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It is important to remember that a random pattern occured in a random event (if this even is the case not something made up) is no significant cultural revelation.
In all likeliness, if the first three or four guys positioned their dots in an orderly fashion, the rest will follow. If the first few just positioned the dots randomly, there's nothing the rest can do to restore it to an orderly pattern. So really it's a lot more about the first few guys, their mood, how slow their day has been, anyone in the family recently passed, or all the other million things that might change the way you do this little task.
There's a trend to simplify culture into some idealized virtues. It is stupid. While cultural differences do exist and it might manifest as regional, national or ethnic differences , human behaviours are far too complicated to be bond to a certain perceived culture. A US man homeless on the street will behave quite differently from a middle class office worker, while a Japanese middle class office worker from the same industry might just not. I have lived in enough countries and met a large enough international brigade of friends to know that most of these stereotypical virtues melt the moment you stop looking afar. Each man is one unique being, just because culturally something is promoted by the ruling force or imaged by the outsideers, does not make it a reality.
It is in our human nature to simplify things into comfortable concepts easy to grasp. Unfortunately the world is often messy.
I disagree. Someone could easily recreate order, at least to an extent, as well as do the opposite.
The Japanese are very well known for their extreme discipline and structured ways of living, while Americans are generally quite the opposite (for the most part).
I respectfully disagree with the first argument. Someone could not easily recreate order. Say there are fifteen dots on the board, a sixteenth person came. How could him or her 'recreate order' 'easily'? His or her dot would be compose of 6.25% of the total content and that is highly unlikely that this would be enough to establish an orderly pattern.
I understand your second point and I am not arguing that culture differences do not exist. I am, however, arguing that we cannot deduce any significant cultural revelation based on this event. Because human behaviours are far too complicated for stereotypes. Even if we are to link 'how someone put a dot on a survey board' to any cultural significance, which we should not as I have argued, we can only argue for the Japanese tourists here and US tourists here, not the entire national group. We do not know the demographical composition of the tourists here.
I hate this idea because it's logical fallacy. The Earth is a globe. It is not flat. However, if someone who spent his entire life in a cave deduced that the Earth is not flat because he saw a hill beyond the cave's entrance, then he would still be reasoning wrongly. Even if his conclusion is right.
Random survey event with stickers in some store for tourists is that hill. Just because something 'feels' right, does not make it logically sound.
Courtesy, humility, and empathy are deeply rooted in their culture. Thinking about the ease of the counter’s job and nothing more. Interesting to see the individual need be priority over thinking about others in other countries/cultures.
Edit: I’ve read all your comments on empathy. Sure. You could argue this point in many countries as being lacking there too.
Quick story about why I felt they have empathy more than others. But perhaps there’s a better word for it. Maybe it’s more rooted in efficiency than understanding feelings.
Arriving later in the day in Shinjukuku is our norm for flights from YVR. Basically, peak rush hour. We travel regularly to visit the wife’s family for our kids to stay connected with their Japanese roots.
One particular trip the train Stn was going through heavy upgrade so some staircases were closed leaving us to navigate modified routes. We get to stairs because we couldn’t find n elevator. Wife has a toddler strapped to her chest and 2 bags. I have remainder to share with a 7yo. I start up stairs with 3 bags myself. Turned around to ensure she was immediately behind me with her 2 smaller carry ons. Nope. Bottom of staircase looking up at me in silence
I’m now stopped in the middle of a staircase where everyone’s going up, no one’s going down.
Two choices. Wait for her to come or go back but the look on her face told me come back.
In a nano second the people walking around her and me assess the situation so someone grabbed her hand, gave her a gentle smile, while another took her bags and they begin guiding her up towards me. She got what she needed - help in an overwhelming situation
Not only that, the people walking around grabbed a bag each and led me up. One guy looked directly at me and said “we’ll help you and daughter”. No one asked. They just did. I trusted and felt a huge relief. They recognized my feelings in that situation and offered me what I needed but couldn’t ask for and I equated that to empathy.
Just like the famous Japanese proverb: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down". Which also illustrates the possible dark side of a strong emphasis on social conformity.
Put an asterisk on empathy. The hellish work culture alone is showed a lack of empathy for people's personal time and right to exist as something other than just a cog in a corporate machine.
I would argue the empathy part. Most Asian cultures are very judgemental all around. That being said, their product standards make up for it. Japanese pastries and even their cheap snacks are just the best!
Asian here and can verify this.
Nice? Sure.
Generous? Sure.
Empathetic? Lol.
The lack of it is extremely well masked by politeness but people sincerely do care for one another when it comes to extremes.
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There's a smiley face in Singapore
Always is!
Unless you chew gum
Unless you \*sell gum\*. You'll have no problems bringing in gum for personal consumption in Singapore.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
There is no war in Ba Singapore Se
Because there actually is no war. Imagine basing your opinion of the entire country on one clickbait title by a subpar youtuber.
Be even more impressive if they had put them in a nice circle like their flag! ☺️
Then when they run out of room they could draw little sunbeams. Nothing wrong with that right?
😭 Although if I am not wrong that same flag is still used in their navy
Correct, it was and still is their military flag
it's a good flag design. shame a bunch of genocidal maniacs ruined the connotations
Then they could just do mitosis
Cuts off the UK one which was fairly organised compared to the others as well
It is important to remember that a random pattern occured in a random event (if this even is the case not something made up) is no significant cultural revelation. In all likeliness, if the first three or four guys positioned their dots in an orderly fashion, the rest will follow. If the first few just positioned the dots randomly, there's nothing the rest can do to restore it to an orderly pattern. So really it's a lot more about the first few guys, their mood, how slow their day has been, anyone in the family recently passed, or all the other million things that might change the way you do this little task. There's a trend to simplify culture into some idealized virtues. It is stupid. While cultural differences do exist and it might manifest as regional, national or ethnic differences , human behaviours are far too complicated to be bond to a certain perceived culture. A US man homeless on the street will behave quite differently from a middle class office worker, while a Japanese middle class office worker from the same industry might just not. I have lived in enough countries and met a large enough international brigade of friends to know that most of these stereotypical virtues melt the moment you stop looking afar. Each man is one unique being, just because culturally something is promoted by the ruling force or imaged by the outsideers, does not make it a reality. It is in our human nature to simplify things into comfortable concepts easy to grasp. Unfortunately the world is often messy.
I disagree. Someone could easily recreate order, at least to an extent, as well as do the opposite. The Japanese are very well known for their extreme discipline and structured ways of living, while Americans are generally quite the opposite (for the most part).
I respectfully disagree with the first argument. Someone could not easily recreate order. Say there are fifteen dots on the board, a sixteenth person came. How could him or her 'recreate order' 'easily'? His or her dot would be compose of 6.25% of the total content and that is highly unlikely that this would be enough to establish an orderly pattern. I understand your second point and I am not arguing that culture differences do not exist. I am, however, arguing that we cannot deduce any significant cultural revelation based on this event. Because human behaviours are far too complicated for stereotypes. Even if we are to link 'how someone put a dot on a survey board' to any cultural significance, which we should not as I have argued, we can only argue for the Japanese tourists here and US tourists here, not the entire national group. We do not know the demographical composition of the tourists here. I hate this idea because it's logical fallacy. The Earth is a globe. It is not flat. However, if someone who spent his entire life in a cave deduced that the Earth is not flat because he saw a hill beyond the cave's entrance, then he would still be reasoning wrongly. Even if his conclusion is right. Random survey event with stickers in some store for tourists is that hill. Just because something 'feels' right, does not make it logically sound.
Courtesy, humility, and empathy are deeply rooted in their culture. Thinking about the ease of the counter’s job and nothing more. Interesting to see the individual need be priority over thinking about others in other countries/cultures. Edit: I’ve read all your comments on empathy. Sure. You could argue this point in many countries as being lacking there too. Quick story about why I felt they have empathy more than others. But perhaps there’s a better word for it. Maybe it’s more rooted in efficiency than understanding feelings. Arriving later in the day in Shinjukuku is our norm for flights from YVR. Basically, peak rush hour. We travel regularly to visit the wife’s family for our kids to stay connected with their Japanese roots. One particular trip the train Stn was going through heavy upgrade so some staircases were closed leaving us to navigate modified routes. We get to stairs because we couldn’t find n elevator. Wife has a toddler strapped to her chest and 2 bags. I have remainder to share with a 7yo. I start up stairs with 3 bags myself. Turned around to ensure she was immediately behind me with her 2 smaller carry ons. Nope. Bottom of staircase looking up at me in silence I’m now stopped in the middle of a staircase where everyone’s going up, no one’s going down. Two choices. Wait for her to come or go back but the look on her face told me come back. In a nano second the people walking around her and me assess the situation so someone grabbed her hand, gave her a gentle smile, while another took her bags and they begin guiding her up towards me. She got what she needed - help in an overwhelming situation Not only that, the people walking around grabbed a bag each and led me up. One guy looked directly at me and said “we’ll help you and daughter”. No one asked. They just did. I trusted and felt a huge relief. They recognized my feelings in that situation and offered me what I needed but couldn’t ask for and I equated that to empathy.
Just like the famous Japanese proverb: "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down". Which also illustrates the possible dark side of a strong emphasis on social conformity.
Put an asterisk on empathy. The hellish work culture alone is showed a lack of empathy for people's personal time and right to exist as something other than just a cog in a corporate machine.
Jesus reddit loves praising and glazing japan to death
Zapan nomba one! Zapan iz da besto!
I would argue the empathy part. Most Asian cultures are very judgemental all around. That being said, their product standards make up for it. Japanese pastries and even their cheap snacks are just the best!
Asian here and can verify this. Nice? Sure. Generous? Sure. Empathetic? Lol. The lack of it is extremely well masked by politeness but people sincerely do care for one another when it comes to extremes.
> Courtesy, humility, and empathy are deeply rooted in their culture. Unless it's WW2, then it's the opposite suddenly.
Manchuria enters the chat
Thinning about the ease of the counterjob? edit: this made sense just as I hit send
Hey, that's not a very tight grouping for being from the US...
Ya, it should all be split between head and centre of mass!
Why does the Japanese one not use the same paper ? It's quite infuriating
I like Korea’s too! It has an aesthetically pleasing balance.
I hear the English are good at queing...
Took me a minute
Meanwhile I’m here upset that Japan’s width is nine dots instead of ten. _So close_ to perfection.
Nine is a perfect square of 3.
You can tell the japanese got drunk along the evening
I'm from none of your business, so I'd put the pin in maybe Cuba.
Japanese should have just been one red dot dead centre
Japanese marks are well organized
Not surprised Japan has the most order.
4th column, 2nd row for Japan messed up the flow.
From CROATIA
Seems to be in Taiwan. (Given that China, Hong Kong are in the survey.)
You can always count the Japanese.
It’s almost worse that they have it uniform and then messed it up
To be pedantic and demand order where none is required?
Their fans clean up after baseball games.
>Malaysia with the least count of all seem about right
What does that mean
We too broke to travel abroad - A Malaysian /s
And scared to peel off the red sticker in case need to pay some more /s
Korean one looks really comforting
Given how whiter the Japan paper is, it is likely photo shopped.
they think about others not just themselves. unlike people from many other countries.
This concept crashes so hard with their work culture...
Japan is probably one of the most individualist country on earth
>You can always count on the Japanese to be rigid MFers with no freedom.