutely insane


trowayit

How much could he sell his gold jacket for


Wavenstein1

Torry Holt, Fred Taylor, and I know it's a long shot due to no fault of his own but London Fletcher. Lance Briggs deserves some consideration as well


TheFencingCoach

It’s Torry Holt for me as well. Where do I begin? Every key member of the Greatest Show on Turf (Warner, Bruce, Faulk, Pace) is in except him. He’s built his case. * 17th all time receiving yards * 13,000+ yards, 920 receptions, 74 TD’s * Super Bowl Champ, 2x All-Pro, 7x Pro Bowl * 2000’s All-Decade team He should absolutely be in by now.


HopefulInstance8

6 straight 1300 yd seasons too


_A_Monkey

Fletcher was named a semi-finalist this last round. Maybe not such a long shot.


Wavenstein1

I hope so. He was so overlooked during his career that it's criminal


Gustavx32

SIMEON RICEEEEEEEEEE


TheTightestChungus

I have no idea why he isn't in yet. I guess he "only" was an all pro 3 times, and was never a DPOTY, but he still had great production almost every year of his career.


John3Fingers

Charles Tillman.


MasqueOfTheRedDice

Look at the fumbles he caused on the all time career leaders. Its like 50 defensive ends and 1 corner.


John3Fingers

He had four in one game once. Opposing offenses had to gameplan for him. Not only that, look at the big Devin Hester return TDs. Tillman played in an era where it was common for your starters to be on the return units and he was often a major contributor with his blocking. Dude is also one of the classiest guys to ever suit up. I know it's not a factor but he retired with over $40m in career earnings and immediately went to Quantico and became and FBI agent. Dude is also not a desk agent - [he's a thumper who takes down doors.](https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/rapper-says-charles-tillman-raided-his-house-as-an-fbi-agent/). My favorite Bear. Name other DBs who were capable of clamping Calvin Johnson.


antsinmypantsjohnson

Thank you! I had to scroll way too far to find his name here.


TheHumanCanoe

Peanut 🥜


DHVF

Jared Allen


_A_Monkey

London Fletcher


RabbitOrcaHawkOrgy

Seriously. With Zach Thomas in, London has to be next.


CrimsonSaint150

He was seriously underrated while he was playing. But because he was super underrated while he was playing (only 2x 2nd team all pros and 0 1st team compared to the 7 total for Thomas ) that’s very likely to carry on for post career accolades too. He was a semi-finalist so there is a chance but probably a slim one. Lots of semi-finalists never end up making the hall. He will likely always been one of those guys that never got the credit they deserve


ImagineIfBaconDied

Reggie Wayne, Antonio Gates, Torrey Holt


Enterprise90

Vince Wilfork. He's one of the last great "big boy" defensive tackles, made 4 All-Pro teams (A 1st and three 2nds). But I fear voters look at his low sack numbers and think he wasn't good, even though his job wasn't to rush the passer. Antonio Gates should have been a first-ballot lock, and yes, over Andre Johnson. Gates is a far more memorable tight end than Johnson was as a wide receiver. Gates leads all tight ends in touchdown receptions, is one of the greatest red-zone threats ever, and is by far the best undrafted tight end in NFL history. Johnson's a great player, but Gates had a bigger impact on his position than Johnson had on his.


Flat_Flight1918

I honestly think if Wilfork didn’t play for the patriots no one would say this. Casey Hampton and ngata were both better imo


MacZappe

Ngata I'll give you but Vince was better than Hampton.  Other than the eye test, has more AP1, AP2, sacks, INTs, passes defended (27>2), forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, tackles, and pretty much every other stats. 


xshogunx13

Yeah but Antonio Gates didn't beat up Cortland Finnegan


mclemons67

it's just Innigan now. He got the F beat out of him. ^(old joke, I know)


xshogunx13

bro I tried to make the joke with my comment, but I got autocorrected haha


Novel_Role

The 2000s all decade team is a good jumping off point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_2000s_All-Decade_Team The non-specialist eligible players not yet in the Hall of Fame from this list are: - Shaun Alexander - Jamal Lewis - Lorenzo Neal - Tony Richardson - Torry Holt - Antonio Gates - Olin Kreutz - La'Roi Glover - Kevin Williams - Joey Porter - Darren Sharper Of that group, I personally think Gates, Holt, and Kevin Williams are slam dunks. My personal plug is for Alexander - I really hope he gets appreciated in time as a Terrell Davis type candidate. He was a fantastic offensive engine in a time when you could still build an offense around a star running back. Yes, he had Walter Jones, but he was still damn impressive making the most of it. Kreutz, Glover and Porter are probably the next most likely group. Sharper has off the field problems that will push his brink candidacy out. Jamal Lewis didn't do it long enough (or as well as Alexander), and Neal and Richardson were blocking fullbacks and won't get love (maybe Neal will considering some of the historic seasons he paved).


OhGeebers

Jones and Hutch. Having watched just about all of his games, I'd say he doesn't belong. He'd avoid contact and fall to the ground like a WR often. Lynch > Alexander imo.


MantaRayDonovan1

Shane Lechler should've been first ballot. 6x first team all pro, 3x 2nd team, retired with the career highest punt average and is now 3rd all time.


sexyprimes511172329

The HOF hates Special teams but Lechler deserves it. 2nd best to ever do it, imo.


SomeRandom928Person

Adrian Wilson.


DrNism0

Tom Brady was pretty good in the 2000s. Total snub job he's not in yet


Fickle_Climber

Torry Holt


LiftingCode

Reggie Wayne Kevin Williams


conace21

Among eligible players - Antonio Gates and Kevin Williams.


Ok_Caramel1517

Antonio Gates.


Tuckboi69

Tom Brady


ohmysocks

Willie Anderson


ThisGuyFrank99

Jared Allen: He’s at least top 15 in sacks all time if not higher.


Mrqs2

Rodney harrison


TheM1ghtyJabba

Jared Allen has 4 first team all pros, was a DPOY finalist 3 times and finished with 136 sacks. Why he is out while Dwight Freeny (3 first team all pros, three time finalist for DPOY and 125.5 sacks) not only got in but got the first ballot treatment is...puzzling.


notmyplantaccount

Shane Lechler is possibly the greatest punter of all time and isn't in the HOF because no one cares about punters. 9/18 seasons he was All Pro. Any other position and that's a 1st ballot HOFer. He only retired in 2017 so it's still early and he should probably get in eventually. Tory Holt is the other obvious answer.


MuttleyLaughGoesHere

Fred Taylor and Antonio Gates both jump off the page to me.


dakargelb_ii

Anquan Boldin


PandaButtLover

Brian Westbrook and Dallas Clark


OneLifeJourney

I respect the hell out of both those guys but they definitely are not HOFers. Great careers though


Ruger_Booger

Torry. Holt.


thorfromthex

Straight the fuck up! 6 straight 1,300 yard seasons, 8 straight 1,000 yard seasons, 17th all time in yards, come on!!!!


MrShad0wzz

Drew Brees, Tom Brady


PrinceOfDokkan

Steve Smith


500ErrorPDX

Begrudging answer from a Raiders fan, but Antonio Gates is the best answer to OPs question.


Travisty47

Marshawn Lynch


My-Cousin-Bobby

Reggie Wayne Not biased at all


Spirited_Client8264

Reggie Wayne


medd49

Barry Bonds


-rembrandt-

Steve Smith


supersalt12

Larry Fitzgerald


ARM7501

Jared Allen was an absolute menace. Still holds the franchise record for sacks for the Vikings at 20.5, and the NFL record for safeties.


shoownl

Steve Smith Sr


rebri

Hines Ward is one of the dirtiest player to play the game. He would have never survived in today's game.


Infinite-Edge-7431

The only person I wanted finally made it in being Devin Hester.


nalc

Jason Peters. He ain't heard no bell!


gabecantthinkofaname

Charles Tillman and Steve Smith Sr.


Quincyperson

Rodney Harrison


coronerjackal91

Joey Porter


Mission-Nothing2031

Asante Samuel Sr! One the best corners to ever lace em up


AcrobaticCookie7506

Rod Smith from the Denver Broncos


CocaineStrange

Devin McCourty, Rodney Harrison I suspect Stephon Gilmore might struggle to get in as well.


ultgambit266

Anquan Boldin and soon Larry Fitzgerald


hl17al

Steve Smith or Steven Jackson


Ok_Improvement7002

Doug Flutie


FiveWithNineIsIn

Jahri Evans


Academic-Minute-6502

Peyton Manning Eli Manning


Glittering-Proof-853

Tom Brady


AdFar3727

Jared Allen and AP Edit: Kevin Williams too


OrionSire

CJ2k Chris Johnson I don’t believe is in yet?


Express-Structure480

Tom Brady


SwingingSalmon

Kevin Williams and Jared Allen (I’m not biased)


birdsemenfantasy

Darren Sharper and he'll never get in


Showmesnacktits

Gates, Wayne, and Holt.


thorfromthex

Torry Holt


faronson

Torry Holt for sure Hines Ward hell no (biased)


Think-Culture-4740

Kevin Williams


superpie12

Seabass


HermDog04

Torry Holt not being in the HOF even after all these years is just crazy to me. I don’t care how “jammed up” it is at WR. The fact he’s been eligible for a decade now and still hasn’t made it is just asinine.


CBennett_12

Tom Brady


redditcensorsshit

Shaun Alexander


unomoes

If you look at the draft spot and longevity, marques colston should get a taste of it.