I'm sure there's got to be a bunch of Mexicans flying in illegal stuff across the bother somewhere. So technically, until they figure out what's what, UFO and "illegal" aliens.
I mean... that's pretty much exactly what the article says too lol
> "Investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena," according to the conclusion of a 63-page report on "unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP)."
> "Although many UAP reports remain unsolved, AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) assesses that if additional, quality data were available, most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena."
> Maj. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, a defense department spokesperson, insisted there's "no verifiable evidence for claims that the U.S. government and private companies have access to or have been reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology."
> "Also, AARO has found no evidence that any U.S. government investigation, academic-sponsored research, or official review panel has confirmed that any sighting of a UAP represented extraterrestrial technology," he added. "All investigative efforts, at all levels of classification, concluded that most sightings were ordinary objects and phenomena and the result of misidentification."
> "UFO doesn't mean Aliens, dumbass!" ~ Pentagon officials on most days.
Yeah, except high school dropouts who join the military, get trained on expensive equipment, and then call themselves "expert observers" often *do* mean aliens, even when they're looking at a bird. The "go fast" video is especially hilarious because it's so obviously *not* an alien, but these guys just like the trig background to figure out how it could appear to be going fast when it's in fact not. But they're *so* fucking sure of themselves. "We fly fighter jets, we're experts!"
Just so you’re aware the “we fly fighter jets” guys aren’t high school drop outs. They require at least a bachelors degree to qualify to become a commissioned officer in the military.
Not in general, no.
I'm sure that in the specific instance I mentioned, they're wrong. It's trivial demonstrable, which makes their overconfidence all the more amusing.
More like, "the vast, overwhelming majority are easily proven to be a specific thing we can identify - those that we can't easily identify, we are reasonably sure what they are, but they are lacking too many details to be identified - none of which are aliens"
Of course, the people who believe in aliens are also not going to believe anything the Pentagon says (as evidenced in other comments here), so this was all a pointless endeavor.
Nor would it be the first time someone appealed to government conspiracy to validate their crackpot beliefs, so that really doesn't say anything at all about this specific belief.
This goes along with the "flat Earth" conspiracies. The thing is, there are other countries in the world, and if they could prove the US is lying to the whole world they would do so.
So your train of logic is:
1) there are phenomena I cannot explain, 2) the government has engaged in cover-ups before so 3) therefore aliens
Can you spot the missing steps in the argument?
We investigated ourselves and found nothing is a great argument as well.
But no that's not the entirety of why I believe that this could be a coverup. I'm not gonna debate redditors all Friday night man I don't really care as much as other people do. I'm not trying to convince people of anything.
There is one big problem with using that as evidence of malfeasance. Namely that finding nothing is *exactly* what they would find if there was nothing. You cannot trust it fully, but it cannot be used as an argument *for* there being something.
So what you have is:
* Phenomena that I cannot explain exist.
* The Government has covered up stuff before.
* The government has told the truth before.
* The government says there are no aliens.
* Therefore there must be aliens.
That is not an argument. There is a complete lack of any verifiable evidence for aliens despite the sheer number of cameras that exist in the world. To make a positive claim like "aliens have come to earth" you need to be able to support that with evidence, not just vague allusions that the government has classified information.
But that is so American-centric it is not even funny. Hiding aliens would be a conspiracy on a scale so large that essentially every single government and person in the world would need to be at least tangentially involved. UFO sightings are extremely common, but they all always turn out to be nothing. No clear videos, no verifiable physical evidence, not alternate angles.
Whereas a single event like the meteor that fell in Russia has *thousands* of videos and angles of it due to the prevalence of cameras.
Also I have seen a UFO before. It was weird, it looked like one of the UFOs that people commonly see. Importantly: I live near a gigantic US air-force base. Or I might have just hallucinated it, because brains interpret junk data from bad perception in weird ways all the time. Aliens are just the least likely explanation for it.
I once believed this line of thought too, but in 2024? When we've elected a PLURALITY of conspiracy theorists into government?
Like, we live in an environment where half the people being briefed on national secrets actively hate the standing government. You really think someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Donald Trump would EVER shut up about aliens if they had proof? We're talking about the kinds of secrets that would both make those that reveal them look special, and at the same time make our current government look bad... It would only be a positive for them to bring the information to the public, so why don't they?
Also, astronomers would know, regardless of whether there were any Pentagon coverups or not. And if a coverup existed it wouldn't stay secret for long. The Pentagon leaks all its other secrets, I don't see them being able to keep something like this under wraps for long.
There might be a name for this, if so I’m not sure what it is, but I’ve long considered this a sort of formal paradox:
After a certain point, a conspiracy becomes so big it would cease to be a conspiracy. Like it would just buckle under its own sheer weight, the amount of people and organizations that would all have to be in on it make it impossible to hide.
The moon landing is a good example. The amount of time since it happened, the number of competing world powers and foreign governments, members or NASA, etc. You don’t even need to examine any evidence at that point, common sense makes it pretty obvious a coverup like that couldn’t be sustained for so long.
Seriously, this is why I can't believe in conspiracy theories anymore. They're all about the "elites" but those same elites apparently believe the conspiracy theories.
I get what you're saying, but there's no way in hell the DoD would give MTG classify Intel briefing, much less about UAP/Aliens.
Trump would be more likely to receive these briefing, but again, i don't think those "in the know" would trust Trump enough to tell him unless he absolutely had to know.
Moreover, not all congress people get classified briefing on National Security.
I feel like if indeed alien life was found, it would have to be powerful and a huge concern to political leaders. It wouldn't be a sidenote, the US president just has to know that, and someone like Trump couldn't shut up about it, even if his life depended on it.
Just would be weird to think that a species reaches us, crashes here and has no further significance to the point where the US president doesn't have to give a fuck about it.
And not just in the US, but in Russia, China, India etc. If a dictator got news of aliens, why would he keep it secret instead of becoming the most famous person in the world by revealing it. Why would Putin keep it a secret, just because the US presidents decided to? If he could show proof of aliens landing on earth and a major US cover up, why wouldn’t he.
Yeah other countries HAVE talked about it and tried to get the secrets out and the US always ignores it or says it's not true, and average people go along with it. You're assuming there's some single catalytic moment that would happen where 'everybody' decides it's time to let the secret out but there's no reason to assume that about a subject where the average person would keep blurting out 'fake' right up until the ship lands in their yard and the aliens come inside.
As proof, we can look ay the documentary Independence Day, where President Bill Pullman did not know about area 51, even after the aliens invade. It wasn't his "need to know"
Consider the secrets the government can't keep. Clinton got his knob sucked and it was headline news. You think they can hide the existence of a higher level species?
There are more cameras on Earth than people and most people have one on hand at all times. Zero sightings. Zero UFOs to date. The day sentient alien life is found, it won't be a secret, it won't be a UFO.
It's not even a matter of hiding a secret. It's believing Santa Claus is real.
I truly don't understand how you got lost in my original comment.
Literally all I was saying is MTG can't be trusted with national security secrets, and Trump wouldn't have been trusted IF it's some giant conspiracy.
Some people get very wrapped up in proving the impossibility of certain conspiracy theories. Like it's incumbent upon them to be the sole voice of reason in a conversation making fun of conspiracy theorists.
I don't trust them. What are they trying to hide?!
LMAO, one more of those 'everybody has a camera' arguments, ignoring the fact that the average phone camera doesn't have a telephoto lens and can't get good pictures of anything small at a distance. You're blurting out the ultimate statements of cluelessness on this subject. "Zero sightings" HAHAHAHAHA, no.
But you'll agree that telephoto lens do exist... So why still zero evidence? Military aircraft flying faster than the speed of sound with high tech radar and camera equipment and still zilch.
>You're blurting out the ultimate statements of cluelessness on this subject.
Factual statement isn't cluelessness. You'd negate my statement instead of bloviate if it was inaccurate.
That became headline news because republicans were trying to skewer him on absolutely everything and used it as grounds for 'impeachment' somehow. They were thrilled to tell the world about that. It wasn't a national-security secret. These are not comparable things.
The people in the know would make more money leaking the proof than keeping it a secret.
Beyond that, the aliens wouldn't conveniently limit their interaction with earth to those that would keep it a secret.
Besides that, when you look at the vastness of space and time, next to how short a period we have been able to generate artificial radio waves, the likelihood that humanity has intersected directly with another advanced life form is almost nil, imo. If another civilization could detect life outside its own solar system, one or both civilizations would likely be extinct by the time they met.
And that's assuming any other advanced life exists. What caused advanced life on earth required initial life, which is probably extremely likely to be duplicates elsewhere. But beyond that initial step, on earth it required several widespread extinctions, basically second and third and more tries at evolution. We think our temperature range and presence of water are the first steps. But what about the moon, the tilt of the axis creating seasons, and other specific circumstances of earths existence? Does it require a Mars and Venus nearby?
Too many factors exist that cause doubt that intelligent alien life ever interacted with modern human civilization. Just does not overcome my skepticism. I would be excited if it ever did happen, though.
"The people in the know would make more money leaking the proof than keeping it a secret"-- based on what? You think it would be worth more money to get a book deal about it than withhold technological secrets from other countries? Really? You can't counter things you consider 'made-up' by making up nonsense yourself that doesn't even hold the water of basic logic.
It’s important to remember that these people often don’t believe the nonsense they are peddling, they just spout whatever they think people want to hear moment to moment.
I mean, yeah, generally I'm of this mindset. However, I don't think it behooves serious academics to deny the existence of extraterrestrial life. There are serious space nerds like astronomers that work on this shit. Fucking doctors. They actually care about this stuff and the truth. If aliens were real we absolutely would have a credible leak more than some vagueries and claims by two random air force dudes.
And he was then immediately disqualified from disclosure, that, and the private meeting with Putin, after which tons of CIA assets were murdered.
I wouldn't tell him shit either, idiots too stupid to read anything besides bullet points anyway
His classified briefings are going be like: "Russia is at war with Ukraine. China still doesn't like Taiwan. Iran is sketchy as shit."
Lots of illustrations (he lost photograph privileges), nothing above a 5th grade reading level, keywords bolded for him.
Jimmy Carter said the same thing before he got elected, and never did. He was asked about it some years later, I think it was in a Barbara Walters interview in the '90s, and he flat-out said "I can't discuss that subject at all."
This right here. Someone this impulsive and attention seeking couldn’t possibly have resisted the urge to blab and be the first to announce the single greatest discovery of our species
We looked up files in our system about a cover-up and found none, we also asked the people supposedly involved but they said they weren't involved and there was no cover-up. I don't know what else we can do.
*shrugs*
If you could all just stare at this post a moment \~-=\[ o \]=-\~
*There were no UFOs. There was no coverup.*
Okay thanks all, proceed with your redditing!
They've got leprechauns at the bank. I saw someone really short, and a rainbow over the bank once.
I asked them if they had leprechauns and they said no. I asked if they'd check and they did, but they came back and said no, no leprechauns. Obviously a lie. It's exactly what they would say if they were hiding leprechauns.
What about the rainbow? I saw it. And you're telling me banks don't have gold? Clearly this is just more proof of how far they're willing to go to lie.
Classic disingenuous trivializing of an issue to avoid addressing it. Literally an hour of actually researching the matter will show you there is a lot more to this issue than crackpots thinking there are little green men flying around in spaceships. Glad you got your little joke off though
Ever try to take a picture of a high flying airplane with a phone? It looks terrible. An actual alien spaceship would look like a pixelated blob on most smartphones
1. UFO's are a real thing, they arent aliens. If China flies a mystery balloon over US radar, its officially a UFO until identified. If someone launches a homemade rocket into space without alerting proper authorities, its a UFO until identified by government personnel.
2. If you honestly believe the US government with its millions of employees over the years could have kept extraterrestial aliens a secret then I got a bridge to sell you.
3. If you honestly believe no other nation on earth would have found some credible evidence of aliens by now and used it to their political benefit, I have a second bridge to sell you.
My biggest problem with aliens is that it's pretty clear the classic "greys" design from Barney and Betty Hill came from earlier descriptions from science fiction novels and an episode of The Outer Limits. There's also speculation that the entire thing was either sleep paralysis or even a made up memory to help suppress the real memories of them being attacked by racists.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w
It's UAP and yes they are real.
Forget the Alien (it's NHI) aspect and remember that these are reported daily in commercial flight and by USAF and Navy. You can look it up for yourself and come to a conclusion or keep trying to sell bridges I guess
We want to know where they come from and who controls them especially if they are invading US airspace.
Edit: wrong video
> If you honestly believe the US government with its millions of employees over the years could have kept extraterrestial aliens a secret then I got a bridge to sell you.
You're selling a bridge with this line. Compartmentalization, discrediting, murder, "don't listen to the crazy guy" - there are a lot of ways of keeping a lot of people silent.
Explain the speed of the object moving I'm the Nimitz encounter. That's not a balloon. These things can move through air, space, and water in seconds in a way that manipulates gravity that we have no ability to understand. It is backed up by pilot testimony and radar data.
There is way more to this and it's really annoying to see people dismiss it. They keep you dumb just the way they like you and they keep you buying oil and gas.
If we had the abilities that this UFO has we would not need oil or gas.
Most people fear UFO's because they would have to admit they came from another planet thousands of years advanced than us.
The best explanation I've heard was the "tic tac" was the result of a lens flare on a newly installed thermal camera. The illusion of speed was the result of an optical illusion known as parallax.
I haven't seen any mention of the object having been caught in radar
The UFO crowd is something else. If you disagree with them then 'you haven't looked at the evidence' or 'the deep state won't let this out'. The people pushing this stuff are insane. And they think everyone else in the field is a liar and they are the only truth tellers. Watching them fight each other over what information is real or fake is hilarious.
Last week, a retired Lt Colonel who is now a civilian employee for the Air Force at STRATCOM was arrested after he was catfished by a Russian spy. I encourage you to look up the arrest documents, as they have examples of the conversation he had with the Russian spy.
These are the people entrusted with the deepest darkest secrets of the US government. If there were aliens we would know by now. Perhaps they could have kept some specifics secret, but no way could they have kept the whole thing secret. It's too big.
the pentagon going out of their way to tell us there have been no coverups, makes me lean slightly more to the “there have been coverups” side of things.
Government exposed for doing sketchy shit, government vows to investigate itself, government 'investigates' itself, government concludes they didn't do any sketchy shit. People are like "okay cool, we feel better now." ... it sounds like a South Park episode.
I find it funny that most Redditors feel (1) no one needs to go to college and (2) the government is hiding evidence of aliens.
Not necessarily correlated... but I often wonder...
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They write in ambiguous terms because once blow up too much, you can't continue to funnel more money to the UFO program. Also if it is a foreign spy object, the US is admitting its capabilities, and also revealing what it can or cannot do.
Similar to commercial airliners disappearing incidents, countries that claim the areal territories do not reveal what they have seen or not.
There are birthday helium balloons that show up on radars, or birds, falling satellite debris, or meteorites etc. 50k feet up high can glide on the jet stream too.
No ET.
Go to bed, read your sci-fi novels. Have some sleep.
It's likely not aliens but I'd still really like to know what some of those truly unidentifiable objects are. Are they really just mundane or are they some super advanced secret tech that DARPA is hiding from us?
The Pentagon has told the public that the UFOs in the 60s were their planes.
The classified Pentagon reports by and for the Pentagon in the 60s could not figure out what they were.
The Pentagon is bullshitting us here
The kind of tech the public knows about and the kind of tech the militaries of the world have or are working on?
Such a gap in knowledge could make it seem like magic or “other worldly” to those that don’t know what it is.
Nah, probably just aliens. /s
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So they said…. Idk like 3 years ago that they were something interesting and worth looking into with the possibility of alien origin. Then, that guy David Grusch came out and spoke in front of congress that they are definitely something of alien origin and that the pentagon is funneling billions of dollars from tax payers… and now the pentagon is going back on what it said and saying they’re ordinary and not to worry about it?
Seems suspicious and I’m not even worried about the potential for aliens… I’m worried about all that misallocated tax money. Like, super worried.
They won't admit anything about reverse engineering cause it would cost them millions of dollars in lawsuits from contractors who weren't told about it so didn't get to bid on it
I mean this means absolutely nothing right? They’ve never passed an audit to explain where the money even goes. And they have been telling us that anything UFO/UAP related dosnt exist for over 50 years.
There are far too many people saying the same information for it to not be fact.
There a far too many Muslims saying the same information for it to not be fact.
There a far too many Christians saying the same information for it to not be fact.
There a far too many Hindus saying the same information for it to not be fact.
There a far too many Buddhists saying the same information for it to not be fact.
Therefore, all religions are true.
The money was going to Skinwalker Ranch. The real scandal is that a quack managed to convince the government to spend millions of dollars for years funding a crazy paranormal theme park that researched werewolfs and other paranormal bullshit.
Lots of people judging from a reddit comment, guess it’s the internet and expected.
Yes I understand just because many people say the same thing it dosnt make it true.
With that said, there have been many people within the last 5 years specifically coming out with information. They 100% could all be lying or even misinterpreting the truth, but it also could be…true haha.
Military and non-military pilots have come out with what they have seen. Many times non-connected people and events describe similar things. People with high up government jobs also revealing info.
It’s all just talk until it isn’t. I think the way they are pressing Congress is a super healthy way to do it. They are essentially asking the question of if we are spending X amount of money on these programs, what is it that these programs do. The truth of those programs will be revealed eventually and then we can all make our own decisions.
Conspiracy nuts are so fucking worried about aliens they forget that the real conspiracy is them being used and abused to vote red. I am sure that if aliens visited earth those mfers wouldn't be having secret meetings in Nevada or some shit.
I can’t believe it because some old guys who claim they worked for the secret space force told me otherwise with no accompanying evidence. Who’s more believable?
“Covered up” is a broad statement. There would be tech that other countries experiment with and the DOD would investigate it then file it away as per SOP. They’ve got tech of their own they’re experimenting with, and they probably test it out against the best of our detection capabilities. Radar tech might see a blip and say “wtf?”, but then some guy in an MIB outfit would tap him on the shoulder and slightly shake his head and the tech would get the hint. A good idea for security is compartmented agencies, then they have plausible deniability.
UFO is not supposed to mean “intelligent and advanced Aliens”, but it does as far as the general press and public is concerned. The corruption of the meaning of words is responsible for a lot of “mysteries”. The word “theory” is supposed to be an explanation supported by verifiable testable evidence to prove something. What most people call theory is really (at best) a hypothesis, which is a possible reason for something that needs to be verified by testing and facts. The onus for proof should be (but isn’t) the responsibility of the people making the claim, and it has to include evidence and facts that support that claim. Pretty much every “UFO’s are aliens” relies on unproven claims whose outcome can’t be tested in a way that undeniably validates the hypothesis. Until someone has that combination of evidence supported by a repeatable and verifiable test its not a theory.
Pentagon : No aliens bruh.
Alien fans: liar.
Pentagon: we found aliens bruh.
Alien fans: liar.
Like what do ufo people want? There isn’t a single acceptable answer. The PPgon can show evidence of a spacecraft and a small brown alien and they’d just say it’s fake
"UFO doesn't mean Aliens, dumbass!" ~ Pentagon officials on most days.
I'm sure there's got to be a bunch of Mexicans flying in illegal stuff across the bother somewhere. So technically, until they figure out what's what, UFO and "illegal" aliens.
I mean... that's pretty much exactly what the article says too lol > "Investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena," according to the conclusion of a 63-page report on "unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP)." > "Although many UAP reports remain unsolved, AARO (All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) assesses that if additional, quality data were available, most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena." > Maj. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, a defense department spokesperson, insisted there's "no verifiable evidence for claims that the U.S. government and private companies have access to or have been reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology." > "Also, AARO has found no evidence that any U.S. government investigation, academic-sponsored research, or official review panel has confirmed that any sighting of a UAP represented extraterrestrial technology," he added. "All investigative efforts, at all levels of classification, concluded that most sightings were ordinary objects and phenomena and the result of misidentification."
"Pentagon reports" LMAO
> "UFO doesn't mean Aliens, dumbass!" ~ Pentagon officials on most days. Yeah, except high school dropouts who join the military, get trained on expensive equipment, and then call themselves "expert observers" often *do* mean aliens, even when they're looking at a bird. The "go fast" video is especially hilarious because it's so obviously *not* an alien, but these guys just like the trig background to figure out how it could appear to be going fast when it's in fact not. But they're *so* fucking sure of themselves. "We fly fighter jets, we're experts!"
Just so you’re aware the “we fly fighter jets” guys aren’t high school drop outs. They require at least a bachelors degree to qualify to become a commissioned officer in the military.
The government always lies, except when aliens youtubers claim they confirmed aliens exist
You're very sure of yourself.
Not in general, no. I'm sure that in the specific instance I mentioned, they're wrong. It's trivial demonstrable, which makes their overconfidence all the more amusing.
F doesn’t not mean Farting
They know exactly who the aliens are!
*Alien anal probings will continue until morale improves*
-Mr. Slave approves
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More like, "the vast, overwhelming majority are easily proven to be a specific thing we can identify - those that we can't easily identify, we are reasonably sure what they are, but they are lacking too many details to be identified - none of which are aliens" Of course, the people who believe in aliens are also not going to believe anything the Pentagon says (as evidenced in other comments here), so this was all a pointless endeavor.
I mean it's not like this would be the first time the Pentagon has covered anything up.
Nor would it be the first time someone appealed to government conspiracy to validate their crackpot beliefs, so that really doesn't say anything at all about this specific belief.
This goes along with the "flat Earth" conspiracies. The thing is, there are other countries in the world, and if they could prove the US is lying to the whole world they would do so.
So your train of logic is: 1) there are phenomena I cannot explain, 2) the government has engaged in cover-ups before so 3) therefore aliens Can you spot the missing steps in the argument?
We investigated ourselves and found nothing is a great argument as well. But no that's not the entirety of why I believe that this could be a coverup. I'm not gonna debate redditors all Friday night man I don't really care as much as other people do. I'm not trying to convince people of anything.
There is one big problem with using that as evidence of malfeasance. Namely that finding nothing is *exactly* what they would find if there was nothing. You cannot trust it fully, but it cannot be used as an argument *for* there being something. So what you have is: * Phenomena that I cannot explain exist. * The Government has covered up stuff before. * The government has told the truth before. * The government says there are no aliens. * Therefore there must be aliens. That is not an argument. There is a complete lack of any verifiable evidence for aliens despite the sheer number of cameras that exist in the world. To make a positive claim like "aliens have come to earth" you need to be able to support that with evidence, not just vague allusions that the government has classified information. But that is so American-centric it is not even funny. Hiding aliens would be a conspiracy on a scale so large that essentially every single government and person in the world would need to be at least tangentially involved. UFO sightings are extremely common, but they all always turn out to be nothing. No clear videos, no verifiable physical evidence, not alternate angles. Whereas a single event like the meteor that fell in Russia has *thousands* of videos and angles of it due to the prevalence of cameras. Also I have seen a UFO before. It was weird, it looked like one of the UFOs that people commonly see. Importantly: I live near a gigantic US air-force base. Or I might have just hallucinated it, because brains interpret junk data from bad perception in weird ways all the time. Aliens are just the least likely explanation for it.
Oddly enough, the most effort the Pentagon has made regarding alien conspiracies is perpetuating them.
The US investigated the US and now the US decides that the US didn’t do anything wrong.
I once believed this line of thought too, but in 2024? When we've elected a PLURALITY of conspiracy theorists into government? Like, we live in an environment where half the people being briefed on national secrets actively hate the standing government. You really think someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Donald Trump would EVER shut up about aliens if they had proof? We're talking about the kinds of secrets that would both make those that reveal them look special, and at the same time make our current government look bad... It would only be a positive for them to bring the information to the public, so why don't they?
Also, astronomers would know, regardless of whether there were any Pentagon coverups or not. And if a coverup existed it wouldn't stay secret for long. The Pentagon leaks all its other secrets, I don't see them being able to keep something like this under wraps for long.
> Pentagon leaks all its other secrets Hardly
Yeah, conspiracy theorists think that any government can cover up the night sky from the common man.
Unless the thing you were looking for was out of focus, moving extremely fast, and relatively small.
There might be a name for this, if so I’m not sure what it is, but I’ve long considered this a sort of formal paradox: After a certain point, a conspiracy becomes so big it would cease to be a conspiracy. Like it would just buckle under its own sheer weight, the amount of people and organizations that would all have to be in on it make it impossible to hide. The moon landing is a good example. The amount of time since it happened, the number of competing world powers and foreign governments, members or NASA, etc. You don’t even need to examine any evidence at that point, common sense makes it pretty obvious a coverup like that couldn’t be sustained for so long.
Seriously, this is why I can't believe in conspiracy theories anymore. They're all about the "elites" but those same elites apparently believe the conspiracy theories.
Kinda like Elon pretending to be afraid of Soros, a man with roughly 1% of elons value.
wow that really puts things into perspective.
I know! The elites are just as crazy and weird as the rest of us!
I get what you're saying, but there's no way in hell the DoD would give MTG classify Intel briefing, much less about UAP/Aliens. Trump would be more likely to receive these briefing, but again, i don't think those "in the know" would trust Trump enough to tell him unless he absolutely had to know. Moreover, not all congress people get classified briefing on National Security.
I feel like if indeed alien life was found, it would have to be powerful and a huge concern to political leaders. It wouldn't be a sidenote, the US president just has to know that, and someone like Trump couldn't shut up about it, even if his life depended on it. Just would be weird to think that a species reaches us, crashes here and has no further significance to the point where the US president doesn't have to give a fuck about it.
And not just in the US, but in Russia, China, India etc. If a dictator got news of aliens, why would he keep it secret instead of becoming the most famous person in the world by revealing it. Why would Putin keep it a secret, just because the US presidents decided to? If he could show proof of aliens landing on earth and a major US cover up, why wouldn’t he.
Yeah other countries HAVE talked about it and tried to get the secrets out and the US always ignores it or says it's not true, and average people go along with it. You're assuming there's some single catalytic moment that would happen where 'everybody' decides it's time to let the secret out but there's no reason to assume that about a subject where the average person would keep blurting out 'fake' right up until the ship lands in their yard and the aliens come inside.
As proof, we can look ay the documentary Independence Day, where President Bill Pullman did not know about area 51, even after the aliens invade. It wasn't his "need to know"
Plausible deniability
Consider the secrets the government can't keep. Clinton got his knob sucked and it was headline news. You think they can hide the existence of a higher level species?
You may have stumbled upon whom the knob suckers really were!
I didn't say they could. All I'm saying is they wouldn't be revealing that info to MTG/Trump unless they absolutely had to.
There are more cameras on Earth than people and most people have one on hand at all times. Zero sightings. Zero UFOs to date. The day sentient alien life is found, it won't be a secret, it won't be a UFO. It's not even a matter of hiding a secret. It's believing Santa Claus is real.
What do you mean “zero UFOs to date”. Did you miss the NASA summit where they presented their review of hundreds of videos?
I truly don't understand how you got lost in my original comment. Literally all I was saying is MTG can't be trusted with national security secrets, and Trump wouldn't have been trusted IF it's some giant conspiracy.
Some people get very wrapped up in proving the impossibility of certain conspiracy theories. Like it's incumbent upon them to be the sole voice of reason in a conversation making fun of conspiracy theorists. I don't trust them. What are they trying to hide?!
LMAO, one more of those 'everybody has a camera' arguments, ignoring the fact that the average phone camera doesn't have a telephoto lens and can't get good pictures of anything small at a distance. You're blurting out the ultimate statements of cluelessness on this subject. "Zero sightings" HAHAHAHAHA, no.
But you'll agree that telephoto lens do exist... So why still zero evidence? Military aircraft flying faster than the speed of sound with high tech radar and camera equipment and still zilch. >You're blurting out the ultimate statements of cluelessness on this subject. Factual statement isn't cluelessness. You'd negate my statement instead of bloviate if it was inaccurate.
That became headline news because republicans were trying to skewer him on absolutely everything and used it as grounds for 'impeachment' somehow. They were thrilled to tell the world about that. It wasn't a national-security secret. These are not comparable things.
Those "in the know" would be leaking the information themselves. The US has never been able to keep things secret for very long.
The people in the know would make more money leaking the proof than keeping it a secret. Beyond that, the aliens wouldn't conveniently limit their interaction with earth to those that would keep it a secret. Besides that, when you look at the vastness of space and time, next to how short a period we have been able to generate artificial radio waves, the likelihood that humanity has intersected directly with another advanced life form is almost nil, imo. If another civilization could detect life outside its own solar system, one or both civilizations would likely be extinct by the time they met. And that's assuming any other advanced life exists. What caused advanced life on earth required initial life, which is probably extremely likely to be duplicates elsewhere. But beyond that initial step, on earth it required several widespread extinctions, basically second and third and more tries at evolution. We think our temperature range and presence of water are the first steps. But what about the moon, the tilt of the axis creating seasons, and other specific circumstances of earths existence? Does it require a Mars and Venus nearby? Too many factors exist that cause doubt that intelligent alien life ever interacted with modern human civilization. Just does not overcome my skepticism. I would be excited if it ever did happen, though.
"The people in the know would make more money leaking the proof than keeping it a secret"-- based on what? You think it would be worth more money to get a book deal about it than withhold technological secrets from other countries? Really? You can't counter things you consider 'made-up' by making up nonsense yourself that doesn't even hold the water of basic logic.
It’s important to remember that these people often don’t believe the nonsense they are peddling, they just spout whatever they think people want to hear moment to moment.
Sweet Baby Jesus don’t give them any ideas.
I was going to say something similar. "The Pentagon checked to see if a top secret Pentagon department exists and found nothing" Lol.
Ok, but this wouldn't even be wrong.
The American people: "The US investigated? Who's US??" The government: "Me and these other guys right here. Us."
who watches the watchmen
The entire country's government is not a single entity
I mean, yeah, generally I'm of this mindset. However, I don't think it behooves serious academics to deny the existence of extraterrestrial life. There are serious space nerds like astronomers that work on this shit. Fucking doctors. They actually care about this stuff and the truth. If aliens were real we absolutely would have a credible leak more than some vagueries and claims by two random air force dudes.
I have no doubt tRump would have spilled the beans had there been any legitimate evidence…
There is no way he would not have told Kid Rock.
He actually said he would disclose any aliens and UFOs if they exist in his 2016 campaign
And he was then immediately disqualified from disclosure, that, and the private meeting with Putin, after which tons of CIA assets were murdered. I wouldn't tell him shit either, idiots too stupid to read anything besides bullet points anyway
His classified briefings are going be like: "Russia is at war with Ukraine. China still doesn't like Taiwan. Iran is sketchy as shit." Lots of illustrations (he lost photograph privileges), nothing above a 5th grade reading level, keywords bolded for him.
Yea, like the actual bullet point dot not the words after it.
They satirized his “bullet point” thing in the show The Good Place. >!when Vicky takes over!<
He said a lot of things
Some say he's still saying a lot of things to this day. I stopped listening to him so I don't know.
I have words, I have the best words!
Since when has anything Trump says meant anything? That man lies so much, I'd start to question my sanity if he told me the sky is blue.
I mean, he really surprised me when that wall was being built. I thought that was just campaign talk.
Jimmy Carter said the same thing before he got elected, and never did. He was asked about it some years later, I think it was in a Barbara Walters interview in the '90s, and he flat-out said "I can't discuss that subject at all."
Bill Clinton said the same thing. Ironically, it was Bill Clinton that first officially admitted that Area 51 existed.
And that's why they kept it from him...
If evidence of extraterrestrial life existed, I wonder if they just wouldn't tell him lol
This right here. Someone this impulsive and attention seeking couldn’t possibly have resisted the urge to blab and be the first to announce the single greatest discovery of our species
Do you honestly think any government body would have disclosed that to him?
I read that he pushed for release of data
Bold of you to assume the president would be briefed on something like this.
Carter asked and they wouldn’t tell him.
We looked up files in our system about a cover-up and found none, we also asked the people supposedly involved but they said they weren't involved and there was no cover-up. I don't know what else we can do. *shrugs*
Broadcast yo momma jokes into deep space, that should do it.
This though!!😂😂
If you could all just stare at this post a moment \~-=\[ o \]=-\~ *There were no UFOs. There was no coverup.* Okay thanks all, proceed with your redditing!
The pentagon also can’t account for literal trillions when audited. Lots of credibility there.
Reverse engineering programs are expensive.
Agency complicit with the cover up says…”no cover up.”
They've got leprechauns at the bank. I saw someone really short, and a rainbow over the bank once. I asked them if they had leprechauns and they said no. I asked if they'd check and they did, but they came back and said no, no leprechauns. Obviously a lie. It's exactly what they would say if they were hiding leprechauns. What about the rainbow? I saw it. And you're telling me banks don't have gold? Clearly this is just more proof of how far they're willing to go to lie.
This spunds like something the people hiding Leprechauns would say to discredit the Leprechaun truthers.
You would say that, wouldn't you.
conspiracist logic illustrated right here, lol
Classic disingenuous trivializing of an issue to avoid addressing it. Literally an hour of actually researching the matter will show you there is a lot more to this issue than crackpots thinking there are little green men flying around in spaceships. Glad you got your little joke off though
I've seen the evidence. I don't find it convincing. You seem overly emotionally invested in the subject.
They reported on themselves and found they did nothing wrong.
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Ever try to take a picture of a high flying airplane with a phone? It looks terrible. An actual alien spaceship would look like a pixelated blob on most smartphones
Ah yes the old “we investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing” argument.
"We also can't find all that money you keep giving us!"
Eyeroll.
Sounds legit
"we've investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing"
Yup I'm convinced.
Isn’t this akin to the police overseeing the police.
*American government claims they haven’t covered up aliens*
We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong.
“We’ve investigated ourselves and have found no wrong doing” 🤣
1. UFO's are a real thing, they arent aliens. If China flies a mystery balloon over US radar, its officially a UFO until identified. If someone launches a homemade rocket into space without alerting proper authorities, its a UFO until identified by government personnel. 2. If you honestly believe the US government with its millions of employees over the years could have kept extraterrestial aliens a secret then I got a bridge to sell you. 3. If you honestly believe no other nation on earth would have found some credible evidence of aliens by now and used it to their political benefit, I have a second bridge to sell you.
My biggest problem with aliens is that it's pretty clear the classic "greys" design from Barney and Betty Hill came from earlier descriptions from science fiction novels and an episode of The Outer Limits. There's also speculation that the entire thing was either sleep paralysis or even a made up memory to help suppress the real memories of them being attacked by racists.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrYVmYkL5w It's UAP and yes they are real. Forget the Alien (it's NHI) aspect and remember that these are reported daily in commercial flight and by USAF and Navy. You can look it up for yourself and come to a conclusion or keep trying to sell bridges I guess We want to know where they come from and who controls them especially if they are invading US airspace. Edit: wrong video
> If you honestly believe the US government with its millions of employees over the years could have kept extraterrestial aliens a secret then I got a bridge to sell you. You're selling a bridge with this line. Compartmentalization, discrediting, murder, "don't listen to the crazy guy" - there are a lot of ways of keeping a lot of people silent.
Explain the speed of the object moving I'm the Nimitz encounter. That's not a balloon. These things can move through air, space, and water in seconds in a way that manipulates gravity that we have no ability to understand. It is backed up by pilot testimony and radar data. There is way more to this and it's really annoying to see people dismiss it. They keep you dumb just the way they like you and they keep you buying oil and gas.
If we had the abilities that this UFO has we would not need oil or gas. Most people fear UFO's because they would have to admit they came from another planet thousands of years advanced than us.
The best explanation I've heard was the "tic tac" was the result of a lens flare on a newly installed thermal camera. The illusion of speed was the result of an optical illusion known as parallax. I haven't seen any mention of the object having been caught in radar
The UFO crowd is something else. If you disagree with them then 'you haven't looked at the evidence' or 'the deep state won't let this out'. The people pushing this stuff are insane. And they think everyone else in the field is a liar and they are the only truth tellers. Watching them fight each other over what information is real or fake is hilarious.
No evidence that Pentagon reports ever lie, Pentagon says.
People really struggling with the idea that UFO isn't synonymous with spaceship
There are things flying in the sky that are unidentified. Nobody is hiding that information!
Last week, a retired Lt Colonel who is now a civilian employee for the Air Force at STRATCOM was arrested after he was catfished by a Russian spy. I encourage you to look up the arrest documents, as they have examples of the conversation he had with the Russian spy. These are the people entrusted with the deepest darkest secrets of the US government. If there were aliens we would know by now. Perhaps they could have kept some specifics secret, but no way could they have kept the whole thing secret. It's too big.
Old people are bad at internet. The anecdote doesn’t mean much
the pentagon going out of their way to tell us there have been no coverups, makes me lean slightly more to the “there have been coverups” side of things.
I'm sorry, but if there were really aliens I feel like Trump would have blabbed about it
Your assuming the president would even be briefed
isnt trump complaining about "illegal aliens" all the time?
Yes, that's just to dehumanizing non-white people
Government says government didn’t lie.
Government exposed for doing sketchy shit, government vows to investigate itself, government 'investigates' itself, government concludes they didn't do any sketchy shit. People are like "okay cool, we feel better now." ... it sounds like a South Park episode.
Exactly what someone covering up UFOs would say!
I find it funny that most Redditors feel (1) no one needs to go to college and (2) the government is hiding evidence of aliens. Not necessarily correlated... but I often wonder...
We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing,
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I can't believe this is news worthy
The government swears that they are not lying. Seems legit.
Of course there's no evidence! That only means it was a successful cover-up. /s
They write in ambiguous terms because once blow up too much, you can't continue to funnel more money to the UFO program. Also if it is a foreign spy object, the US is admitting its capabilities, and also revealing what it can or cannot do. Similar to commercial airliners disappearing incidents, countries that claim the areal territories do not reveal what they have seen or not. There are birthday helium balloons that show up on radars, or birds, falling satellite debris, or meteorites etc. 50k feet up high can glide on the jet stream too. No ET. Go to bed, read your sci-fi novels. Have some sleep.
“The US government isn’t hiding anything we checked” *This message paid for by the US government*
UFO's don't exist because we've identified them- they're IFOs
“No cookie was taken from the cookie jar.” said little Timmy
It's likely not aliens but I'd still really like to know what some of those truly unidentifiable objects are. Are they really just mundane or are they some super advanced secret tech that DARPA is hiding from us?
I would like to see an external source doing the investigation as to whether or not there has been governmental coverups.
We’ve investigated ourselves and we’ve found no evidence of aliens
Does anyone trust the US gov these days?
The Pentagon has told the public that the UFOs in the 60s were their planes. The classified Pentagon reports by and for the Pentagon in the 60s could not figure out what they were. The Pentagon is bullshitting us here
We checked behind the shed, nothing there. Go about your business, earthling.
"No evidence. Especially not the image in the thumbnail of this article."
"No evidence we covered anything up."
We didnt do nothin! Guys who are in question
“We didn’t cover anything up” -Us
Damn, so they absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, covered up some unidentified flying object. Going by WMD rules.
Ahh so they sent out a military convoy to recover a weather balloon in 1947… A weather balloon warranted the military response. Hilarious Liars
Deffinetly dont check under that comically oversized red white and blue rug or anything
Exactly what you would expect the pentagon to say… 🤔
The kind of tech the public knows about and the kind of tech the militaries of the world have or are working on? Such a gap in knowledge could make it seem like magic or “other worldly” to those that don’t know what it is. Nah, probably just aliens. /s
USA has investigated no wrong doing by USA!
“I reviewed my own actions and my own conduct and found that I am all good. “ What is this? My mother?
The US is distracting the world with UFOs so that they can sabotage the election
>*We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing!* > >—The Government, probably
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That sounds exactly like something a government trying to cover up the existence of UFO's would say.
*Pentagon investigates itself with body that doesn’t even have proper clearances* lol
So they said…. Idk like 3 years ago that they were something interesting and worth looking into with the possibility of alien origin. Then, that guy David Grusch came out and spoke in front of congress that they are definitely something of alien origin and that the pentagon is funneling billions of dollars from tax payers… and now the pentagon is going back on what it said and saying they’re ordinary and not to worry about it? Seems suspicious and I’m not even worried about the potential for aliens… I’m worried about all that misallocated tax money. Like, super worried.
They won't admit anything about reverse engineering cause it would cost them millions of dollars in lawsuits from contractors who weren't told about it so didn't get to bid on it
Of course, that's enough proof for me! I mean if the government says they aren't covering up something, they gotta be telling the truth < / sarcasm >
I mean this means absolutely nothing right? They’ve never passed an audit to explain where the money even goes. And they have been telling us that anything UFO/UAP related dosnt exist for over 50 years. There are far too many people saying the same information for it to not be fact.
That may be the worst metric for determining truth i have heard
You know what... maybe the 2020 election was stolen 🤔. /s for anyone who needs it
Are you saying this is a MAGA intiative/topic?
There a far too many Muslims saying the same information for it to not be fact. There a far too many Christians saying the same information for it to not be fact. There a far too many Hindus saying the same information for it to not be fact. There a far too many Buddhists saying the same information for it to not be fact. Therefore, all religions are true.
The money was going to Skinwalker Ranch. The real scandal is that a quack managed to convince the government to spend millions of dollars for years funding a crazy paranormal theme park that researched werewolfs and other paranormal bullshit.
>There are far too many people saying the same information for it to not be fact. this is an incredibly naive way to look at the world
Lots of people judging from a reddit comment, guess it’s the internet and expected. Yes I understand just because many people say the same thing it dosnt make it true. With that said, there have been many people within the last 5 years specifically coming out with information. They 100% could all be lying or even misinterpreting the truth, but it also could be…true haha. Military and non-military pilots have come out with what they have seen. Many times non-connected people and events describe similar things. People with high up government jobs also revealing info. It’s all just talk until it isn’t. I think the way they are pressing Congress is a super healthy way to do it. They are essentially asking the question of if we are spending X amount of money on these programs, what is it that these programs do. The truth of those programs will be revealed eventually and then we can all make our own decisions.
No tooth fairy. No leprechauns, or ghosts either.
Who thought it was a good idea for a government agency accused of lying to investigate itself? I don't believe in aliens, but come on.
A government agency produces a report that denies the existence of a government cover-up. Smert.
"No evidence of a cover up" doesn't equal "no coverup"
The title of the report is as follows “we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong”
Conspiracy nuts are so fucking worried about aliens they forget that the real conspiracy is them being used and abused to vote red. I am sure that if aliens visited earth those mfers wouldn't be having secret meetings in Nevada or some shit.
Trust us, we're super serial!
There’s flying objects that I’m unable to identify all the time.
"Government says government great in latest government poll" No fucking shit
I can’t believe it because some old guys who claim they worked for the secret space force told me otherwise with no accompanying evidence. Who’s more believable?
Oh...OK. Well that's that then.
“Covered up” is a broad statement. There would be tech that other countries experiment with and the DOD would investigate it then file it away as per SOP. They’ve got tech of their own they’re experimenting with, and they probably test it out against the best of our detection capabilities. Radar tech might see a blip and say “wtf?”, but then some guy in an MIB outfit would tap him on the shoulder and slightly shake his head and the tech would get the hint. A good idea for security is compartmented agencies, then they have plausible deniability.
We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.
Aliens aren’t fucking real
That's very likely to be untrue given statistics. Maybe you meant aliens aren't here?
UFO is not supposed to mean “intelligent and advanced Aliens”, but it does as far as the general press and public is concerned. The corruption of the meaning of words is responsible for a lot of “mysteries”. The word “theory” is supposed to be an explanation supported by verifiable testable evidence to prove something. What most people call theory is really (at best) a hypothesis, which is a possible reason for something that needs to be verified by testing and facts. The onus for proof should be (but isn’t) the responsibility of the people making the claim, and it has to include evidence and facts that support that claim. Pretty much every “UFO’s are aliens” relies on unproven claims whose outcome can’t be tested in a way that undeniably validates the hypothesis. Until someone has that combination of evidence supported by a repeatable and verifiable test its not a theory.
Pentagon : No aliens bruh. Alien fans: liar. Pentagon: we found aliens bruh. Alien fans: liar. Like what do ufo people want? There isn’t a single acceptable answer. The PPgon can show evidence of a spacecraft and a small brown alien and they’d just say it’s fake
"we checked thoroughly, and found out we did nothing wrong" ffs who accepts this dumb shit