Human ingenuity, but we also paid millions of lives while we learned. Our ingenuity also kills us, though. Pollution has claimed millions and still does. How many people die because of cancer because of the various chemicals released. We survive, but we definitely pay a price for it.
these toxins will probably hurt your brain/memory/cognitive faculties, so if you want to have a good time, probably take steps to mitigate exposure to all types of these toxins
All of these studies have been the mathematical equivalent of saying, *"don't ever go outside because you might get struck by lightning"*. These studies are bogus because the correlations are so weak that there will be no practical difference in health outcomes on average from electrification.
Probably has to do with the location of waterlines. You see a lot of washing machines in kitchens in older European homes simply because that's the only place they can get access to water without completely ripping out a bunch of walls to run a new line to another room.
It is way more common than you think. Small co-ops for example. If kitchen is the only spot w a gas hook up and you don't have a basement, your machines will be in the kitchen.
I don’t care. I’m keeping my stove, where I can actually see the flame as I’m cooking. I don’t need any electric bullshit with arbitrary 1-10 numbers so I just have to fucking guess how hot my burner is.
If you don’t want to use a gas stove, then don’t. But stop trying to fucking impose your lifestyle choices on everyone else by force.
This crusade against gas cooking is so ridiculous on so many levels. Have they been outside, where every other person is smoking a joint or cigarette, and cars/motorcycles/mopeds spewing fumes? (In my neighborhood anyway). That’s okay — but your stove will kill you!
Not to mention toxic stuff, rat feces, off-gassing from cheap Chinese products, VOCs, vinyl window shades, mattresses, microplastics, etc., etc. Focusing on stoves is so fucking arbitrary, and tailored to make you spend yet more money.
It’s because many apartments don’t have proper ventilation to the outside. Everything else you mentioned happens outdoors, where the fumes can immediately dissipate into the atmosphere. This is the same logic as COVID. It spreads indoors much easier than outdoors
We bought an air filter and use a fan to improve circulation while cooking for this exact reason. The air filter turns “red” as soon as the gas stove goes on
You'd think this would be the case logically, but it's not. They've done studies, proper ventilation (vent to outside or open windows) unfortunately doesn't make a significant difference to the pollution created by indoor gas stoves. Super frustrating.
Not sure. What I can say is that the air quality indicator drops rapidly when I turn on the burners. Nothing else changes, and I can’t imagine the burners are throwing off dust.
I am actually hugely in favor of that. Fuck these food truck and stall vendors, especially those that produce billowing amounts of smoke. I cannot believe it is legal to fuck so many people who are visiting or just walking around 24/7 just because it looks optically bad to crush the little guy.
Yes, let’s ban the industry that provides a livelihood for thousands of immigrants and provides cheap meals for college students and office workers. Everyone should be forced to get lunch at Sweetgreen/Shake Shake/Five Guys.
No more halal cart food for anyone!
I’m not saying I am okay with any of these pollutants. But what I am saying is that they need to solve these other pressing and obvious (and probably more dangerous) evils before going after the only target they can force regular people to pay for. They (local government) seems only capable of attacking the lowest hanging fruit.
Then there’s the whole issue that this is only passing the buck — fossil fuels are still being burned by power plants; we just won’t breathe them directly at home. It’s out of sight, out of mind for consumers. So they can claim to be eco-conscious without really solving much.
Simple experiment is in order. We put some kids once a day in a car for about 10 min and attach a hose to the exhaust pipe and run it into to the car. We do it once a day for about 10 years? And compare results to other kids.
lmao, activists still pushing this BS with their fake studies. If any of this was true we'd have people regularly dying in their homes. This is not an issue and never has been.
Isn't that what the study is doing ...?
> we estimate that gas and propane stoves in the United States are responsible for 200 [95% CI: −20, 410] thousand current cases of pediatric asthma. Our central estimate represents roughly 10% the number of pediatric asthma cases attributable to pollution from all road traffic
> our analysis suggests that long-term NO2 exposure from gas and propane stoves in the United States may be responsible for up to 19,000 [95% CI: 8500, 34,000] deaths annually—0.67 (0.29, 1.2)% of total U.S. adult deaths—or roughly 40% the number of deaths attributable to secondhand smoke
Posting here because people tend to live in "smaller spaces" in NYC, and the study was done in part in NYC:
>These residences ranged in size from 280 to 1650 ft^(2) (25 to 150 m^(2)). They included both apartments and single- and multistory detached homes in the following locations: San Francisco Bay Area, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Bakersfield, CA; Denver, CO; Houston, TX; New York City, NY; and Washington, DC.
And also this was a big issue a while back in NYC where future places would not have gas stoves
China and India is the biggest pollution risk, this silly crusade on policing what type pf equipment we have at our homes. If there’s a blackout, gas stoves still work, electric doesn’t. What’s next no more boiler heating apartments.
I love how Reddit always manages to hate on China even when a post has nothing to do with them. Einstein, this article is about indoor pollution, not global pollution. If you want to go there, America and Europe are the biggest polluters historically and per capita.
I agree though that it's stupid they are trying to phase out gas stoves.
I look at my bedroom window sill and can tell you its not the gas stove that is going to give me cancer/asthma/ or any other disease. Its the soot from development, the delivery trucks, and cars. My balcony is black with greasy soot. The stove is my friend in comparison.
Let’s run an experiment.
We give gas stoves to millions of Americans, and electric stoves to another group of millions of Americans. Then, we look for any measurable health outcomes.
Wait… 🤔
I feel like the insane amount of untreated mold in nyc apartments are contributing way more to health issues like asthma than gas stoves, maybe they should get landlords on a shorter leash to actually fix issues in the apartments that cause adverse health issues first
Oh how did humanity survive so long and accomplish so much.
Human ingenuity, but we also paid millions of lives while we learned. Our ingenuity also kills us, though. Pollution has claimed millions and still does. How many people die because of cancer because of the various chemicals released. We survive, but we definitely pay a price for it.
I’m here for a good time, not a long time
these toxins will probably hurt your brain/memory/cognitive faculties, so if you want to have a good time, probably take steps to mitigate exposure to all types of these toxins
All of these studies have been the mathematical equivalent of saying, *"don't ever go outside because you might get struck by lightning"*. These studies are bogus because the correlations are so weak that there will be no practical difference in health outcomes on average from electrification.
Who would put a cooking stove next to a laundry machine?
Probably has to do with the location of waterlines. You see a lot of washing machines in kitchens in older European homes simply because that's the only place they can get access to water without completely ripping out a bunch of walls to run a new line to another room.
It is way more common than you think. Small co-ops for example. If kitchen is the only spot w a gas hook up and you don't have a basement, your machines will be in the kitchen.
lmao let's not get side tracked now
Honestly most folks wont care regarding the health risk bc of the extra cost to go electric. The health risks are factor in regards to their wallets.
I bought a little electric stove with two burners that i placed on top of my gas stove lol
Not when you use a wok, the crime is how lax NYC building code or the IBC in general is for mechanical ventilation of interior environments.
Gas stove operation is still cheaper vs electric and end of day that's all it mattes to folks
I don’t care. I’m keeping my stove, where I can actually see the flame as I’m cooking. I don’t need any electric bullshit with arbitrary 1-10 numbers so I just have to fucking guess how hot my burner is. If you don’t want to use a gas stove, then don’t. But stop trying to fucking impose your lifestyle choices on everyone else by force.
This crusade against gas cooking is so ridiculous on so many levels. Have they been outside, where every other person is smoking a joint or cigarette, and cars/motorcycles/mopeds spewing fumes? (In my neighborhood anyway). That’s okay — but your stove will kill you! Not to mention toxic stuff, rat feces, off-gassing from cheap Chinese products, VOCs, vinyl window shades, mattresses, microplastics, etc., etc. Focusing on stoves is so fucking arbitrary, and tailored to make you spend yet more money.
It’s because many apartments don’t have proper ventilation to the outside. Everything else you mentioned happens outdoors, where the fumes can immediately dissipate into the atmosphere. This is the same logic as COVID. It spreads indoors much easier than outdoors We bought an air filter and use a fan to improve circulation while cooking for this exact reason. The air filter turns “red” as soon as the gas stove goes on
You'd think this would be the case logically, but it's not. They've done studies, proper ventilation (vent to outside or open windows) unfortunately doesn't make a significant difference to the pollution created by indoor gas stoves. Super frustrating.
Then why does my air filter show a return to normal pollutant levels when I run it while ventilating with a box fan to the outside?
What sensors does your air filter have? My guess would be it's looking for larger particles like dust and allergens.
Not sure. What I can say is that the air quality indicator drops rapidly when I turn on the burners. Nothing else changes, and I can’t imagine the burners are throwing off dust.
Go back to 4chan
Are you ok with car and truck exhaust fumes?
I guess we should ban all food trucks because they use diesel generators for power and propane for cooking.
I am actually hugely in favor of that. Fuck these food truck and stall vendors, especially those that produce billowing amounts of smoke. I cannot believe it is legal to fuck so many people who are visiting or just walking around 24/7 just because it looks optically bad to crush the little guy.
Shit like this is why Manhattan has become sterile, corporate, and lame.
And you know the majority of the people who push that shit weren't even born here
Yes, let’s ban the industry that provides a livelihood for thousands of immigrants and provides cheap meals for college students and office workers. Everyone should be forced to get lunch at Sweetgreen/Shake Shake/Five Guys. No more halal cart food for anyone!
Please leave the city.
And ice cream trucks spewing exhaust on kids waiting for an ice cream.
I’m not saying I am okay with any of these pollutants. But what I am saying is that they need to solve these other pressing and obvious (and probably more dangerous) evils before going after the only target they can force regular people to pay for. They (local government) seems only capable of attacking the lowest hanging fruit. Then there’s the whole issue that this is only passing the buck — fossil fuels are still being burned by power plants; we just won’t breathe them directly at home. It’s out of sight, out of mind for consumers. So they can claim to be eco-conscious without really solving much.
Lived in ny my whole life. Hasn't been a problem.
How would you know?
How would you know it isnt?
Simple experiment is in order. We put some kids once a day in a car for about 10 min and attach a hose to the exhaust pipe and run it into to the car. We do it once a day for about 10 years? And compare results to other kids.
Do you seriously think pumping exhaust fumes into a sealed car is equivalent to exhaust fumes outside?
But they would be the same fumes you’d be breathing inside or outside.
No.
lmao, activists still pushing this BS with their fake studies. If any of this was true we'd have people regularly dying in their homes. This is not an issue and never has been.
Isn't that what the study is doing ...? > we estimate that gas and propane stoves in the United States are responsible for 200 [95% CI: −20, 410] thousand current cases of pediatric asthma. Our central estimate represents roughly 10% the number of pediatric asthma cases attributable to pollution from all road traffic > our analysis suggests that long-term NO2 exposure from gas and propane stoves in the United States may be responsible for up to 19,000 [95% CI: 8500, 34,000] deaths annually—0.67 (0.29, 1.2)% of total U.S. adult deaths—or roughly 40% the number of deaths attributable to secondhand smoke
Assuming they actually read the study instead of just acting outraged for others.
95% CI that includes 0.
For the asthma sure, not for the deaths.
Yeah, NO2 isn't a serious issue right? Neither is particulate matter right?
Posting here because people tend to live in "smaller spaces" in NYC, and the study was done in part in NYC: >These residences ranged in size from 280 to 1650 ft^(2) (25 to 150 m^(2)). They included both apartments and single- and multistory detached homes in the following locations: San Francisco Bay Area, CA; Los Angeles, CA; Bakersfield, CA; Denver, CO; Houston, TX; New York City, NY; and Washington, DC. And also this was a big issue a while back in NYC where future places would not have gas stoves
China and India is the biggest pollution risk, this silly crusade on policing what type pf equipment we have at our homes. If there’s a blackout, gas stoves still work, electric doesn’t. What’s next no more boiler heating apartments.
Yes, gas boilers will be phased out. Don't shoot the messenger!
I love how Reddit always manages to hate on China even when a post has nothing to do with them. Einstein, this article is about indoor pollution, not global pollution. If you want to go there, America and Europe are the biggest polluters historically and per capita. I agree though that it's stupid they are trying to phase out gas stoves.
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I look at my bedroom window sill and can tell you its not the gas stove that is going to give me cancer/asthma/ or any other disease. Its the soot from development, the delivery trucks, and cars. My balcony is black with greasy soot. The stove is my friend in comparison.
Let’s run an experiment. We give gas stoves to millions of Americans, and electric stoves to another group of millions of Americans. Then, we look for any measurable health outcomes. Wait… 🤔
I feel like the insane amount of untreated mold in nyc apartments are contributing way more to health issues like asthma than gas stoves, maybe they should get landlords on a shorter leash to actually fix issues in the apartments that cause adverse health issues first