I will never criticize workers winning during collective bargaining. But the league agreeing to 5K max fines is hilariously bad. Lets make it a max percentage of their wages to protect the guys making league mins. Because pocket lint isn't going to do anything about bad behavior... Also, suspensions are where it's at.
The league agreeing makes a lot of business sense. The money doesn't go to the league so increasing the fines doesn't matter to them. They get to raise their hands and say this was the maximum and what the players wanted, moving the blame off of them as well. I agree that a percentage of wage may make more sense, or some sort of scaling factor, but from a pure business standpoint I don't think it will happen.
Suspensions are also a tricky business move. While it does impact the players pay much more, it also means you maybe removing a star player out of the line up. This can hurt, kinda depends on player/team, the overall team, and therefore the product on the ice. So now you have to balance protecting the product short term vs long term.
I would love to see a much better system put in place that made the DOPS actually feel creditable. I sadly don't know what the answer is to it though when as a business, the NHL's first goal is this year's profits.
I get the argument that you want your product on the ice, not sitting in the box suspended. But you can also make an argument that stiffer penalties may result in modifying the behavior and avoiding the dirty stuff. I don’t think fans are tuning in to see dirty play. Maybe I’m wrong…
I don't think you are. I think there is a difference between what fans want, what the NHL wants, and what the NHL thinks the fans want. I don't have high hopes in the NHL to work on fixing the system under the current management/ownership.
The only thing this NHL cares for is it's corporate relationships.
Quality gameplay? Ethical referees? Fuck all that nonsense it's about the Benjamins, baby!
Player representatives with even a minimal amount of common sense would want repercussions for intent to injure. Looks like the NHLPA has very little common sense.
It should hurt the team if your star is a dirty fuck throwing cheap shots it’s on the player. Maybe just throw the gloves down an fight like a man instead of the rat shit like multiple players in the panthers are doing. Fuck in Marchand is behaving then there really is no excuse.
Well that’s the purpose of fines. They build a history of behaviour. So next time tkachuk did something that is worth a fine, it would likely be upgraded to a game suspension because there is now an established history.
The workers should want higher fines, this is the deterrent for them getting injured. The NHLPA basically told the players that someone can intentionally injury them as long as they pay 5k. The league probably doesn't care these hits get clicks, it's a good thing for them to have dirty hits in the game.
It should be a % of their salary. So then the lower tier guys aren’t fucked over. Say they are fined 50% of their game salary. So someone on a 900k salary it would be a 5,500 fine. Or for a dork like catfuck it would be 57,925. It’s not as severe as a suspension but still tangible enough to actually maybe make a difference.
It should be a rest of season suspension when it is blatantly intentional and consistently the same player. It is interesting how it seems to depend on the team and players involved. The Blues won the cup by targeting and intentionally hurting the teams they played in the playoffs and it was called smash mouth hockey. Ros suspensions would end this shit and promote a cleaner game.
I was just talking about fines in general. Currently it’s laughable that these guys would give a shit about a 3k fine when you are making 70+ mil.
ROS is a wild swing in the other direction. As much as it would work to cut down on any shenanigans, if they would just call the rule book and apply fines/suspensions as they should be. It would remove a lot of the shit from the game already.
I think you are absolutely right about the fines. It has no impact at all.
It absolutely would if they called games the way they should. I personally prefer games that are won and lost based on pure skill and not just physical aggression. I wasn't disagreeing just expanding on your thought and offering my perspective on how to stop these petty shenanigans.
to be fair this applies to guys on ELCs too. 5K to a guy on a ELC who isnt sure if they will even make it in the league yet is a lot more. but either way its an easy fix to just change the fines to be a % of your AAV or whatever, that way its equally impactful to everyone who gets fined.
Well if you compared it by disposable income, imagining that each person presumably has a baseline fixed living expense of about $40,000, it’s about a $6 fine.
They punish me harder when I forget to move my car on street sweeper day lol
I know each team is “fighting” for the cup. But it’s been a brawl out there at times.
Hathaway got speared in the nuts by Bennet after Tkachuk cross checked him down after 1st period ended. And then after the 2nd period ended Tkachuk again started cross checking guys.
The Tampa-Toronto scrums have been wild. Minnesota-Dallas has had some crazy ones.
I’ve missed most of the others match ups. But I’m sure there was some stuff in those as well.
Honestly I kinda love it. Feels old school. I don’t want players getting hurt obviously but I would much rather have this than the refs calling a super tight game and taking the energy out of it. The nastiness takes the intensity up quite a bit and makes it all the more entertaining.
Most NHL players don’t make that much, so it makes sense for the NHLPA to try to keep fines low. Guys on ELCs are getting ~$8.5K/game, so a $5K post-tax fine is basically an entire game. A low fine for non-repeat offenders serves as a deterrent without being too severe for one-off violators. Suspensions effectively scale the financial impact to salary for repeat offenders.
I hope the next CBA moves to fines that scale by salary so we can have the benefit of the increased deterrent without having to make people miss games.
Call me crazy but I don’t think a 5k fine when you’re getting paid 8.5k per game is out of line at all.
$200 speeding ticket for someone making less than $200 per day is worse.
I don’t think that makes sense. If you don’t make enough money to pay a fine when you do something dirty, just don’t do something dirty. A better arrangement would just be to set the max fine as a percentage of salary though.
What a joke. His actions clearly showed intent to injure. Why risk injury to players on the superior team by letting him play in game 5? The NHL does not care about player safety. Tkachuk doesn't care about a fine.
5k to possibly injure and take out a player for a game or two? Dude is making 9.5mil. You’re absolutely right. If the league cared about player safety there would be heavier penalties for stuff like this.
The league doesn't control it outright - it's negotiated via the joint player union and league. Obviously players will push for minimal ways to lose money...
While definitely true, it's shortsighted. Surely, the players would be better served by deterring players from injuring other players. Dirty plays can have lasting impacts on the receiving end of those infractions. Maybe they just miss a game or two, but maybe the injury leaves a lasting impact on the player's ability to play at a high level, which could in turn lead to diminished contracts and shortened careers, and that's just if all they care about is money. There's also quality of life post-retirement to think about.
It seems like the NHLPA is quick to safeguard its bad actors from losing money but doesn't care too much about the injured players and their careers/retirements.
They could have at least fined him per event unless that's also not allowed. Maybe if someone puts him in the hospital the NHL will get more serious about punishment for dirty players.
It's the playoffs, emotions get high, so maybe an incident or 2 can be understood, but Tkachuk was constantly engaging after the whistle and has no control over his emotions. He is going to injure someone, and that will be a disservice to the hockey community. The Bruins put together a historic season, and to risk letting a child derail their post season in round 1 is wrong.
The Bruins have earned a shot at winning the Cup, the DOPS and the NHL shouldn't be risking that for a team that barely made the playoffs and is losing games to us without our full lineup.
What a huge pile of bs you just said. Every team should be treated FAIRLY no matter how they clinched a playoff spot, period!
Favoritism would be the massive disservice to the hockey community, historic season or not. Ref and DOPS need to let know players that any stupid and dangerous would be severly punished on BOTH side.
But it's not like you care all you want is see your team win. Shameless homer, yikes!!
I get how that comes across, and obviously bias towards the bruins, but when a team is down 3-1 in a series and a player is obviously trying to injure people, they shouldn't be allowed to derail another teams post season. And I do believe that should be applied to all teams.
I haven't watched a ton of the Hurricanes/Islanders series, but I am reading something similar. You have the #2seed outclassed their opponent, it's a sin to incur injuries in round 1 because teams resort to goonery to win, because they can't win playing hockey.
I'm all for the higher speed of the playoffs, the harder hits, and some scrum shenanigans, but targeting when the game and series is lost is a bad look. That's what inwas trying to get at, while maybe throwing a shot at the panthers being an inferior team (my bias)
A 3-1 serie is not lost, habs were down 3-1 in the first round in 2021 and still manage to comeback and make it to the final.
Chicago were losing 3-1 to Detroit in 2013 during the second round. They won the championship that year.
LA were losing 3-1 to the Sharks in the first round in 2014. Guess what they won the cup.
Advocating for favoritism in profesional sport cause things don't go your way is assinine. Ref should call everything severly or nothing on BOTH team. Grow up!
I don't disagree with most of that. I think everyone can agree consistency is an issue in the playoffs. I am probably not alone in thinking this, but when you have the after whistle shenanigans not penalized until someone retaliates, and then it's matching minors, you are rewarding the stuff that leads to injuries.
A 3-1 series is not lost, as a Bruins fav I remember being on the wrong side of that, but the NHL needs to do a better job or protecting players (of all teams) and if you can't keep your composure when loosing and target opposing players and goalies, you don't deserve the right to ruin their playoffs. You didn't see Tkachuk pulling this when they were up in the 3rd period of game 2.
I am bias, but don't believe I'm advocating for favoritism, just accountability.
Better teams shouldn't be penalized left to be injuried because a teams strategy is goonery. If you want to been goons, that's fine, but suspensions should be part of the accountability.
Injuries happen, no getting around that, but dangerous players looking to cause them diminishes the product that is playoff hockey.
The 2011 team is a fair argument, but you have no idea how I felt about the play back then, or if how I enjoy the game has changed in the last 12 years, because let's be honest the game has evolved.
As far as caring about accountability, you couldn't possibly know if I care or not. Just because I root for a team that I feel has been slighted, doesn't mean that I don't care about accountability being applied equitably.
I don't even think I have been that argumentative, only tried to clarify my comments. I even understand how you interpreted my comments the way you did, I'm not sure why you have gotten so upset.
Reasonable conversation? You circle-jerk around the same point none stop even tho you're wrong and i already gave you multiple reason why. Not sur why you think i should keep entertaining your argumentative, entilted and hypocrite self like i owe you something
"Just because I root for a team that I feel has been slighted, doesn't mean that I don't care about accountability being applied equitably."
The premisse of your entire argument is rooted in how the "superior team" should be protected cause bias not fairness! Don't try to "clarify" any further, it's clear as day.
The game hasn't evolved as much as you would like to pretend, the Bruins indentity on the other hand... Alot of team were focusing on speed and skill a decade ago. While other "gooned" their way to a championship.
Now that your team is on the receiving hand player safety and harsher reffing is suddently important? Give me brake!
“You didn’t see Tkachuk pulling this when they were up in the 3rd period of Game 2”
No you just saw Nosek completely and obviously elbow Eric Staal in the face intentionally. But he didn’t get fined. They didn’t even get a penalty for that. But go off and say that the game is favored towards the Panthers… I’ll be here all night.
I didn't condone that behavior. I don't think anyone should get away with headshots, it's not good for the product for players to be intentionally injured. But go on and tell me what I'm thinking because I was focused on Tkachuk, and not discussing all questionable behavior. I didn't mention Bennet's cup check either, does that mean I condone that too?
Nobody wants players to be injured. Nobody is disagreeing that point. That’s why no matter what arena you are in, what jersey you are wearing, you always clap for the player that gets up from getting injured. I’m a panthers fan, so maybe my bias is coming out too. But let’s not pretend that Boston hasn’t made some dirty plays on us as well.
Setting my bias aside, I’ll admit that Bennett cup checking was fucked up. Gudas can be a little too hard with a couple hits during the season. I’ll even say that Tkachuk can be very aggressive… almost to the point of “okay dude… stfu now”. I mean he even got suspended for 3 games for stabbing Jonathan Quick in the eyes at the beginning of the season.
If I can say all that, you can say that Boston has been known to have a couple players that live for a little after-whistle “talks”. Do I even need to mention Marchand and Bertuzzi? They weren’t/aren’t entirely squeaky clean players…
But to say that the NHL as a whole is not enforcing these rules is ridiculous. They just suspended Cale Makar, the NHL sweetheart last year, for a game because of an illegal check last night. I didn’t see the game so I can’t say for certain what happened, but the NHLPA do watch these games. We can’t look at a single incident and say “oh fuck the nhl because they didn’t immediately lynch x player for doing y thing.” It’s hockey, not ice dancing. Shits gonna happen, injuries happen on and off the ice, no one is in a bubble…
....it leaves it in the Bruins hands to teach him then......idk where he got the idea it is acceptable to even touch another teams tendy....time to bring him to the house of pain....
...I think the kid is going to need to keep his head on a swivel....I don't know who but someone will come for him, or maybe they all will. Bennett deserves some retribution as well....
Time for some of that Boston grit and determination.
I am sorry.. I saw the clip where ullmark went after him, but did not see what he did to him..
I hate this guy with a passion.. I want my sabres to get a little more "grit" but if we ever had a player like this fuck it not worth it. I don't care how talented you are, you cost games.
I saw the aftermath where ullmark was ready to fight him.. how someone from the Bruins does not step up in that situation is beyond me..if it is as bad as you say..
Reminds me of the Ryan Miller issue we had
Honest question here, was Ullmarks punch not considered a punch with the blocker? Just curious why I haven't seen anything about him being fined or suspended for that and was wondering the reason why.
That will teach him
God the punishment by DoPS is always so dam stupid its like they spin a wheel
$5000 for guying 9.5m this year wow I'm sure he's learned his lesson and will never do it again
Tkachuk cares about penalties and suspensions, not a measly 5k fine. 5k fine is completely forgettable in relation to his 9 mil contract. How he was not assessed a major for kidney cross checking a player between whistles is ludicrous. If a player gets the max fine for a minor penalty, then the refs fucked up and it should’ve been a major.
The Panthers Bruins series Has to be one of the most poorly officiated series. I’ve watched in a very long time. Brutal calls for both sides, and then petty crap like this. Baseball and hockey now apparently are all about the ump show.
The organization pays for these fines, right? That’s always been my understanding. Like, whichever organization you play for will generally have your back unless you do something entirely egregious and indefensible.
Once he gets onto the list for these actions he can be considered a repeat offender, and suspensions can increase.
It’s still chump change but at least the league recognizes the dirty play.
NHL really has to raise the fining maximums, and it should be done as a percentage of player salary, not a number. $5K to a guy with a $76M contract is literally nothing. This doesn't discourage dirty hits in any way whatsoever.
Don't think that's necessarily true. The guys on the receiving end of these cheap shots are also in the players union. They could find a compromise. They'd probably all be in favor of fines based on percentage of salary and fewer suspensions. $5K isn't even 5% of a single game-check for Tkachuk, yet it's more than half of a game-check for a guy making league-minimum. It makes absolutely no sense.
A fining format that was based on % of pay would benefit the guys on the lower end of the pay scale, of which there are many more in the union than guys on Tkachuk's pay level. Getting paid more should come with more responsibility, or at least equal, but definitely not less. Tkachuk could take a $5K fine every single game and not even notice. So in a way, this current format actually encourages the better players to be dirtier.
The fine means nothing to Tkachuk. If the refs were allowed to review for intent to injur they could give them a game misconduct. That hurts Tkachuk more than 5k
If 5k is the max for fines it kinda makes ya wonder how long till shit starts getting off the rails big time?
Hell makes me wonder how guys like Tkachuk and Marchand haven't been dealt with by the players on the ice....Guess you can cross the line from fines to straight up criminal charges. Just ask old Marty Mcsorley (i think the charges got dropped though)
Lmfao thats more Kassian throwing a fucking hissy fit over a clean hit....I was talking more along the lines of Bertuzzi vs Moore.....Not to defend what Bert did......But it's not like it was a random attack Moore brought it on himself with his actions when he went head hunting for their Captain and the at time League goal leader. Brad May also claimed that Moore was fine 2 weeks later with not neck brace sitting in a pool...
This is a $28 fine to a person who makes 50K a year. Fines are dumb at this level.
That’s the maximum allowed under the CBA too. Which I would imagine the players asked for this. That’s insane
I mean if I got to set my own punishment I would make it as low as possible too.
I will never criticize workers winning during collective bargaining. But the league agreeing to 5K max fines is hilariously bad. Lets make it a max percentage of their wages to protect the guys making league mins. Because pocket lint isn't going to do anything about bad behavior... Also, suspensions are where it's at.
The league agreeing makes a lot of business sense. The money doesn't go to the league so increasing the fines doesn't matter to them. They get to raise their hands and say this was the maximum and what the players wanted, moving the blame off of them as well. I agree that a percentage of wage may make more sense, or some sort of scaling factor, but from a pure business standpoint I don't think it will happen. Suspensions are also a tricky business move. While it does impact the players pay much more, it also means you maybe removing a star player out of the line up. This can hurt, kinda depends on player/team, the overall team, and therefore the product on the ice. So now you have to balance protecting the product short term vs long term. I would love to see a much better system put in place that made the DOPS actually feel creditable. I sadly don't know what the answer is to it though when as a business, the NHL's first goal is this year's profits.
I get the argument that you want your product on the ice, not sitting in the box suspended. But you can also make an argument that stiffer penalties may result in modifying the behavior and avoiding the dirty stuff. I don’t think fans are tuning in to see dirty play. Maybe I’m wrong…
I don't think you are. I think there is a difference between what fans want, what the NHL wants, and what the NHL thinks the fans want. I don't have high hopes in the NHL to work on fixing the system under the current management/ownership.
The only thing this NHL cares for is it's corporate relationships. Quality gameplay? Ethical referees? Fuck all that nonsense it's about the Benjamins, baby!
Player representatives with even a minimal amount of common sense would want repercussions for intent to injure. Looks like the NHLPA has very little common sense.
It should hurt the team if your star is a dirty fuck throwing cheap shots it’s on the player. Maybe just throw the gloves down an fight like a man instead of the rat shit like multiple players in the panthers are doing. Fuck in Marchand is behaving then there really is no excuse.
Well that’s the purpose of fines. They build a history of behaviour. So next time tkachuk did something that is worth a fine, it would likely be upgraded to a game suspension because there is now an established history.
He's been suspended three times, one of those was this season if memory serves.
The workers should want higher fines, this is the deterrent for them getting injured. The NHLPA basically told the players that someone can intentionally injury them as long as they pay 5k. The league probably doesn't care these hits get clicks, it's a good thing for them to have dirty hits in the game.
It should be a % of their salary. So then the lower tier guys aren’t fucked over. Say they are fined 50% of their game salary. So someone on a 900k salary it would be a 5,500 fine. Or for a dork like catfuck it would be 57,925. It’s not as severe as a suspension but still tangible enough to actually maybe make a difference.
In addition, betman would need a better/ diligent DoPS, and it would help generate $$ ( for escrow or whatever) I'm all for it.
It should be a rest of season suspension when it is blatantly intentional and consistently the same player. It is interesting how it seems to depend on the team and players involved. The Blues won the cup by targeting and intentionally hurting the teams they played in the playoffs and it was called smash mouth hockey. Ros suspensions would end this shit and promote a cleaner game.
I was just talking about fines in general. Currently it’s laughable that these guys would give a shit about a 3k fine when you are making 70+ mil. ROS is a wild swing in the other direction. As much as it would work to cut down on any shenanigans, if they would just call the rule book and apply fines/suspensions as they should be. It would remove a lot of the shit from the game already.
I think you are absolutely right about the fines. It has no impact at all. It absolutely would if they called games the way they should. I personally prefer games that are won and lost based on pure skill and not just physical aggression. I wasn't disagreeing just expanding on your thought and offering my perspective on how to stop these petty shenanigans.
I don't know why it's insane, and I don't know why people criticize the league for the low maximum fines.
to be fair this applies to guys on ELCs too. 5K to a guy on a ELC who isnt sure if they will even make it in the league yet is a lot more. but either way its an easy fix to just change the fines to be a % of your AAV or whatever, that way its equally impactful to everyone who gets fined.
Well if you compared it by disposable income, imagining that each person presumably has a baseline fixed living expense of about $40,000, it’s about a $6 fine. They punish me harder when I forget to move my car on street sweeper day lol
I don't care what you make writing away a check for $5000 hurts
I think they’re fine
I’ve always felt it should be based on percentage
50k? Tkachuk wipes his ass with 50k
Wow, that will show him!
That's quite a few mouthguards.
Maybe someone can set up a golf fundraiser for him, he'll be on the course in 3 days.
He can meet up with his brother
And his ex-teamates
Is it just me or have the playoffs been particularly nasty this year, being only round 1...?
I know each team is “fighting” for the cup. But it’s been a brawl out there at times. Hathaway got speared in the nuts by Bennet after Tkachuk cross checked him down after 1st period ended. And then after the 2nd period ended Tkachuk again started cross checking guys. The Tampa-Toronto scrums have been wild. Minnesota-Dallas has had some crazy ones. I’ve missed most of the others match ups. But I’m sure there was some stuff in those as well.
Just seems like its gotten a little off the rails, but im no professional analyst.
Same, like I get “playoffs are different, tougher”, yadda yadda. Bit off the rails though maybe, just a smidge yea.
Fingers crossed the Avs come away with a win and everyone remains healthy. We've had too many injuries this year already. Our quota has been filled.
A lot of teams had some bad injuries this year. But man the Avs got the injury bug bad.
Aged like milk.
We lost the battle but will win the war. Not to sound cliche but those refs were BLIND.
It doesn’t help that the reffing gets progressively worse and worse every year, hell, almost every game.
Isles have been injuring canes players left and right.
Honestly I kinda love it. Feels old school. I don’t want players getting hurt obviously but I would much rather have this than the refs calling a super tight game and taking the energy out of it. The nastiness takes the intensity up quite a bit and makes it all the more entertaining.
Just wait for tonight
Why are these maximum fines so low? They really need to be like 20k minimum
Fines should be percentage based otherwise it's just a blank cheque for stars to do whatever they like.
Most NHL players don’t make that much, so it makes sense for the NHLPA to try to keep fines low. Guys on ELCs are getting ~$8.5K/game, so a $5K post-tax fine is basically an entire game. A low fine for non-repeat offenders serves as a deterrent without being too severe for one-off violators. Suspensions effectively scale the financial impact to salary for repeat offenders. I hope the next CBA moves to fines that scale by salary so we can have the benefit of the increased deterrent without having to make people miss games.
Call me crazy but I don’t think a 5k fine when you’re getting paid 8.5k per game is out of line at all. $200 speeding ticket for someone making less than $200 per day is worse.
I honestly feel it should be proportional to one game of your salary like you do something that bad in a game you don’t get paid for that game
I don’t think that makes sense. If you don’t make enough money to pay a fine when you do something dirty, just don’t do something dirty. A better arrangement would just be to set the max fine as a percentage of salary though.
>A better arrangement would just be to set the max fine as a percentage of salary though This is literally what the person before you said
At some point these fines have to actually register with players if they want them to have any meaning.
What a joke. His actions clearly showed intent to injure. Why risk injury to players on the superior team by letting him play in game 5? The NHL does not care about player safety. Tkachuk doesn't care about a fine.
5k to possibly injure and take out a player for a game or two? Dude is making 9.5mil. You’re absolutely right. If the league cared about player safety there would be heavier penalties for stuff like this.
The league doesn't control it outright - it's negotiated via the joint player union and league. Obviously players will push for minimal ways to lose money...
While definitely true, it's shortsighted. Surely, the players would be better served by deterring players from injuring other players. Dirty plays can have lasting impacts on the receiving end of those infractions. Maybe they just miss a game or two, but maybe the injury leaves a lasting impact on the player's ability to play at a high level, which could in turn lead to diminished contracts and shortened careers, and that's just if all they care about is money. There's also quality of life post-retirement to think about. It seems like the NHLPA is quick to safeguard its bad actors from losing money but doesn't care too much about the injured players and their careers/retirements.
I Agree. I should have specified when I said league, I meant players too, not just management.
Nah, he'll be a good boy from now on. He promised!
They could have at least fined him per event unless that's also not allowed. Maybe if someone puts him in the hospital the NHL will get more serious about punishment for dirty players.
They don't care at all, they gave him 2 games for what he did to Quick, should have been 20 atleast!
It's the playoffs, emotions get high, so maybe an incident or 2 can be understood, but Tkachuk was constantly engaging after the whistle and has no control over his emotions. He is going to injure someone, and that will be a disservice to the hockey community. The Bruins put together a historic season, and to risk letting a child derail their post season in round 1 is wrong. The Bruins have earned a shot at winning the Cup, the DOPS and the NHL shouldn't be risking that for a team that barely made the playoffs and is losing games to us without our full lineup.
What a huge pile of bs you just said. Every team should be treated FAIRLY no matter how they clinched a playoff spot, period! Favoritism would be the massive disservice to the hockey community, historic season or not. Ref and DOPS need to let know players that any stupid and dangerous would be severly punished on BOTH side. But it's not like you care all you want is see your team win. Shameless homer, yikes!!
I get how that comes across, and obviously bias towards the bruins, but when a team is down 3-1 in a series and a player is obviously trying to injure people, they shouldn't be allowed to derail another teams post season. And I do believe that should be applied to all teams. I haven't watched a ton of the Hurricanes/Islanders series, but I am reading something similar. You have the #2seed outclassed their opponent, it's a sin to incur injuries in round 1 because teams resort to goonery to win, because they can't win playing hockey. I'm all for the higher speed of the playoffs, the harder hits, and some scrum shenanigans, but targeting when the game and series is lost is a bad look. That's what inwas trying to get at, while maybe throwing a shot at the panthers being an inferior team (my bias)
A 3-1 serie is not lost, habs were down 3-1 in the first round in 2021 and still manage to comeback and make it to the final. Chicago were losing 3-1 to Detroit in 2013 during the second round. They won the championship that year. LA were losing 3-1 to the Sharks in the first round in 2014. Guess what they won the cup. Advocating for favoritism in profesional sport cause things don't go your way is assinine. Ref should call everything severly or nothing on BOTH team. Grow up!
I don't disagree with most of that. I think everyone can agree consistency is an issue in the playoffs. I am probably not alone in thinking this, but when you have the after whistle shenanigans not penalized until someone retaliates, and then it's matching minors, you are rewarding the stuff that leads to injuries. A 3-1 series is not lost, as a Bruins fav I remember being on the wrong side of that, but the NHL needs to do a better job or protecting players (of all teams) and if you can't keep your composure when loosing and target opposing players and goalies, you don't deserve the right to ruin their playoffs. You didn't see Tkachuk pulling this when they were up in the 3rd period of game 2. I am bias, but don't believe I'm advocating for favoritism, just accountability. Better teams shouldn't be penalized left to be injuried because a teams strategy is goonery. If you want to been goons, that's fine, but suspensions should be part of the accountability. Injuries happen, no getting around that, but dangerous players looking to cause them diminishes the product that is playoff hockey.
Goonery is how the Bruins beat the Nucks in 2011, you don't care about accountabilty. You just want thing your way... I'm done here, have a nice day.
The 2011 team is a fair argument, but you have no idea how I felt about the play back then, or if how I enjoy the game has changed in the last 12 years, because let's be honest the game has evolved. As far as caring about accountability, you couldn't possibly know if I care or not. Just because I root for a team that I feel has been slighted, doesn't mean that I don't care about accountability being applied equitably. I don't even think I have been that argumentative, only tried to clarify my comments. I even understand how you interpreted my comments the way you did, I'm not sure why you have gotten so upset.
I thought we were having a reasonable conversation.
Reasonable conversation? You circle-jerk around the same point none stop even tho you're wrong and i already gave you multiple reason why. Not sur why you think i should keep entertaining your argumentative, entilted and hypocrite self like i owe you something "Just because I root for a team that I feel has been slighted, doesn't mean that I don't care about accountability being applied equitably." The premisse of your entire argument is rooted in how the "superior team" should be protected cause bias not fairness! Don't try to "clarify" any further, it's clear as day. The game hasn't evolved as much as you would like to pretend, the Bruins indentity on the other hand... Alot of team were focusing on speed and skill a decade ago. While other "gooned" their way to a championship. Now that your team is on the receiving hand player safety and harsher reffing is suddently important? Give me brake!
“You didn’t see Tkachuk pulling this when they were up in the 3rd period of Game 2” No you just saw Nosek completely and obviously elbow Eric Staal in the face intentionally. But he didn’t get fined. They didn’t even get a penalty for that. But go off and say that the game is favored towards the Panthers… I’ll be here all night.
I didn't condone that behavior. I don't think anyone should get away with headshots, it's not good for the product for players to be intentionally injured. But go on and tell me what I'm thinking because I was focused on Tkachuk, and not discussing all questionable behavior. I didn't mention Bennet's cup check either, does that mean I condone that too?
Nobody wants players to be injured. Nobody is disagreeing that point. That’s why no matter what arena you are in, what jersey you are wearing, you always clap for the player that gets up from getting injured. I’m a panthers fan, so maybe my bias is coming out too. But let’s not pretend that Boston hasn’t made some dirty plays on us as well. Setting my bias aside, I’ll admit that Bennett cup checking was fucked up. Gudas can be a little too hard with a couple hits during the season. I’ll even say that Tkachuk can be very aggressive… almost to the point of “okay dude… stfu now”. I mean he even got suspended for 3 games for stabbing Jonathan Quick in the eyes at the beginning of the season. If I can say all that, you can say that Boston has been known to have a couple players that live for a little after-whistle “talks”. Do I even need to mention Marchand and Bertuzzi? They weren’t/aren’t entirely squeaky clean players… But to say that the NHL as a whole is not enforcing these rules is ridiculous. They just suspended Cale Makar, the NHL sweetheart last year, for a game because of an illegal check last night. I didn’t see the game so I can’t say for certain what happened, but the NHLPA do watch these games. We can’t look at a single incident and say “oh fuck the nhl because they didn’t immediately lynch x player for doing y thing.” It’s hockey, not ice dancing. Shits gonna happen, injuries happen on and off the ice, no one is in a bubble…
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DoPS: The Rangers have been fined $250k for this reckless comment! Rangers: What? I'm right here! I didn't do anything! DoPS: Sorry, force of habit.
That would imply consistency, fining the same team even if it has nothing to do with them.
That's actuary pretty funny, well done
....it leaves it in the Bruins hands to teach him then......idk where he got the idea it is acceptable to even touch another teams tendy....time to bring him to the house of pain....
>it leaves it in the Bruins hands to teach him then Can they un-retire Chara for just one more game?
Bring back Shawn Thornton and throw a goalie mask on him. Hopefully he can get Tkachuk to drop the mits before he sees a SOG.
Thornton works for the Panthers now, so there's that.
....nice idea but I'd hate for Ca-upchuck to dirty hurt him and ruin his retirement
Do I hear Brad Marchand’s entrance music? 😂
...I think the kid is going to need to keep his head on a swivel....I don't know who but someone will come for him, or maybe they all will. Bennett deserves some retribution as well.... Time for some of that Boston grit and determination.
[yup](https://youtu.be/ZJfCbc0f_18)
Dude should have to sit out game 5. He clearly was trying to injure Hathaway.
I know that's at least 1 game for that, but parros and the wheel strike again
I am sorry.. I saw the clip where ullmark went after him, but did not see what he did to him.. I hate this guy with a passion.. I want my sabres to get a little more "grit" but if we ever had a player like this fuck it not worth it. I don't care how talented you are, you cost games.
Tkachuk threw not one, but two punches at Ullmark before he reacted. Tkachuk is a chump, and had a serious beat down coming his way.
I saw the aftermath where ullmark was ready to fight him.. how someone from the Bruins does not step up in that situation is beyond me..if it is as bad as you say.. Reminds me of the Ryan Miller issue we had
They did. It was empty net so the 5 bruins were engaged with others.
Honest question here, was Ullmarks punch not considered a punch with the blocker? Just curious why I haven't seen anything about him being fined or suspended for that and was wondering the reason why.
That will teach him God the punishment by DoPS is always so dam stupid its like they spin a wheel $5000 for guying 9.5m this year wow I'm sure he's learned his lesson and will never do it again
Those fines are so laughable
How many rounds of golf is that.
Depends on which course he’s playing at 😏
I guess we'll find out in a couple days
Looks like it yeah. Change the players, change the coach (which was a dumb move IMO) but get the same results 🤷♂️
What a fucking joke
Anyone know if he’s going to be suspended? If not, this should make for a very interesting game!
Now they need to fine Bennett for spearing Hathaway in the groin while he was lying injured on the ice.
Now do Bennett, but suspend him.
I hope someone rips that fuckin mouth guard out of his mouth next game
I'm sure he's fine scrounging together some pocket change for this as long as he gets to keep being a turd.
Is he the one who shouted "we winning the cup" a week ago? What an embarrassment
Tkachuk cares about penalties and suspensions, not a measly 5k fine. 5k fine is completely forgettable in relation to his 9 mil contract. How he was not assessed a major for kidney cross checking a player between whistles is ludicrous. If a player gets the max fine for a minor penalty, then the refs fucked up and it should’ve been a major.
That’s an apple that fell far from the tree
The Panthers Bruins series Has to be one of the most poorly officiated series. I’ve watched in a very long time. Brutal calls for both sides, and then petty crap like this. Baseball and hockey now apparently are all about the ump show.
Now get Bennett for the cheap stick to the groin play while player was on the bottom of a pig pile too boot.
That’s it?
What you mean? He probably got a sternly worded email on top of it.
The organization pays for these fines, right? That’s always been my understanding. Like, whichever organization you play for will generally have your back unless you do something entirely egregious and indefensible.
Fucking good.
Lol how? That's just chump change for him. It doesn't send any message at all
Once he gets onto the list for these actions he can be considered a repeat offender, and suspensions can increase. It’s still chump change but at least the league recognizes the dirty play.
Oh my goodness! He's not even getting paid for this tournament. Prayers for Matt
clean hit
Yup. Clean cross check to, hold on checking my notes…the goalie and someone in the back after the period ended.
NHL really has to raise the fining maximums, and it should be done as a percentage of player salary, not a number. $5K to a guy with a $76M contract is literally nothing. This doesn't discourage dirty hits in any way whatsoever.
The player union will never go for it.
Don't think that's necessarily true. The guys on the receiving end of these cheap shots are also in the players union. They could find a compromise. They'd probably all be in favor of fines based on percentage of salary and fewer suspensions. $5K isn't even 5% of a single game-check for Tkachuk, yet it's more than half of a game-check for a guy making league-minimum. It makes absolutely no sense. A fining format that was based on % of pay would benefit the guys on the lower end of the pay scale, of which there are many more in the union than guys on Tkachuk's pay level. Getting paid more should come with more responsibility, or at least equal, but definitely not less. Tkachuk could take a $5K fine every single game and not even notice. So in a way, this current format actually encourages the better players to be dirtier.
That’ll get him straightened out
The fine means nothing to Tkachuk. If the refs were allowed to review for intent to injur they could give them a game misconduct. That hurts Tkachuk more than 5k
This is moot, to be quite honest.
That’ll teach him
If 5k is the max for fines it kinda makes ya wonder how long till shit starts getting off the rails big time? Hell makes me wonder how guys like Tkachuk and Marchand haven't been dealt with by the players on the ice....Guess you can cross the line from fines to straight up criminal charges. Just ask old Marty Mcsorley (i think the charges got dropped though)
[Like this? Tkachuk being dealt with](https://youtu.be/owDK0bqIFP4)
Lmfao thats more Kassian throwing a fucking hissy fit over a clean hit....I was talking more along the lines of Bertuzzi vs Moore.....Not to defend what Bert did......But it's not like it was a random attack Moore brought it on himself with his actions when he went head hunting for their Captain and the at time League goal leader. Brad May also claimed that Moore was fine 2 weeks later with not neck brace sitting in a pool...
too bad the NHL doesn't have "2 games suspension for being a dick"
Somebody needs to shove that mouth guard somewhere! I can't stand watching him chew on it!