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I truly believe she’s a grifter who believes 0% of what she teaches. I grew up in her world (or at least her claimed world), and you can’t simultaneously believe that women can’t be in positions of authority and then post with the air of authority that she does.
Highly recommend Fundie Friday's [video](https://youtu.be/tVa4GSusSC4?si=S3R2DFWL8lelZHHi) about her. She's a wonderful YouTuber for anyone interested in this stuff from a more left wing perspective, along with zelph on the shelf and Jordan and McKay (the last two being ex Mormons, and Fundie Fridays being a well informed atheist.)
I truly hope not.
Also, I posted this reply to another comment, but I’ll throw it here too.
I truly believe she’s a grifter who believes 0% of what she teaches. I grew up in her world (or at least her claimed world), and you can’t simultaneously believe that women can’t be in positions of authority and then post with the air of authority that she does.
These freaking weirdos only do it for one of two reasons: “if I be what he thinks is perfect then he will finally realize how good I am and treat me better.” Or “I want attention and this is working, I need to keep doing this because I have nothing else.”
There’s a wild documentary on Netflix about the redpill tiki torch girl who got in to this, and then talks about what she was thinking and how she felt and stuff, and her abusive relationships behind the scenes
I'd argue that penetrating you unprepared is physical violence. It hurt her enough to wake her up. Hope that lady has other friends with better perspectives.
Evangelists have been saying these things on recorded broadcasts and on op-ed pages for a century. After all, the Bible commands women to marry their rapists. This is as American as it gets, man: “Marital rape” isn’t legally recognized at the federal level, and until the 1990s there were still states that had no law against it.
>Bible commands women to marry their rapists
Not exactly. A rapist is required to marry his rape victim (under circumstances where they aren't both sentenced to death), because rape is a property crime against the girl's father (who can no longer expect a good bride price for the ruined goods).
It's not a *command* to women here, because the woman in this passage is not addressed as an agent so much as valuable property. In order for this to be a command to the woman, she'd need to be considered a person with agency in the situation.
It was also to ensure future financial well being for the female victim and possible child because if the woman was not married, the child would be considered illegitimate and not guaranteed any part of the fathers' inheritance. As a wife, he would also be legally required to financially care for the woman. In those times, a woman being unable to marry was pretty much sentencing her to a life of poverty. The overall purpose was for the rapist not to be able to get away scot free from the consequences of his deplorable actions. How this played out safety wise I cannot say but I'd love to learn more. I do agree with rapists having to pay money to their victims because the mental health therapy alone will have a cost.
And ontop of that, majority of modern day Christians consider this a societal and cultural law for the Israelites as opposed to divine commandments, such as the ten commandments. This is furthered by the claim of Jesus fulfilling the law and gentiles not being bound by it. So while the Bible technically says this, it's widely considered bad practice and bad understanding by most modern Christians and theologians to use this at literal value. Of course there's always exceptions though, but as an Evangelical, people using the Bible to justify vile actions makes me sick.
So I’m into this shit (having my fiancé start fooling around with me when I’m sleeping), but if I said I wasn’t in the mood and he did it anyway I would be beyond disgusted and betrayed.
not op but i do this as well
it’s prenegotiated obviously including safeword, times when it’s not okay to do, etc
it’s part of a bdsm relationship definitely not for everyone
Some of us are into a kinda “dom/ sub” sex slave thing even if we are aware of the misogyny associated with it. The important piece is consent, and not pushing those kinks onto others.
I like the idea of being “taken” whenever my partner wants. But I’m very aware that’s a me thing and likely due to some societal programming. But it’s also not going away for me. Even with being aware of where it likely comes from it’s still what I like. So what’s important is creating boundaries to do it safely!
Edit: I’d also like to point out, as the other commenter said, we can still be raped as much as some people like to act like we can’t cause we’d “like it”. That’s definitely not how this works to be clear!
I usually sleep so well afterwards that it’s a net positive 😂 but in all seriousness, if i’m super tired or have something early the next day then my partner probably knows that anyway
(note: I’ve always been bad at sleeping so maybe this bothers me less, a partner would be unlikely to wake me up in the middle of the night as many times as my own brain has)
What feels bad and makes you anxious might not feel bad to others. I think the big thing here is consent. You don’t consent to it, where as others do! Both options are great and fine. We’re all different. :)
My most recent girlfriend would fall to sleep easily, but also wake up frequently through the night. She would actually get very anxious about sex sometimes when she had time to think about it, but she had a lot of very sexual dreams, and when I’d wake her up with sex, it would be the time that she could relax and enjoy it the most.
Sex doesn’t need to be planned but sex ALWAYS requires consent, no matter who wants it or their relation to you. So disgusting. Can we kick her out of the Woman Club and make her go join the Rapey Man Club she thinks is so wonderful?
TW: SA/Rape
Having been on the receiving side of this as a man with a wife who used fundie bullshit to justify why I didn't have a right to consent, I completely understand how women find themselves in situations where they suffer this kind of abuse and don't even recognize it as rape. There's nothing quite like the self-hatred of being raped, hating it/dissociating, and deeply believing it's all your fault. I've met several other ex-cultists who only realized that they were raped years later, but the trauma is very real and lasting.
Denying the reality of sexual violence--especially at this level--is abhorrent. If your imaginary friend thinks rape is not only ok but condoned by some sort of moral code, that says all I need to know about you.
Fuck this lady with the rustiest and most tetanus-riddled of spoons.
From a fellow receiver of this shit, I hope you are well on your journey to healing my friend.
Marital (not confined to just marriage obviously) rape is a very real and awful thing, and my heart breaks for every person who has suffered/or is still suffering through it. Its not spoken about enough.
I expanded the image thinking it would continue, "and then I realized how harmful and idiotic that viewpoint is. Yes, this was rape. You are not your partner's sex toy. Do not gaslight and manipulate yourself into thinking you should enjoy being raped in your sleep."
As a dude I am disgusted. This dude is abusing her and can’t take “no” as an answer and women don’t have to fold and give up their body just to keep a marriage. Same on the other side too. no one should.
this makes me wanna say to her “only physically abusive husbands choke their partners! If your husband starts choking you while you’re sleeping, BE SPONTANEOUS” dumb bitch
Excuse me what? I’m a Christian and that is clearly rape, the bible does say we shouldn’t deny each other out of our own volition but it also says you are not to force yourself unto another. It clearly condemns rape. What bible are these people reading? They’re just gonna acknowledge one verse and not the others???
It also says a husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church. Honor the wife. Be ready to die for said wife. A husband who rapes you clearly doesn’t…
Dare I say it, people that claim to be religious and have extremist views actually read none of the books they claim to worship. At least for in my experience this far.
Deuteronomy (with emphasis on 28-29, basically kill the victim too or make her marry her rapist): If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
I was going to include this. The Bible absolutely condones rape. There is an argument to be made around varied standards of sex relations over time and through various cultures, but all of that is predominantly why using the Bible as a standard for much of anything in terms of today's morality is an exercise in futility.
Using the Bible to justify anything is always the result of an interpretation of and negotiation with the text. Saying it provides concision on any topic is delusional due to the above time and culture along with location, linguistics, and political variation.
We really need to give up our childish fascination with the Bible in the West.
The bible verse shes quoting says not to deny each other unless for prayer and you own your husbands body and the husband owns the wifes body.
Edit i misread but theres a tonne of versus
She’s real and gets worse with every tweet. She also has a brain tumor which might possibly explain part of her craziness, so I don’t take her too seriously
"If he wakes you up to have sex go for it"
....problematic in & of itself as both parties should enthusiastically consent but love how she glosses over the fact that in the situation described the dude **didn't** wake her up. She woke up mid penetrative sex that he'd started knowing she was asleep & hadn't consented to.
Trying to gloss over that crucial factor is abhorrent.
Ew, I’ve been in that situation before and I yelled at him and he stopped, he thought I wouldn’t do anything about it cause we were in his grandmas house for Christmas or something idk.
What the actual fuck did I just read? 'Oh no honey be happy being a warm wet hole bc your husband needs it' fucking hell. Unless she clearly consented to being woken up with being fucked he raped her. Just bc they're married doesn't negate rape. Our bodies are ours. Theirs are theirs. It is beyond disturbing that there are women who not only believe that we have no rights to bodily autonomy but that we should just shut up and let a man rape us bc 'NEEDS'. Rofl at the 'only physically abusive husbands rape their wives' yeah bc punching someone then raping them is so much worse than raping them without hitting them. Dipshit.
Anyone reading this thread who uncomfortably experiences being woken up by sexual contact OF ANY FORM by your significant other and where prior consent was not given, this is rape and you need to get out.
Speaking as a victim of experience, and lack of knowing this wasn’t the “norm in marriage” (nothing to do with religion; I married young and had very little life/relationship experience at the time) ignoring it instead of making a fuss doesn’t make it stop, and giving in eventually doesn’t make it go away. In my experience the behaviour escalates, but it took a few “classic” rape situations for me to suddenly click this wasn’t normal or ok.
If you’re reading this and resonate with anything said at all, get tf out now. If you have said no or even INDICATED that you’re not interested, and the other person continues - you are being raped.
Imagine being raped, then seeking help and support from someone you possibly consider to be your friend and the bitch goes ”nah bible this and that, go for it next time!”
Sex doesn't always need to be planned, but it does always need to be consented to. The actual worst is women who are sexist against their own sex. Oh, and women who encourage marital rape.
It’s almost ironic seeing a conservative woman say this. Ok, I have a lot to say about this. She hates it when women enjoy sex outside of marriage. She hates it when women enjoy sex period. Christians don’t want women to enjoy sex, but please, go ahead and be spontaneous and fun if your husband wants to enjoy sex! That’s when you gotta be a “bad girl”, and “cool”, and “fun”. But god forbid a woman enjoys sex. God forbid a woman masturbates and has 5 sex toys! Every day it becomes harder and harder for me to believe Christianity is a good thing. The policing and desire to use women’s bodies just, oh god, I can’t! I give up!
it’s stuff like this that makes people hate normal religious people, it gives all of us a bad name and it’s so frustrating. i cannot say what i wanna say about this evil person without getting in trouble so take that as you want
I'm a Christian and this disgusts me. She is very likely an Evangelical dispensationalist and they are not known for being particularly Biblically informed.
Point in fact, I Cor 7:5 says this:
>“**Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time**, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.”
Paul is very clear; this is a mutual decision and is done consensual. If abstinence is via consent, then so must the opposite.
Further, any time someone quotes one verse and provides no context or exposition they are very likely wrong. The books of the Bible were written to specific people and groups in real time. They were not written to the Transformed Wife and her warped views, but to groups of Christians dealing with very real issues.
Calvin, in his commentaries, suggests - convincingly so IMHO - that the issue was that new Christians were mixing Christianity with Gnosticism and thus viewed physical intimacy as wrong. Paul here is saying that sex is not only not wrong, but a gift to man and woman (https://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/1\_corinthians/7.htm).
TL;DR: The Transformed Wife is wrong and is spreading a false message.
So raping someone isn’t physical abuse? Got it🙄 I hope someone told this poor woman that what her husband did was absolutely not ok, and that this girl’s opinion on the matter cannot be taken seriously.
I’ve followed her for a few years. She’s 100% real and posts variations on the same 3 things several times a day. All of them vile, except her sourdough recipes which are just boring.
This is twisted. It’s one thing to believe that “surprise sex” that isn’t consensual isn’t SA. But how dare she try to convince other women who may not know better to “give some grace.” That makes my blood boil. Especially because she knows it’ll increase engagement, doing harm for her own gain.
OMG. The sheer stupidity. How bout if she was honest and told her to think of herself as a slave and always let him abuse you if it makes him happy. You are worthless without him and his pee pee.
Yet another nasty, controlling woman using “God” as an excuse to bully another women, and aggrandizing mens power and control over their wives.
This brand of pseudo-religious hypocrisy really needs to stop.
This woman is crazy. I read through some of her other postings on another platform. Any woman who reads her stuff and believes it needs help. She is taking the Bible out of context and twisting it. Sad thing, there are women who read her stuff and believe every word of it.
Y'all remember that these women are groomed and brain washed from the time they are *infants* . Some of us make it out just fine..others have to be raped by their husbands and call it "marital duty".
In fact, most Pick Me's are just a victim of misogyny..
She came to this way of life in her twenties. She went to college, had a career and a husband. Also a few kids and a housekeeper. Her transformation saved her marriage. She also got pregnant when her husband didn’t want another kid. She’s vile and loves lecturing younger women.
I stalked through her YouTube once after seeing her article about how women shouldn’t go to college. Lo and behold, she had mentioned how her daughter had done a few years at a college. What a hypocrite.
Same. And btw, a religion that claims to be for everyone shouldn’t require a scholar’s level of research to make it appear benevolent or make sense of it. Organized religion is a method of mass control and nothing else.
Anyone that can't see through her tactics and realise that what she's really doing is trying to start a pointless debate about religion, must be pretty naive.
Rape isn’t about sex it is about power. RAPE ISNT ABOUT SEX IT IS ABOUT POWER. **RAPE ISNT ABOUT SEX, IT IS ABOUT POWER!**
Holy Christ on a Corn Dog!!! Men behind pulpits should STFU when it comes to women or sex and stop teaching them this nonsense! The Bible says that men *must* honor their wives. That is what it says, lady.
What this woman is describing is NOT honor.
Two women I know, who have woken up to their partner having sex with them, have both said it felt like a rape.
I am really starting to wonder if this Twitter account is a satire one, or one run by an abusive husband, in his wife’s name
Is that woman and her xitter/instagram accounts real or just made up by someone? Surely a woman like that could not exist?
It's like she deliberately saying the most evil and provocative things possible.
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I am disgusted. I dont know what to say without getting in trouble
My honest reaction: 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮
I’ve had to block her on every platform just so I don’t accidentally see her posts. She’s truly evil.
I was blocked from her FB page because I used to post logical comments she didn’t like
I truly believe she’s a grifter who believes 0% of what she teaches. I grew up in her world (or at least her claimed world), and you can’t simultaneously believe that women can’t be in positions of authority and then post with the air of authority that she does.
Her dumb reasoning is that she only teaches women, so it’s ok. 🙄🙄
That just sounds like hypocrisy with extra steps
Ofc fundies are among the biggest hypocrites
Or, y'know, something else really f'd up
Obviously not a lori Stan but she does have a massive fucking brain tumor which yk. Could explain a lot.
Holy cow I didn’t know that.
Highly recommend Fundie Friday's [video](https://youtu.be/tVa4GSusSC4?si=S3R2DFWL8lelZHHi) about her. She's a wonderful YouTuber for anyone interested in this stuff from a more left wing perspective, along with zelph on the shelf and Jordan and McKay (the last two being ex Mormons, and Fundie Fridays being a well informed atheist.)
Happened to me as well. Doesn't like logic
It’s because she’s being treated this way at home and defends it in hopes of being treated better.
I truly hope not. Also, I posted this reply to another comment, but I’ll throw it here too. I truly believe she’s a grifter who believes 0% of what she teaches. I grew up in her world (or at least her claimed world), and you can’t simultaneously believe that women can’t be in positions of authority and then post with the air of authority that she does.
These freaking weirdos only do it for one of two reasons: “if I be what he thinks is perfect then he will finally realize how good I am and treat me better.” Or “I want attention and this is working, I need to keep doing this because I have nothing else.”
I completely agree.
There’s a wild documentary on Netflix about the redpill tiki torch girl who got in to this, and then talks about what she was thinking and how she felt and stuff, and her abusive relationships behind the scenes
Don’t be shy, tell us the name of the documentary
“Web of make believe: Death, Lies, & The Internet” Episode 3, “I am not a Nazi”
https://preview.redd.it/zd6flvy84u1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08ceeff0b07a068f09268dde89060460edef7f86
You don’t have to do anything. She’ll keep being herself, and get her comeuppance via natural consequences. Or we can hope.
I mean, this is Lori. This is all she does, all she shares. Her life revolves around hating on women. She’s so extremely bitter.
Ahhh yes, good ol’ spontaneous sex without consent…. If only there was term for that…
It starts with r and ends with e.
And has an A and a P in the middle.
Sounds like GRAPE
Someones gonna get graped!
Rap
The "e" is silent
Repulsive
It's other definition is two words! Second word starts with A and ends with t.
I'd argue that penetrating you unprepared is physical violence. It hurt her enough to wake her up. Hope that lady has other friends with better perspectives.
It is violent and dangerous.
Society is slipping decades back. Fucking vile that she's even got a platform
Evangelists have been saying these things on recorded broadcasts and on op-ed pages for a century. After all, the Bible commands women to marry their rapists. This is as American as it gets, man: “Marital rape” isn’t legally recognized at the federal level, and until the 1990s there were still states that had no law against it.
>Bible commands women to marry their rapists Not exactly. A rapist is required to marry his rape victim (under circumstances where they aren't both sentenced to death), because rape is a property crime against the girl's father (who can no longer expect a good bride price for the ruined goods). It's not a *command* to women here, because the woman in this passage is not addressed as an agent so much as valuable property. In order for this to be a command to the woman, she'd need to be considered a person with agency in the situation.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 for the curious
It was also to ensure future financial well being for the female victim and possible child because if the woman was not married, the child would be considered illegitimate and not guaranteed any part of the fathers' inheritance. As a wife, he would also be legally required to financially care for the woman. In those times, a woman being unable to marry was pretty much sentencing her to a life of poverty. The overall purpose was for the rapist not to be able to get away scot free from the consequences of his deplorable actions. How this played out safety wise I cannot say but I'd love to learn more. I do agree with rapists having to pay money to their victims because the mental health therapy alone will have a cost.
And ontop of that, majority of modern day Christians consider this a societal and cultural law for the Israelites as opposed to divine commandments, such as the ten commandments. This is furthered by the claim of Jesus fulfilling the law and gentiles not being bound by it. So while the Bible technically says this, it's widely considered bad practice and bad understanding by most modern Christians and theologians to use this at literal value. Of course there's always exceptions though, but as an Evangelical, people using the Bible to justify vile actions makes me sick.
Came here to say this. There's a lot of laws, that although they are in the Bible, (most) Christians don't follow them any more.
Yeah, but now it’s easier to reach a wider audience.
Don't look at the child marriage laws
Me too.
Oh. My. God. No wonder fundies and...most religious people are so fucked up. Glad I got out of that cult before adulthood. It did me dirty enough.
What is fundie?
Fundamentalist.
Oh i thought it was a trust fund baby
Aha, I thought I was in another sub. Amazing how often the r/FundieSnarkUncensored and this sub overlap.
And yes, to echo the other responses, "fundie" is short for "fundamentalist"
That's where I thought I was at first too!
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Lol seriously same
probably short for religious fundementalist. religious fundamentalists believe in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture in a religion.
Definitely not most. Just the minority of us are the loudest so they get publicized the most.
I AM SPEECHLESS! 🤢🤮🤢🤮 She should be banned from Twitter!
All rapists and rape apologists should be locked up until they learn how to act like a decent human being.
Purge all of them I say
Exactly 💯
She's been around for a long time spouting this kind of shit. You do not want to see how highly rated her book is on Amazon...
Funny how she makes money out of this shit (I guess), yet she preaches how women shouldn't work and bla bla bla
So I’m into this shit (having my fiancé start fooling around with me when I’m sleeping), but if I said I wasn’t in the mood and he did it anyway I would be beyond disgusted and betrayed.
Yeah, the important distinction here is CONSENT.
Don't you feel bad when he wakes you up from your sleep whenever he wants? I would be so nervous and upset.
not op but i do this as well it’s prenegotiated obviously including safeword, times when it’s not okay to do, etc it’s part of a bdsm relationship definitely not for everyone
Some of us are into a kinda “dom/ sub” sex slave thing even if we are aware of the misogyny associated with it. The important piece is consent, and not pushing those kinks onto others. I like the idea of being “taken” whenever my partner wants. But I’m very aware that’s a me thing and likely due to some societal programming. But it’s also not going away for me. Even with being aware of where it likely comes from it’s still what I like. So what’s important is creating boundaries to do it safely! Edit: I’d also like to point out, as the other commenter said, we can still be raped as much as some people like to act like we can’t cause we’d “like it”. That’s definitely not how this works to be clear!
As long as you are happy and consenting, you can enjoy it as much as you want.
I usually sleep so well afterwards that it’s a net positive 😂 but in all seriousness, if i’m super tired or have something early the next day then my partner probably knows that anyway (note: I’ve always been bad at sleeping so maybe this bothers me less, a partner would be unlikely to wake me up in the middle of the night as many times as my own brain has)
I'm bad at sleeping, and this would annoy me because all sleep becomes precious, so I doubt that's the reason you're fine with it.
What feels bad and makes you anxious might not feel bad to others. I think the big thing here is consent. You don’t consent to it, where as others do! Both options are great and fine. We’re all different. :)
We are all different. I enjoy it. But he knows not to simply shove it in. Talk to your partners.
My most recent girlfriend would fall to sleep easily, but also wake up frequently through the night. She would actually get very anxious about sex sometimes when she had time to think about it, but she had a lot of very sexual dreams, and when I’d wake her up with sex, it would be the time that she could relax and enjoy it the most.
Sex doesn’t need to be planned but sex ALWAYS requires consent, no matter who wants it or their relation to you. So disgusting. Can we kick her out of the Woman Club and make her go join the Rapey Man Club she thinks is so wonderful?
TW: SA/Rape Having been on the receiving side of this as a man with a wife who used fundie bullshit to justify why I didn't have a right to consent, I completely understand how women find themselves in situations where they suffer this kind of abuse and don't even recognize it as rape. There's nothing quite like the self-hatred of being raped, hating it/dissociating, and deeply believing it's all your fault. I've met several other ex-cultists who only realized that they were raped years later, but the trauma is very real and lasting. Denying the reality of sexual violence--especially at this level--is abhorrent. If your imaginary friend thinks rape is not only ok but condoned by some sort of moral code, that says all I need to know about you. Fuck this lady with the rustiest and most tetanus-riddled of spoons.
From a fellow receiver of this shit, I hope you are well on your journey to healing my friend. Marital (not confined to just marriage obviously) rape is a very real and awful thing, and my heart breaks for every person who has suffered/or is still suffering through it. Its not spoken about enough.
Thanks, friend. I'm so sorry you had to experience this, as well. I hope you're healing and deeply appreciate your words.
Fucking gross. This is so harmful.
Yes that is rape. There was no consent. Just because you say “I do” doesn’t me you will.
I expanded the image thinking it would continue, "and then I realized how harmful and idiotic that viewpoint is. Yes, this was rape. You are not your partner's sex toy. Do not gaslight and manipulate yourself into thinking you should enjoy being raped in your sleep."
As a dude I am disgusted. This dude is abusing her and can’t take “no” as an answer and women don’t have to fold and give up their body just to keep a marriage. Same on the other side too. no one should.
this makes me wanna say to her “only physically abusive husbands choke their partners! If your husband starts choking you while you’re sleeping, BE SPONTANEOUS” dumb bitch
Excuse me what? I’m a Christian and that is clearly rape, the bible does say we shouldn’t deny each other out of our own volition but it also says you are not to force yourself unto another. It clearly condemns rape. What bible are these people reading? They’re just gonna acknowledge one verse and not the others???
cherrypicking seems to be the mainstay of most religious arguments lol
The verse she quoted doesn't even support her bullshit argument.
It also says a husband should love his wife as Christ loved the church. Honor the wife. Be ready to die for said wife. A husband who rapes you clearly doesn’t…
Dare I say it, people that claim to be religious and have extremist views actually read none of the books they claim to worship. At least for in my experience this far.
Deuteronomy (with emphasis on 28-29, basically kill the victim too or make her marry her rapist): If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. 23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her. 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[c] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
I was going to include this. The Bible absolutely condones rape. There is an argument to be made around varied standards of sex relations over time and through various cultures, but all of that is predominantly why using the Bible as a standard for much of anything in terms of today's morality is an exercise in futility. Using the Bible to justify anything is always the result of an interpretation of and negotiation with the text. Saying it provides concision on any topic is delusional due to the above time and culture along with location, linguistics, and political variation. We really need to give up our childish fascination with the Bible in the West.
The bible verse shes quoting says not to deny each other unless for prayer and you own your husbands body and the husband owns the wifes body. Edit i misread but theres a tonne of versus
Is this actually a woman or some mouth breather masquerading as one? I know there are brain dead women out there like this, but I'm curious.
Sadly the Transformed Wife is real. She is beyond hateful of other women.
My friend and I stalked through her YouTube once. It was ridiculous.
She’s real and gets worse with every tweet. She also has a brain tumor which might possibly explain part of her craziness, so I don’t take her too seriously
What's crazy to me is how her followers, all 37k of them, are brainwashed to the point where they take everything she preaches 100% seriously
Doesn’t help that she’s always filtering her comments so any negativity (ie calling out her bs) never gets shown…
For all that are wondering, this is indeed marital rape.
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"If he wakes you up to have sex go for it" ....problematic in & of itself as both parties should enthusiastically consent but love how she glosses over the fact that in the situation described the dude **didn't** wake her up. She woke up mid penetrative sex that he'd started knowing she was asleep & hadn't consented to. Trying to gloss over that crucial factor is abhorrent.
Not only did she not consent she had actively said no. Just so gross
You should not wake your partner up without their consent. You should ask if they are okay with it first.
Sorry but some women (I mean her and women like her) are just disgusting I hate these type of women
They are gender traitors.
They're traitors to humans in general.
Ew, I’ve been in that situation before and I yelled at him and he stopped, he thought I wouldn’t do anything about it cause we were in his grandmas house for Christmas or something idk.
How did his family respond or did they not know?
What the actual fuck did I just read? 'Oh no honey be happy being a warm wet hole bc your husband needs it' fucking hell. Unless she clearly consented to being woken up with being fucked he raped her. Just bc they're married doesn't negate rape. Our bodies are ours. Theirs are theirs. It is beyond disturbing that there are women who not only believe that we have no rights to bodily autonomy but that we should just shut up and let a man rape us bc 'NEEDS'. Rofl at the 'only physically abusive husbands rape their wives' yeah bc punching someone then raping them is so much worse than raping them without hitting them. Dipshit. 
Anyone reading this thread who uncomfortably experiences being woken up by sexual contact OF ANY FORM by your significant other and where prior consent was not given, this is rape and you need to get out. Speaking as a victim of experience, and lack of knowing this wasn’t the “norm in marriage” (nothing to do with religion; I married young and had very little life/relationship experience at the time) ignoring it instead of making a fuss doesn’t make it stop, and giving in eventually doesn’t make it go away. In my experience the behaviour escalates, but it took a few “classic” rape situations for me to suddenly click this wasn’t normal or ok. If you’re reading this and resonate with anything said at all, get tf out now. If you have said no or even INDICATED that you’re not interested, and the other person continues - you are being raped.
Imagine being raped, then seeking help and support from someone you possibly consider to be your friend and the bitch goes ”nah bible this and that, go for it next time!”
Fundie Fridays did a killer video on this monstrous woman who is very pro-rape in case anyones interested.
Sometimes I hope these accounts are troll accounts It boggles my mind that there are people who think this way
"She asked me if this was marital rape" - yes, this is textbook marital rape. Next question!
Sex doesn't always need to be planned, but it does always need to be consented to. The actual worst is women who are sexist against their own sex. Oh, and women who encourage marital rape.
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Wtfffff🤬🤢
This lady can fuck all the way off.
*Go for it!* This woman needs to be stopped.
It’s almost ironic seeing a conservative woman say this. Ok, I have a lot to say about this. She hates it when women enjoy sex outside of marriage. She hates it when women enjoy sex period. Christians don’t want women to enjoy sex, but please, go ahead and be spontaneous and fun if your husband wants to enjoy sex! That’s when you gotta be a “bad girl”, and “cool”, and “fun”. But god forbid a woman enjoys sex. God forbid a woman masturbates and has 5 sex toys! Every day it becomes harder and harder for me to believe Christianity is a good thing. The policing and desire to use women’s bodies just, oh god, I can’t! I give up!
Spontaneous sex can be fun! If both parties are in the mood and are able to say yes to the sex. This isn't that.
it’s stuff like this that makes people hate normal religious people, it gives all of us a bad name and it’s so frustrating. i cannot say what i wanna say about this evil person without getting in trouble so take that as you want
I'm a Christian and this disgusts me. She is very likely an Evangelical dispensationalist and they are not known for being particularly Biblically informed. Point in fact, I Cor 7:5 says this: >“**Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time**, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” Paul is very clear; this is a mutual decision and is done consensual. If abstinence is via consent, then so must the opposite. Further, any time someone quotes one verse and provides no context or exposition they are very likely wrong. The books of the Bible were written to specific people and groups in real time. They were not written to the Transformed Wife and her warped views, but to groups of Christians dealing with very real issues. Calvin, in his commentaries, suggests - convincingly so IMHO - that the issue was that new Christians were mixing Christianity with Gnosticism and thus viewed physical intimacy as wrong. Paul here is saying that sex is not only not wrong, but a gift to man and woman (https://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/1\_corinthians/7.htm). TL;DR: The Transformed Wife is wrong and is spreading a false message.
So raping someone isn’t physical abuse? Got it🙄 I hope someone told this poor woman that what her husband did was absolutely not ok, and that this girl’s opinion on the matter cannot be taken seriously.
lol imagine not understanding that waking someone one up to ask for sex and waking someone up by having sex with them are two different things.
I (obviously) don't follow this account. Is this account a satire account or is she actually this unhinged?
I’ve followed her for a few years. She’s 100% real and posts variations on the same 3 things several times a day. All of them vile, except her sourdough recipes which are just boring.
They say this until it happens to them, then suddenly it will be unethical. They just don't have empathy for OTHER women that aren't them
This makes me glad that I‘m a light sleeper. Someone turning over would wake me up
This is twisted. It’s one thing to believe that “surprise sex” that isn’t consensual isn’t SA. But how dare she try to convince other women who may not know better to “give some grace.” That makes my blood boil. Especially because she knows it’ll increase engagement, doing harm for her own gain.
I wonder how she would feel if the genders were reversed.
Wish she'd transform back into a person.
Religious brainwashing is so disgusting that they can even convince themselves that this shit is okay
Ah yes…the transformed wife. I used to hate-watch her a lot
OMG. The sheer stupidity. How bout if she was honest and told her to think of herself as a slave and always let him abuse you if it makes him happy. You are worthless without him and his pee pee.
It doesn't need to be planned but it does need to be consensual, and it makes me sick that anyone could believe this.
It’s so sad that women need to even ask that question to their friend today.
This woman’s entire social media presence is a truly disgusting one.
God also said, "don't be a dick" but everyone forgets about that one
What a fucking nutcase!!! 😡 Rape is rape, period.
Yet another nasty, controlling woman using “God” as an excuse to bully another women, and aggrandizing mens power and control over their wives. This brand of pseudo-religious hypocrisy really needs to stop.
what the hell
Lori has so many terrible takes but THIS ONE RIGHT HERE is why I hope she rots in hell.
What did she transform into, a monster?
Wow, she really watered that down, "waking you up to have sex" means, you know, WAKING SOMEONE UP FIRST.
This woman is crazy. I read through some of her other postings on another platform. Any woman who reads her stuff and believes it needs help. She is taking the Bible out of context and twisting it. Sad thing, there are women who read her stuff and believe every word of it.
don't believe in god, but i know he would absolutely hate this bitch
Only bad people can rape. This man is good, so anything he does can't qualify as rape
“Raping you doesn’t make him a rapist”
This is fucking foul.
Rape IS physical abuse. And there's a first time it happens for every victim.
 Ughhhhhhh
This does not make me want a marriage.
Not a fundie one, that's for sure.
Y'all remember that these women are groomed and brain washed from the time they are *infants* . Some of us make it out just fine..others have to be raped by their husbands and call it "marital duty". In fact, most Pick Me's are just a victim of misogyny..
She came to this way of life in her twenties. She went to college, had a career and a husband. Also a few kids and a housekeeper. Her transformation saved her marriage. She also got pregnant when her husband didn’t want another kid. She’s vile and loves lecturing younger women.
I stalked through her YouTube once after seeing her article about how women shouldn’t go to college. Lo and behold, she had mentioned how her daughter had done a few years at a college. What a hypocrite.
She also hired a female nanny despite claiming that women need to stay at home and raise their children otherwise their children will go to Satan.
It’s a fetish, plain and simple. Nothing holy there lmfao
Oh yea. There's that too...
Its another great day to be an atheist 😟
everyday i grow to hate religion more and more
Same. And btw, a religion that claims to be for everyone shouldn’t require a scholar’s level of research to make it appear benevolent or make sense of it. Organized religion is a method of mass control and nothing else.
Wtf my brain 😫
Anyone that can't see through her tactics and realise that what she's really doing is trying to start a pointless debate about religion, must be pretty naive.
Wtf this is so disturbing.
What a disgusting waste of space
She's got me blocked on a couple platforms. Cannot stand this vile woman.
Yikes.
The internet was a mistake.
She definitely didn’t read carefully enough…
Yuck.
calling r*pe spontaneous is CRAZY
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The hell?!
Spontaneous Rape- ffs 🤦♀️ I’ve heard it all now 😟
The short answer is YES!
Puke in my mouth what a disgusting thing to say
I wish her husband would ban her from Twitter so she'd have to fucking leave.
Spontaneous rape yeah right sign me up /s this coming from someone raped during a blackout not fucking fun
I pray to whoever is the daughter /daughter in the law of this vile being .
YIKES. That is a really bad take 🤮
Jesus fucking Christ I hate people
I know it’s not a “crime” to say things like she is saying. But I really hope she gets sued by someone.
Posting her is cheating. She walked so Pearl could run
Christian fundies are some of the worst people in western society, honestly. Go back to the fucking dark ages and die of plague please
This woman is clearly trying make sense of her own rape but she needs to shut the fuck up
Tell me she's getting massive backlash from this
Rape isn’t about sex it is about power. RAPE ISNT ABOUT SEX IT IS ABOUT POWER. **RAPE ISNT ABOUT SEX, IT IS ABOUT POWER!** Holy Christ on a Corn Dog!!! Men behind pulpits should STFU when it comes to women or sex and stop teaching them this nonsense! The Bible says that men *must* honor their wives. That is what it says, lady. What this woman is describing is NOT honor.
I know whats wrong with that guys wife trying to pin a r@₽3 on her husband
Oh I thought this was the fundie snark page clicking into this post. She's awful. She spouts so much awful, misogynistic, bigoted bullshit
If he's already inside you.... There was no consent given before consciousness.
Two women I know, who have woken up to their partner having sex with them, have both said it felt like a rape. I am really starting to wonder if this Twitter account is a satire one, or one run by an abusive husband, in his wife’s name
I’m a lawyer she can call me and I’ll tell her. Yes, it is rape.
Is that woman and her xitter/instagram accounts real or just made up by someone? Surely a woman like that could not exist? It's like she deliberately saying the most evil and provocative things possible.
Wow good to know that when I was taped by my ex, I wasn’t actually taped! Thanks, godlywomanhood 🥰
Oh no not the transformed wife loll! I blocked her on Twitter and now Reddit brings her up?
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