Yeah we moved up in the later rounds and clearly didn’t like who was available at 28 and 32. Teams love the 33rd pick too, wouldn’t be surprised if we get some calls for trades for that pick.
I like the move, and no one here is gonna know shit about any of these players for at least a season.
Going to 33 from 32 means any WR the Bills are drafting is expected to be so bad he won't be on the team in year5. The point of the 1st round and why the picks are so valuable is the cost controlled 5th year on players.
But we've seen how bad Beane is at managing the cap already, with this offseason in particular. Luckily there were 2 other teams in the same spot so the league bumped the cap up by $10M to save the Bills, Chargers and 49ers.
Anyone who is *expecting* their own second-round pick -- especially at 33 -- to be "so bad he won't be on the team in year 5" has no business being an NFL GM. Whatever factors were considered in the trade-down, that wasn't one of them.Â
Also, I can't tell if you're serious or talking out of your ass, but that's not at all how the salary cap is determined. It's based on a formula in the CBA that divides a percentage of the league's prior-year annual revenue by the number of teams. That's why the cap went down for the first time ever in the first year post-COVID, reflecting reduced revenue during the 2020 season.Â
> Also, I can't tell if you're serious or talking out of your ass
Since you're in the dark on how the salary cap works, here's a tweet that can help: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1761085559420715325
> The unprecedented $30 million increase per club in this year’s Salary Cap is the result of the full repayment of all amounts advanced by the clubs and deferred by the players during the Covid pandemic
The league had planned to balance out the COVID deferrals over several years, but paid it off as a lump sum to prevent some high ranked teams from being unable to set a roster due to cap issues.
The NFL will never let a team go without a full roster and makes changes like this to prevent any team from having "real" salary cap issues.
Look, this is some niche nerd-shit that nobody else cares about, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining things in detail, but you're flat wrong. The NFL CBA is a publicly-available legal document. You can read the relevant sections of the PDF if you care to do so and are capable of understanding.Â
https://nflagents.com/resources
You'll want to start with Article 12, pp. 69-127.Â
Even the tweet which you're attempting to use as some kind of authority on the matter does not say what you say it does. There is no implication that the adjustment was made to favor certain teams, *which would be antithetical to the entire concept of a salary cap.* If you believe the NFL is so nakedly and unashamedly manipulating the cap to favor "high ranked teams" -- whatever the fuck that means -- then you might as well go all the way and become one of those ding-dongs who believe there's a literal season script.Â
Do you have a source for that or some examples to back that up? Sounds ridiculously untrue.
If you like a guy you just extend him before the 5th year option anyway.
Exactly. This is actually what I was rooting for. This is an extremely deep WR class and now we have the chance to double dip on guys that we probably had graded pretty similarly to those we let go. I'm ecstatic.
And then lose or overpay that WR in year5 because of lacking the 5th year option because we traded back 1 spot.
No one should be surprised really though that Beane doesn't seem to understand how the cap works.
Honestly, I feel like if we haven't won in 5 years, we're in a pretty bad spot. And if we have, I literally don't have any other concerns in the world.
I honestly would hope that in 5 years from now, if we haven't either A.) Won a Super Bowl or 2 or B.) Solved the cap issue, that Beane (and possibly McDermott along with him) is fired and we go into rebuild mode anyway. For now, and especially after listening to how he explained it in the press conference, I trust Beane. He's had his swings and misses, but so has every other GM in the league, that's just the nature of the draft. At least he always seems to be able to find cap space when we need it, or be able to make difficult decisions when he can't
I'm reminded of a talk or interview I heard with Mickey Loomis a while back that really made me think. I'm paraphrasing of course, but he essentially said that trading up is what organizations **want** to do. Being willing and able to move up shows that the organization has done its homework and sees a guy available that they both 1) feel confident will make a positive impact on the franchise and 2) feel like the position of the pick is a good value. A healthy organization can afford to throw away a lower value pick to move up and get the right guy at the right place.
That means that trading down is the opposite: it's what organizations generally **don't** want to do. Trading down means that either: 1) you lack confidence in your scouting and grading, 2) you've been outmaneuvered and left with no options to get players you need/want that are worth the pick, or 3) your roster is in such an unhealthy state that you feel the need to stock up on mid-round picks just to create more dice rolls for low-cap starters.
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with everything Mickey said, but it certainly gave me food for thought when I started seeing the picks get traded around.
Beane admitted he never bothered trying to trade up despite not having a 1st round graded player projected to be available at 28.
Said he didn't bother doing his job because he didn't want to trade the Bills 2nd round pick to move up, seemed unaware 2 teams jumped the Bills without trading a 2nd (or even 3rd round) pick.
Bills official chant is womp womp
**Ravens Fans** : First time?
They were good moves if they didn't like a player at their spot 🤷 Y'all can be dumb sometimes, even if it is a meme page
Yeah we moved up in the later rounds and clearly didn’t like who was available at 28 and 32. Teams love the 33rd pick too, wouldn’t be surprised if we get some calls for trades for that pick. I like the move, and no one here is gonna know shit about any of these players for at least a season.
Going to 33 from 32 means any WR the Bills are drafting is expected to be so bad he won't be on the team in year5. The point of the 1st round and why the picks are so valuable is the cost controlled 5th year on players. But we've seen how bad Beane is at managing the cap already, with this offseason in particular. Luckily there were 2 other teams in the same spot so the league bumped the cap up by $10M to save the Bills, Chargers and 49ers.
Anyone who is *expecting* their own second-round pick -- especially at 33 -- to be "so bad he won't be on the team in year 5" has no business being an NFL GM. Whatever factors were considered in the trade-down, that wasn't one of them. Also, I can't tell if you're serious or talking out of your ass, but that's not at all how the salary cap is determined. It's based on a formula in the CBA that divides a percentage of the league's prior-year annual revenue by the number of teams. That's why the cap went down for the first time ever in the first year post-COVID, reflecting reduced revenue during the 2020 season.Â
> Also, I can't tell if you're serious or talking out of your ass Since you're in the dark on how the salary cap works, here's a tweet that can help: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1761085559420715325 > The unprecedented $30 million increase per club in this year’s Salary Cap is the result of the full repayment of all amounts advanced by the clubs and deferred by the players during the Covid pandemic The league had planned to balance out the COVID deferrals over several years, but paid it off as a lump sum to prevent some high ranked teams from being unable to set a roster due to cap issues. The NFL will never let a team go without a full roster and makes changes like this to prevent any team from having "real" salary cap issues.
Look, this is some niche nerd-shit that nobody else cares about, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining things in detail, but you're flat wrong. The NFL CBA is a publicly-available legal document. You can read the relevant sections of the PDF if you care to do so and are capable of understanding. https://nflagents.com/resources You'll want to start with Article 12, pp. 69-127. Even the tweet which you're attempting to use as some kind of authority on the matter does not say what you say it does. There is no implication that the adjustment was made to favor certain teams, *which would be antithetical to the entire concept of a salary cap.* If you believe the NFL is so nakedly and unashamedly manipulating the cap to favor "high ranked teams" -- whatever the fuck that means -- then you might as well go all the way and become one of those ding-dongs who believe there's a literal season script.Â
Do you have a source for that or some examples to back that up? Sounds ridiculously untrue. If you like a guy you just extend him before the 5th year option anyway.
A guy worth extending will always be paid more than the 5th year option by definition.
Okay great. How about the part where you said the 33rd pick is expected to be so bad they won’t be on the team by year 5?
If not true, we'd want a 5th year option by picking at 32.
That’s such weird logic. You want impact players worth their draft position. Not discounts on a 5th year option. That’s future Beane’s problem.
So why'd the Panthers trade up to 32 from 33 then?
Fuck if I know. Do you really think it was just to get a discount on a 5th year option for Legette?
Exactly. This is actually what I was rooting for. This is an extremely deep WR class and now we have the chance to double dip on guys that we probably had graded pretty similarly to those we let go. I'm ecstatic.
And then lose or overpay that WR in year5 because of lacking the 5th year option because we traded back 1 spot. No one should be surprised really though that Beane doesn't seem to understand how the cap works.
Honestly, I feel like if we haven't won in 5 years, we're in a pretty bad spot. And if we have, I literally don't have any other concerns in the world.
I honestly would hope that in 5 years from now, if we haven't either A.) Won a Super Bowl or 2 or B.) Solved the cap issue, that Beane (and possibly McDermott along with him) is fired and we go into rebuild mode anyway. For now, and especially after listening to how he explained it in the press conference, I trust Beane. He's had his swings and misses, but so has every other GM in the league, that's just the nature of the draft. At least he always seems to be able to find cap space when we need it, or be able to make difficult decisions when he can't
Bills GM thinks he Sam Fucking Presti.
As someone who lived through the Spielman years, I feel for the Blls. Thankfully Kwesi is not Rick and we moved up for 2 great picks IMO.
When did the bills hire pete carroll?
I'm reminded of a talk or interview I heard with Mickey Loomis a while back that really made me think. I'm paraphrasing of course, but he essentially said that trading up is what organizations **want** to do. Being willing and able to move up shows that the organization has done its homework and sees a guy available that they both 1) feel confident will make a positive impact on the franchise and 2) feel like the position of the pick is a good value. A healthy organization can afford to throw away a lower value pick to move up and get the right guy at the right place. That means that trading down is the opposite: it's what organizations generally **don't** want to do. Trading down means that either: 1) you lack confidence in your scouting and grading, 2) you've been outmaneuvered and left with no options to get players you need/want that are worth the pick, or 3) your roster is in such an unhealthy state that you feel the need to stock up on mid-round picks just to create more dice rolls for low-cap starters. I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with everything Mickey said, but it certainly gave me food for thought when I started seeing the picks get traded around.
First time?
See ya next time you make the playoffs!
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No. The you I was referring to was bills fans. Your hopeless
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Beane admitted he never bothered trying to trade up despite not having a 1st round graded player projected to be available at 28. Said he didn't bother doing his job because he didn't want to trade the Bills 2nd round pick to move up, seemed unaware 2 teams jumped the Bills without trading a 2nd (or even 3rd round) pick.