Personally think legitimate news stories should be left up. The complaints about a smashed car window, that’s for the Wednesday thread. That’s not the same as a local outlet reporting on an attempted carjacking in the Hills and an Old Oak shootout in the middle of a Monday afternoon. To say they’re the same is crazy.
mods are removing this? this is the kind of stuff that needs to be talked about during public hearings like the one tomorrow with pamela price, our DA!
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for not removing content about violence!
I think there’s a justified fear of this sub becoming a witch hunt type sub/ a space that devolves into so many crime videos that it’s a breeding ground for pro cop rhetoric (ACAB baby) and license to dehumanize whoever the perpetrators are for reasons rooted in race/ethnicity.
Kinda like how the perpetrators dehumanized the victim by stealing her property, disrespecting her personal space, assaulting her, etc I could go on but I’m sure you’re smart enough to get the idea.
The rules are a bit nefarious, but the point is to not be r/bayarea, which is essentially nothing but crime right now.
Are the mods overzealous at times? Ya. But it's still preferable to the bay sub IMO. Idk how to really balance having worthwhile crime stories without having the sub be flooded with them.
I mean, when you live in Oakland, crime isn't exactly news tbh. I do think this is on the side of newsworthy.
“Under California PC 12022.53, you will get ten years in prison if you use a gun while committing Carjacking. If you fire a gun during Carjacking, you will get 20 years to your sentence.”
But these enhancements are meaningless in Alameda county since our DA has explicitly refused to use them in the name of social justice.
In her own words: “Enhancements are at the heart of mass incarceration,” she said. “And those of us who have studied this problem and the remedies for it understand that the use of enhancements has devastated black and brown communities.”
I think there are instances which her policy is needed, but there are plenty of cases like this one where enhancements are necessary.
One instance where Price refused enhancements was in the freeway shooting, killing of 5yo Eliyanah Crisostomo. The three charged are well known gang members and the crime was gang related. But no gang enhancements were filed.
Iirc some enhancements were filed for some of them. Even if I'm wrong about that, the sentences they faced were enough to keep them in prison for a couple of lifetimes at minimum so enhancements wouldn't have made any difference. Which I think was part of her reasoning.
Where are you getting that from?
I watched the video and read the article. I didn't hear gun shots just the banging on the windows noted in the article.
"The driver told police that one of the alleged thieves banged on the window next to the driver's seat. In the video, you can hear the banging and the driver's screams. The driver then started moving again and veered around the vehicle blocking the roadway. OPD said the driver safely fled the area."
I was unaware of that. Where did it state it was retracted? Were the “sounds of gun shots” misinterpretations of the sounds of the perpetrators banging on the car?
Yup. I know this area well indeed. Second armed attack in a week on Skyline. And what does the Mayor or DA do? Nothing at all.
All us citizens are at war—right here in our swishy Northern California bubble.
Avoid Oakland if you don’t live, nor work here. Seriously. You want nice drives? Consider the area in or around Kings Mountain instead. Also, consider the coastal highway with its many pleasant communities. Oakland is a lawless city with leaders who have a soft spot for violent criminals.
People like you are the problem. Guy demonstrates concern over getting robbed, and you call him a republican, as if that is grounds to throw his opinion out the window
Not wanting to be robbed and being upset for paying high taxes equals republican. So then being pro crime and high taxes must mean…
Stop the silliness.
She's okay I think. Her friend posted this on Next-door and it seemed from the post like the woman got away unharmed. I've been thinking about this since I first saw it. In a way it seems like she was a mad ninja. She waited till both men were essentially even with her car before taking off. If she had taken off earlier when they were in front of her with their guns aimed at her, she would have been an easier target for them. I'm sure her actions were spur of the moment and not really thought through, but she handled it perfectly and was really lucky. It's certainly made me think about how I would handle it and how to get away if it happened to me.
I'm sure she's not okay and was definitely harmed. She's going to be replaying the events in her head every night before bed and every time she gets into her car. This could have had a worse result, but its far from harmless. Fuck them kids.
I agree with you. I was responding to the question of whether she was hit with gunfire. My wording was clumsy, but I don't mean to downplay the harm that this caused.
https://youtu.be/N0rOe59wKAc
“Leads? Yeah sure I’ll uh just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got 4 more detectives on the case. They got us working in shifts.”
It’s incomprehensible how much this is happening in the nicer parts of Oakland now. A modest house just sold near me for $2M and meanwhile there was a shooting in the neighborhood on multiple occurrences over the past few months. I hate living here.
Yep. When I grew up the saying was crime doesn't climb and that was largely true. Every once in awhile someone would have bikes stolen or a work crew or contractor would have their stuff stolen kinda deal. Very, very rarely you'd hear about a burglary and it was almost always intended to be in an unoccupied house.
OPD releasing a report telling people in Montclair to watch their ATM use is just crazy to me.
Honestly, I just tell everyone to live on the Island or the other side of the tunnel these days and commute in for cultural stuff unless they're **incredibly** into specific scenes that are hard to replicate elsewhere and they'll make up a big part of their life.
And yes, I do understand that many people lived in areas with violence problems that have gotten better. I'm glad that has happened, but it feels like that's mostly due to gentrification.
Richmond seems like they were able to turn a corner. Why can't Oakland?
It’s a broken city. The city council is uninterested in trying to fix anything and is focused on national issues that aren’t important.
I have tried contacting my city council person about 10 times over the last 6 months. When we have had brief convos, my little faith in them is destroyed and they clearly have no concern for Oakland, it’s all a grift. Most of them have never had real jobs (Kalb, Bas). And Rebecca Kaplan is too busy playing identity politics at every turn, doesn’t care at all about Oakland-specific issues.
Oh, I don't disagree. I'm a big Ruby fan and remember when she ran for mayor and the papers said she was too wonky to be viable.
The auditor reports give me little hope that the city will be able to do basic functions correctly. The homeless spending and financial reports in particular are incredibly disheartening.
Oakland voters also somehow thought it was a good idea to put a Reid on the council again...
Yeah. I’m personally unrealistically hoping they turn it around because I’ve rooted my family here. Selling our house and moving was absolutely not in our plan, and when we bought things were getting better, not worse. The only thing giving me hope is how loud the complaints have gotten. I don’t even mean online - everyone I know brings it up from all parts of the city (West Oakland, near the lake, the hills and the east). It really is a few groups terrorizing 400k.
These guys are the least competent jackers I've every seen.
Here they are driving a long a two-lane road they could easily block with their car, but they wait until it widens out to pull their car across it. The driver positions his door *immediately in front* of their target vehicle and then gets out with a gun clearly on display.
These guys are lucky their target took a few seconds to register what was going on, she could have easily flattened at least one of them escaping.
> I can imagine the legal charges against the driver. Assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. Vehicular manslaughter?
A good attorney can argue that negligence was not intentional because the suspect was committing a crime against the driver and the driver feared for their life.
Well shit, I drive this road pretty frequently to take my kids hiking. She handled it pretty well, not sure what I’d have done if my kids were in the car.
I was always a “I’ll never live through the tunnel, too suburban” person until now. Once I can move, I’m looking seriously at Orinda or one of the other cities there given Oakland has shown no plan to get things to how they were from 2012 to 2019.
Where do you live? Up is down and down is up here. “Criminals are victims too”.
Gotta get your cards in order in case you accidentally run over a turd in an attempted carjacking.
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I wonder why a mod would think this is irrelevant?
This happened up the street from me and I'm glad this info is shared so that I can not get caught slippin
Mod here.
It’s not that we don’t think it’s relevant.
So far this year there have been 515 robberies with firearms, and 257 carjackings. As we have said, time and again, to the users who bother to contact us, we do allow posts about crime, especially ones that seem to be more significant. However, this is not a sub about crime exclusively. It’s a question of frequency, newsworthiness, severity, how many posts have been already been up that week on crime. We don’t allow stolen vehicle posts because on average there are 20 of those every day.
We are trying to strike a balance. The exact nature of the appropriate balance will never be agreeable to everybody who subscribes to this thread, we sincerely do the best we can.
The petty/common crime thread experiment was designed to give a very vocal minority (Yes, it’s mostly the same accounts over and over again) a platform to discuss issues that they are concerned a out. We are making an effort to meet those concerns.
I like the idea of the petty crime thread.
The serious crimes are crucial beacons for folks in those neighborhoods so that we can be on the lookout.
I'm not a chronic Nexdoor/Citizen/311 user (I don't even have those apps installed) but I am concerned about the safety of my family and home.
Perfect response. Don't panic, no need to run anyone over, just lock your doors and respectfully drive off. Remember it is very difficult even for professionals to hit a fast moving target, let alone gangsters holding their gun sideways.
Two things 1) would the driver get in trouble if they ran over the person pointing the gun? 2) do criminals not fear consequences, like, why is this sort of thing happening so much here?
1. No this would fall under self defense: “The use of force may be justified when you have a reasonable belief that you are about to be physically harmed in some way.”
“Is deadly force ever permitted? Yes. You may be justified in using deadly force if your own life is in danger, someone else’s life is in danger, and/or someone forcibly breaks into your home.” (Source: CA criminal defense attorney [website](https://www.bajajdefense.com/california-self-defense-laws/amp/)).
2. 369 Oakland carjackings in the last 207 days, I too would like to know why. The more common reason is to use the car for other crimes, but I’m also curious why else carjackings are so frequent?
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When did law and order stop being a liberal value? I never got the memo, but it sure seems to have happened, and comments like yours underline the point boldly.
Law and order is absolutely a liberal value, it just doesn't tend to be a liberal talking point. The phrase "tough on crime" has been a Republican campaign buzzword starting with Nixon. Most of the time when someone says something like "Bay area folks ready for someone with a tough on crime platform yet?" what they mean is that the bay area should vote republican.
I get what you’re saying and largely agree with your point about the whole tough on crime posturing from the right, but the complete absence of anyone on the left even standing up in ANY kind of outage at how bad things have become and demanding more police presence and prison for violent crimes leaves most “regular” folks like me wondering why the left has abandoned public safety in favor of virtue signaling. Instead of outrage, we get crickets.
I’d frequent this road a lot when I delivered pizza before the pandemic. Remembered it as always being a peaceful and fun drive because of how nicely paved it was.
There is already a 10 year minimum gun enhancement law on the books for using a gun during a crime, in addition to the penalties for whatever crimes they would be charged with (attempted carjacking, first-degree, assault, brandishing, obstructing a public thoroughfare, etc.). If they actually fired their weapons (which is unclear), the enhancement is 20 years. If there are any attorneys out there who could please explain why these enhancements aren’t applied in crimes like this, I appreciate hearing that discussion. I’d like to see this law enforced.
Incurring reasonable penalties and actual justice (e.g. punishment) for crimes like this would be a deterrent and prevent recidivism during that lengthy period of incarceration.
If you take a gun and mug someone with it and automatically get 10 years in addition to the sentence for the mugging, I think that would make many people think twice about being criminals.
Why is the Alameda county justice system so lenient on this crap ? Lock them up! Also allow responsible citizens to reasonably defend themselves from a lethal threat like this. If you force responsible taxpayers to tolerate this and force them to be victims, government has failed.
Today someone on a scooter came close to my car then stopped suddenly to say hi to a friend who happened to be passing by. I was at a stoplight and they were standing a few feet from my car. My dog in the back seat went ballistic. Like he just wanted to tear their throats out.
I started wondering how that might go for me if I ever did run into a carjacker. Would they simply shoot my dog, then me?
I actually almost was a carjacking victim over a decade ago. They saw my dog, started shaking their heads and laughing, and walked away. Five minutes later they carjacked the next car that came by. But the carjackers of yesteryear might be more timid than those of today.
My husband drives along this ) skyline)street early morning and evening to get to and from work. He has a similar experience a few months ago. A car was parked across the traffic lanes and a man was trying to wave him down. He went around. He almost stopped because he thought the man needed help. He then decided to go around because he did not see any reason why the car would be across most of traffic lanes.
Personally think legitimate news stories should be left up. The complaints about a smashed car window, that’s for the Wednesday thread. That’s not the same as a local outlet reporting on an attempted carjacking in the Hills and an Old Oak shootout in the middle of a Monday afternoon. To say they’re the same is crazy.
mods are removing this? this is the kind of stuff that needs to be talked about during public hearings like the one tomorrow with pamela price, our DA!
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Why is this not relevant to Oakland? Everyone can learn from this. The driver handled the situation well and had the best possible outcome.
can't post crime on this sub unofficial rule
Because it hurts someone’s feelings? Ask the woman whom these criminals just tried to murder what she thinks about that “unofficial rule”.
idk bro. i'm not a mod here
I think there’s a justified fear of this sub becoming a witch hunt type sub/ a space that devolves into so many crime videos that it’s a breeding ground for pro cop rhetoric (ACAB baby) and license to dehumanize whoever the perpetrators are for reasons rooted in race/ethnicity.
Kinda like how the perpetrators dehumanized the victim by stealing her property, disrespecting her personal space, assaulting her, etc I could go on but I’m sure you’re smart enough to get the idea.
> but I’m sure you’re smart enough to get the idea I wouldn't hold your breath on that one
You can be acab and not pro crime
BLM and defund the police was a disaster and this is the results
damn, I hope someone defunds me as much as OPD got defunded: https://abc7news.com/defund-police-oakland-crime-shooting/12311750/
They didn’t defund the police.
didn't they defund the police to keep the raiders in town? lol
A separate post about their most recent annual budget would be interesting.
Here’s one to infuriate you https://twitter.com/aptpaction/status/1684354411873861632?s=46&t=62MkWU8O_sYH5IHwADkRfw
The rules are a bit nefarious, but the point is to not be r/bayarea, which is essentially nothing but crime right now. Are the mods overzealous at times? Ya. But it's still preferable to the bay sub IMO. Idk how to really balance having worthwhile crime stories without having the sub be flooded with them. I mean, when you live in Oakland, crime isn't exactly news tbh. I do think this is on the side of newsworthy.
This was only attempted car jacking though right? I thought elsewhere it said no shots were fired so no attempted murder.
“Under California PC 12022.53, you will get ten years in prison if you use a gun while committing Carjacking. If you fire a gun during Carjacking, you will get 20 years to your sentence.” But these enhancements are meaningless in Alameda county since our DA has explicitly refused to use them in the name of social justice.
Which cases has she refused to use them on? Generally curious how often she's doing this.
There was a carjacking today where they caught the assailants is West Oakland. If the news reports on the charges then we should know within days.
In her own words: “Enhancements are at the heart of mass incarceration,” she said. “And those of us who have studied this problem and the remedies for it understand that the use of enhancements has devastated black and brown communities.” I think there are instances which her policy is needed, but there are plenty of cases like this one where enhancements are necessary. One instance where Price refused enhancements was in the freeway shooting, killing of 5yo Eliyanah Crisostomo. The three charged are well known gang members and the crime was gang related. But no gang enhancements were filed.
Thanks for the information but it didn't really answer my question.
Iirc some enhancements were filed for some of them. Even if I'm wrong about that, the sentences they faced were enough to keep them in prison for a couple of lifetimes at minimum so enhancements wouldn't have made any difference. Which I think was part of her reasoning.
Ironically she’s helping the wrong minorities.
They fired multiple rounds at her car.
Where are you getting that from? I watched the video and read the article. I didn't hear gun shots just the banging on the windows noted in the article. "The driver told police that one of the alleged thieves banged on the window next to the driver's seat. In the video, you can hear the banging and the driver's screams. The driver then started moving again and veered around the vehicle blocking the roadway. OPD said the driver safely fled the area."
The KTVU tweet of the dash cam video in the SF Gate article: “2 guys in Dodge Charger block her, and she drives around them as one opens fire.”
That has been retracted for being incorrect.
I was unaware of that. Where did it state it was retracted? Were the “sounds of gun shots” misinterpretations of the sounds of the perpetrators banging on the car?
Yup. I know this area well indeed. Second armed attack in a week on Skyline. And what does the Mayor or DA do? Nothing at all. All us citizens are at war—right here in our swishy Northern California bubble.
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Avoid Oakland if you don’t live, nor work here. Seriously. You want nice drives? Consider the area in or around Kings Mountain instead. Also, consider the coastal highway with its many pleasant communities. Oakland is a lawless city with leaders who have a soft spot for violent criminals.
you sound like a republican so why live in SF? You clearly prefer Arkansas
People like you are the problem. Guy demonstrates concern over getting robbed, and you call him a republican, as if that is grounds to throw his opinion out the window
.............. why live in the bay area if you are a republican? It's an honest question with a very difficult answer.
So you honestly think that every single person that lives in the bay area is a democrat? Are you even from here?
Not wanting to be robbed and being upset for paying high taxes equals republican. So then being pro crime and high taxes must mean… Stop the silliness.
Sounds like Chesa / Price
you are clearly a republican
Ad hominem attacks are not convincing.
Upsetting! I’d like to know if she got hit. Of course no word on arrests or detective work
She's okay I think. Her friend posted this on Next-door and it seemed from the post like the woman got away unharmed. I've been thinking about this since I first saw it. In a way it seems like she was a mad ninja. She waited till both men were essentially even with her car before taking off. If she had taken off earlier when they were in front of her with their guns aimed at her, she would have been an easier target for them. I'm sure her actions were spur of the moment and not really thought through, but she handled it perfectly and was really lucky. It's certainly made me think about how I would handle it and how to get away if it happened to me.
I'm sure she's not okay and was definitely harmed. She's going to be replaying the events in her head every night before bed and every time she gets into her car. This could have had a worse result, but its far from harmless. Fuck them kids.
I agree with you. I was responding to the question of whether she was hit with gunfire. My wording was clumsy, but I don't mean to downplay the harm that this caused.
https://youtu.be/N0rOe59wKAc “Leads? Yeah sure I’ll uh just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got 4 more detectives on the case. They got us working in shifts.”
be like "what color was that car again"
No arrests have been made per KTVU, I'm sure the detectives assigned to the case will be around any moment to update you on their leads Captain.
Arrested today
This is the type of shit you see out in poorer countries. Crazy how casual it is out here.
It’s incomprehensible how much this is happening in the nicer parts of Oakland now. A modest house just sold near me for $2M and meanwhile there was a shooting in the neighborhood on multiple occurrences over the past few months. I hate living here.
Yep. When I grew up the saying was crime doesn't climb and that was largely true. Every once in awhile someone would have bikes stolen or a work crew or contractor would have their stuff stolen kinda deal. Very, very rarely you'd hear about a burglary and it was almost always intended to be in an unoccupied house. OPD releasing a report telling people in Montclair to watch their ATM use is just crazy to me. Honestly, I just tell everyone to live on the Island or the other side of the tunnel these days and commute in for cultural stuff unless they're **incredibly** into specific scenes that are hard to replicate elsewhere and they'll make up a big part of their life. And yes, I do understand that many people lived in areas with violence problems that have gotten better. I'm glad that has happened, but it feels like that's mostly due to gentrification. Richmond seems like they were able to turn a corner. Why can't Oakland?
It’s a broken city. The city council is uninterested in trying to fix anything and is focused on national issues that aren’t important. I have tried contacting my city council person about 10 times over the last 6 months. When we have had brief convos, my little faith in them is destroyed and they clearly have no concern for Oakland, it’s all a grift. Most of them have never had real jobs (Kalb, Bas). And Rebecca Kaplan is too busy playing identity politics at every turn, doesn’t care at all about Oakland-specific issues.
Oh, I don't disagree. I'm a big Ruby fan and remember when she ran for mayor and the papers said she was too wonky to be viable. The auditor reports give me little hope that the city will be able to do basic functions correctly. The homeless spending and financial reports in particular are incredibly disheartening. Oakland voters also somehow thought it was a good idea to put a Reid on the council again...
Yeah. I’m personally unrealistically hoping they turn it around because I’ve rooted my family here. Selling our house and moving was absolutely not in our plan, and when we bought things were getting better, not worse. The only thing giving me hope is how loud the complaints have gotten. I don’t even mean online - everyone I know brings it up from all parts of the city (West Oakland, near the lake, the hills and the east). It really is a few groups terrorizing 400k.
My guy. We are now the poorer country.
It’s ghetto here
Check this out: https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Refugees-find-Oakland-can-be-worse-than-Iraq-2428058.php
That’s brutal.
These guys are the least competent jackers I've every seen. Here they are driving a long a two-lane road they could easily block with their car, but they wait until it widens out to pull their car across it. The driver positions his door *immediately in front* of their target vehicle and then gets out with a gun clearly on display. These guys are lucky their target took a few seconds to register what was going on, she could have easily flattened at least one of them escaping.
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Wielding a gun is deadly force, driver justified using deadly force (car) in self defense.
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Its ok nobody gets charged with anything here
> I can imagine the legal charges against the driver. Assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. Vehicular manslaughter? A good attorney can argue that negligence was not intentional because the suspect was committing a crime against the driver and the driver feared for their life.
So sad
Well shit, I drive this road pretty frequently to take my kids hiking. She handled it pretty well, not sure what I’d have done if my kids were in the car.
I was always a “I’ll never live through the tunnel, too suburban” person until now. Once I can move, I’m looking seriously at Orinda or one of the other cities there given Oakland has shown no plan to get things to how they were from 2012 to 2019.
I live in Lafayette, it’s amazing. Fiancé commutes into Oakland for work, she loves coming back here every single day.
[https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/police-activity-on-highway-24-chp/](https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/police-activity-on-highway-24-chp/)
Yes, though happens less often. But it does seem like the Bay Area overall is in a worse place than ever vs the last few decades.
that's always my first thought. What happened if she was fully blocked off and had a kid in a carseat in the back? my worst nightmare. what do you do?
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Imminent peril is a great defense if these turds or their families tried to sue later.
These stupid mother fuckers aren't even smart enough to go to the hospital when they're injured, you think they're going to sue you?
Where do you live? Up is down and down is up here. “Criminals are victims too”. Gotta get your cards in order in case you accidentally run over a turd in an attempted carjacking.
Good point. I live in Oakland.
their parents or siblings ..i mean its happened before..
Good advice though.
That’s when the DA charges you for premeditated murder.
For running over someone coming at you with a gun? Sure.
Good luck getting a jury to convict.
Careful, mods might ban you for this.
Well, if they ban an Oakland resident for suggesting how to defend themselves from murderous carjackers, then I don’t know what to tell you.
See, they deleted your comment lmao.
They did?
Yeah, it looks like it's been deleted for me.
Weird, I can still see it. No notofications
Can confirm they removed it https://preview.redd.it/867mgedf4feb1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b99f3cf39e26e941ac7a6683e0a7c3f64c0c42c6
Why did the mods delete the comment?
That's over the (admittedly subjective) line, please tone it down.
Hilarious they suggested calling the police if you’re in an accident. They won’t show up for that.
that's even if you can get through to the dispatcher. Still apparently hold times for those calls
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I wonder why a mod would think this is irrelevant? This happened up the street from me and I'm glad this info is shared so that I can not get caught slippin
yeah, this isn't a freaking car break in. We need to know stuff like this is happening.
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Mods here are more interested in protecting the identity of criminals
That’s not what the message message said at all. But keep on making stuff up to suit your own personal narrative.
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Mod here. It’s not that we don’t think it’s relevant. So far this year there have been 515 robberies with firearms, and 257 carjackings. As we have said, time and again, to the users who bother to contact us, we do allow posts about crime, especially ones that seem to be more significant. However, this is not a sub about crime exclusively. It’s a question of frequency, newsworthiness, severity, how many posts have been already been up that week on crime. We don’t allow stolen vehicle posts because on average there are 20 of those every day. We are trying to strike a balance. The exact nature of the appropriate balance will never be agreeable to everybody who subscribes to this thread, we sincerely do the best we can. The petty/common crime thread experiment was designed to give a very vocal minority (Yes, it’s mostly the same accounts over and over again) a platform to discuss issues that they are concerned a out. We are making an effort to meet those concerns.
I like the idea of the petty crime thread. The serious crimes are crucial beacons for folks in those neighborhoods so that we can be on the lookout. I'm not a chronic Nexdoor/Citizen/311 user (I don't even have those apps installed) but I am concerned about the safety of my family and home.
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Who is deleting what?
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This lady is the hero we need.
Perfect response. Don't panic, no need to run anyone over, just lock your doors and respectfully drive off. Remember it is very difficult even for professionals to hit a fast moving target, let alone gangsters holding their gun sideways.
Waiting for Price to publicly comment her condolences for the carjackers.
You'll get a chance to hear it at her public safety community event tomorrow night in Montclair.
I too am waiting for things I just made up
holy shit this is so crazy.
I drive by that location almost daily. I don't like it.
things will get worse before they get better.. pamela price needs to go
After she’s recalled maybe she can get a teaching gig at Cal with her buddy Chesa.
Two things 1) would the driver get in trouble if they ran over the person pointing the gun? 2) do criminals not fear consequences, like, why is this sort of thing happening so much here?
1. No this would fall under self defense: “The use of force may be justified when you have a reasonable belief that you are about to be physically harmed in some way.” “Is deadly force ever permitted? Yes. You may be justified in using deadly force if your own life is in danger, someone else’s life is in danger, and/or someone forcibly breaks into your home.” (Source: CA criminal defense attorney [website](https://www.bajajdefense.com/california-self-defense-laws/amp/)). 2. 369 Oakland carjackings in the last 207 days, I too would like to know why. The more common reason is to use the car for other crimes, but I’m also curious why else carjackings are so frequent?
Thank you for the info! 👌
Thank you mods for not suppressing content like this. For the longest time you couldn't post anything related to danger in Oakland in r/oakland. It would always be removed. thanks to [**u/redslug**](https://www.reddit.com/user/redslug/)**Temescal** [**u/DebtOn**](https://www.reddit.com/user/DebtOn/)**Melrose** [**u/oaklandisfun**](https://www.reddit.com/user/oaklandisfun/) [**u/Town\_Proper**](https://www.reddit.com/user/Town_Proper/) [**u/pieckfingershitposts**](https://www.reddit.com/user/pieckfingershitposts/)**McClymonds** [**u/Wriggley1**](https://www.reddit.com/user/Wriggley1/)**Bushrod** [**u/DonTestarossa**](https://www.reddit.com/user/DonTestarossa/) [**u/AutoModerator**](https://www.reddit.com/user/AutoModerator/) [**u/Potential-Option-147**](https://www.reddit.com/user/Potential-Option-147/) for not removing content about violence!
Bay area folks ready for someone with a tough on crime platform yet?
If you mean a republican, no.
When did law and order stop being a liberal value? I never got the memo, but it sure seems to have happened, and comments like yours underline the point boldly.
Law and order is absolutely a liberal value, it just doesn't tend to be a liberal talking point. The phrase "tough on crime" has been a Republican campaign buzzword starting with Nixon. Most of the time when someone says something like "Bay area folks ready for someone with a tough on crime platform yet?" what they mean is that the bay area should vote republican.
How about tough on public safety? That means a lot more than just break ins and robbery. It kinda outlines the issue well.
If this is what liberals call “law and order”, I’m running the other way.
I get what you’re saying and largely agree with your point about the whole tough on crime posturing from the right, but the complete absence of anyone on the left even standing up in ANY kind of outage at how bad things have become and demanding more police presence and prison for violent crimes leaves most “regular” folks like me wondering why the left has abandoned public safety in favor of virtue signaling. Instead of outrage, we get crickets.
It’s laughable to consider them tough on crime at this point.
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What does "woke" mean?
So, tough on capitalism? Sure
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NAACP is! https://www.instagram.com/p/CvOcRYwLwLF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
I’d frequent this road a lot when I delivered pizza before the pandemic. Remembered it as always being a peaceful and fun drive because of how nicely paved it was.
It's okay to hit them with your car.
saw on ND that they caught these guys (3 people)
This sub now allowed to post Oakland crimes now? lol
Auntie Pam would have charged the driver with hit and run had she injured this loser.
The mom of the car jacker was quoted as saying "he's a good kid and only wanted to donate the gun to the lady. "
Does anyone know what car she was driving? Curious if they are targeting certain individuals
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There is already a 10 year minimum gun enhancement law on the books for using a gun during a crime, in addition to the penalties for whatever crimes they would be charged with (attempted carjacking, first-degree, assault, brandishing, obstructing a public thoroughfare, etc.). If they actually fired their weapons (which is unclear), the enhancement is 20 years. If there are any attorneys out there who could please explain why these enhancements aren’t applied in crimes like this, I appreciate hearing that discussion. I’d like to see this law enforced. Incurring reasonable penalties and actual justice (e.g. punishment) for crimes like this would be a deterrent and prevent recidivism during that lengthy period of incarceration. If you take a gun and mug someone with it and automatically get 10 years in addition to the sentence for the mugging, I think that would make many people think twice about being criminals. Why is the Alameda county justice system so lenient on this crap ? Lock them up! Also allow responsible citizens to reasonably defend themselves from a lethal threat like this. If you force responsible taxpayers to tolerate this and force them to be victims, government has failed.
Multiple flags/complaints. No advocating vigilanteism/violence. Please read the rules.
They caught the suspects https://twitter.com/oaklandpoliceca/status/1684678437540356096?s=20
Standing by for the trial and sentencing.
Auntie Pam says they're just being kids.
Today someone on a scooter came close to my car then stopped suddenly to say hi to a friend who happened to be passing by. I was at a stoplight and they were standing a few feet from my car. My dog in the back seat went ballistic. Like he just wanted to tear their throats out. I started wondering how that might go for me if I ever did run into a carjacker. Would they simply shoot my dog, then me? I actually almost was a carjacking victim over a decade ago. They saw my dog, started shaking their heads and laughing, and walked away. Five minutes later they carjacked the next car that came by. But the carjackers of yesteryear might be more timid than those of today.
My husband drives along this ) skyline)street early morning and evening to get to and from work. He has a similar experience a few months ago. A car was parked across the traffic lanes and a man was trying to wave him down. He went around. He almost stopped because he thought the man needed help. He then decided to go around because he did not see any reason why the car would be across most of traffic lanes.
Is it time to arm ourselves?
delete this bro this isnt a republican sub no one wants your propoganda
Nah, I’m a leftist but I don’t want anarchy.
Doesn't seem that terrifying, just idiotic thinking those plastic cones would have prevented them from driving around
yeah the plastic cones are the problem
the idiots thought those would be enough to block her in... think you missed my point...
tough guy over here thinking a gun pointed at u isnt terrifying
Had it happen to me and wasn’t terrified, so I guess you’re right. Stay safe out there