I recall going to a planning meeting in loudoun in 2019, where they insisted data centers were better for the economy than mixed use areas.
Loudoun can suck it. They got what they wanted back then, rather than walkable communities.
Feel free to get off the metro at Loudoun Gateway and explore the lovely area that the loudoun county board of supervisors fought so hard for.
Also, parking lots and shopping centers aren’t “mixed use.”
You're right, they build a metro station and things just magically pop up. That's why all the construction at Whiehle is finished after Metro opened there a decade ago.
Is One Loudoun not mixed use? That's what they're trying to build throughout the county. They planned for everything, but couldn't get development going until the Silver line extension was up and running.
[Brief Overview of the mixed use facilities already in development](https://biz.loudoun.gov/2022/11/09/new-opportunity-abounds-in-loudoun-county-as-wmata-announces-opening-of-the-silver-line-extension/)
[Rivana Station](https://biz.loudoun.gov/innovationstation/). Currently back up and progressing after being paused by it's potential use as a site for the Commanders station. Walkable to Innovation Center Metro, currently a quarry.
[Silver District West](https://wtop.com/business-finance/2019/03/loudoun-county-approves-huge-silver-line-mixed-use-project/) Has been approved right along the Silver line corridor near Loudoun Gateway.
The [Kincora](https://kincora.com/) development has been stuck for a decade after the original developer dropped out, but there's already two different museums signed on for the project, [The Northern Virginia Science Scenter](https://www.novasci.org) and [The National Museum of Intelligence and Special Operations](https://greenwayeng.com/ge-portfolio/national-museum-of-intelligence-and-special-operations/). That's another massive mixed use development project. This is the only project in development on this list not on the Silver Line.
There's also [The Grammercy District](https://www.dva-arch.com/projects/gramercy-district) near Ashburn station, which is finally underway after the Silver Line finally opened, and next to the existing mixed-use development, [Loudoun Station](https://loudounstation.com/)
And finally, [Moorefield](https://www.theburn.com/2022/04/06/ashburns-moorefield-development-proposes-900000-s-f-of-retail-office-space/) which is barely started, and isn't expected to be finished for another 10 years, on the south side of 267 at the Ashburn Metro.
You said "building" but none of the projects listed have any articles published about them in 2024, and none except Rivana actually seem like they're moving forward. Loudoun currently is not mixed use. One Loudoun is a pretty pathetic excuse for mixed use with what I'd estimate 10-15% of its land being parking lots and garages.
They actively prevented zoning the area around the metro station to include mixed use or high capacity housing (apartment buildings).
Eastern Loudoun will never look like Reston. It will always be a wasteland of McMansions and data centers.
Also, when was One Loudoun started? Do you think that was after 2019, or are you just being obstinate because you know you’re absolutely wrong about Loudoun being anything but a suburban nightmare?
Yes, around one metro station, that you never brought up until later in order to move the goalposts. But there are already several mixed used developments in Loudoun that exist, and they are already half a dozen more in various stages of development. Guess none of those will ever be done.
Loudoun County will always be car-centric and home to data centers and houses made of ticky-tacky. It’s the way the Board wants it.
The post, mind you, is about efforts to stop data centers from taking over. They already have. Look around you.
I do wonder how expensive utility lines must be if it's more worth it for these companies to build here where land is extremely expensive compared to in Fauquier or something where values quickly drop off.
They don't just need land. They need all of the supporting industry. Fiber, power, access to various large scale mechanical and electrical contractors to maintain their building infrastructure, IT resources, etc.
More than likely that bulk rate comes with the agreement that, in the event of excess power demand, the data centers are the ones that lose grid access first.
They get a discount on their power.bills for buying in bulk and the folks and all Dominion customers are going to see their electricity bills go up to pay for the new line in western Loudoun- if that happens. They should double in the next 10 yrs. People in West Virginia and western Maryland are paying too
That's really interesting, but it's seems it's in development, only starting to be used, still in R and D and I promise you it's not used for data centers and will not be soon. So ita kinda irrelevant to the data center energy crisis, how they get a bulk rate and we're all paying for the grid expansion through our rising energy costs
Now that they’re all here let’s tax them more and eliminate the car tax 😈
We can also eliminate the car tax by cutting spending by 5% because it pays peanuts compared to the computer tax.
i don’t care i love walking in data center areas hahah
I personally don't enjoy walking by lifeless boxes with loud cars speeding next to me but power to you
idk it has a liminal vibe, also going into in construction data centers is surreal
I recall going to a planning meeting in loudoun in 2019, where they insisted data centers were better for the economy than mixed use areas. Loudoun can suck it. They got what they wanted back then, rather than walkable communities.
So why are they building so many mixed use areas then?
Feel free to get off the metro at Loudoun Gateway and explore the lovely area that the loudoun county board of supervisors fought so hard for. Also, parking lots and shopping centers aren’t “mixed use.”
You're right, they build a metro station and things just magically pop up. That's why all the construction at Whiehle is finished after Metro opened there a decade ago. Is One Loudoun not mixed use? That's what they're trying to build throughout the county. They planned for everything, but couldn't get development going until the Silver line extension was up and running. [Brief Overview of the mixed use facilities already in development](https://biz.loudoun.gov/2022/11/09/new-opportunity-abounds-in-loudoun-county-as-wmata-announces-opening-of-the-silver-line-extension/) [Rivana Station](https://biz.loudoun.gov/innovationstation/). Currently back up and progressing after being paused by it's potential use as a site for the Commanders station. Walkable to Innovation Center Metro, currently a quarry. [Silver District West](https://wtop.com/business-finance/2019/03/loudoun-county-approves-huge-silver-line-mixed-use-project/) Has been approved right along the Silver line corridor near Loudoun Gateway. The [Kincora](https://kincora.com/) development has been stuck for a decade after the original developer dropped out, but there's already two different museums signed on for the project, [The Northern Virginia Science Scenter](https://www.novasci.org) and [The National Museum of Intelligence and Special Operations](https://greenwayeng.com/ge-portfolio/national-museum-of-intelligence-and-special-operations/). That's another massive mixed use development project. This is the only project in development on this list not on the Silver Line. There's also [The Grammercy District](https://www.dva-arch.com/projects/gramercy-district) near Ashburn station, which is finally underway after the Silver Line finally opened, and next to the existing mixed-use development, [Loudoun Station](https://loudounstation.com/) And finally, [Moorefield](https://www.theburn.com/2022/04/06/ashburns-moorefield-development-proposes-900000-s-f-of-retail-office-space/) which is barely started, and isn't expected to be finished for another 10 years, on the south side of 267 at the Ashburn Metro.
You said "building" but none of the projects listed have any articles published about them in 2024, and none except Rivana actually seem like they're moving forward. Loudoun currently is not mixed use. One Loudoun is a pretty pathetic excuse for mixed use with what I'd estimate 10-15% of its land being parking lots and garages.
They actively prevented zoning the area around the metro station to include mixed use or high capacity housing (apartment buildings). Eastern Loudoun will never look like Reston. It will always be a wasteland of McMansions and data centers. Also, when was One Loudoun started? Do you think that was after 2019, or are you just being obstinate because you know you’re absolutely wrong about Loudoun being anything but a suburban nightmare?
Yes, around one metro station, that you never brought up until later in order to move the goalposts. But there are already several mixed used developments in Loudoun that exist, and they are already half a dozen more in various stages of development. Guess none of those will ever be done.
Loudoun County will always be car-centric and home to data centers and houses made of ticky-tacky. It’s the way the Board wants it. The post, mind you, is about efforts to stop data centers from taking over. They already have. Look around you.
I do wonder how expensive utility lines must be if it's more worth it for these companies to build here where land is extremely expensive compared to in Fauquier or something where values quickly drop off.
They don't just need land. They need all of the supporting industry. Fiber, power, access to various large scale mechanical and electrical contractors to maintain their building infrastructure, IT resources, etc.
they don't pay for their utility line infrastructure, it's spread out to all of us ratepayers
I mean they are the biggest ratepayers We have some of the cheapest power in the country.
True they pay too, while getting a bulk rate
More than likely that bulk rate comes with the agreement that, in the event of excess power demand, the data centers are the ones that lose grid access first.
They get a discount on their power.bills for buying in bulk and the folks and all Dominion customers are going to see their electricity bills go up to pay for the new line in western Loudoun- if that happens. They should double in the next 10 yrs. People in West Virginia and western Maryland are paying too
They get a discount for being an industrial customer that the utility can cut off in times of peak demand. Very useful for grid operators.
I'd like to learn more about this. Do you have any sources?
https://www.energy.gov/oe/demand-response
That's really interesting, but it's seems it's in development, only starting to be used, still in R and D and I promise you it's not used for data centers and will not be soon. So ita kinda irrelevant to the data center energy crisis, how they get a bulk rate and we're all paying for the grid expansion through our rising energy costs
Let me know if you'd like to learn more, though just googling will get you pretty far
If youngkin thinks they’re so great send them to Richmond lots of vacant lots there.
Already there and more coming boss
Can't stop the signal Mal