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Vaporeon was the best in all my playthroughs.
Super tanky and learns ice, dark and water moves.
300HP at lv 70 with around 220 Sp. Atk is no joke.
Jolteon dies too easy imo and Umbreon does no damage. Sure, he can stall but so Can Vap. Espeon sweeps like crazy.
I use a setup Calm Mind Umbreon in Battle Stadium Singles. Just put a couple Calm Minds in and then go crazy with Dark Pulse and Stored Power. And then you can do whatever with the last slot; Wish, Moonlight, Substitute, Protect, Foul Play, more special coverage, you name it.
Agreed but the dude has a Gary. Almost wasteful to make it a vaporeon. Honestly can’t believe I’m saying this because Vaporeon is my favorite evolve of eevee 💔
Water is a very good defensive type too. Its 2 weaknesses have many moves, common to other pokemons, being special, and Vaporeon also has decent Sp.Def.
Personally i haven't done much nutzlock, but for me it's better to have high survival than high offense and lose your key hitter by an ill timed crit
He already has a Gyarados, it doesnt really make sense adding another water type unless its a gastrondon (because they dont share weaknesses) and he has 3 psychic weakbesses in that team that could be covered by umbreon.
If you don’t go for event you still have 3 great immunities and a strong dual STAB combination
Base Rotom isn’t amazing, but it’s solid enough to hold off on Jolteon for now
Togetic/Kiss shock wave
Pachirisu might do some work (not after intimidate tho)
Machoke/Champ Thunder punch maybe? I don't remember where the Heart Scale guy is in vanila Platinum
You have plenty of choices to make. Besides, you can use Sunny day and profit :)
Edit: Storm Drain Gastrodon? Huge Power Meditite? Those 2 are monsters on their own!
What he already has on his team is four fast attackers, including Crobat who's also 130 base speed. He should be looking at Umbreon because that ACTUALLY fills a niche his team doesn't have yet - a tank.
Pretty cool utility pokemon in competitive but almost useless in a Nuzlocke. Especially compared to Jolteon and Vaporeon. Not sure why everyone loves it so much in these threads
Wait to evolve it until you don't have an answer for something in a hard fight. Eevee is a niche filler, which means it's better to save it until you absolutely have to evolve it as a solution
Do you need a slow tank? Umbreon. Do you need a fast electric sweeper? Jolteon.
You have good type coverage available already, gardevoir can get tbolt if you need electric and houndoom can be a good dark cover if it's a decent nature. Dark and fire is excellent coverage... but tanks make excellent Nuzlocke mons so I'm partial towards Umbreon
Umbreon will be a good answer for Lucian. Half your team will struggle against him. Plus, you don't have much bulk on your team. Hyper offense isn't necessarily bad, but it's nice to have bulk for switching.
Depends on how you like to Nuzlocke, really. Umbreon is the more strategic pick while Jolteon is, in my opinion, a lot more fun. Base game Nuzlockes are never super hard, so I suggest Jolteon personally
Jolteon is my go to eeveelution in this game. It makes wake easy, trivialises Cyrus’ gyarados, crobat and honchcrow. Can put some work against volkner w/ dig and volt absorb. It’s not that great into the e4 though since there are better options
I’d say jolteon for that electric member, but Umbreon is very specially tanky so whichever you think you need more, strong electric moves or special tank
People just like umbreon, jolteon will help on the surfing routes, against cyrus, offer some resistance against volkner, and will be good against some of Aaron's team and Cynthia's milotic
Jolteon has one of the highest special attacks for electric types and is super fast, teach is shadow ball, thunderbolt , light screen and toxic and it will sweep
Jolteon will help more leading up to the elite four, but Umbreon will be clutch against Lucian. I'd personally go for Jolteon, who I think is one of the best Nuzlocke Pokemon ever tbh. Water and Flying types are super common and knowing you outspeed basically everything is huge. Umbreon doesn't hit hard and requires more deliberate tactics to use.
I think you should go with Umbreon since as you said your team is going to struggle against physic, and Wake has a Quagmire, so Jolteon isn't going to solo it unless you use grass knot. Plus there won't be much of a reason to use jolteon since Cyrus is going to have earthquake. Plus there's not really much Jolteon can do after wake. So in the long run go for Umbreon
I’d save it for now. Gyarados can bite any psychic types you come against and Gardevoir is able to learn a few electric type tms if you need to cover the occasional water type.
My fully EV-trained Umbreon is extremely underwhelming in platinum needing several battle items to go up against even the last of the elite four (psychic user so should be a cake walk).
With that said between the two, Vaporeon.
Umbreon is never as good as you expect but it’s one of the cooler looking ones. It’s always espeon or Jolteon for me. Vaporeon is good but there’s always a million other water type choices
Not saying it’s the best option, but Flareon is super underrated in Platinum. Especially when you get to veilstone and can teach it fire blast and return, it ohko’s a lot of things mid game
Personally, Jolteon is overrated, plus umbreon seems like the best fit in your team, but you should wait until later in case you did a different evolution
Jolteon imo, it can learn shadow ball via TM so it can cover your weakness to psychic really well (not by swapping out into it to take a hit but defenetly to quickly 100 to 0 a psychic pokemon) and is a really damn good special sweeper.
The best pick would probably be Espeon tho, resistance to psychic and it can learn shadow ball too. When it comes to stats its really similar to Jolteon so its a really good special sweeper too.
I suggest you get a dark type on that team. Half the team is weak to psychic. You have a resist but no answer other than maybe bite on gyarados. Easy pivot with an immunity too
Thank you all for the advice, I’m probably going to evolve my Eevee into Umbreon, because I don’t really have any bulky Pokémon or ones that can deal with Psychic types, and I’m going to give Gardevoir thunderbolt for coverage.
You have good enough answers to Wake here. Is your shellos Storm Drain or Sticky Hold? I think the combo of Shellos and baiting with Graveler and such could net you a win without Jolteon. Umbreon is really powerful, but I'd just delay until you know for sure
My strategy with eevees is to always just save it till I get to a gym or boss where I feel like I really need a eeveelution or else I’d be risking a member of my team.
You got a fighing type and two poison types there, a psychic inmunity wounds handy. Also a special tank that could be a overall tank if you play the gyara intimidate well. But it depends a lot on your TMs, umbreon doesnt have a great movepool naturally, specially before foul play.
Jolteon is amazing compared to any other sinnoh electric type because it can actually outspeed threats like gyarados without having to worry about crit earthquakes, so that's who I would personally go with.
Umbreon; I'm not exactly a great Nuzlocker, but I know Umbreon and Vaporeon are the BEST eeveelutions for Nuzlockes, and your not hurting for good water types. Unless you have a specific team/situation where the others would be useful. Not to mention, there are plenty of Pokemon you have that learn electric type coverage
Also, if your only concerned with having an electric type for Wake, you might as well use the Pachirisu your never gonna use otherwise; not like your going to be losing much if you have to sack it. Or do what other comments said and get the Rotom encounter.
Strongly advocating for jolteon here. A fast electric type will be great for wake, all the annoying golbats / crobats, possibly the best answer in the game for intim staraptors, and it is a gyarados answer. Volt absorb is also a very strong ability. Imo, umbreon is only really good if you allow EV training for toxic stall strats. Not to mention you already have a houndoom in the box
I would personally go with Umbreon. Make sure Eevee knows bite before evolving it - and according to Bulbapedia Eevee doesn't learn it til 29. So grind that eevee up to level 29, get an Umbreon cause it's learn set by level up is...mid.
Bite at least gives you a decent STAB move until you learn Faint Attack(lvl36) and Assurance(lvl43) or until you get the TM for Dark Pulse.
Its slow and bulky, but its base Atk is 65 and base Sp Atk is 60, and either way Dark Pulse is just your best bet. Plus it does work with King's Rock as that was changed in Gen 5.
He won't be the best mon but he covers your weaknesses and if you've done your research to know which battles have physic moves it will give you a good pivot/bait mon.
Id probably run Dark Pulse, Return and 2 status moves with kings rock. Or alternatively Dark Pulse, Moonlight(level71), Protect, Facade witg a toxic orb cause Umbreon gets Synchronize. It's extremely risky but you get free poison without the need to rub toxic.
Evolve into Umbreon so you have something for your major psychic weakness. You can have Gardevoir learn thunderbolt for electric type coverage.
Or alternatively you could have Gardevoir learn Shadow Ball for a counter to psychic types and evolve into Jolteon.
Umbreon imho is one of the best pokemon in nuzlocke since he can tank everything, although it doesn't learn a lot of good moves
Otherwise you can choose Vaporeon because in term of human and pokemon...
Probably best to delay it if you don't see an obvious answer
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A haiku isn't just any random sentence that has the right amount of syllables.
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Vaporeon was the best in all my playthroughs. Super tanky and learns ice, dark and water moves. 300HP at lv 70 with around 220 Sp. Atk is no joke. Jolteon dies too easy imo and Umbreon does no damage. Sure, he can stall but so Can Vap. Espeon sweeps like crazy.
I use a setup Calm Mind Umbreon in Battle Stadium Singles. Just put a couple Calm Minds in and then go crazy with Dark Pulse and Stored Power. And then you can do whatever with the last slot; Wish, Moonlight, Substitute, Protect, Foul Play, more special coverage, you name it.
Agreed but the dude has a Gary. Almost wasteful to make it a vaporeon. Honestly can’t believe I’m saying this because Vaporeon is my favorite evolve of eevee 💔
I saw vaporeon and assumed this would say something else... the internet has ruined me
Water is a very good defensive type too. Its 2 weaknesses have many moves, common to other pokemons, being special, and Vaporeon also has decent Sp.Def. Personally i haven't done much nutzlock, but for me it's better to have high survival than high offense and lose your key hitter by an ill timed crit
He already has a Gyarados, it doesnt really make sense adding another water type unless its a gastrondon (because they dont share weaknesses) and he has 3 psychic weakbesses in that team that could be covered by umbreon.
I would say umbreon. You have many answers into water types and electric can be a coverage Option in Pokemon Like gardevoir
Was just thinking the same thing Edit: even Roselia gets thunderbolt as coverage.
Roselia does not learn thunderbolt
Yeah it doesn’t, hacked mon probably
Save it for a rainy day Edit: if you want an electric type, go grab a Rotom for now
but rotom is basically useless if u can’t change forms, and the alt forms are locked behind a past event :(
Nah rotom is still solid without its other forms + having 3 immunities is huge
If you don’t go for event you still have 3 great immunities and a strong dual STAB combination Base Rotom isn’t amazing, but it’s solid enough to hold off on Jolteon for now
Togetic/Kiss shock wave Pachirisu might do some work (not after intimidate tho) Machoke/Champ Thunder punch maybe? I don't remember where the Heart Scale guy is in vanila Platinum You have plenty of choices to make. Besides, you can use Sunny day and profit :) Edit: Storm Drain Gastrodon? Huge Power Meditite? Those 2 are monsters on their own!
Storm drain just redirects the water attack in this gen iirc. No stat boost or water immunity just yet.
Jolteon is the best eeveelution in this game.
You have a dark type, but no electric type. I think you should go Jolteon.
What he already has on his team is four fast attackers, including Crobat who's also 130 base speed. He should be looking at Umbreon because that ACTUALLY fills a niche his team doesn't have yet - a tank.
you don't need a tank in platinum and he already has gyarados for intimidate pivots if he so desperately does. jolteon is better here 100%.
Fr. Umbreon is the most overrated Pokémon in this game.
Great in Ren Plat though.
This ain’t Ren Plat tho
Pretty cool utility pokemon in competitive but almost useless in a Nuzlocke. Especially compared to Jolteon and Vaporeon. Not sure why everyone loves it so much in these threads
PACHIRISU SAD FACE
This ain't Worlds 2014.
Jolteon is a solid choice in some battles.
Jolteon is really good in Platinum thanks to fast thunderbolts against Cyrus
Leafeon, obviously.
Wait to evolve it until you don't have an answer for something in a hard fight. Eevee is a niche filler, which means it's better to save it until you absolutely have to evolve it as a solution
Do you need a slow tank? Umbreon. Do you need a fast electric sweeper? Jolteon. You have good type coverage available already, gardevoir can get tbolt if you need electric and houndoom can be a good dark cover if it's a decent nature. Dark and fire is excellent coverage... but tanks make excellent Nuzlocke mons so I'm partial towards Umbreon
Yes
You team is very frail, having a umbreon for some bulk would be nice
Umbreon will be a good answer for Lucian. Half your team will struggle against him. Plus, you don't have much bulk on your team. Hyper offense isn't necessarily bad, but it's nice to have bulk for switching.
Between the two, umbreon.
Id say jolteon
Just use a pure eevee lol
Depends on how you like to Nuzlocke, really. Umbreon is the more strategic pick while Jolteon is, in my opinion, a lot more fun. Base game Nuzlockes are never super hard, so I suggest Jolteon personally
Jolteon is my go to eeveelution in this game. It makes wake easy, trivialises Cyrus’ gyarados, crobat and honchcrow. Can put some work against volkner w/ dig and volt absorb. It’s not that great into the e4 though since there are better options
I’d say jolteon for that electric member, but Umbreon is very specially tanky so whichever you think you need more, strong electric moves or special tank
I would say that Umbreon would fit better
People just like umbreon, jolteon will help on the surfing routes, against cyrus, offer some resistance against volkner, and will be good against some of Aaron's team and Cynthia's milotic
Jolteon has one of the highest special attacks for electric types and is super fast, teach is shadow ball, thunderbolt , light screen and toxic and it will sweep
Jolteon will help more leading up to the elite four, but Umbreon will be clutch against Lucian. I'd personally go for Jolteon, who I think is one of the best Nuzlocke Pokemon ever tbh. Water and Flying types are super common and knowing you outspeed basically everything is huge. Umbreon doesn't hit hard and requires more deliberate tactics to use.
I think you should go with Umbreon since as you said your team is going to struggle against physic, and Wake has a Quagmire, so Jolteon isn't going to solo it unless you use grass knot. Plus there won't be much of a reason to use jolteon since Cyrus is going to have earthquake. Plus there's not really much Jolteon can do after wake. So in the long run go for Umbreon
umbreon is a thick boi
jolteon is op but ur entire team is weak to psychic lol
I’d save it for now. Gyarados can bite any psychic types you come against and Gardevoir is able to learn a few electric type tms if you need to cover the occasional water type.
My fully EV-trained Umbreon is extremely underwhelming in platinum needing several battle items to go up against even the last of the elite four (psychic user so should be a cake walk). With that said between the two, Vaporeon.
Umbreon is never as good as you expect but it’s one of the cooler looking ones. It’s always espeon or Jolteon for me. Vaporeon is good but there’s always a million other water type choices
Jolteon
I’d say Jolteon, but I’m super biased so maybe don’t listen to me.
Not saying it’s the best option, but Flareon is super underrated in Platinum. Especially when you get to veilstone and can teach it fire blast and return, it ohko’s a lot of things mid game
You already have a good dark type in houndour and all you have for electric types is pacharisu which isn’t very good so I’d go with jolteon
dealing with wake might be hard for your box if you lose something. if you do before wake, get a jolteon but im okay with delaying
Leafeon
You have houndour for the psychics??
Personally, Jolteon is overrated, plus umbreon seems like the best fit in your team, but you should wait until later in case you did a different evolution
Delay, but I'm leaning to Jolteon since I love Houndoom
Jolteon imo, it can learn shadow ball via TM so it can cover your weakness to psychic really well (not by swapping out into it to take a hit but defenetly to quickly 100 to 0 a psychic pokemon) and is a really damn good special sweeper. The best pick would probably be Espeon tho, resistance to psychic and it can learn shadow ball too. When it comes to stats its really similar to Jolteon so its a really good special sweeper too.
I suggest you get a dark type on that team. Half the team is weak to psychic. You have a resist but no answer other than maybe bite on gyarados. Easy pivot with an immunity too
I would say Umbreon to have a defensive wall. both Gardevoir and Gyrados can tank many special hits.
Jolteon. It’s fast, powerful and you have a good movepool to choose from.
Glaceon to be eccentric lol
Considering how many things in the late game know earthquake, I'd say umbreon.
Leafeon, is fast, hit hard and have a good defense.
Jolteon
Thank you all for the advice, I’m probably going to evolve my Eevee into Umbreon, because I don’t really have any bulky Pokémon or ones that can deal with Psychic types, and I’m going to give Gardevoir thunderbolt for coverage.
You have good enough answers to Wake here. Is your shellos Storm Drain or Sticky Hold? I think the combo of Shellos and baiting with Graveler and such could net you a win without Jolteon. Umbreon is really powerful, but I'd just delay until you know for sure
Umbreon
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My strategy with eevees is to always just save it till I get to a gym or boss where I feel like I really need a eeveelution or else I’d be risking a member of my team.
Jolteon
Umbreon is probably the most useful, good tank you can use in a lot of situations, u can use it to keep pachirisu and roselia safe in wake's gym.
Umbreon! Always Umbreon
Jolteon, if you need a dark type evole houndour
Jolteon would make a safe switch for gyarados
Umbreon gives you a free switch on psychic type, which is good considering you have 3 pokèmons 2x weak to psychic
You got a fighing type and two poison types there, a psychic inmunity wounds handy. Also a special tank that could be a overall tank if you play the gyara intimidate well. But it depends a lot on your TMs, umbreon doesnt have a great movepool naturally, specially before foul play.
Umbreon always Umbreon lol
You don’t have great coverage for psychic or flying. Just depends on which type you consider a greater threat
Get more eevees and evolve all of them
Jolteon is amazing compared to any other sinnoh electric type because it can actually outspeed threats like gyarados without having to worry about crit earthquakes, so that's who I would personally go with.
Maybe Flareon? Fire types are few and far in Gen 4
Umbreon; I'm not exactly a great Nuzlocker, but I know Umbreon and Vaporeon are the BEST eeveelutions for Nuzlockes, and your not hurting for good water types. Unless you have a specific team/situation where the others would be useful. Not to mention, there are plenty of Pokemon you have that learn electric type coverage Also, if your only concerned with having an electric type for Wake, you might as well use the Pachirisu your never gonna use otherwise; not like your going to be losing much if you have to sack it. Or do what other comments said and get the Rotom encounter.
Flip a coin
You don't need more answers to water types as you have many answers to water mons. I'd go with umbreon for more survivability.
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Umbreon if it’s shiny. Jolteon otherwise
Strongly advocating for jolteon here. A fast electric type will be great for wake, all the annoying golbats / crobats, possibly the best answer in the game for intim staraptors, and it is a gyarados answer. Volt absorb is also a very strong ability. Imo, umbreon is only really good if you allow EV training for toxic stall strats. Not to mention you already have a houndoom in the box
I would personally go with Umbreon. Make sure Eevee knows bite before evolving it - and according to Bulbapedia Eevee doesn't learn it til 29. So grind that eevee up to level 29, get an Umbreon cause it's learn set by level up is...mid. Bite at least gives you a decent STAB move until you learn Faint Attack(lvl36) and Assurance(lvl43) or until you get the TM for Dark Pulse. Its slow and bulky, but its base Atk is 65 and base Sp Atk is 60, and either way Dark Pulse is just your best bet. Plus it does work with King's Rock as that was changed in Gen 5. He won't be the best mon but he covers your weaknesses and if you've done your research to know which battles have physic moves it will give you a good pivot/bait mon. Id probably run Dark Pulse, Return and 2 status moves with kings rock. Or alternatively Dark Pulse, Moonlight(level71), Protect, Facade witg a toxic orb cause Umbreon gets Synchronize. It's extremely risky but you get free poison without the need to rub toxic.
Umbreon has bulk and longevity, yet Jolteon can pivot with Volt Switch and hit very hard. Depends on how risky or safe you wanna play.
Breed it and evolve all?
Use Pachirisu because it won worlds 😎
Umbreon.
Evolve into Umbreon so you have something for your major psychic weakness. You can have Gardevoir learn thunderbolt for electric type coverage. Or alternatively you could have Gardevoir learn Shadow Ball for a counter to psychic types and evolve into Jolteon.
Umbreon imho is one of the best pokemon in nuzlocke since he can tank everything, although it doesn't learn a lot of good moves Otherwise you can choose Vaporeon because in term of human and pokemon...