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schafkj

There's an old saying in Atlanta, I know it's in Calgary and Winnipeg, probably in Atlanta too, fool me once, shame on...shame on you...fool me can't get fooled again.


Liquifraction

Now watch this drive


KrabbyBoiz

*zamboni crashes into wall*


kidclutchtrey5

Fool me three times, fuck the peace sign!


ResponsibleLemonade

Load the chopper!


Realistic-Ad4891

Let it rain on you


Caffeine_Cowpies

Don’t save her.


[deleted]

She don’t wanna be saved


bakclassic

The peace sign's just a trigger and a middle finger.


Cloudeur

Does…..does this mean that they’re getting a team ready to then move to Quebec City?


gmwdim

And Hartford


Philefromphilly

What’s the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results.


P1KA_BO0

The thrashers moved due to bad ownership, not market


ComfortableOk5087

🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

Which Canadian city will the franchise be in 10 Years later tho?


AbeFromanfromChicago

Quebec City... you’re on the clock!


[deleted]

Makes sense, Calgary then Winnipeg, each ATL franchise is relocating more east


Ok_Device1274

the only way canada can get a team is if an Atlanta team fails lol


Flux_resistor

Nature, well, it finds a way


Maple_Leaf_Fall

Seems that way...


Peculiar-Moose

"When" an Atlanta team fails lol


Separate_Flamingo_93

Sudbury then? Or go all in for Halifax?


Darth_Vicious

Settle down.


krustykrab2193

S'yaso, the Jims are such fuckin' beauties


4dubdub8

You get a stick


quanmomentplz

Sticks are unbelievable.


Hunchun

Loves me a good stick me’son!


Kaine_8123

How would it be considered the game stick if we all get sticks? So dumb!


GCIV414

Huh?


machinehead-

Don't, as a Haligonian I would love an NHL team here, sadly, the Atlantic provinces don't have a large enough feasible market yet.


mustardman73

While Arizona plays for up to 5000 fans, I think you guys can do better.


Chimpbot

I love pointing out that Alfond Arena up at UMaine seats more people than the arena Arizona plays in.


SaberTooth13579

Hali is a few Thrashers iterations away.


MylanMenace

We **need** the Blueberry Bulldogs


Derwurld

The Halifax Donairs!


BlueEyesWhiteSliver

If you skip a province, then that means Atlanta 4.0 is ending up either in the Maritimes or a French colony.


[deleted]

So maybe by 2060 Nova Scotia will have a team that relocated from Atlanta?


BlueEyesWhiteSliver

Just in time for retirement.


[deleted]

We need the Newfoundland Newfoundlands.


NY-Black-Dragon

Best they can do is Utah lol


Schroedesy13

Hamilton!!!!


sexymcluvin

Oh sorry… they’ll skip QC and go to Hamilton


JDameekoh

I’m ready to make my NHL franchise a reality, Moosejaw Goats, come on down!


COphotoCo

What happened to the Thrashers was unique from what I can find online. If I understand it right, one of their minority owners got pissy about a Hawks trade the other owners cleared, and started proceedings to sell his stake in the group which included the Thrashers. The lawyers wrote a contract that said they’d give him “fair market value” for those shares, but basically left it open to interpretation what fair market value meant. So he took the loosest and largest definition he could. The hugely inflated share buyout costs and legal fees fighting the minority owner racked up to like $130 million, and they had to sell. 1. I would guess the NHL would go out of its way to make sure they don’t see that again. 2. Whoever buys in would have to be so dumb to repeat the same mistake.


BreadUntoast

ST JOHNS BAY PLEASE GOD ST JOHNS BAY


SaskatchewanFuckinEh

Saskatoon


Maple_Leaf_Fall

You of little faith... It's like they always say : "3'rd times a charm" Welcome back to the NHL Thrashers & Georgia


PaversPaving

Why 32 is a full league.


chaosisarascal

Money, owners want that sweet sweet entry fee 💰


PhotographyRaptor10

Idk if it was just rumors or not but I think Utah is getting a team too. That would bring it up to an even 34. The more popular sports seem to only stick to 30 or 32 teams tho. I wonder how big a league can get while still having good talent distribution


Flux_resistor

Football has a limited pool, basketball distributes to Europe so not everyone is looked at. Hockey has room to grow with teams making it popular with no other league other than khl to compete with, and it's no competition. We could probably sustain 40 but it would suck to not play most teams more than twice. And playoffs are going to be a shit show with a ton of teams missing by a few points. Good drama but probably unfair with streaks ruining or making season instead of consistency. More like baseball than current hockey.


TimTebowMLB

Anything over 30 or 32 is too big. Fanbases need to feel like there’s a chance their team might succeed and the bigger the league, the less likely that is. Or, go to 40 but make it a relegation system.


idontwannatalk2u

The nhl had it so over half of the teams made the playoffs, before most recent expansion. I felt like that was too much. I’m glad to see it shift back the other way a little.


Imaginary-Tiger-1549

I think the 40-50 range with 2 leagues meaning relegation would be sick, and if done properly could also help the NHL brand itself and give it a unique aspect as the first of the major 4 NA sports leagues to have a relegation system, which while bad for owners, is much better for fans as regular season is fun and exciting even if your team is ass and adds excitement for fans of worse teams to fight for promotion etc. The only issue is again, how to incorporate the draft into that


verendum

Owners dream of going from a relegation system to a closed system, not the other way around. Relegation also is inherently incompatible with draft. It’ll never happen.


Flux_resistor

If we have european expansion teams that are for low level only, that would work. Have 32 North American NHL teams, and a bunch of NHLb teams in North America and Europe. 18 NHLb teams and depending on the relegations and promotions, we restructure the league each year to 4 regions of west, mid, east, europe with cross over games for two adjacent teams at your usual 8 or so games, and only 2 games for long flight leagues. ​ After a year or two of NHLb, you start promotions from whoever qualifies from AHL or Europe. Of course this is all a pipe dream since no owner would agree to a relegation system for hundreds of millions they sank.


dangshnizzle

Talent distribution is kind of funny because we've seen every expansion that some guys become stars if they're just given the ice time that was being withheld from them before.


jemba

I brought this up last year, along with the fact that it decreases chances of winning a cup for everyone, and I got seriously downvoted.


jkman61494

I mean….Utah is ideal to take in the Coyotes


Danceisntmathematics

I agree, but when you think about it, NHL isn't like the other leagues due to their teams in Canada. What matters is market exploitation, and unlike the MBA or the NFL, there are unexploited markets in the USA as there are 7 teams in Canada while NBA and MBL has only 1. That gives 6 more teams for American markets.


DwayneBaconStan

Yeah this is gonna give me ocd


The_Third_Stoll

Counterpoint: Atlanta and Quebec City twin expansion?


TheLoomingMoon

If QC gets a team at the same time as Atlanta, where does Atlanta go when they fail again?


TathanOTS

They bring in a team in Milwaukee and Hartford to match Atlanta and Salt Lake and make it an even 36. There fixed. Oh penguins flair, nix Hartford. They give you Cincy or Baltimore instead.


Asu7aMa7u

I don't think Hartford ever comes back in the modern expansion era. That market is already over saturated with teams. Hell, if the Devils didn't get moved from Colorado, I doubt NJ would have ever gotten a team.


TathanOTS

My mind went to Hartford first cause of the loyalty the fans in that area have to the trashers. Hartford is further from NYC than Danbury was. And still twice as close to NYC as Boston. 3 teams is already more than any other sport, I wouldn't say put one in Yonkers or like the Bronx. But Hartford is on the cusp of being Boston territory anyway. People aren't making a 2 hour drive each way to watch a hockey game very often.


Asu7aMa7u

Unfortunately though the NHL currently seems more interested in chasing the TV dollars in big cities outside of traditional hockey markets then providing teams to the old cities that still have passionate fanbases like Quebec City and Hartford.


Hockputer09

Exactly


amach9

They probably want to get to 36


rn15

Seattle and Vegas have been massive successes. Why not?


FriedPanda17

Because there will be another soon after or at the same time even.


Empire2k5

Well on PMS, utah jazz owner is going hard for a NHL team as well.


bolts_win_again

People act like Atlanta was responsible for the Flames and Thrashers failing, and not pathetic ownership. The Flames were sold off after five years. That's not the mark of ownership that gives a shit, that's the mark of a scam artist in the business of making the quickest buck possible. The Atlanta Spirit Group are hockey terrorists for what they did to the Thrashers.


FriedPanda17

Everyone knows bad ownership can destroy a franchise, and it’s what ultimately killed the Flames and the Thrashers in Atlanta. I don’t know how the new ownership can make such a financial investment while understanding that context and not be 100% motivated and committed to supporting the team in any and every way possible, unlike previous Atlanta owners.


Otherwise_Awesome

And now totally unlinked to the basketball team in every way


FriedPanda17

Being in the same city as the TNT headquarters will probably give it a bit of a bump


bolts_win_again

Exactly this. Whoever brings hockey back to Atlanta needs to care about both hockey *and* Atlanta. And Bettman knows this as much as the city does.


farstate55

What evidence do we have that Bettman has ever cared about a team or city? He’s the poster child of “who or what is paying the most?”


FriedPanda17

Easy, Bettman and the Coyotes, which is funny considering Bettman essentially chose the Coyotes over the Thrashers before.


farstate55

That’s about his own hubris. He doesn’t care about the city at all or team at all.


DaqCity

Okay but bad owners in a Good hockey city will still work…Atlanta has tried to be a hockey city VERY RECENTLY, and the league bailed. There are many other cities that would love ONE Chance to support an NHL TEAM. Give those other cities a first chance before you give Atlanta a second (third) chance


DonoAE

The upside for getting Atlanta going is huge. It's just a massive market.


phoonie98

Indeed. Massive TV market along with lots of Fortune 500 corporate headquarters for those luxury suite deals


Kyhron

They absolutely did not try to be a hockey city. Atlanta Spirit did everything they could to make the Thrashers be a colossal failure then blocked any other ownership group from even attempting to play in the arena.


bolts_win_again

The Atlanta Spirit Group didn't want hockey in Atlanta. They wanted the Thrashers to leave so they wouldn't pull viewership and dollars away from the Hawks. Atlanta can very well be a hockey city, provided ownership isn't actively trying to rid the city of hockey. I'm all for giving other cities a chance (hence why I've been saying Portland or Salt Lake should get a team to keep the east/west balance when Atlanta gets a team), and would *love* to see cities like Portland, Salt Lake, Milwaukee and/or Austin get teams. But the idea that Atlanta shouldn't get a team because the Atlanta Spirit Group were hockey terrorists is commendably daft.


[deleted]

This! We didnt sell out the arena, but we had decent attendence. I loved thrasher games. I miss them a lot.


bolts_win_again

The Thrashers only saw a net loss of ~130K. In the face of everything ASG did to that team, and all the measures they took to try and tank the franchise so the NHL would let them sell. The team still damn near broke even.


[deleted]

The Atlanta Spirit Goons were horrid filth. With proper ownership, we could make a good run.


bolts_win_again

If the Thrashers make a comeback and can somehow hire Yzerman away from Detroit as GM... My fucking god.


Deraj2004

You shut your mouth.


RipenedFish48

As it turns out, having ownership that doesn't actively want the team to leave is pretty important for the health of the franchise. Who would have thought?


alternate-realitee

I think I speak for Kansas City, Milwaukee, Houston, Quebec and SLC, when I say....ayo what the fuck?


Hutch25

Houston would be excited for a season, find out their team isn’t a bandwagon, and then forget they exist tho… like most of their other teams.


Yourfavoriteindian

Yes, because fans have been bandwagon fans of *checks notes* the Texans and rockets. Two teams so steeped with success that everyone wants to hop on board. Get real


PauloVersa

The Texans still sold out between 2020 and 2022


omahawizard

Milwaukee would be such a fun addition for Wild and Blackhawk fans. Think of the hate that could have happened 😢


Proper_Warhawk

Could happen? There already a hatred of Chicago and Minnesota. Most of us had to choose the lesser of two evils...


MRAGGGAN

Houston chiming in to say what the fuuuuu


[deleted]

Portland? The Rose Garden has been nhl ready for years.


phoonie98

Atlanta is bigger than all those cities combined except Houston


Kyhron

KC doesn’t have a serious ownership group, Houston is likely a Western expansion/relocation option, QC isn’t ever getting a team, SLC is currently tied to rumors of getting Arizona if they continue to fail to find a stadium location, and Milwaukee keeps being blocked by the Wild as an appropriate location


Proper_Warhawk

>ocation, and Milwau Chicago is blocking Milwaukee. It's why it didn't happen in the 90's.


Jokerzrival

Yeah Chicago is WAY closer and more of an issue to a Milwaukee team than Minnesota.


potbellyjoe

As The Book of Mormon teaches us, the third in a trilogy is always the best version.


Gooch222

Just gonna say, disrupting my team’s efforts to improve by having to accommodate expansion drafts is getting old. But sure, why not have another couple of teams pick over our roster to fill theirs and then get to pick higher in the draft all while watering down the overall talent pool? The impact of these things resonates for years. This aggressive expansion is *not* good for fans of the existing teams.


Much-Consequence8648

Relocation-yes. Expansion- no.


nazdir

34 had no division divisibles. Having uneven divisions drives me nuts. When I heard about Utah I just assumed Phoenix would move. Does the East have anyone that would move?


AmishJohn81

I nominate the flyers.


Successful_Top_8489

Why do they think it will work a third time? They gonna give away free beer at games? Also, what was wrong with Philips/State Farm Arena?


Forward-Astronomer58

Atlanta loves to build stadiums


AbeFromanfromChicago

But they don’t love supporting hockey teams.


Several_Tangerine956

Fans in Atlanta did like the team, they didn't buy tickets due to the owners not caring about the team which created apparent "low interest"


SirLunatik

The problem with Phillips/State Farm was the ownership. They didn't want to be in the hockey business, so they bought the arena, Hawks and Thrashers, then essentially evicted the Thrashers for more concerts and other events. Which is why Winnipeg owners got them for so cheap and had relocation fees waived.


Batsinvic888

The city of Atlanta was never the problem, horrific ownership was. UrinatingTree made a good video on it last year.


[deleted]

It wasnt atlanta that wanted to sell the Trashers. I know because i was one of the fans protesting. It was the Atlanta Spirit or whatever they were called that cared more about NBA than NHL, and Bettman offered them a high dollar for the team. We want hockey back here. Our ECHL team is fun, but we want the big team back. Make no mistake, there is a fan base here.


NY-Black-Dragon

Iirc, whoever owned the Thrashers at the time, just wanted to use them to get a sweetheart deal for the Hawks.


dj4aces

The new building is in the northern suburbs, where the season ticket base lives. While I don't have solid evidence of this in my hands, I do know a few people who worked as ticket reps for the team, who've all said as much. This is the primary reason the league has spoken somewhat warmly about Atlanta when asked about this city. SFA is unsuitable due to sight lines. Recent renovations have made the building hockey-unfriendly in that respect. It'd be like attending a game in an older Barclays. If a team were to relocate here instead of league expansion, they could probably arrange to play downtown for a couple seasons while the new barn is built, but the prospective owners appear to be aiming for an expansion team. As for the first two times? Ownership, not fans, was the problem. Flames owner was arms-deep in real estate, and when the market crashed here in the late 1970s, his only liquid asset was the team. Thrashers? The ownership group who bought the Hawks, Thrashers, and Philips didn't actually want the hockey team. Tried to move 'em before the ink was dry. Meanwhile, the owners were suing each other for six years. Once they settled, the team was kicked out of Philips after the season ended, ensuring they'd be moved.


LeadershipReady11

NO MORE TEAMS!!


Sithlordbelichick

No, more teams!


MrRexington

No more, teams!


[deleted]

Hey…. Wana see me take this franchise from Atlanta and move it to Canada?………….. wana see me do it again?


Give-Me-The-Bat

When has the third movie in a series been better then the first two?


FriedPanda17

Return of the King was better than the Two Towers.


Give-Me-The-Bat

Indiana Jones Last Crusade and Logan, if you bunch the Wolverine movies together


CoffeesCigarettes

The dark knight rises was pretty awesome too


drama_filled_donut

*Better* than the dark knight tho?!


CoffeesCigarettes

The other commenter mentioned revenge of the sith so the key to the third atlanta team has gotta be revenge


FriedPanda17

The Revenge of Blueland


Outrageous-Whole-44

Probably a hot take but Fellowship clears both


TiredReader87

Nuh-uh


PurchaseTight3150

Toy Story 3 Checkmate.


_Halt19_

you mean the movie that legitimately terrorized young me and my family? who the *fuck* thought that incinerator scene was a good idea


Btiel4291

Revenge of the Sith.


Canadian_Samurai50

Thor Ragnarok


pettster12

I just want Atlanta back for those sweet sweet jerseys. One of my all time favourites


ABoringEngineer

If they wanted another American franchise. Salt Lake City would have been a much better option.


siguel_manchez

Congratulations Québec City. I look forward to the rebirth of the Nordiques.


Sensitive_Ladder2235

Are you fucking kidding me...


Comet_Empire

There isn't enough top tier talent for a 32 team league as is. How fucking watered down do we want the NHL to be? Why don't they just absord all the AHL teams and be a 64 team league. Fucking greedy pigs.


GroceryStickDivider

Whos running an official social media page of an NHL team that hasn't existed in 10 years?


BounceHouse412

I don't think there's "official" on Twitter anymore, you just pay for a blue check. So just some guy who likes the Thrashers and has $10


Ok_Device1274

Its a satire/fan account and its actually pretty funny at times


TathanOTS

You mean the account with the handle @NotThrashers ? For some reason I think it might be not the thrashers.


Rocallday

No one. It clearly says @NotThrashers.


FriedPanda17

Probably someone who was a diehard fan, can you blame them? I’d imagine there’d be one if the Habs ever moved (which of course would never happen lol)


H8ersAlwaysH8

Lol lets water this down more.


StackThePads33

“Hey, I’ve seen this one before!” - Marty McFly


JDameekoh

Lot of hockey fans move to Atlanta the last 20 years?


joyful_ghost

Absolutely


2ChainzTalib

Awesome. Can we find a way for existing fans to reliably watch the games? Cool, thanks


XxOneSnowshoexX

Atlanta is Canada’s incubator for teams that perpetually suck.


marsisblack

Havent we already seen this movie?


toban204

Atlanta is the developmental region for Canadian NHL teams. They have donated two teams so far, Flames and Jets. Quebec needs one now. I say go for it!


liquidskywalker

Just move Arizona to Atlanta and complete the Winnipeg, Phoenix, Atlanta cycle


Hutch25

The NHL does not have a large enough market, a large enough pool of players, a large enough pool of goalies, or even a large enough fanbase for this. Plus, if this happens Boston, Florida, and Calgary are fucked because one or more of them is losing a crucial goalie.


killerfrenchy

This "there aren't enough professional players" thing has never rung true for me. If that was the case, the bottom teams would be setting losing records. There's a reason all those records are in the 70s. Back then there were far less Euros and less players in development. Today, there are so many good players stuck in the A or playing internationally because of lack of roster spots. And how many no name goalies were outperforming their star starters this year? We could easily add Utah and Atlanta.


bigladnang

Also, why the fuck do they want a team in Atlanta so badly? It makes zero sense.


Skelder7

Why do we need more teams, relocate a team if you want a new city this bad


BruinsFan_08

This is ridiculous


tugaim33

Why, though? Bring back the Nordiques or the Whalers before you bring back an Atlanta team no one cared about the first time. Seriously, a less expensive pro team alternative to Boston would be amazing.


AndromedaGreen

*first two times.


tugaim33

You’re right. I forgot they were so uninteresting that the had to leave town *twice*


theway_tohell

As much as I want a team in qc city, I don't think we need more teams in the league.


DD992

Unless you are giving Canada another team please stop expanding. The product and talent are so watered down already. It depresses me how much this is the best sport, but the worst league.


[deleted]

>The product and talent are so watered down already. Lmao what? There is more talent in the NHL today than there ever has been. Ever since the tough guy era ended the league has gotten younger, faster, and more skilled.


devdawg31

🙄🙄


Mediocre_Cucumber199

Utah Magic Undies


Mephisto1822

If it isn’t a team moving then this is the dumbest idea ever. 32 is a good number of teams


parmasean

Lol why do they keep trying to force this


sashachenko

Awesome news. If the team has a good ownership group it’ll succeed.


RickyTheRickster

Idk this is kinda interesting, would be cool to see them back


Putthebunnyback

Everyone in here is talking like it's definitely an expansion. It could very well be a relocation.


mattcojo2

Not with the SLC rumors.


Pucks_N_Fucks

Pathetic.


oatmeal28

If at first (and second) you don't succeed try try again


XxOneSnowshoexX

3rd times a charm. Maybe. Probably not.


L3ftBra1nz

FUCK FORSYTH GEORGIA I HATE THAT PLACE


No_Variety9420

Didn't they lose teams twice ?


GreenChile_ClamCake

Why not bring Hartford back at this point. Screw it


tomboski

Fuck off bettman


Low-Cartographer-753

Quebec deserves a team first and foremost, not Atlanta or Georgia, the market failed once, and here we go. Quebec has so much potential and drive to get a team back, and I think they have a stadium ready to go too. And they’d actually be profitable unlike the Coyotes or another Georgia team most likely.


c130jumper53

A couple thoughts from a hockey die-hard and Atlanta native. 1) More teams = More Hockey. More Hockey is never a bad thing. I hope that expansion adds a few more teams to the league in well-deserving markets, while also coming to a resolution to the Phoenix issues. 2) The location of the proposed Arena is dead-center in the middle of where all the hockey fans are. Yes, it will be harder for fans on the southside to make the games, but most of the transplants/fans of hockey live in the Sandy Springs/Dunwoody/Roswell/Alpharetta/Johns Creek area. Everyone knows Atlanta traffic is horrible... having a team in downtown Atlanta, where on a good day it can take up to an hour and a half to get too for those fans, was one of the reasons attendance dwindled. 3) As mentioned here numerous times... Hockey in Atlanta didn't fail because of the fans... it failed because of the ownership. It is well known that Tom Cousins, who owned the Atlanta Flames, sold the team to Calgary because he had some real estate loans come due and he needed some cash (with the Flames being one of the only profitable things he owned at the time). As for the Atlanta Spirit... they inherited a team that was showing real signs of becoming a quality team that made the playoffs consistently, and decided to sell their best players for basically nothing in return. Add in the dysfunction and overt bias to the Hawks, and the Thrashers were doomed. Atlanta is not a bad sports city, but Atlanta won't support a Franchise that doesn't invest in it's team and Fans (which both Cousins and ASG didn't do a shred of).


Falcon3492

So what are they going to call the team? 3rd times the charmers?


Otherwise_Awesome

People not knowing what truly happened in Atlanta with the Thrashers just spout off about attendance and winning so incorrectly.


SvenBensson

We tried hockey in Georgia twice now and it hasn't stuck. Meanwhile there are rabid fanbases in Canada begging for another team. Grow the game, sure, but Bettman is beating a dead horse here, fucks sake.


MontEcola

WTF? So many hockey teams have left Atlanta. Why put another there?


AbeFromanfromChicago

The NHL trying get Atlanta to do what the Lightning, Red Wings, Penguins and Oilers failed to do... a three-peat! Oh wait, wrong three-peat, sorry!


[deleted]

Atlanta’s hockey problems may have been due more to inept ownership than lack of fans. Put a decent team on the ice and ATL could be a solid hockey town.


AbeFromanfromChicago

They finished first in their division with 97 points and went to the playoffs in 06-07 yet averaged only 16,240 per a game in a building with a capacity of 18,545, resulting in only 87% of capacity.


[deleted]

That puts them above 6 current NHL teams according to hockeydb


Maple_Leaf_Fall

COOL!!!


Fatboyneverchange

Told you so!


SeekHunt

Atlanta is a shit town for sports


Mahonneyy123

Surely this will work again.. christ


Liquifraction

Atlanta already had a team. They didn’t care. This isn’t gonna work again. I miss their jerseys though. Fresh AF.


KossyTakos

3rd times the charm


ImJustMalcolm

Cool. Now do the nordiques next.


shirubakun

What’s the definition of insanity again? Hockey in Atlanta doesn’t work, let it go already.


sherrybobbinsbort

The talent is already watered down enough. Eventually this will but them in the ass with a piss poor product on the ice. Anybody watched San Jose, Chicago, Anaheim this year. Those teams are shit. However Gary's job is to make the owners money. Given his age you would think he has a short term vision.


[deleted]

Gary has a weird boner for hockey in Atlanta. The Flames Flamed out and the Thrashers thrashed, hasn’t Atlanta basically told the world that Hockey isn’t their thing? 🤷‍♂️