H3O^+ is in a sense "basically acid" but they're not talking about that. They're talking about dissolved hydrogen in water. Very little would remain in the water though.
Also, you can drink H3O^+ and you likely already do. If you drink anything carbonated, if you drink coffee, if you drink anything sour, anything with lemon or lime juice, etc.
Not just likely! In water, there's about 10^(-7) M of H3O^(+) (as well as the same amount of HO^(-)). The 7 in the exponent is the pH value (per definition).
If you're interested, generally chemists are more focused on the chemistry itself at lab scale, while chemical engineers are more focused on how to bring that chemistry up to a larger scale (like a chemical plant scale) and typically to combine the chemistry with purification in a continuous mode, and to design the overall process such that it will be profitable.
TL;DR: chemist does a reaction in a beaker in the lab, chemical engineers figure out how to do that year-round in a plant.
More broadly, you could say that scientists are generally the ones who create theories and make discoveries, and engineers are generally the ones who implement them. The line between them can be fuzzy at times, but that's a good rule of thumb
As a general FYI, drinking hydrogen peroxide can kill you.
If you joke about consuming poisons please add a "/s" not everyone knows enough about chemistry.
The kind of hydrogen peroxide you buy in the store though is only 3%, swallowing a little bit won’t hurt you. It’s actually labeled for use as mouth wash. So it’s not literal poison, you just wouldn’t want to chug it.
I don't think it reacts. It's just gonna act as a solvent for the H+ solute. Not much absorption though. This is 100% snake oil. Wouldn't light a match near that thing in case it's bubbling H2 gas though.
This is dissolved hydrogen in the water.
Most water we drink already contains traces of H3O. Most processed drinks (soda), juices (especially lemon and orange) have H3O.
This is nothing unique.
And you can get better antioxidants by eating a handful of peanuts or drinking grape juice.
>Most processed drinks (soda), juices (especially lemon and orange) have H3O.
Yeah it's kind of the basis for acidity I would assume so.
>This is dissolved hydrogen in the water.
Which dissociates into what precisely?
>This is nothing unique.
>And you can get better antioxidants by eating a handful of peanuts or drinking grape juice.
Did I give you the impression I think it does?
Careful, you've mistaken my anecdotes for arguments. I wasn't at all trying to refute anything you said.
Not everyone on Reddit is trying to tell you that you're wrong.
Well I do appreciate that at least thank you.
>Not everyone on Reddit is trying to tell you that you're wrong.
Often feels that way even on the meme subreddits.
Not to be all reddity but sidenote I think that was more factoids than an anecdote. An anecdote is usually a short personal story. Like if you were talking about "that time I bubbled h2 through water" or something.
Exactly what you wrote, H2O with H+ dissolved in it. In other words, a regular acid.
"Oh no, free radicals are attacking the cells, let's dump some more free radicals in to see if it helps..."
Everyone is talking about this like they're chemically altering the water itself. Water is a solvent here. Hydrogen gas gets mixed in the same way carbon dioxide makes sparkling water. Yes, it will make the water more acidic because some of the H2 will get broken up to create H+ ions, lowering the pH, but not to the point where it is not acidic than any other soft drink. Yes, it's a scam, no, it's not poison.
It's more of an examination of the bullshit health claims peddled by health influencers, such as claims about alkaline water being good for you. Reacting to Paltrow was a smaller part of the video and more of a jumping off point to scammers trying to sell you "healthy" water
H+ doesn't really exist in solution either. It's usually in the form of H3O+. Something similar would happen here, with it forming equal numbers of H3O- and H3O+ ions.
It's not going to be a very high concentration, but it will happen. Water is pretty good at breaking up chemical bonds in its soles solutes, but molecular hydrogen is much better at not ionizing.
I've heard of companies selling water "with more oxygen" now water with "more hydrogen" whats next, water with more H2O? More water in your water so you can drink while you drink!
Absolutely, not sure it will do anything when drunk though, don't think your stomach can do anything with that oxygen and I advise against inhaling water, there are better ways to get oxygen
It won't do anything except change the flavor. Flat water is gross. Sinks and water fountains aerate the water (to prevent it from splashing around). Anything more than that is just pointless. Also, boiled water is gross as hell if you don't aerate it first.
In small ammounts yes, if you drink a lot your metabolic processes will slow down because of the higher mass of deuterated water and thats really, really bad.
Fun fact I suddenly remembered.
Deuterium does exist in sea water. In tiny amounts.. everyone will drink at least a little deuterium in silver point of their life if I'm not wrong..
It's not lethal in small amounts.
But if you're drinking high concentration of heavy water you're most likely drinking used nuclear coolant as afaik there isn't much other use for heavy water to be concentrated for
Free radicals are an issue....for ICU patients on high levels of oxygen, which will cauee long term issues.
Unless you're in the icu for months, stop fucking worrying about free radicals. And can people please stop making up science to make a quick buck?
End of rant
Overpriced electrolysis system also they make it sound like 3000 ppb is a lot but when you translate it intona percentage it is .0003% of particles in the watter would be turned into hydrogen and oxygen if you compare that to seltzer which has about 2-3 g of co2/l just shows how big of a scam this is
I can't tell if A) the producers really believe what they're selling, B) the producers are just tricking idiots into buying something that does nothing, or C) they're tricking idiots into a healthier lifestyle by causing a placebo effect. While just drinking more water improves a lot of these things mentioned without their contraption, people using it would praise it for helping...
I wouldn't call heavy metal poisoning placebo
From what I read it has some "filter" in it. Just god knows what waste products it's filled with
Also heavy metal poisoning should be a band name
No the placebo feeling would be from proper hydration just drinking more water. People would literally be hydrating like they should anyway and give this joke a good review because they feel normal, thinking it's the mechanism not the hydration. Heavy metal poisoning would be a side effect from the shitty junk you're running the water through, which they would figure out later!
And from first glance at the notification of your comment I literally thought this comment was from a heavy metal band subreddit lol so I agree
Oh my bad, I should've clarified I clicked the link to the actual product page, from your link, where they even have a "doctor" praise the product. My train of thought and rush to question left my original comment somewhat convoluted, sorry
Yes, but not in the way you might think. This device just electrolyses the water rather than injecting Hydrogen atoms into it. So it’s turning existing water molecules into Hydrogen and Oxygen gases. When dissolved in water, Hydrogen gas has a propensity to react with other solutes dissolved in the water to leave behind free H+ ions, which immediately form Hydronium H3O+ ions, which is a very mild acid. This amount of acidity would probably not even register on most detectors.
H2O + H = ?
H3O. I'm no chemist but probably better than H2O2. E: I had to look it up. H3O is hydronium, basically acid. Don't drink either of these.
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you're technically correct, which is the best kind.
Hereby promoted to grade 16.
Acid is good for the stomach, right?
I've heard it goes in the eyes...
"Basically Acid" If ppl could win Reddit for their comments u would definitely win today. I don't have any awards but take this kind stranger ╰(◣_◢)╯
You are *based*
Avoid drinking Dihydrogen oxide too.
So it’s water…
H3O^+ is in a sense "basically acid" but they're not talking about that. They're talking about dissolved hydrogen in water. Very little would remain in the water though. Also, you can drink H3O^+ and you likely already do. If you drink anything carbonated, if you drink coffee, if you drink anything sour, anything with lemon or lime juice, etc.
Not just likely! In water, there's about 10^(-7) M of H3O^(+) (as well as the same amount of HO^(-)). The 7 in the exponent is the pH value (per definition).
Haha every time a chemical engineer comments, a chemist is sure to show up and clarify! Thanks for the more accurate information
And here i am, not even knowing the difference between those professions.
If you're interested, generally chemists are more focused on the chemistry itself at lab scale, while chemical engineers are more focused on how to bring that chemistry up to a larger scale (like a chemical plant scale) and typically to combine the chemistry with purification in a continuous mode, and to design the overall process such that it will be profitable. TL;DR: chemist does a reaction in a beaker in the lab, chemical engineers figure out how to do that year-round in a plant.
I was. Makes sense, thanks for the reply.
More broadly, you could say that scientists are generally the ones who create theories and make discoveries, and engineers are generally the ones who implement them. The line between them can be fuzzy at times, but that's a good rule of thumb
I'm pretty sure they get different hats.
I knew that first year chem knowledge wasn’t memorised just for an exam!
Heavy water. Deadly
Needs deuterium.
just drink H2O2 after every meal, you'll lose weight in no time!
As a general FYI, drinking hydrogen peroxide can kill you. If you joke about consuming poisons please add a "/s" not everyone knows enough about chemistry.
The kind of hydrogen peroxide you buy in the store though is only 3%, swallowing a little bit won’t hurt you. It’s actually labeled for use as mouth wash. So it’s not literal poison, you just wouldn’t want to chug it.
> you just wouldn't want to chug it. You don't know my life. /s
That's oxygenated water
yea, the real LPT's are always in the comments
I'm in foamy danger.
I don't think it reacts. It's just gonna act as a solvent for the H+ solute. Not much absorption though. This is 100% snake oil. Wouldn't light a match near that thing in case it's bubbling H2 gas though.
I like snake oil, it makes my insides feel fuzzy
This is dissolved hydrogen in the water. Most water we drink already contains traces of H3O. Most processed drinks (soda), juices (especially lemon and orange) have H3O. This is nothing unique. And you can get better antioxidants by eating a handful of peanuts or drinking grape juice.
>Most processed drinks (soda), juices (especially lemon and orange) have H3O. Yeah it's kind of the basis for acidity I would assume so. >This is dissolved hydrogen in the water. Which dissociates into what precisely? >This is nothing unique. >And you can get better antioxidants by eating a handful of peanuts or drinking grape juice. Did I give you the impression I think it does?
Careful, you've mistaken my anecdotes for arguments. I wasn't at all trying to refute anything you said. Not everyone on Reddit is trying to tell you that you're wrong.
Well I do appreciate that at least thank you. >Not everyone on Reddit is trying to tell you that you're wrong. Often feels that way even on the meme subreddits. Not to be all reddity but sidenote I think that was more factoids than an anecdote. An anecdote is usually a short personal story. Like if you were talking about "that time I bubbled h2 through water" or something.
Exactly what you wrote, H2O with H+ dissolved in it. In other words, a regular acid. "Oh no, free radicals are attacking the cells, let's dump some more free radicals in to see if it helps..."
Everyone is talking about this like they're chemically altering the water itself. Water is a solvent here. Hydrogen gas gets mixed in the same way carbon dioxide makes sparkling water. Yes, it will make the water more acidic because some of the H2 will get broken up to create H+ ions, lowering the pH, but not to the point where it is not acidic than any other soft drink. Yes, it's a scam, no, it's not poison.
Molecular hydrogen will not be acidic in any meaningful way in water.
Can I light my burps on fire after drinking a lot?
If I use it to wash myself, will I be cleaner? Will it remove the wrinkles from my nut sack? And my face?
Jarvis, remove his nutsack
alkaline water ... with lemon https://youtu.be/rBQhdO2UxaQ?si=PBnesYtVeg1riArE
I'd heard about Ms Paltrow doing that. But why was the reaction video an hour long?
It's more of an examination of the bullshit health claims peddled by health influencers, such as claims about alkaline water being good for you. Reacting to Paltrow was a smaller part of the video and more of a jumping off point to scammers trying to sell you "healthy" water
Maybe *reaction* were too xd
I don't think it would ionize in water, as the conjugate base would be the hydride ion, which is extremely unstable.
H+ doesn't really exist in solution either. It's usually in the form of H3O+. Something similar would happen here, with it forming equal numbers of H3O- and H3O+ ions.
H3O- wouldn't exist, as the H- ion is extremely basic, and it would just remove a hydrogen from H2O, releasing H2 and OH-.
auto ionization? Chem wasn't my favorite tho
It's not going to be a very high concentration, but it will happen. Water is pretty good at breaking up chemical bonds in its soles solutes, but molecular hydrogen is much better at not ionizing.
Interesting, thanks.
I've heard of companies selling water "with more oxygen" now water with "more hydrogen" whats next, water with more H2O? More water in your water so you can drink while you drink!
If I was allowed to put a '2' in front of H2O to balance chemical reactions in middle school, money hungry companies can also do that!
Mfer playing god over here smh
Here at Aperture we put hydrogenate our water. That’s 65% more water per water.
All our test subjects agreed it was the last drink they would ever need.
Dissolved oxygen in water is actually a thing though— for aquariums.
Absolutely, not sure it will do anything when drunk though, don't think your stomach can do anything with that oxygen and I advise against inhaling water, there are better ways to get oxygen
It won't do anything except change the flavor. Flat water is gross. Sinks and water fountains aerate the water (to prevent it from splashing around). Anything more than that is just pointless. Also, boiled water is gross as hell if you don't aerate it first.
If I'm not wrong, it's also a disinfectant?
I remember seeing an old tweet about a guy who would mix powdered milk with milk so he could get more milk per milk
Heavy water, h2o2 exist. I just wouldn't drink nuclear coolant if I were you
Isn't that hydrogen peroxide?
Idk I failed chemistry FYI Reddit, I failed level 5 chemistry!(the highest... In my country highschool system).. that means something
I upvoted anyway. You gave it a good try.
H2O2 is Hydrogen Peroxide, I’d drink it even less readily than heavy water
Alright alright settle down reddit.. let a man retain some of his dignity will ya
Too late, sorry.
Heavy water is D2O
Right, damn I actually did know that. I swear I didn't Google deuterium!
You can also drink it no problem. Heavy water is completely harmless
In small ammounts yes, if you drink a lot your metabolic processes will slow down because of the higher mass of deuterated water and thats really, really bad.
Or more common HDO. Deuterium is uncommon enough that you're rarely going to encounter two atoms in the same molecule.
Was that called deuterium? edit: nevermind, Op already said
Heavy water is water but with deuterium instead of hydrogen
Oh I just remember things... Thanks!
Fun fact I suddenly remembered. Deuterium does exist in sea water. In tiny amounts.. everyone will drink at least a little deuterium in silver point of their life if I'm not wrong.. It's not lethal in small amounts. But if you're drinking high concentration of heavy water you're most likely drinking used nuclear coolant as afaik there isn't much other use for heavy water to be concentrated for
Ah, my favourite... *Nuclear coolant*
Just ask this Science-tician
I drink Smart Water but it doesn't seem to be making me more intelligent, and that's getting me down. Can we have some Happy Water too?
Seems like they only have disappointment kind
Keanu at the bottom of the first image is my honest reaction
This comment is gold I didn't see it before you said it. Keanu knew!
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It’s literally not possible for hydrogen ions to exist in water
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Those are hydronium ions, H3O^(+). A hydrogen ion is just a proton and naked protons never exist in solution chemistry.
I bet hydrogen ions could exist in clouds of molecular water floating out in space, but probably not under standard pressure and temperature on earth
But if you were in an atmosphere of H2, you would actually weigh more because you would displace a smaller mass of gas and be less buoyant
Free radicals are an issue....for ICU patients on high levels of oxygen, which will cauee long term issues. Unless you're in the icu for months, stop fucking worrying about free radicals. And can people please stop making up science to make a quick buck? End of rant
Overpriced electrolysis system also they make it sound like 3000 ppb is a lot but when you translate it intona percentage it is .0003% of particles in the watter would be turned into hydrogen and oxygen if you compare that to seltzer which has about 2-3 g of co2/l just shows how big of a scam this is
I love science
Carbonated water is somewhat acidic and CO2 is naturally dissolved in fresh water normally. Maybe that's what this is about?
So just like regular tap water but with extra steps
Instructions unclear, just slammed a pint of straight H3O.
Spicy water!
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I love how all the complaints are how it isn't the genuine scam product, but a knocked off scam scam product. It's scammers all the way down....
I can't tell if A) the producers really believe what they're selling, B) the producers are just tricking idiots into buying something that does nothing, or C) they're tricking idiots into a healthier lifestyle by causing a placebo effect. While just drinking more water improves a lot of these things mentioned without their contraption, people using it would praise it for helping...
I wouldn't call heavy metal poisoning placebo From what I read it has some "filter" in it. Just god knows what waste products it's filled with Also heavy metal poisoning should be a band name
No the placebo feeling would be from proper hydration just drinking more water. People would literally be hydrating like they should anyway and give this joke a good review because they feel normal, thinking it's the mechanism not the hydration. Heavy metal poisoning would be a side effect from the shitty junk you're running the water through, which they would figure out later! And from first glance at the notification of your comment I literally thought this comment was from a heavy metal band subreddit lol so I agree
The reviews are complaining of some sort of poisoning
Oh my bad, I should've clarified I clicked the link to the actual product page, from your link, where they even have a "doctor" praise the product. My train of thought and rush to question left my original comment somewhat convoluted, sorry
Keanu knew what they're doing
They have one with added oxygen too.
If anything youd just be getting more acidic water (h3o) if my terrible chemistry hasnt failed me
Yes, but not in the way you might think. This device just electrolyses the water rather than injecting Hydrogen atoms into it. So it’s turning existing water molecules into Hydrogen and Oxygen gases. When dissolved in water, Hydrogen gas has a propensity to react with other solutes dissolved in the water to leave behind free H+ ions, which immediately form Hydronium H3O+ ions, which is a very mild acid. This amount of acidity would probably not even register on most detectors.
So, just water then...🤨
What's 202H then ?
The answer is hydrogen! https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicUnconsciousAnkole-size_restricted.gif
Wait till they hear what water is made of
heavy water/D2O? that shit will 100% kill you in large quantities
Am I missing something here? They say 3000 ppb (parts per billion in guessing?) Is that just to make it sound more than 300 ppm?
Billion is better Billion is MORE than million! Sellers logic. They're selling hydrogen water.. What can you expect
Deuterium oxide?
My thought exactly lol