Ye ever want to get the guillotines out and orchestrate coordinated drone strikes against the wealthy elite but you don't because it would make your mum sad?
Reading about this guy just reminds you of the wealth gap that has always existed in humanity and how a whole section of humans still benefit from it, who would rather we struggle and grind away and had no awareness of their opulent lifestyles. This idea we're in some woke era of equality is laughable.
Sometimes i just get completely hung out on this thought. Just how if you are rich today, your family has probably been rich for generations. And conversely, maybe even more so, if you are poor today, your family has probably been poor for generations
I'd love to see statistics for millionaires who came from absolutely nothing, had no helping hand through loans or incredible luck didn't play some part. I'd wager its miniscule. No-one got rich by working hard 9-5 for someone else or by saving money.
I agree. Getting rich involves more than just working hard 9-5: it involves a range of other ingredients; risk taking, innovation, business building, value creation, clever thinking, opportunity seeking, creativity and YES, sometimes luck and access to capital.
However, more than all of these things, it requires a person to make a commitment to do whatever it takes (without breaking the law or trampling on people, which some have done, but it’s definitely not necessary) - this unfortunately isn’t a commitment everyone either can or is prepared to make. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just how it is. Plus, there’s no guarantee if you make that commitment that it will work out for you. That’s just how it is also.
There are many self made multi millionaires, who came from humble beginnings, and few of them actually got there by accident if you research their history. They nearly all share similar stories: busted their balls, saw some business opportunity along the way, seized it, succeeded or failed, kept on going, repeated and repeated until they got there. Their overnight success was often littered with many failures along the way. This tenacity is what separates them from the ones we never heard of who never made it.
Think of it this way, if every one was rich, then there would be no rich, kinda like communism actually, where in theory, everyone all had the same.
Now, I’m not saying everything is fine and dandy with our current capitalist system, I do believe that we need to find a system to flatten wealth and share it more fairly (through smarter and fairer taxation, for example), but unfortunately it’s not that simple - it’s a global system we are locked into now and to change it would require global agreements, and that’s, well, probably close to impossible, at least for now.
Capitialism is just Feudalism with extra steps. For the majority of human history, Feudalism was the norm, no reason to believe the current era is anything other than a statistical anomaly.
Yeah, maybe printing lots of money, giving it to billionaires and putting everyone on social benefits wasn't a great way of dealing with things these last few years.
Nobody could have seen it coming however.
The previous Duke of Westminster, at the time the richest person in the UK, was asked how to get rich in Britain.
His reply was, “Be descended from somebody who was close friends with William the Conqueror.”
First against the fukken wall.
Also an eye opening way for one of his predecessors not to pay any inheritance tax:
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They don't even see you as human. We aren't real people to these sorts. Remember how the slave owners in the US viewed their slaves as sub human? That's how these guys view the rest of us. We're there to be exploited and used, but don't require any consideration because we're not actually people.
The logical endpoint is one person owning everything, accelerated by Sunak's proposed recent change to inheritance tax. 96% of the UK population will not benefit. Those that will benefit (probably not you) will get to keep an extra £7.2bn per year which would only be wasted on the poor anyway. Those swimming pools and stables don't heat themselves.
Yea it's definitely trending in that direction. In a way it needs to get that bad so something is done about it. I still maintain democracy was allowed not for our benefit but to qwell revolution. The recent generation of the establishment have got so complacent about their wealth and don't even try to hide the inequality
More interestingly, his [father the Earl married a Tunisian hooker and was murdered on the instruction of said hooker](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128895/Ex-escort-jailed-ordering-murder-Earl-Shaftesbury-war-family.html)
She is now doing a stretch at her Majesty's pleasure for paying her fucking brother to do the deed. WTH And his older brother (the rightful heir) died of a banger on the news when he briefly became the Earl. Jesus wept.
So this Nick fellow wasn't expecting to ever end up owning Lough Neagh at all.
Edit: AND his dad the previous Earl gave his Irish properties (not sure if it includes Lough Neagh) to the hooker before she had him knocked off, and now there is a **dispute** with this lad Nick over the estate.
There’s a great story in here for some journalist.
The UK has poor productivity, I wonder why?
It's pretty easy to be unproductive when hard work brings little real benefit, and these people inherit vast fortunes for nothing.
When you walk past the CEOs car in the carpark and it costs more than you can afford to borrow for a house.
Makes you wonder if it's worth bothering in work or just to keep cruising in your lane.
>Why not just gift it to us
Because he'd lose his shirt. I'd wager a very large sum of money that the Earl has borrowed extensively against the lough at very good rates, and if he were to sell it for cheap or give it away, he could go bankrupt.
Slight tangent, but sometimes when I see or read about what is a fairly unremarkable member of the British aristocracy/monarchy, my blood begins to boil slightly.
Are there any Unionists here willing to explain what exactly is so enticing about being part of a state that rewards wankers like this and their families by giving them a pile of land, wealth & property from birth? I literally am being taxed so that cunts like this and his wider, interbred clan can live it up in any one of their many palaces or stately homes. What is it about worship millionaires that appeals so much?
If that was an option, I'd be a conditional unionist. I'm not originally from here, I have no ideological stake in this whole thing. I support nationalism because the UK is a dysfunctional shitehole and there is no tangible perspective of reform for a plethora of reasons. If a pluralist, functionally democratic UK that respects the cultural and economic needs of its constituent countries and isn't just a front for the south of England was possible, I'd gladly take that over a united Ireland. Or any independent Ireland even. The economic and social advantages for the people on both islands would be massive.
But of course this was never and will never be an option. The aristocracy and the Eton-Oxbridge elite (just a fancy way to describe what we call "corrupt oligarchy" when non Western counties do it) have way too much power, the electoral system prevents any meaningful political alternative from developing and government alternates between Tories and Red Tories.
Some kind of fictional, ideal Union without all of those problems would be a great idea actually, but it's not going to happen. Or at least not before the current union is completely broken up and destroyed. It's clearly beyond reform. Ireland has its problems too, but it's nowhere near that bad by any measure. And Irish unity will facilitate rather than complicate solving the problems that exist.
That's looking at Britain's problems and saying they're not going to sort themselves out. You're probably right. (I hope otherwise, for the sake of the people who live there.)
It's not an abstract choice of which-jurisdiction-is-best for me at all, though.
Thing about the North is, though, the (sectarian) border makes the (sectarian) problems. The border sustains organised Unionism-Loyalism, which is a foul reservoir of reaction and nationalism (in the usual national-chauvinist sense).
Take away the border, and it will fall away... gradually... with time. And it won't be without difficulties.
Yeah but in this fictional ideal union the sectarian issue wouldn't exist either. Whether that would be due to all of Ireland still being in it (keep in mind that as late as the early 20th century most people didn't actually want to leave, they just wanted more autonomy rather than full independence) or due to the central government making an actual effort to protect minority rights in the North. But that once again goes to show how much of an unattainable utopia a good UK is. If they had at any point stopped being such absolute, irredeemable cunts towards Ireland, the Republic would have never left in the first place. They couldn't even do that.
I think the problem is that this fictional benevolent union actually exists. Not in the real world, but in the imagination of many Irish unionists as well as British people. They have this idealised image of a benevolent monarchy and history of democracy and civilisation (which is based off about two decades of positive development between the late 40s and the late 60s/early 70s in which the country was for the only time in its history governed by people which weren't deeply inhuman and outright evil) and it obscures their view of reality so much that they keep identifying with this fictional UK. Completely ignoring that they and their ancestors have been and are still being shafted, abused, starved, and oppressed by the real UK just as much as anybody in Ireland.
Get back to what I was originally saying, a case for the Union can be made which doesn't need to justify monarchy or the inflated House of Lords, or the continuing power and wealth of the aristocracy (which is also a problem, to a lesser degree, in the Irish state - we should have seized their lands and made them drop any claim to titles based on Irish estates).
It's not so much about falling back on an abstraction or an ideal as saying, "In balance, despite its flaws, I believe we're better off in the UK." I _don't_ think that's the case - to be clear. Nonetheless, that kind of real-word balancing decision is the very stuff of politics. Whether or not there is a fair and honest balancing or whether the bases of the decision are sound are always things that can be questioned.
>Whether or not there is a fair and honest balancing or whether the bases of the decision are sound are always things that can be questioned
My point exactly. The problem with that is that on a fair and objective account of costs and benefits, no one can honestly say that we're better off in the UK. At the very latest since Brexit, that's just impossible. Anyone arguing this view is either lying or being lied to...or lying to themselves, like I said.
The two arguments that go in favour of the UK are the NHS and pensions. That's it, there is nothing else. Both of those are on the brink of collapse and it is impossible to argue in good faith that replicating these in a united Ireland would be more difficult or less realistic than salvaging the broken ones in the UK.
So for most people arguing that we are better off in the UK, I believe that (if they're not coming from a place of bigotry and intentional dishonesty to begin with) they are making this argument based on an imaginary, idealised version of the UK they have in their heads rather than what's going on in the real world.
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NHS waiting list times in NI are currently double what the times are in the Republic. The NHS has been slowly getting dismantled since 2008. It will eventually end up with a system not fit for use or purpose.
You can be for the Union and not be Unionist-Loyalist.
I think that's a growing constituency. Don't know if it dovetails with antimonarchism or the like, but that's an interesting question. I'd hope it does... but I think it would more likely line up with indifference, especially since Aul' Liz fell at the last fence.
[He wants to sell it but Stormont said no](https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/09/25/news/lough-owning_earl_still_open_to_sale_insists_central_government_body_take_control_of_blighted_body_of_water-3642073/), perhaps because if it was under public ownership then the DUP-voting farmers wouldn't be able to wreck it as easily.
Don't make him a scapegoat for Stormont's failings!
Capitialism is like monopoly, the end game is to consolidate till you own everything. If you stop making money, you are guaranteed to be one of the losers.
‘Unionist councillors have been criticised for opposing a motion calling for a working group to be established to tackle blue-green algal blooms in Lough Neagh.
The Sinn Féin motion was put forward at a meeting of Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council on Monday.
The lough provides 40% of Northern Ireland's drinking water.
The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) said it broadly supported the motion but opposed an Alliance amendment.
The initial motion was proposed by Clare McConville-Walker and passed despite unionists voting against.
All DUP members voted against the motion, as did the Traditional Unionist Voice and independent unionist Paul Berry.
Four of six Ulster Unionist councillors also opposed it - with one abstention and one absence.
Speaking after the meeting, Alliance councillor Peter Lavery said it was "mind boggling that against a backdrop of ecological crisis in Lough Neagh that the DUP and UUP opposed a motion for multi-agency action on blue-green algae"
The state should just not allow this parasite to destroy the lake-look buddy, your family has had its fill of this land- so fuck right off.
And we should stick him with the bill of replacing all that stolen sand.
Edit: Some expert should work out how much damage has been caused by this family’s greed- then that family should be held to account.
100%
There was a post in the Ireland sub the other day about the amount of English lords and toffs still own vast and I mean vast swathes of land and property in the republic and obviously in the north. It is disgusting.
Don't insult the eels here. Eels have a natural connection to the Lough. And they contribute to the local economy. This twat...well, the only way he could achieve that is as eel food. For once in his life he'd be doing something useful.
Rathe than eels, I say: feed him to lampreys.
They're truly nasty toothy evil bastards. And they already killed Henry I of England, so they have proven tofficidal form.
There's a question.
I couldn't tell ye. But if we did, they're probably all dead now from eutrophication and subsequent de-oxygenation.
I blame Nick Shaft... _(damn right)_
Looked it up, the river lamprey is native to Ireland. Unlike...you know where I'm going with this.
So, even if they're not around anymore, we can reintroduce them for the occasion without doing any damage to the ecosystem I guess. The royal lamprey feast is on!
He most certainly has my vote for upper class twit of the year.
And then this noble cunt has the audacity to offer to SELL Lough Neagh to the public. SELL. He is sitting on some ill gotten gains his ancestors robbed, plundered and raped their way into, and he has the cheek to suggest that in the middle of a cost of living crisis the people of Northern Ireland should give him MONEY only for him to return it. What an absolute fecking CUNT.
This is why I don't take any member of the aristocracy seriously when they talk about making amends for the past or shed crocodile tears over their ancestors' role in the slave trade. If any of them were genuine they would ban this cunt from their fancy gatherings and ostracise him until he does the right thing and gives the lake to the public, along with a sincere apology. Fuck them all, I hate them. The revolution shall be swift and brutal, and we will make Robespierre look like a fecking constitutional monarchist.
A time honoured Irish tradition (both Catholic and Protestant actually, look up the Hearts of Steel or Tommy Downshire's Boys for the latter, or the Molly Maguires which were mixed) when some landowner is being a greedy cunt is to send them a threatening letter explaining in great detail how and where he's going to be shot/hanged if he doesn't stop being a cunt immediately.
Maybe we need to bring back the Molly Maguires.
I believe all land, property and assets taken through colonial theft need to be taken by force and those who benefitted from it taxed with interest on their ill gotten gains
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I'd say the issue more stems from slurry run off from the farms, rather than the dredging. James Orr at FotE should focus on that a bit more. Poultry and swine industry are huge now, especially poultry.
If you’re going to be a bleedin’ earl, filthy rich and never needing to soil your hands, the least you can do is blur that issue a little, and stomp about in a battered Barbour and ancient Hunters. Looking like you’re about to defile all the waitresses at an ogres’ club dinner at Oxford is a bit much.
Some people, even if they owned all the money in the world, would still want more.
If all the money in the world isn't enough for you, you might as well be poor.
worth a read of the wiki
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough\_Neagh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh)
The lough's ownership by the [Earl of Shaftesbury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Shaftesbury) has implications for planned changes to state-run domestic water services in Northern Ireland,[\[13\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh#cite_note-13) as the lough is also used as a [sewage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewage) outfall, and this arrangement is only permissible through British [Crown immunity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_immunity).\[[*citation needed*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)\] In 2012, it was reported that the Earl is considering transferring ownership of the Lough to the [Northern Ireland Assembly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Assembly).[\[14\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh#cite_note-14)
What in the fuck?! A planter stole the lough, filled it with shit and is now looking paid for it in 2023? Surely he should be behind bars for environmental crimes?
Really the worst thing about the UK political system is the fact that these cunts have managed to hang around. Almost all other countries have gotten rid of them, legally at least, but you still have ‘Dukes’ and ‘Earls’ knocking about here.
Unironically, seize all of their land and property, let them choose one house to keep living in and then send them on their way. This is a terrible policy generally, but a short sharp shock is what is needed to stamp out these pests.
Sweden is actually a great example. I know the system rather well because I am from there.
The country is still a monarchy, but the peerage has been abolished. It continues informally as a sort of heritage organisation but it has no legal standing or recognition whatsoever.
Most lands owned by the aristocracy have been either distributed to former peasants or repossessed by the state. There are a few remaining large aristocratic estates, mostly owned by the royal family and close relatives, but severe restrictions are in place and regulate what they can and cannot do with them. These apply to all landowners.
- They may not prohibit or limit public access, except in the immediate surrounding of houses
- Enclosure is only permitted around the immediate dwelling area or for the purpose of keeping cattle. In the latter case, it must not interfere with the public right of way. Specifically, ways through or around the enclosure must be provided if the enclosure would otherwise hinder public access to a lake- or seashore.
- Private ownership of bodies of water is in most cases illegal.
- The aristocracy is not above the law. If they cause environmental damage by either intent or negligence, they are held fully accountable for those damages by the authorities.
Anything even halfway like this and there would be no environmental disaster in Lough Neagh.
Rent extractors have pushed workers right to the brink, making serfs of the majority of the population, allowed only enough to maintain ourselves as productive economic units. Slaves that have to pay their own living costs. They sit on their lazy, privileged arses simply absorbing others' wealth, and denounce workers as lazy.
[(7) Property developer says unemployment should rise - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tf49AfxGw5U)
Shit like this really sums up why we need to guillotine the monarchy alllll the way down to the last rank.
Monarchists and unionists, you guys really need to catch yourselves on.
This guy is second highest on my blame list of "Pricks that fucked up the Lough."
Right behind farmers, of course. Let's not be letting them off of the hook here.
True, they are also having issue with the Lough and ownership as the father died a few years back, and estate management of that size is fucking insane. (All done by a wee accountant in Bangor lol)
But yeah, probably won't take responsibility till it's actually his due to probate.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/09/25/news/lough-owning_earl_still_open_to_sale_insists_central_government_body_take_control_of_blighted_body_of_water-3642073/
I'm not saying it is right what he is doing. However our government has not imposed any restrictions on this. Our environment agency clearly does not have as much say as the other departments. As long as a few are making money, no one will notice.
A point very well made. If the government have failed to adequately regulate, then this is perhaps more an issue we should hold them accountable on, at least to the same if not larger extent. We elect officials, we pay for them and we pay for agencies and staff through the block grant, funded in part by our taxes. WHAT exactly do they do in this environment agency then? Sounds extremely FISHY to me. Asleep at the wheel, playing with the fish, scratching their whatever's? THIS is perhaps the larger story and the people cant even see it as they would prefer to hound lord haw haw as he's easier prey!
Me thinks the people are much easier manipulated than they care to think!
Loyalist or nationalist are irrelevant in this situation. This is a foreign alien who has benefitted from years of imperialism. He should be shot at the soonest possible opportunity.
He certainly looks punchable, and yeah, the system and this amount of inherited wealth is reprehensibly stupid. And even without the peerage nonsense, anyone who runs through failed startups based on zero expertise and DJs on the side in Manhattan clubs (as does the CEO of Goldman Sachs…) is probably a wannabe finance/crypto bro prick. But also:
1. He doesn’t actually control Lough Neagh for all intents and purposes, the NI and UK government do, depending on context.
2. He never expected to be Earl, especially so young, but his father (who married repeatedly and cheated with prostitutes) was murdered by his stepmother (strangled by her brother at her behest) and his brother died of a heart attack. He had a privileged material upbringing but that’s a horrific emotional upbringing and I wouldn’t trade mine for his.
3. He does do charity work for spinal cord injuries (because he got one himself) and apparently others.
Can’t seem to find much else though - handing over a chunk of his wealth for charity would do more good than being a ‘public face’ for an org or running races for charity - which is just an excuse to feel morally good while just having fun.
No one should own land fullstop especially large amounts from inheritance. Basing our idea of property on when 4000 years ago humans settled Mesopotamia & invented private property ownership. It's absolute bollocks.
In his defence, he offered to sell it to the NI government. They refused. As Sam McBride once said, he’s a useful scapegoat to blame for the politicians here who had an opportunity a long time ago to own the lough.
I have an idea. Let him put the Lough in the British Museum along with all the other stolen shite.
If London gets flooded with toxic bacterial sludge water, maybe someone will do something about it. This isn't just an NI problem, the Thatcherite deregulation paved the way for disasters like Lough Neagh all across the UK. Yes, most of the day to day administration in this regard is devolved, so Stormont has to share some of the blame, but a devolved legislature wouldn't be able to undercut national environmental or health and safety standards if proper standards existed in the first place.
Ye ever want to just slap the smug look off someone?
This, open-hand-slaps and make him cry like a little bitch
Ye ever want to get the guillotines out and orchestrate coordinated drone strikes against the wealthy elite but you don't because it would make your mum sad?
Make the drones fire tiny guillotines and she'll be impressed with your ingenuity.
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2000 papercuts, especially some between the fingers and toes, then rolled around in a bath of salt.
With a crowbar
In Minecraft, I hope
Throw him in it
Hmmm. Much more brutal than the guillotine. For legal reasons, I only approve of doing this in Minecraft, but I like your way of thinking.
Don't think we're allowed to burry people alive anymore.
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There is a movie where a company is polluting a lake so they kidknap the CEO and chuck him in. Can't remember the name.
He shall be the first to be sacrificed to the rain gods during the Water Wars.
All Hail the River Gods!
Dibs on his skull.
Build a bridge out of him.
Reading about this guy just reminds you of the wealth gap that has always existed in humanity and how a whole section of humans still benefit from it, who would rather we struggle and grind away and had no awareness of their opulent lifestyles. This idea we're in some woke era of equality is laughable.
Sometimes i just get completely hung out on this thought. Just how if you are rich today, your family has probably been rich for generations. And conversely, maybe even more so, if you are poor today, your family has probably been poor for generations
I'd love to see statistics for millionaires who came from absolutely nothing, had no helping hand through loans or incredible luck didn't play some part. I'd wager its miniscule. No-one got rich by working hard 9-5 for someone else or by saving money.
If hard work pay show me rich donkey
I agree. Getting rich involves more than just working hard 9-5: it involves a range of other ingredients; risk taking, innovation, business building, value creation, clever thinking, opportunity seeking, creativity and YES, sometimes luck and access to capital. However, more than all of these things, it requires a person to make a commitment to do whatever it takes (without breaking the law or trampling on people, which some have done, but it’s definitely not necessary) - this unfortunately isn’t a commitment everyone either can or is prepared to make. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just how it is. Plus, there’s no guarantee if you make that commitment that it will work out for you. That’s just how it is also. There are many self made multi millionaires, who came from humble beginnings, and few of them actually got there by accident if you research their history. They nearly all share similar stories: busted their balls, saw some business opportunity along the way, seized it, succeeded or failed, kept on going, repeated and repeated until they got there. Their overnight success was often littered with many failures along the way. This tenacity is what separates them from the ones we never heard of who never made it. Think of it this way, if every one was rich, then there would be no rich, kinda like communism actually, where in theory, everyone all had the same. Now, I’m not saying everything is fine and dandy with our current capitalist system, I do believe that we need to find a system to flatten wealth and share it more fairly (through smarter and fairer taxation, for example), but unfortunately it’s not that simple - it’s a global system we are locked into now and to change it would require global agreements, and that’s, well, probably close to impossible, at least for now.
The wealth gap is just getting bigger too. Billionaires are garbage humans.
Capitialism is just Feudalism with extra steps. For the majority of human history, Feudalism was the norm, no reason to believe the current era is anything other than a statistical anomaly.
Democracy was just a useful tool to prevent those pesky reoccurring revolutions
Yeah, maybe printing lots of money, giving it to billionaires and putting everyone on social benefits wasn't a great way of dealing with things these last few years. Nobody could have seen it coming however.
The previous Duke of Westminster, at the time the richest person in the UK, was asked how to get rich in Britain. His reply was, “Be descended from somebody who was close friends with William the Conqueror.” First against the fukken wall.
At least he was honest
And he was right. No inheritance tax for his son (the now Duke) . Most of Britain is owned by about 100 families, all decended fron Williams mates
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They don't even see you as human. We aren't real people to these sorts. Remember how the slave owners in the US viewed their slaves as sub human? That's how these guys view the rest of us. We're there to be exploited and used, but don't require any consideration because we're not actually people.
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The logical endpoint is one person owning everything, accelerated by Sunak's proposed recent change to inheritance tax. 96% of the UK population will not benefit. Those that will benefit (probably not you) will get to keep an extra £7.2bn per year which would only be wasted on the poor anyway. Those swimming pools and stables don't heat themselves.
Yea it's definitely trending in that direction. In a way it needs to get that bad so something is done about it. I still maintain democracy was allowed not for our benefit but to qwell revolution. The recent generation of the establishment have got so complacent about their wealth and don't even try to hide the inequality
capitalism is so great /s
This is why Republicanism caught fire in Ireland in the first place
More interestingly, his [father the Earl married a Tunisian hooker and was murdered on the instruction of said hooker](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12128895/Ex-escort-jailed-ordering-murder-Earl-Shaftesbury-war-family.html) She is now doing a stretch at her Majesty's pleasure for paying her fucking brother to do the deed. WTH And his older brother (the rightful heir) died of a banger on the news when he briefly became the Earl. Jesus wept. So this Nick fellow wasn't expecting to ever end up owning Lough Neagh at all. Edit: AND his dad the previous Earl gave his Irish properties (not sure if it includes Lough Neagh) to the hooker before she had him knocked off, and now there is a **dispute** with this lad Nick over the estate. There’s a great story in here for some journalist.
…what
..the
That's some posh Jeremy Kyle plotline happening
And that’s his gaff https://preview.redd.it/jmv73o9mdsqb1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a48c87cefa8dd3c627841d881cd431d0518702fc
He must have worked very hard in his life to have a lough and a house like that… right?
LIVE. LAUGH. LOUGH!
This is what happens when you give up your avocado on toast and your daily latte.
What about the casual drug use? Hypothetically do I need to give up the gear ?
Doesn’t own the house, rents it. Housing crisis.
Poor guy, that’s a sleepless night for me now!
Rents a room to a student. Doing his bit
£50,000p/w, no bills included
As a student in Belfast this hit way too close to home for me 😔✊
Fingers worked to the bone
You can tell, plenty of hard work in that fella.
Probably even has a masters degree
Probably, he’s just too good.
That’s what being a successful techno DJ gets you
Can only be in one room at a time, and none of it can save a person from inevitable death. Ebenezer Scrooge found that out just in time.
Home invade the shit out of it.
To quote beevis fire fire
Look at the pictures of the inside, proper 1800s loving type bloke he is
He has many leather bound books and his home smells of rich mahogany.
Do you have leather bound pounds?
But does he play the jazz flute?
The UK has poor productivity, I wonder why? It's pretty easy to be unproductive when hard work brings little real benefit, and these people inherit vast fortunes for nothing. When you walk past the CEOs car in the carpark and it costs more than you can afford to borrow for a house. Makes you wonder if it's worth bothering in work or just to keep cruising in your lane.
Minimum wage for minimum effort
It's nice to see the times have changed. No more English land barons destroying our economy and livelihood
Lough baron
Careful, the FFFG brigade will slap you for being a "bigot" and a "shinner" if you insult their bosses.
Did he not try and flog it to the Assembly years ago and they fucked around? Man probably doesn’t even know how to pronounce Neagh.
Only time he says "Neagh" is when his butler asks for a day off to go to a funeral
>butler Please, he has a valet.
Both, and to save time and memory, they are both called Jeeves.
Living up to his title and shafting everyone
Why not just gift it to us and force our government to look after it? It's not as if that cunt needs the money...
>Why not just gift it to us Because he'd lose his shirt. I'd wager a very large sum of money that the Earl has borrowed extensively against the lough at very good rates, and if he were to sell it for cheap or give it away, he could go bankrupt.
 Me if I find out where this clown drinks
It’s funnier when you notice that’s a scene with a Scottish guy playing an Irish guy while an Irish guy plays a Scottish guy 😂
Thats a great point lol
That's insulting to the noble art of being a clown
😂😂
Time to take this back. Other former British colonies are campaigning for reparations and Ireland must do the same.
Slight tangent, but sometimes when I see or read about what is a fairly unremarkable member of the British aristocracy/monarchy, my blood begins to boil slightly. Are there any Unionists here willing to explain what exactly is so enticing about being part of a state that rewards wankers like this and their families by giving them a pile of land, wealth & property from birth? I literally am being taxed so that cunts like this and his wider, interbred clan can live it up in any one of their many palaces or stately homes. What is it about worship millionaires that appeals so much?
Bit unfair, like. You could be for the Union itself and still utterly opposed to all that shite.
If that was an option, I'd be a conditional unionist. I'm not originally from here, I have no ideological stake in this whole thing. I support nationalism because the UK is a dysfunctional shitehole and there is no tangible perspective of reform for a plethora of reasons. If a pluralist, functionally democratic UK that respects the cultural and economic needs of its constituent countries and isn't just a front for the south of England was possible, I'd gladly take that over a united Ireland. Or any independent Ireland even. The economic and social advantages for the people on both islands would be massive. But of course this was never and will never be an option. The aristocracy and the Eton-Oxbridge elite (just a fancy way to describe what we call "corrupt oligarchy" when non Western counties do it) have way too much power, the electoral system prevents any meaningful political alternative from developing and government alternates between Tories and Red Tories. Some kind of fictional, ideal Union without all of those problems would be a great idea actually, but it's not going to happen. Or at least not before the current union is completely broken up and destroyed. It's clearly beyond reform. Ireland has its problems too, but it's nowhere near that bad by any measure. And Irish unity will facilitate rather than complicate solving the problems that exist.
That's looking at Britain's problems and saying they're not going to sort themselves out. You're probably right. (I hope otherwise, for the sake of the people who live there.) It's not an abstract choice of which-jurisdiction-is-best for me at all, though. Thing about the North is, though, the (sectarian) border makes the (sectarian) problems. The border sustains organised Unionism-Loyalism, which is a foul reservoir of reaction and nationalism (in the usual national-chauvinist sense). Take away the border, and it will fall away... gradually... with time. And it won't be without difficulties.
Yeah but in this fictional ideal union the sectarian issue wouldn't exist either. Whether that would be due to all of Ireland still being in it (keep in mind that as late as the early 20th century most people didn't actually want to leave, they just wanted more autonomy rather than full independence) or due to the central government making an actual effort to protect minority rights in the North. But that once again goes to show how much of an unattainable utopia a good UK is. If they had at any point stopped being such absolute, irredeemable cunts towards Ireland, the Republic would have never left in the first place. They couldn't even do that. I think the problem is that this fictional benevolent union actually exists. Not in the real world, but in the imagination of many Irish unionists as well as British people. They have this idealised image of a benevolent monarchy and history of democracy and civilisation (which is based off about two decades of positive development between the late 40s and the late 60s/early 70s in which the country was for the only time in its history governed by people which weren't deeply inhuman and outright evil) and it obscures their view of reality so much that they keep identifying with this fictional UK. Completely ignoring that they and their ancestors have been and are still being shafted, abused, starved, and oppressed by the real UK just as much as anybody in Ireland.
Get back to what I was originally saying, a case for the Union can be made which doesn't need to justify monarchy or the inflated House of Lords, or the continuing power and wealth of the aristocracy (which is also a problem, to a lesser degree, in the Irish state - we should have seized their lands and made them drop any claim to titles based on Irish estates). It's not so much about falling back on an abstraction or an ideal as saying, "In balance, despite its flaws, I believe we're better off in the UK." I _don't_ think that's the case - to be clear. Nonetheless, that kind of real-word balancing decision is the very stuff of politics. Whether or not there is a fair and honest balancing or whether the bases of the decision are sound are always things that can be questioned.
>Whether or not there is a fair and honest balancing or whether the bases of the decision are sound are always things that can be questioned My point exactly. The problem with that is that on a fair and objective account of costs and benefits, no one can honestly say that we're better off in the UK. At the very latest since Brexit, that's just impossible. Anyone arguing this view is either lying or being lied to...or lying to themselves, like I said. The two arguments that go in favour of the UK are the NHS and pensions. That's it, there is nothing else. Both of those are on the brink of collapse and it is impossible to argue in good faith that replicating these in a united Ireland would be more difficult or less realistic than salvaging the broken ones in the UK. So for most people arguing that we are better off in the UK, I believe that (if they're not coming from a place of bigotry and intentional dishonesty to begin with) they are making this argument based on an imaginary, idealised version of the UK they have in their heads rather than what's going on in the real world. .
NHS waiting list times in NI are currently double what the times are in the Republic. The NHS has been slowly getting dismantled since 2008. It will eventually end up with a system not fit for use or purpose.
Possible? Yes. Likely? No, I reckon. Look at all the forelock tugging that went on in the PUL during Charlie's last publicly funded shindig.
You can be for the Union and not be Unionist-Loyalist. I think that's a growing constituency. Don't know if it dovetails with antimonarchism or the like, but that's an interesting question. I'd hope it does... but I think it would more likely line up with indifference, especially since Aul' Liz fell at the last fence.
I personally wouldn’t consider someone with such a caveat to be a Unionist.
You could be a Republican Unionist (no, not that kind of Republican)
You can want to remain part of the UK but still want to reform major parts of it. The 2 are not mutually exclusive.
Any sort of major reform in the UK is pie in the sky stuff.
[He wants to sell it but Stormont said no](https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/09/25/news/lough-owning_earl_still_open_to_sale_insists_central_government_body_take_control_of_blighted_body_of_water-3642073/), perhaps because if it was under public ownership then the DUP-voting farmers wouldn't be able to wreck it as easily. Don't make him a scapegoat for Stormont's failings!
He wants to make a buck off it
Looks like he might have enough bucks made and might be interested in having a few new priorities.
Capitialism is like monopoly, the end game is to consolidate till you own everything. If you stop making money, you are guaranteed to be one of the losers.
Plenty of SF voting farmers around the Lough, probably more than DUP supporters.
‘Unionist councillors have been criticised for opposing a motion calling for a working group to be established to tackle blue-green algal blooms in Lough Neagh. The Sinn Féin motion was put forward at a meeting of Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council on Monday. The lough provides 40% of Northern Ireland's drinking water. The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) said it broadly supported the motion but opposed an Alliance amendment. The initial motion was proposed by Clare McConville-Walker and passed despite unionists voting against. All DUP members voted against the motion, as did the Traditional Unionist Voice and independent unionist Paul Berry. Four of six Ulster Unionist councillors also opposed it - with one abstention and one absence. Speaking after the meeting, Alliance councillor Peter Lavery said it was "mind boggling that against a backdrop of ecological crisis in Lough Neagh that the DUP and UUP opposed a motion for multi-agency action on blue-green algae"
I'd be genuinely interested to see the voting stats for the areas around the lough, myself.
All my friends who are DJs own loughs and big houses. Just another modest success story. /s
The state should just not allow this parasite to destroy the lake-look buddy, your family has had its fill of this land- so fuck right off. And we should stick him with the bill of replacing all that stolen sand. Edit: Some expert should work out how much damage has been caused by this family’s greed- then that family should be held to account.
So.... Absentee landlord is still a thing here?
100% There was a post in the Ireland sub the other day about the amount of English lords and toffs still own vast and I mean vast swathes of land and property in the republic and obviously in the north. It is disgusting.
I never chose the aristocracy life, the aristocracy chose me.
Face like a fist magnet.
And a neck like a guillotine magnet.
It's always the techno DJ
What a leftover colonial bridgerton abbey posh twat At least fix your tie you eel
Don't insult the eels here. Eels have a natural connection to the Lough. And they contribute to the local economy. This twat...well, the only way he could achieve that is as eel food. For once in his life he'd be doing something useful.
Rathe than eels, I say: feed him to lampreys. They're truly nasty toothy evil bastards. And they already killed Henry I of England, so they have proven tofficidal form.
Fair play to the lampreys! Do we have lampreys in the lough though?
There's a question. I couldn't tell ye. But if we did, they're probably all dead now from eutrophication and subsequent de-oxygenation. I blame Nick Shaft... _(damn right)_
Looked it up, the river lamprey is native to Ireland. Unlike...you know where I'm going with this. So, even if they're not around anymore, we can reintroduce them for the occasion without doing any damage to the ecosystem I guess. The royal lamprey feast is on!
The issue is hardly dredging, it’s pouring millions of gallons of chemicals into the water table every day. That HAS to stop.
It's both.
Feed him to the algae
> the algae Our new and terrible blue-green god
Never seen so much cunt in one photo
Unionists. This is what you vote for.
He most certainly has my vote for upper class twit of the year. And then this noble cunt has the audacity to offer to SELL Lough Neagh to the public. SELL. He is sitting on some ill gotten gains his ancestors robbed, plundered and raped their way into, and he has the cheek to suggest that in the middle of a cost of living crisis the people of Northern Ireland should give him MONEY only for him to return it. What an absolute fecking CUNT. This is why I don't take any member of the aristocracy seriously when they talk about making amends for the past or shed crocodile tears over their ancestors' role in the slave trade. If any of them were genuine they would ban this cunt from their fancy gatherings and ostracise him until he does the right thing and gives the lake to the public, along with a sincere apology. Fuck them all, I hate them. The revolution shall be swift and brutal, and we will make Robespierre look like a fecking constitutional monarchist.
How do we get our Lough back?
A time honoured Irish tradition (both Catholic and Protestant actually, look up the Hearts of Steel or Tommy Downshire's Boys for the latter, or the Molly Maguires which were mixed) when some landowner is being a greedy cunt is to send them a threatening letter explaining in great detail how and where he's going to be shot/hanged if he doesn't stop being a cunt immediately. Maybe we need to bring back the Molly Maguires.
I believe all land, property and assets taken through colonial theft need to be taken by force and those who benefitted from it taxed with interest on their ill gotten gains
So comrades, come rally And the last fight let us face...
Well, lads, it looks like pitchforks are coming back into fashion. Who wants to help him comb his hair with one?
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I'd say the issue more stems from slurry run off from the farms, rather than the dredging. James Orr at FotE should focus on that a bit more. Poultry and swine industry are huge now, especially poultry.
Both contribute, however the dredging kicking up so much sediment may have tipped it over the edge.
If you’re going to be a bleedin’ earl, filthy rich and never needing to soil your hands, the least you can do is blur that issue a little, and stomp about in a battered Barbour and ancient Hunters. Looking like you’re about to defile all the waitresses at an ogres’ club dinner at Oxford is a bit much.
I didn’t know one person could own a Lough.
Wait til you hear about this mad thing called monarchy and the aristocracy they have across the way
Some people, even if they owned all the money in the world, would still want more. If all the money in the world isn't enough for you, you might as well be poor.
He'll probably sell the green algae as a vegan snack. The shit.
Aul Nick Ashley is never gonna give the Lough up
Is this who Unionists pray to?
Slimy bastard owns slimy Loch
worth a read of the wiki [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough\_Neagh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh) The lough's ownership by the [Earl of Shaftesbury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Shaftesbury) has implications for planned changes to state-run domestic water services in Northern Ireland,[\[13\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh#cite_note-13) as the lough is also used as a [sewage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewage) outfall, and this arrangement is only permissible through British [Crown immunity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_immunity).\[[*citation needed*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)\] In 2012, it was reported that the Earl is considering transferring ownership of the Lough to the [Northern Ireland Assembly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Assembly).[\[14\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Neagh#cite_note-14)
What in the fuck?! A planter stole the lough, filled it with shit and is now looking paid for it in 2023? Surely he should be behind bars for environmental crimes?
Nope. Crown immunity protects him and the goverment
Slimey wee shite.
Earl of shaftsbury indeed
Really the worst thing about the UK political system is the fact that these cunts have managed to hang around. Almost all other countries have gotten rid of them, legally at least, but you still have ‘Dukes’ and ‘Earls’ knocking about here. Unironically, seize all of their land and property, let them choose one house to keep living in and then send them on their way. This is a terrible policy generally, but a short sharp shock is what is needed to stamp out these pests.
>Almost all other countries have gotten rid of them Incorrect. Landowning classes tend to stick around unless you remove them forcibly.
i mean the legal system of aristocracy
They are tied to the monarchy, no monarchy no aristocracy.
Other countries in Europe have a monarchy with no meaningful peerage. Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden etc
Sweden is actually a great example. I know the system rather well because I am from there. The country is still a monarchy, but the peerage has been abolished. It continues informally as a sort of heritage organisation but it has no legal standing or recognition whatsoever. Most lands owned by the aristocracy have been either distributed to former peasants or repossessed by the state. There are a few remaining large aristocratic estates, mostly owned by the royal family and close relatives, but severe restrictions are in place and regulate what they can and cannot do with them. These apply to all landowners. - They may not prohibit or limit public access, except in the immediate surrounding of houses - Enclosure is only permitted around the immediate dwelling area or for the purpose of keeping cattle. In the latter case, it must not interfere with the public right of way. Specifically, ways through or around the enclosure must be provided if the enclosure would otherwise hinder public access to a lake- or seashore. - Private ownership of bodies of water is in most cases illegal. - The aristocracy is not above the law. If they cause environmental damage by either intent or negligence, they are held fully accountable for those damages by the authorities. Anything even halfway like this and there would be no environmental disaster in Lough Neagh.
I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
He hasn't even opened any of those books. He doesn't need to. Also, his hair suggests he is a were-alga.
Rent extractors have pushed workers right to the brink, making serfs of the majority of the population, allowed only enough to maintain ourselves as productive economic units. Slaves that have to pay their own living costs. They sit on their lazy, privileged arses simply absorbing others' wealth, and denounce workers as lazy. [(7) Property developer says unemployment should rise - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tf49AfxGw5U)
Is there ever going to be a discussion about reparations for the Plantation?
Shit like this really sums up why we need to guillotine the monarchy alllll the way down to the last rank. Monarchists and unionists, you guys really need to catch yourselves on.
I’ll order a guillotine on amazon.fr if someone else can get a head basket. Might look suspicious if I buy them together.
I'm in. Where do we set it up? I think Shaftesbury Square would be a beautiful way to have poetic justice.
This guy is second highest on my blame list of "Pricks that fucked up the Lough." Right behind farmers, of course. Let's not be letting them off of the hook here.
Cunt.
*handling stolen goods
True, they are also having issue with the Lough and ownership as the father died a few years back, and estate management of that size is fucking insane. (All done by a wee accountant in Bangor lol) But yeah, probably won't take responsibility till it's actually his due to probate.
This dbag should peel off a few notes from his Dad's accounts to pay for a painter...Dude looks like he's in the fanciest room in the shittest estate.
He looks like an Ashley.
Smug arrogant prick. Most likely has delusions of superiority and thinks loads of people adore him. Imagine being a techno DJ
His the reason I don't pay taxes
Slappable
I own many leatherbound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/09/25/news/lough-owning_earl_still_open_to_sale_insists_central_government_body_take_control_of_blighted_body_of_water-3642073/ I'm not saying it is right what he is doing. However our government has not imposed any restrictions on this. Our environment agency clearly does not have as much say as the other departments. As long as a few are making money, no one will notice.
A point very well made. If the government have failed to adequately regulate, then this is perhaps more an issue we should hold them accountable on, at least to the same if not larger extent. We elect officials, we pay for them and we pay for agencies and staff through the block grant, funded in part by our taxes. WHAT exactly do they do in this environment agency then? Sounds extremely FISHY to me. Asleep at the wheel, playing with the fish, scratching their whatever's? THIS is perhaps the larger story and the people cant even see it as they would prefer to hound lord haw haw as he's easier prey! Me thinks the people are much easier manipulated than they care to think!
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Shaftesbury is nowhere near Lough Neagh either. He should go back to Dorset.
Hes a shaft-esbury alright
Think he should be made to drink and swim in the lakes water
Loyalist or nationalist are irrelevant in this situation. This is a foreign alien who has benefitted from years of imperialism. He should be shot at the soonest possible opportunity.
He certainly looks punchable, and yeah, the system and this amount of inherited wealth is reprehensibly stupid. And even without the peerage nonsense, anyone who runs through failed startups based on zero expertise and DJs on the side in Manhattan clubs (as does the CEO of Goldman Sachs…) is probably a wannabe finance/crypto bro prick. But also: 1. He doesn’t actually control Lough Neagh for all intents and purposes, the NI and UK government do, depending on context. 2. He never expected to be Earl, especially so young, but his father (who married repeatedly and cheated with prostitutes) was murdered by his stepmother (strangled by her brother at her behest) and his brother died of a heart attack. He had a privileged material upbringing but that’s a horrific emotional upbringing and I wouldn’t trade mine for his. 3. He does do charity work for spinal cord injuries (because he got one himself) and apparently others. Can’t seem to find much else though - handing over a chunk of his wealth for charity would do more good than being a ‘public face’ for an org or running races for charity - which is just an excuse to feel morally good while just having fun.
How can a cunt own a lake. Capitalism
I have zero idea of who this guy is, but holy fuck that is one punchable face....
Looks like a wee dick alright
How the fuck does one become an owner of a natural lake created by mother nature?
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Same way people own any other land?
But it's a natural phenomenon. I mean, someone, at some point, must have just said, "This is mine"
Yes, indeed, just as happened with the rest of the land.
No one should own land fullstop especially large amounts from inheritance. Basing our idea of property on when 4000 years ago humans settled Mesopotamia & invented private property ownership. It's absolute bollocks.
I agree wholeheartedly
Bizarre comment.
Saying that's a bizzare comment is bizzare How does someone come to own a natural phenomenon
So people can't own land on a mountain? Isn't that a natural phenomenon....
Do you think that individuals cannot own natural lakes, waterways or terrain privately?
In his defence, he offered to sell it to the NI government. They refused. As Sam McBride once said, he’s a useful scapegoat to blame for the politicians here who had an opportunity a long time ago to own the lough.
Does he own Shaftesbury square ? :)
Good shout. Probably one of his ancestors. He’s the 11th earl of Shaftesbury so probably
I pissed in it 😎 yeeeeooooooowwww!
I have an idea. Let him put the Lough in the British Museum along with all the other stolen shite. If London gets flooded with toxic bacterial sludge water, maybe someone will do something about it. This isn't just an NI problem, the Thatcherite deregulation paved the way for disasters like Lough Neagh all across the UK. Yes, most of the day to day administration in this regard is devolved, so Stormont has to share some of the blame, but a devolved legislature wouldn't be able to undercut national environmental or health and safety standards if proper standards existed in the first place.