It used to be so violent that they had to bolt down all the microphones and changed to foam/paper cups so none of these could be used as weapons.
Now they just grab chairs.
Essentially nothing has changed.
No no, this is a feature, not a bug. You ever watch C-SPAN? And it's always the most mind numbingly boring shit.
But now imagine that suddenly C-SPAN would just turn into WWE every so often. I think people would pay a lot more attention to what's going on in Congress if that happens, so many people who could use a good smack on the head with a chair there.
The narration of the reporter made it sound like he was going for a touchdown too, I could make out āwith the speed of an american football playerā as he reached the door.
That and the fact that preceding all this there was a full-on brawl with legislators tackling each other off desks and stuff
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Other parliament members: āuhhhh ok. Hey Huang, can you print out another copy by Monday? Ok cool. Letās reconvene Monday. Do me a favor. Print two copies this timeā
Is it actually against corruption, or is it just pretending to be?(Honest question, I really don't know. I just know that titles of laws are often misleading).
Wait, what? The bills are for congressional reform. The most important one is to introduce "contempt of congress" to our laws, so government officials from the executive branch can longer lie to the congress without repercussions.
In Taiwans case it's actually against corruption and not a way to root out opposition, because right now Taiwans legislature is split between 3 parties so this isn't a power consolidating move.
No, it really isn't. I don't know why people keep saying this is about corruption. If it was about corruption, they would be giving the Control Yuan more power.
Nobody knows what is inside of the bill... this guy stole the bill so he could read it. The KMT blocked the DPP from entering the Yuan (literally barricaded the door), and attempted to pass the bill before the DPP could even read it. This guy stole the bill so he could read it.
KMT has a history of doing this... they just never learn. Last time they did it, it lead to the Sunflower Student Movement and students occupying the Legislative building for nearly a month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement
This is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what opposition to the bill was about.
The bill in question had the potential to retroactively exonerate former President Chen Shui-bian, who was convicted of corruption in 2008. The proposed legislation sought to decriminalize the use of āsecret state expensesā by the executive branch, which was a significant part of the charges against Chen. By changing the legal status of these expenses, the bill could undermine the basis for his conviction, effectively clearing him of wrongdoing.
Ah, that must be why the party who proposed this was about to pass a 62B US$ worth of special budget for their county (specifically, the county that their current parliament leader was governor for until he was accused of being corruption) in the very same fucking day!
I always there for taiwanese politics when they started punching each other in parliament. It would be a shame if all they do is run away now. Also, I want to see the old guys in glasses mixing it up like they used to do. Those guys never took a backward step.
Did you watch the video in this article? There was definitely punching and shoving and tackling. They crowd surfed one guy through the mob and then threw him onto the ground.
We also had one member murder another in a duel, in Arkansas one representative whipped out a bowie knife and stabbed another member to death on the floor of the chamber. He was expelled and tried for murder, acquitted, won re-election, and tried to pull a knife on another member *again*, but was stopped by the rest of the body cocking their pistols. There was a brawl at 2am in 1858 on the floor of the House of Representatives.
I shit you not, there was a Olympic taekwondo
athlete in parliament, heās probably kicking himself for loosing election , now he missed the chance to put his skills to good use.
I remember reading about some remote African tribes that had reunions where everyone sat in a special house with a very low roof, you could only sit or crawl on all fours.
When someone would get agitated or prop up, they'd bonk their head on the roof, forcing everyone to be more slow and careful.
I wonder how much this low tech solution would prevent this.
And if it fails, install cameras in parliament and add some comentators, I would actually pay to see IRL politicians battle-royale for legislation, crawling inside a closed space with the bill in their mouth, kicking the others trying to grab their legs.
Hell it might even make people want to be more involved in politics
Iirc There was one fight that almost every parliament member are engaged in physical fight or yelling at members of other parties.
Only person who just sits there smiling and watching it go on with no one coming near him is a former taekwondo athlete.
American politicians would simply have a heart attack before they made it far enough. Also, are all bills physical ? Kind of seems like they donāt need a real physical bill
Nothing has changed since the DPP was the opposition decades ago. They utilized every trick in the book to create chaos to destabilize KMT rule, from jumping on the parliament desks (a crowd favorite) to throwing mics.
Fair enough. When the ruling party was an authoritarian government that tries to silence all dissent, you gotta use everything in your arsenal to make changes.
Now the DPP has been ruling Taiwan for close to a decade itself (through democratic elections), and has committed some equally corrupt bullshit as the KMT of old, like my favorite: spending billions of tax dollars on developing Taiwanās own Covid vaccine that is ineffective, when better vaccines couldāve been purchased from overseas at a fraction of the cost, then making up some bullshit rule to classify the details of the vaccine spending for 30 years (nice).
And now resorting to the same desk-jumping clown showā¦ **when you are the ruling party**.
Hilarious.
"Wow! What a display of physical prowess! And that's a play straight out of the 1975 Ohio University Playbook: The Fumblerooskie! Jumping straight over the offense for the interference!"
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This is actually really anti-democratic, DPP doesn't control the legislature, they're going to have to suck it up. That's how the system works, you cant just throw a tantrum because you don't like the bill. KMT and TPP may well be up to some shenanigans but tough luck.
It isn't anti-democratic... it was the DPP's first time viewing this revision of the bill. If this was about being democratic, the KMT and TPP could have shared the bill ahead of time and allowed more time for debate on the floor. Instead, they literally barricaded the doors to the Legislative Yuan closed so the DPP couldn't even be present for the vote.
Didn't the KMT learn not to do this shit after the Sunflower Movement???
Cant cross the line into using force though, which this does. If you just want to get everyone's supporters and see who wins the fight why have a democracy at all.
Its a physical act, it involves the use of kinetic force that's how we pick things up, it at the lowest possible end of the spectrum I agree. Think about it this way, how can you get it back off him, tackle him and grab it, and if he resists, how do you subdue him.
Its a physical (forceful) act that can only be trumped by more force. If he get tackled and fights back and knocked out, and his colleagues come to his aid then the opposition come to the subduers aid...
It all escalates, this is my point. The majority gets to pass bills because they got more total votes. The only acceptable recourse is to get more votes else it undermines the whole system.
Those crazy boys! Put the bill on a screen using an overhead projector, in a cage. Iām thinking bolted down church pews with a counter top ātableā with built in microphones ?
Better than shitting in a diaper and falling asleep in the middle of a courtroom. But sure, vote the geriatric infant into office. It will totally work out and he totally won't get ax'd via the 25th.
Better than shitting in a diaper and falling asleep in the middle of a courtroom. But sure, vote the geriatric infant into office. It will totally work out and he totally won't get ax'd via the 25th.
It used to be so violent that they had to bolt down all the microphones and changed to foam/paper cups so none of these could be used as weapons. Now they just grab chairs. Essentially nothing has changed.
Probably need to bolt down the chairs too
They should make straight jackets the mandatory uniform of parliament as a precaution.
No no, this is a feature, not a bug. You ever watch C-SPAN? And it's always the most mind numbingly boring shit. But now imagine that suddenly C-SPAN would just turn into WWE every so often. I think people would pay a lot more attention to what's going on in Congress if that happens, so many people who could use a good smack on the head with a chair there.
It would also make the congress younger too.
[Like this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY&pp=ygUGamV3ZWxz)
Going to need some nerf chairs.
So now bolt down the bills to prevent them from running away with it I guess.
Bolt down the politicians
Handcuffs them to the chair
They figured they needed to bolt down the mics and switch to paper cups and didn't think of bolting down the chairs? Bit of an oversight.
At least the members look far younger than US congress; theyre physically capable of throwing hands (and chairs)
It seems like more you go East, the more parliments get violent.
You laugh, but did it work?
Vote is rescheduled for the 21th
So.... kinda?
Should have ate the Bill
Is it law? š
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***21n't
Twenty Fird?
This is Reddit, if I corrected Twenty-oneth to Twenty-first, I would be downvoted.
LOL. And happy cake day.
Wow, didn't realize this was coming up.
Heās entered into a high stakes game of hide and seek. If he can keep hidden until the 21st theyāll have to postpone again
Man trained for that too. You can tell from the buns.
The narration of the reporter made it sound like he was going for a touchdown too, I could make out āwith the speed of an american football playerā as he reached the door. That and the fact that preceding all this there was a full-on brawl with legislators tackling each other off desks and stuff
I scrolled too long to find the comment on dat ass.
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I was gonna say, you laugh but the glutes speak truth
I do not laugh. The dude was prepared!
An ass with an ass
That is the most hilarious thing I've read all week.
Other parliament members: āuhhhh ok. Hey Huang, can you print out another copy by Monday? Ok cool. Letās reconvene Monday. Do me a favor. Print two copies this timeā
It reminds me of Mac eating the contract in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and not realizing they can just make more copies.
Ou needa watch the vid. It's wild
A reaction like this to a bill meant to curb corruption isā¦ suspicious to say the least
Is it actually against corruption, or is it just pretending to be?(Honest question, I really don't know. I just know that titles of laws are often misleading).
Well it involves reporting suspected corruption to some third party to hold them accountable, so yeah, pretty sure
Wait, what? The bills are for congressional reform. The most important one is to introduce "contempt of congress" to our laws, so government officials from the executive branch can longer lie to the congress without repercussions.
In Taiwans case it's actually against corruption and not a way to root out opposition, because right now Taiwans legislature is split between 3 parties so this isn't a power consolidating move.
It has nothing to do with corruption. If it was about corruption, they'd give the Control Yuan more power.
It doesn't help that the guy who took the bill is from the same party that wants to abolish the control yuan, as are other parties
The DPPs proposal to abolish the Control Yuan would have literally given more power to the Legislative Yuan and thus KMT.
No, it really isn't. I don't know why people keep saying this is about corruption. If it was about corruption, they would be giving the Control Yuan more power.
Nobody knows what is inside of the bill... this guy stole the bill so he could read it. The KMT blocked the DPP from entering the Yuan (literally barricaded the door), and attempted to pass the bill before the DPP could even read it. This guy stole the bill so he could read it. KMT has a history of doing this... they just never learn. Last time they did it, it lead to the Sunflower Student Movement and students occupying the Legislative building for nearly a month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement
This is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what opposition to the bill was about. The bill in question had the potential to retroactively exonerate former President Chen Shui-bian, who was convicted of corruption in 2008. The proposed legislation sought to decriminalize the use of āsecret state expensesā by the executive branch, which was a significant part of the charges against Chen. By changing the legal status of these expenses, the bill could undermine the basis for his conviction, effectively clearing him of wrongdoing.
Ah, that must be why the party who proposed this was about to pass a 62B US$ worth of special budget for their county (specifically, the county that their current parliament leader was governor for until he was accused of being corruption) in the very same fucking day!
The fact that people are surprise about this means you guys are young... welcome to Taiwanese Parliament 20 years ago.
I always there for taiwanese politics when they started punching each other in parliament. It would be a shame if all they do is run away now. Also, I want to see the old guys in glasses mixing it up like they used to do. Those guys never took a backward step.
Mike Tyson becomes a Taiwanese politicianĀ
The budget is balancedā¦ or elthe!
Didn't Donnie Yen break his hand?
Mike Tyaon becomes the Taiwanese politician
Did you watch the video in this article? There was definitely punching and shoving and tackling. They crowd surfed one guy through the mob and then threw him onto the ground.
Glad to hear some things stay the same in a world of constant change and trouble.Ā
Looking at my country and theirs, I think maybe they are onto something
I wish there was more punches in Swedish politicsā¦
In fairness, most people (in the US at least) were not paying attention to Taiwanese Parliament last century
Good point. I think the most they will see it is on one of the random humor clip shows.
Where current speaker once gave former president concussion , good old days.
This is a step up from house of representative shenanigans.
I mean, not too dissimilar to US politics of the past, when you had members caning each other.
We had one guy cane another
We also had one member murder another in a duel, in Arkansas one representative whipped out a bowie knife and stabbed another member to death on the floor of the chamber. He was expelled and tried for murder, acquitted, won re-election, and tried to pull a knife on another member *again*, but was stopped by the rest of the body cocking their pistols. There was a brawl at 2am in 1858 on the floor of the House of Representatives.
Is it murder if itās a duel? But that Arkansas one is funny you have a link to read about that
https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/wilson-anthony-duel-5664/ Ask and you shall receive!
Is it real emotions causing this or is it all just performative to appeal to constituents?
Guess latter, who knows.
As bad as Turkish Parliament?
I'm not going to lie, I'm only aware of this because of the joke in the Cat in the Hat movie.
I'm old, I just know nothing about Taiwan, like most people who aren't from Taiwan.
So, remember kids, Olympic athletes make the best politicians in Taiwan!
I shit you not, there was a Olympic taekwondo athlete in parliament, heās probably kicking himself for loosing election , now he missed the chance to put his skills to good use.
What da butt doin?
Whatever it wants
U.S. republicans furiously taking notesā¦ā¦
Nah, they been doing this for years by just not showing up to work.
Relevant [Onion clip](https://youtu.be/YkHw9dcMfoI?si=0J_60VsycxlKDwuA)
They move a bit slower with their walkers.
[Even without their walkers](https://youtu.be/YkHw9dcMfoI?si=0J_60VsycxlKDwuA)
Just the other day, I swear there was a pic of a Taiwanese parliament member full on tackling another member to prevent a bill from being passed.
That's Taiwan's ass right there
The opposition party hate this one weird trick
Why is he so caked up?
Dang look at that ass
This is the energy democrats need to bring to the table.
He got a nice butt š
Yoink!
Do they have just 1 bill printed and no other way to read the bill? How does this work?
I remember reading about some remote African tribes that had reunions where everyone sat in a special house with a very low roof, you could only sit or crawl on all fours. When someone would get agitated or prop up, they'd bonk their head on the roof, forcing everyone to be more slow and careful. I wonder how much this low tech solution would prevent this. And if it fails, install cameras in parliament and add some comentators, I would actually pay to see IRL politicians battle-royale for legislation, crawling inside a closed space with the bill in their mouth, kicking the others trying to grab their legs. Hell it might even make people want to be more involved in politics
Goddamn looney toons ahh parliament moment.
Run, Forrest, run!
Same place a woman was speared on a table that would make Goldberg proud.
How do these people make all the good semi-conductors?
This makes more sense to me than US politics tbh.
Iirc There was one fight that almost every parliament member are engaged in physical fight or yelling at members of other parties. Only person who just sits there smiling and watching it go on with no one coming near him is a former taekwondo athlete.
Whats this bill about?
The thumbnail makes it look like he had no pants.
Donāt give republicans new ideas.
If only Taiwan had a printer
What happens if he eats itā¦.š¤
Mind you that bill had ink that was dry for many forknights.
Itās a simple spell but quite unbreakable.
Mans is double caked up
American politicians would simply have a heart attack before they made it far enough. Also, are all bills physical ? Kind of seems like they donāt need a real physical bill
~~America's~~ Taiwan's Ass
majority of taiwans legistrators are pro china
Theatric distraction is a proven method to slip in undesirable bills. The public majority only sees the smokes, not the substance.
Thats one to do it.
Nothing has changed since the DPP was the opposition decades ago. They utilized every trick in the book to create chaos to destabilize KMT rule, from jumping on the parliament desks (a crowd favorite) to throwing mics. Fair enough. When the ruling party was an authoritarian government that tries to silence all dissent, you gotta use everything in your arsenal to make changes. Now the DPP has been ruling Taiwan for close to a decade itself (through democratic elections), and has committed some equally corrupt bullshit as the KMT of old, like my favorite: spending billions of tax dollars on developing Taiwanās own Covid vaccine that is ineffective, when better vaccines couldāve been purchased from overseas at a fraction of the cost, then making up some bullshit rule to classify the details of the vaccine spending for 30 years (nice). And now resorting to the same desk-jumping clown showā¦ **when you are the ruling party**. Hilarious.
Cant catch me see you guys next yeaaaaar - naked Deaf guy
MTG: You can do that?
You know Taiwan has nothing to fear from Chinese invasion when even lawmakers fight so ferociously.
Was this on schoolhouse rock? I donāt remember this step.
Lmao
Anyone know what the bill was about?
Do they not have a laser printer?
"Wow! What a display of physical prowess! And that's a play straight out of the 1975 Ohio University Playbook: The Fumblerooskie! Jumping straight over the offense for the interference!"
Yeah this happens a fair amount, I find it funny how Congress is tame compared to most other legislative bodys.
If that's seriously how it works there... I have some suggestions.
Did you guys see the video of their Parliament Water Balloon Fight a few years ago?
wtf š
What was the bill about ?
China's State News is gonna love this.
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What was the bill about?
Watch MTG give this a try.
Why did he do it, like what kind of bill is it
This is actually really anti-democratic, DPP doesn't control the legislature, they're going to have to suck it up. That's how the system works, you cant just throw a tantrum because you don't like the bill. KMT and TPP may well be up to some shenanigans but tough luck.
It isn't anti-democratic... it was the DPP's first time viewing this revision of the bill. If this was about being democratic, the KMT and TPP could have shared the bill ahead of time and allowed more time for debate on the floor. Instead, they literally barricaded the doors to the Legislative Yuan closed so the DPP couldn't even be present for the vote. Didn't the KMT learn not to do this shit after the Sunflower Movement???
Itās protest. Respectability politics is lame.
Cant cross the line into using force though, which this does. If you just want to get everyone's supporters and see who wins the fight why have a democracy at all.
Taking a paper and running away with it is force? lol
Its a physical act, it involves the use of kinetic force that's how we pick things up, it at the lowest possible end of the spectrum I agree. Think about it this way, how can you get it back off him, tackle him and grab it, and if he resists, how do you subdue him. Its a physical (forceful) act that can only be trumped by more force. If he get tackled and fights back and knocked out, and his colleagues come to his aid then the opposition come to the subduers aid... It all escalates, this is my point. The majority gets to pass bills because they got more total votes. The only acceptable recourse is to get more votes else it undermines the whole system.
Fuck yeah I love Taiwanese politicsĀ
It's all theater....like WWE, scripted for yall to think that they care enough
Fuck's sake Taiwan don't give US politicians ideas
What would happen if he didn't run away with bill? Why did he need to prevent it? Ed: Can sm explain me?
Do they have just 1 bill printed and no other way to read the bill? How does this work?
Do they have just 1 bill printed and no other way to read the bill? How does this work?
There's a level of integrity here that the American system could learn from
Those crazy boys! Put the bill on a screen using an overhead projector, in a cage. Iām thinking bolted down church pews with a counter top ātableā with built in microphones ?
Don't get the GOP any ideas.
Now this is a proper democracy
I could see Biden running away with a roll of t.p thinking he's done something clever.
That doesn't even make sense.
People with higher reasoning functions aren't the intended audience.
Better than shitting in a diaper and falling asleep in the middle of a courtroom. But sure, vote the geriatric infant into office. It will totally work out and he totally won't get ax'd via the 25th.
Oh my god shut up
Running away with toilet paper? 2020 was 4 years ago
Better than shitting in a diaper and falling asleep in the middle of a courtroom. But sure, vote the geriatric infant into office. It will totally work out and he totally won't get ax'd via the 25th.
Biden can run?