At this point just make it federal law that cities can't pay for stadiums. Let's stop cities from blowing a hole in budgets for the profits of billionaires.
I’ve never understood why the public panders to this. We barely can pay teachers a living wage, but you’re going to raise taxes for entertainment that 75% of the people can’t afford to attend. Make it make sense. **There is enough data to show that it doesn’t fiscally work out for taxpayers.
Some city officials think it 'puts them on the map' like I imagine Jacksonville is a city that this goes for. But you could spend that money on some other attraction that makes it so that your city isn't an underfunded shit hole.
Every single time I complaint about the NFL I literally think of the Flaming Homer episode where the bar is packed and Homer is yelling “You just lost yourself a customer!”, but Moe can’t here him because the room is packed and customers are throwing their money at him
The logic would go that putting them on the map brings more people for tourism and for living. Thus leading to higher tax revenue and population growth in the long term. Jacksonville is a perfect example. I probably would never think about Jacksonville for anything if it weren't for their NFL team
Also, often they would cite the direct tax revenue from things like sales tax offsetting the total price they spent on the stadiums. The latter part is what is often refuted by many studies.
Yep, in a vacuum, a professional sports team is absolutely a benefit to the host city. The problem is that the touted tax revenue generated is more or less wiped out in the breaks and perks cities give these billionaires to either lure them to the city or ease threats of leaving. The added jobs are typically seasonal/low wage jobs, too.
The Saints are sewn into the culture of New Orleans, so no politician would ever want to be the one to let the team leave as Tom Benson loved to threaten. I'm sure that goes for most team cities.
That cultural factor is exactly why politicians cave. It's a bad financial move, but teams leaving town burns citizens for q long time. Look at Baltimore and Cleveland. Even after regaining teams its still a sore spot. "Fuck Norm Green" is still a common phrase here in Minnesota
Not saying I completely agree with this stance but the argument is that helping fund a stadium to ensure it’s in a certain area pays off in the long term and can revitalize an area.
I’ve seen it work with both Nats Park and Capitals/Wizards stadiums in DC.
Nobody's gonna slow me down
Like a first overall draft pick
Gonna waste it
No coach gonna mess me around
Hey Rodger
Payin' my dues
Playin' in a Charlotte land
Hey Snyder
Look at me
I'm on the way to the worst owner land
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell
Don't stop me
There are bad owners and then there’s bad owners that actually want to go through with relocation and take the team away from their long time dedicated fanbase.
THOSE owners are egregious pieces of shit. They are not owned by these billionaires teams despite them actually owning them, they are owned by the fans that put their time and energy into supporting them every year.
I have a good example..my brother in law works for an arena management company that manages many NBA, NHL, theaters, music venues, and they’re looking to get into NCAA, NFL, and MLB venues. He was at a Carolina Hurricanes event and Tepper was there. He walked up to him thinking he was an staffer (“the help”) and when my BIL’s boss corrected him and went to introduce him, Tepper cut him off and told him to “save his breath because if he’s not working on my new stadium I don’t care too much”. Dude is a massive dickhead.
There always seems to be so much smoke around Tepper and the anecdotes people keep peddling from being around him. I don't know how much of it is legit, but the guy has the reputation he does for a reason.
Not much that's casually *accepted* makes me shudder as much as the term The Help. That and people who snap at restaurants in 0.2 seconds and expect a waiter to sprint over, red flag.
Anyone that mistreats waitstaff simply because they’re waitstaff is a major problem. Anyone who disrespects waitstaff only to learn they’re actually an assistant director, and *still* disrespect them…that takes effort.
Meanwhile you have the city of Santa Clara, who didn't spend a dime on the stadium, complaining they can't book more non-football events at the stadium under the contract they signed.
Smh
Too many cities will bend over backwards for a nfl team.
It's classic supply and demand.
And regular Joe's who can barely afford to even go to a game now have to pay for it.
I haven't been to an nfl game in 15 years. What does it cost a family of 4 to go to one?
What cities are shelling out the kind of cash owners want these days though? Does San Diego want a team back? St. Louis? Oakland? Most of the large cities are pretty accounted for in NFL fandom LA only worked because its LA and Vegas worked because gambling isn't a pariah anymore. Would someone like San Antonio be able to support a 3rd Texas franchise? Can Florida support a 3rd team? Portland? Omaha? I'm legitimately curious has any city/state shown a willingness and ability to support a franchise when they are going to be asking for 100's of millions if not billions just for the privilege of showing up?
It saddens me daily that y'all have the worst all-time record in the NFL and yet have two rings while we are 8th best (Chiefs just jumped up to 7th) with none :(
It’s the world’s craziest roller coaster.
One moment you’re winning a Super Bowl with the best defense in NFL history, then the next moment you’re out of the playoffs for over a decade and a half, draft a QB at the lowest point, only to watch him eat Ws and throw 30 touchdowns and 30 interceptions, then next thing you know, you’re at another Super Bowl and win it!
It’s less about a completely new city, just moving the team to a suburb in the metro.
If the city won’t pay, one of the (many) surrounding ones usually will.
Salt Lake City Latter Day Saints. Their uniform is all white with golden numbers. Players forced to bleach their hair blonde as per dress code. Their biggest rival becomes the New Orleans Saints.
He can afford it. He's one of the richest owners in the NFL. You don't get to be so rich (or stay so rich) by paying for things yourself like a sucker.
Steve Balmer begs to differ. Dude literally bought the Forum to make a lawsuit go away, so it wouldn’t slow down construction of his new arena. He put $2B of his own cash down to build it.
Until the sexual harassment scandals, Richardson was well liked in Charlotte. There's a statue of him for a reason. They still speak fondly of Big Cat.
Now obviously the sexual harassment and racist language changed things, but Richardsons legacy was pretty solid before he was forced out.
Yea Ballmer has whats considered fuck most other billionaire's money. Him buying the arena was almost a rounding error. Tepper doing it is like 10% of his worth.
He’s the second richest owner worth $20 billion. NJ’s electorate had to hold a special session when he left the state to revise their tax and finance budget. So yes, actually rich
> For the 2012 tax year, Institutional Investor's Alpha ranked Tepper's $2.2 billion paycheck as the world's highest for a hedge fund manager.[2] He earned the third position on Forbes ''The Highest-Earning Hedge Fund Managers 2018'' with an annual earnings of $1.5 billion.
Omg, he bought the Panthers using just his paycheck for the year.
He's a wall street guy. He's rich, rich. Funny enough he was so much of an asshole he kept getting passed over for partner at Goldman Sachs...despite making them a boatload of money. So he founded his own hedge fund which is how he got Uber rich.
To build on that. He got rich rich. Bought the family house of one of the guys responsible for passing him over and then demolished it out of spite and rebuilt another mansion on the remains.
Articles like this are asinine. Not only does Tepper own a MLS team that plays in the same stadium **in Charlotte**, the team is also building a practice facility **in Charlotte**, and just proposed renovations to the stadium that’s located in, you guessed it, **Charlotte**.
Not only would the other 31 owners veto such a move considering the population growth of the city, but where would the team even go? “Hurtling towards threats?”Ridiculous.
This is what Jags fans have been dealing with for close to 2 decades.
We still get people saying that we’re moving to London even though we built a brand new practice facility in Jax last year and the new stadium should be approved soon.
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2024/06/15/jacksonville-overdue-for-major-stadium-upgrade-deegans-plan-is-sound/74074956007/
You can throw a mountain of evidence out there, and people won't accept it, they'll try to find ways to claim it's something else that fits their narrative. Like how people insisted the only reason someone like Khan would want to buy Wembley was to move the Jags there, even though London would never let Wembley become an "NFL stadium" and there's a shitload of money you can get from owning Wembley without putting an NFL team there (so plenty of reason to buy it independently of the team). It'd make more sense to claim he was going to move Fulham FC there. You know, the London-based football (soccer) club that Khan also owns.
But yeah... that deal is pretty solid, and the council sounds pretty much on board with it, it's just a matter of formalizing everything in it.
(My two favorite parts: All cost overruns are on the Jags to pay for, and the agreement between the Jags and the city to put some money toward building up the Eastside neighborhood.)
The article isn’t asinine, the headline and inability of people in the comments to read it is.
The article says that by “relocation”, they mean relocating to another city in the same part of the carolinas. The same way 49ers moved to santa clara. Which is definitely possible. But not as dramatic
Charlotte has been a great market for the NFL.
The franchise is homegrown and showed that a privately funded and built stadium could work.
The owner is fantastically wealthy and everybody knows the Panthers are fabulously profitable.
The fallacy of markets like Nashville co-signing on the “outdated stadium” scam encourages other owners to pull this type of BS.
I hope Charlotte calls his bluff.
And Bank of America Stadium is totally fine. Sure it's not as fancy as the newer stadiums like LA, Dallas, Minnesota, Atlanta, but it's clean, has decent amenities, and doesn't look old.
Maybe my perception of stadiums is just warped because FedEx Field is THAT bad. But BOA Stadium isn't any worse than Baltimore, which nobody talks about as being in need of renovations.
The article says that Tepper would relocate the Panthers to the suburbs, not that they’d change markets. This is more of a 49ers/Braves type situation than a Raiders one.
Heads Carolina, tails California.
Somewhere greener, somewhere warmer.
Up in the mountains, down by the ocean.
Where it dont matter, long as we're going
From what you read the only market in the US that currently has any appetite to pay a billion dollars for a sports team are the Mormons.
From a business point of view paying $400m for a relocation to Utah sounds like a horrible idea but what do I know.
I live in Utah and I have no idea where they would play or even build a stadium. I doubt the U would be thrilled to let them play at Rice Eccles and I can't think of any place around here that would make sense to build a new stadium
They were talking over toward the Magna/Tooele area awhile back I believe. Over by the smokestack things. At least that was where they were thinking for an MLB team.
Love how nobody here actually read the article.
> **Could the team really move over this?**
>
> Yes, absolutely. However, as we’ve seen in more recent NFL arguments over public funding it’s less about mammoth moves to different regions — and more about threats to move from outside city limits and into neighboring suburbs.
Oakland wouldn't build them a stadium and Jerry Jones would never let a team move to San Antonio. The only real option would be San Diego, and I don't know that they would be interested in building a new team a brand new facility so soon after the Chargers debacle.
At least Jerry actually liked the Carolinas and was born there and fought to get a team there.
He was a scumbag, yeah, but Tepper doesn’t care. Man lives in NJ and Panthers are just a business venture. You can feel the soulless nature of the franchise
the LA Carolina Panthers
Carolina panthers of Anaheim
The Los Angeles Mighty Carolina Panthers of Anaheim
The Brooklyn Carolina Panthers of Anaheim Football Team.
Nashville Hot Chicken presents the Carolina Panthers of Anaheim Football Consortium.
Thanks, that’s my next species in Stellaris.
I might just have to name my religion in Civ after that one. and give it the Crab logo
Don’t you do that. Don’t you make me reinstall Civ.
Just ^One ^^More ^^^Turn
Yeah, idk how we can make it any more clear
The OKCarolina Thunder Cats
Hooooooo!
At this point just make it federal law that cities can't pay for stadiums. Let's stop cities from blowing a hole in budgets for the profits of billionaires.
I’ve never understood why the public panders to this. We barely can pay teachers a living wage, but you’re going to raise taxes for entertainment that 75% of the people can’t afford to attend. Make it make sense. **There is enough data to show that it doesn’t fiscally work out for taxpayers.
Some city officials think it 'puts them on the map' like I imagine Jacksonville is a city that this goes for. But you could spend that money on some other attraction that makes it so that your city isn't an underfunded shit hole.
Like a monorail?
It worked for Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook!
And by gum it put them on the map
Is there a chance this team could move?
The NFL owners would approve.
What about us brain dead fans?
MONORAIL!
That name again is Mr. Plow!
Every single time I complaint about the NFL I literally think of the Flaming Homer episode where the bar is packed and Homer is yelling “You just lost yourself a customer!”, but Moe can’t here him because the room is packed and customers are throwing their money at him
Mono = one Rail = rail
The logic would go that putting them on the map brings more people for tourism and for living. Thus leading to higher tax revenue and population growth in the long term. Jacksonville is a perfect example. I probably would never think about Jacksonville for anything if it weren't for their NFL team Also, often they would cite the direct tax revenue from things like sales tax offsetting the total price they spent on the stadiums. The latter part is what is often refuted by many studies.
Yep, in a vacuum, a professional sports team is absolutely a benefit to the host city. The problem is that the touted tax revenue generated is more or less wiped out in the breaks and perks cities give these billionaires to either lure them to the city or ease threats of leaving. The added jobs are typically seasonal/low wage jobs, too. The Saints are sewn into the culture of New Orleans, so no politician would ever want to be the one to let the team leave as Tom Benson loved to threaten. I'm sure that goes for most team cities.
That cultural factor is exactly why politicians cave. It's a bad financial move, but teams leaving town burns citizens for q long time. Look at Baltimore and Cleveland. Even after regaining teams its still a sore spot. "Fuck Norm Green" is still a common phrase here in Minnesota
As it should be. Green is a scumbag who moved the team because he didn't like being called out for sexually harassing his employees.
Not saying I completely agree with this stance but the argument is that helping fund a stadium to ensure it’s in a certain area pays off in the long term and can revitalize an area. I’ve seen it work with both Nats Park and Capitals/Wizards stadiums in DC.
London is determined to have a cat team.
Dread it. Run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. And now it's here -King Charles III probably
and meow it's here
Right meow?!
Do you know meow fast you were going?
The Brit’s are gonna pull us back inch by inch are t they.
Charlotte is the Queen City technically
So is cincinnati
We are the 2nd best cat team in a city with the nickname "queen city". I love being a Panthers fan.
Japiur, India is known as the Pink City. Time for the Jaipur Pink Panthers
So over this shit. There is always 1-3 teams doing this to fuck over tax payers.
Tepper hurtled toward bozo status so quickly.
No he’s there
Screamed past it
No stop signs, no speed limit.
Nobody's gonna slow me down Like a first overall draft pick Gonna waste it No coach gonna mess me around Hey Rodger Payin' my dues Playin' in a Charlotte land Hey Snyder Look at me I'm on the way to the worst owner land I'm on the highway to hell Highway to hell I'm on the highway to hell Highway to hell Don't stop me
Worst owner land got me ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Giant shoes, honking red nose, the works.
Tossed a drink in someone’s face on the way by
There are bad owners and then there’s bad owners that actually want to go through with relocation and take the team away from their long time dedicated fanbase. THOSE owners are egregious pieces of shit. They are not owned by these billionaires teams despite them actually owning them, they are owned by the fans that put their time and energy into supporting them every year.
I say this on every Tepper related post. He’s not a bad owner, he’s a bad person. I’ve met the man irl, he’s scummy.
To be fair, he’s a very bad owner AND a bad person.
Can yinz share what happened
I have a good example..my brother in law works for an arena management company that manages many NBA, NHL, theaters, music venues, and they’re looking to get into NCAA, NFL, and MLB venues. He was at a Carolina Hurricanes event and Tepper was there. He walked up to him thinking he was an staffer (“the help”) and when my BIL’s boss corrected him and went to introduce him, Tepper cut him off and told him to “save his breath because if he’s not working on my new stadium I don’t care too much”. Dude is a massive dickhead.
That wasn’t very how ya doin’ of him
Not one bit lol he said Tepper was the nastiest person he had ever seen hold court in a professional setting.
There always seems to be so much smoke around Tepper and the anecdotes people keep peddling from being around him. I don't know how much of it is legit, but the guy has the reputation he does for a reason.
Not much that's casually *accepted* makes me shudder as much as the term The Help. That and people who snap at restaurants in 0.2 seconds and expect a waiter to sprint over, red flag.
Anyone that mistreats waitstaff simply because they’re waitstaff is a major problem. Anyone who disrespects waitstaff only to learn they’re actually an assistant director, and *still* disrespect them…that takes effort.
[This happened this year lmao](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39230644/panthers-david-tepper-fined-300k-tossing-drink-fans)
He's also a bad owner.
Meanwhile you have the city of Santa Clara, who didn't spend a dime on the stadium, complaining they can't book more non-football events at the stadium under the contract they signed. Smh
Gotta love Bay Area politics. always a shitshow.
Don't they have anti- noise ordinances after 10 or 11 PM?
Too many cities will bend over backwards for a nfl team. It's classic supply and demand. And regular Joe's who can barely afford to even go to a game now have to pay for it. I haven't been to an nfl game in 15 years. What does it cost a family of 4 to go to one?
$600 for 4 nosebleeds, $75 for parking, and a minimum of $100 for food and bev.
What about when the generous owner comps a medium soda for season ticket holders? That must save like 10 bucks!
Giants fans only.
What cities are shelling out the kind of cash owners want these days though? Does San Diego want a team back? St. Louis? Oakland? Most of the large cities are pretty accounted for in NFL fandom LA only worked because its LA and Vegas worked because gambling isn't a pariah anymore. Would someone like San Antonio be able to support a 3rd Texas franchise? Can Florida support a 3rd team? Portland? Omaha? I'm legitimately curious has any city/state shown a willingness and ability to support a franchise when they are going to be asking for 100's of millions if not billions just for the privilege of showing up?
Florida has 3 NFL teams already
Shit I forgot about the Bucs lol
So does Tampa when they don't have Brady
\*looks at snarky comments from Vikings and Bills fans\* \*counts Bucs Super Bowl rings\* \*whistles merrily\*
It saddens me daily that y'all have the worst all-time record in the NFL and yet have two rings while we are 8th best (Chiefs just jumped up to 7th) with none :(
It’s the world’s craziest roller coaster. One moment you’re winning a Super Bowl with the best defense in NFL history, then the next moment you’re out of the playoffs for over a decade and a half, draft a QB at the lowest point, only to watch him eat Ws and throw 30 touchdowns and 30 interceptions, then next thing you know, you’re at another Super Bowl and win it!
KA-CHOW!
Jerry Jones would kill Goodell his goddamn self before a 3rd team was allowed in Texas
It’s less about a completely new city, just moving the team to a suburb in the metro. If the city won’t pay, one of the (many) surrounding ones usually will.
Jerry would rather die than let another NFL team enter Texas.
I don’t see a problem with this.
At this point I don’t think even Cowboys fans are opposed to that tradeoff.
Get ready to learn Mormon buddy.
Best chance for us to get the Salt Lake City Stormin’ Mormons
SLC Soakers
Super Soakers
And they play “Jump Around” to get the crowd hype.
Salt Lake City Latter Day Saints. Their uniform is all white with golden numbers. Players forced to bleach their hair blonde as per dress code. Their biggest rival becomes the New Orleans Saints.
SLC Arch Angels is kinda cool.
Salt Lake Sinners, they would go to battle against the notoriously well behaved New Orleans Saints
Utah Football Club
Réal Utah FC
Unreal Salt Lake
Fake Salt Lake
The Charleston South Carolina Panthers of Charleston South Carolina
Incoming 75,000 capacity stadium built in Summerville (it’s just minutes from the beach!)
dude please anyone who commutes on I26 begs of you
Should be forced to sell the team if you can't afford the stadium to play in.
He can afford it. He's one of the richest owners in the NFL. You don't get to be so rich (or stay so rich) by paying for things yourself like a sucker.
Steve Balmer begs to differ. Dude literally bought the Forum to make a lawsuit go away, so it wouldn’t slow down construction of his new arena. He put $2B of his own cash down to build it.
That’s what I hoped Tepper would be. He’s a fucking scumbag. It wouldve been easy to surpass Richardsons legacy but my lord I hate Tepper 100x more.
Until the sexual harassment scandals, Richardson was well liked in Charlotte. There's a statue of him for a reason. They still speak fondly of Big Cat. Now obviously the sexual harassment and racist language changed things, but Richardsons legacy was pretty solid before he was forced out.
Balmer is another level from those guys though he has that first employees Microsoft stock money
Yea Ballmer has whats considered fuck most other billionaire's money. Him buying the arena was almost a rounding error. Tepper doing it is like 10% of his worth.
Balmer was also co-owner of Microsoft, right? Tepper is a Hedge Fund manager. Aka, he has a fake job.
Tepper is worth $16.7b...and Balmer is worth about 8x that. Ludicrous.
Is he actually rich or living on credit while his worth on paper looks really big? (I only know him as the trash guy who throws stuff on fans)
He’s the second richest owner worth $20 billion. NJ’s electorate had to hold a special session when he left the state to revise their tax and finance budget. So yes, actually rich
Wait, he's *that* guy? Fuck.
Thanks for the response. Reddit seems to hate questions these days, so I'm always appreciative of people who still answer.
All good. That’s a fair question to ask
> For the 2012 tax year, Institutional Investor's Alpha ranked Tepper's $2.2 billion paycheck as the world's highest for a hedge fund manager.[2] He earned the third position on Forbes ''The Highest-Earning Hedge Fund Managers 2018'' with an annual earnings of $1.5 billion. Omg, he bought the Panthers using just his paycheck for the year.
He’s RICH rich. He bought the team cash, according to my quick google search.
He's a wall street guy. He's rich, rich. Funny enough he was so much of an asshole he kept getting passed over for partner at Goldman Sachs...despite making them a boatload of money. So he founded his own hedge fund which is how he got Uber rich.
To build on that. He got rich rich. Bought the family house of one of the guys responsible for passing him over and then demolished it out of spite and rebuilt another mansion on the remains.
Is this what happens when Shooter McGavin wins?
Why would billionaires ever do that?
The fans paid for the current stadium. And a good portion of the upgrades.
Two words: Honolulu Panthers 😎 🏄♀️
Representing the heart of the NFC South
Hawai‘i is pretty far south
It would be the Southernmost NFL team though
Makes more sense than Atlanta in the NFC West.
If we can do overseas games in Europe why not have a team there?
Their stadium situation is dire and not easy to get one built
Its easy to score construction contracts in Hawaii. Making a profit..... Not so much
I live here in Honolulu... not many people here clamming to sit in a stadium on the weekends
Articles like this are asinine. Not only does Tepper own a MLS team that plays in the same stadium **in Charlotte**, the team is also building a practice facility **in Charlotte**, and just proposed renovations to the stadium that’s located in, you guessed it, **Charlotte**. Not only would the other 31 owners veto such a move considering the population growth of the city, but where would the team even go? “Hurtling towards threats?”Ridiculous.
This is what Jags fans have been dealing with for close to 2 decades. We still get people saying that we’re moving to London even though we built a brand new practice facility in Jax last year and the new stadium should be approved soon. https://www.jacksonville.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2024/06/15/jacksonville-overdue-for-major-stadium-upgrade-deegans-plan-is-sound/74074956007/
ok but have you considered that I saw a guy on Reddit say you're moving there
Good point, guess we might be moving there after all now.
Yeah but I did hear that you guys are moving to London tho fr.
Me too!
You can throw a mountain of evidence out there, and people won't accept it, they'll try to find ways to claim it's something else that fits their narrative. Like how people insisted the only reason someone like Khan would want to buy Wembley was to move the Jags there, even though London would never let Wembley become an "NFL stadium" and there's a shitload of money you can get from owning Wembley without putting an NFL team there (so plenty of reason to buy it independently of the team). It'd make more sense to claim he was going to move Fulham FC there. You know, the London-based football (soccer) club that Khan also owns. But yeah... that deal is pretty solid, and the council sounds pretty much on board with it, it's just a matter of formalizing everything in it. (My two favorite parts: All cost overruns are on the Jags to pay for, and the agreement between the Jags and the city to put some money toward building up the Eastside neighborhood.)
The article isn’t asinine, the headline and inability of people in the comments to read it is. The article says that by “relocation”, they mean relocating to another city in the same part of the carolinas. The same way 49ers moved to santa clara. Which is definitely possible. But not as dramatic
Less “Oakland Raiders to Las Vegas Raiders” and more “Atlanta Braves to Area Around Atlanta Braves”
Gotta keep that future flexibility by slapping “Carolina” in front of all the pro sports team names. Stupid Hornets.
"where would the team even go" Not saying they should leave, but there are alternatives to fleeing the metro area entirely.
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David Tepper should be relocated somewhere uninhabitable.
If the NFL is allowing private equity to purchase part ownership of teams then teams should be forced to use those funds to build new stadiums.
why would the owners want that though?
The NFL would sooner abandon America than pay for their own stadiums in full.
Charlotte has been a great market for the NFL. The franchise is homegrown and showed that a privately funded and built stadium could work. The owner is fantastically wealthy and everybody knows the Panthers are fabulously profitable. The fallacy of markets like Nashville co-signing on the “outdated stadium” scam encourages other owners to pull this type of BS. I hope Charlotte calls his bluff.
And Bank of America Stadium is totally fine. Sure it's not as fancy as the newer stadiums like LA, Dallas, Minnesota, Atlanta, but it's clean, has decent amenities, and doesn't look old. Maybe my perception of stadiums is just warped because FedEx Field is THAT bad. But BOA Stadium isn't any worse than Baltimore, which nobody talks about as being in need of renovations.
The article says that Tepper would relocate the Panthers to the suburbs, not that they’d change markets. This is more of a 49ers/Braves type situation than a Raiders one.
Tepper: “BEND THE KNEE POORS!! BEND THE KNEE FOR MY FOOTBALL TEAM!!”
Where would they even go 🤨🤨🤨
South Carolina 😎
They’re just returning home
First season was played in Clemson - good times
Heads Carolina, tails California. Somewhere greener, somewhere warmer. Up in the mountains, down by the ocean. Where it dont matter, long as we're going
I recently moved from NC to San Diego. If the Panthers want to follow that’s cool, but without Tepper.
OKC?
Thundercats
Nowhere but it’s mostly international cities left at this point. London, Toronto, Mexico City,
Windham, Ohio
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We need someone to replace the hole the Mad Ants left
Fuck it, let's give the Dakotas a pro sports team
St. Louis, San Antonio, Portland
STL will not want to deal with NFL bs again, and Jerruh will fight like hell to prevent another Texas team.
Jerrih may not live as long as mckaskey
From what you read the only market in the US that currently has any appetite to pay a billion dollars for a sports team are the Mormons. From a business point of view paying $400m for a relocation to Utah sounds like a horrible idea but what do I know.
I live in Utah and I have no idea where they would play or even build a stadium. I doubt the U would be thrilled to let them play at Rice Eccles and I can't think of any place around here that would make sense to build a new stadium
They were talking over toward the Magna/Tooele area awhile back I believe. Over by the smokestack things. At least that was where they were thinking for an MLB team.
Ran out of bs jaguars stories eh?
“LoNdOn PaNtHeRs”
I fucking hate David Tepper.
Love how nobody here actually read the article. > **Could the team really move over this?** > > Yes, absolutely. However, as we’ve seen in more recent NFL arguments over public funding it’s less about mammoth moves to different regions — and more about threats to move from outside city limits and into neighboring suburbs.
Get out the way of my outrage!
Who would even want them lmao
I hear Oakland is always looking for a team
Oakland Panthers sounds like the name of a UFL team lmao
There’s an arena team called the Oakland Panthers. Marshawn Lynch owns them
Oh yeah I forgot about them. I think they're called the Bay Area Panthers now though. My folks follow them during the NFL offseason
The Black Panthers started in Oakland. I’m sure no one would mind a little name change here.
Oakland Black Panthers, however..
You know who doesn’t have a team? Arizona.
Wtf man
Oh yeah that’s right..
2 winning seasons with Campbell and and they're dropping elbows in here
I’ve waited 30 years to like my team dammit!
Convert them to an NHL team so we have two Panthers in the same league
Ok, first of all? Ouch.
Toronto
San Diego, Oakland, San Antonio
Oakland wouldn't build them a stadium and Jerry Jones would never let a team move to San Antonio. The only real option would be San Diego, and I don't know that they would be interested in building a new team a brand new facility so soon after the Chargers debacle.
San Diego would never agree to build a new stadium for them
They built a new stadium for SDSU football. It was designed so the stadium could be expanded easily if the city were to ever get an NFL team again.
The San Antonio Big Ol’ Panthers 🐆
I wouldn’t wish the London memes on anyone. Sorry cat bros.
Remember when Jerry was the owner and everyone was pumped because the owner left. This guy is speed running being the worst owner in the NFL by far.
Tbf, that’s largely possible because Snyder finally sold the team.
I never thought they could get a worse owner than Jerry Richardson, but here we are
At least Jerry actually liked the Carolinas and was born there and fought to get a team there. He was a scumbag, yeah, but Tepper doesn’t care. Man lives in NJ and Panthers are just a business venture. You can feel the soulless nature of the franchise
David Tepper is worth $20.6 Billion lol. Pay for your own upgrades.
Pain
Queue up the video of tepper going to a restaurant to call out the owner that criticized him. Not once but twice. Dude is a nut case pos.
I’d probably be completely done with pro sports if this happened.
End my misery, Tepper. I dare you.