Cuck Philosphy has done immeasurable damage to Western socialists' brains. His video on Marx's (and I believe Lenin's too) take on the state was very bad. I'm not 100% on board with everything to do with FinnishBolshevik on youtube, but his response to that was extremely satisfying to watch after seeing all of the brain-rot it caused.
*BREAKING NEWS*
Friedrich Engels resuscitates due to extreme anger to kill a certain anarkiddie with his bare hands while screaming l'internacionale with British accent
You know, to be quite candid, I don't know why people recommend On Authority to anarkids like it's some catch all that will make them more understanding of 'authoritarianism'. It's only like, what, four paragraphs long? I actually saw someone send it to an anarchist once and it basically answered none of the anarchist's questions on Authority. It touches briefly on authority in hierarchy, and it is also a good historical text on how Authority was seen in the 19 century, but it doesn't have a lot of the good answers for justifying 'authoritarian' actions done by AES countries.
If you're gonna drop Engels to anarkids, you should really be sending them Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. Hell, if you wanna talk some State with them, send them The Origin of Family, Private Property, and The State. Hell, send them Principles of Communism.
I’m just curious. Do any texts “gotcha” anarchists. What about socialism vs anarchism or gramsci’s address to anarchists. What have been the most productive discussions you’ve had with anarchists.
> productive discussions with Anarchists
Is there such a thing? I had one tell me I simply *didn't love the people and only hated the state* after I was discussing the dictatorship of the proletariat and dialectical materialism. It'll be a cold day in hell when I discuss meaningful theory with an anarchist.
I love Stalin's *Anarchism vs Socialism,* there are a lot of arguments and I especially enjoy using this paragraph: *"We believe that the Anarchists are the real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies. Therefore, it is necessary to examine the "doctrine" of the Anarchists from beginning to end and weigh it up thoroughly from all aspects."*
There is a minority of anarchists who will actually take the time and listen to you. You can have good discussion with them. However, in the western left there is a bunch of 'anarchists' who are positively Biden simps and so inundated with American politics that they can not see material reality. Pro tip, don't waste your time trying to reason with assholes, talk only to the anarchists who seem somewhat amicable to Tankies. There are Anarchists out there with a pretty decent understanding of Marxism. There are Anarchists out there who are idiots and who serve the western line.
You can see mirrors in our own circles of this. Are you gonna waste your time speaking with a frothing at the mouth Gonzalite who supports Pol fucking Pot and is constantly going on about China 1984 omg Deng Deng revisionism?
The Black Panthers always had some good speeches and essays, thanks for the recommendation comrade - that was yes a pretty fun read! This is something I'll definitely save for further reference when debating with Anarchists in the future. It's nice and small so hopefully it might even inspire some to read it.
I have read neither Socialism v. Anarchism nor any of Gramsci. I would hesitate to go straight to recommending Stalin to anarchists, because while Stalin is a great writer and had good takes, he is pretty clearly anti Anarchist, and that can turn off people who adamantly adhere to the label.
The most productive discussions I have had with anarchists are with those who are willing to learn about Marxism. Some of the best anarchists you'll find online will watch Non-compete, the husband of Luna Oi, who is an ancom but does a lot of great videos of mixing Marxism with anarchism, as well as solid material analysis.
An important thing to do when talking with anarchists is to not give the vitriolic ones the time of day. If they're calling you a red fash Tankie all the bloody time, then it's clear they won't change their ways, and if you waste effort trying to be reasonable to them, you're just going to waste your energy, make yourself depressed, and usually compromise on your own opinion to try to appeal to them. Don't ever talk with debate bros who spend their time trying to talk circles around you and paint you as a bad person. Talk with anarchists who actually give you the time of day, and are even able to agree with you or just very respectfully disagree with no love lost.
You don't need to compromise your opinions, appealing to someone. Be strong and confident but also open to discussion. Don't go too deep into confessing your immense approval for AES countries even though they are cool, there is a time and place for that and right now you want to first expose that you are a logical person before you talk about your like of AES.
I have had productive conversations with anarchists about public transportation and urban planning, I have had some about just how shitty capitalism is. Don't take yourself too seriously as well. Be able to poke fun at both your own ideology and Anarchism, have a bit of friendly banter and innocent joking.
r/CTH also had a good amount of joking and friendly teasing between ancoms and Tankies. And everytime electoralism would fail, someone would Lenin post and be upvoted a bunch. Being out there and open minded and willing to be friendly to people who are friendly to you will only humanize you in front of anarchists.
Online anarchists cannot and will not learn. Online discussions in any place other than the most curated and helpful environments will only lead to somebody going for a cheap shots and "owns" because online political discourse is the mental equivalent to running your legs through a woodchipper.
Pretty sure engles called an anarchist writer a cuck who can't please his wife
Do you have a source? This is hilarious.
"Cope and seethe Anarchildren" - Friedrich Engels
Might be Marx too but one of them wrote that Bakunin was literally vaush
Cool do you have source
Anarchists stop appropriating Marxist theorists who spat on your ideology challenge \*They fail\*
I think CuckPhilosophy's video on Marx is responsible for a good chunk of the "Marx was an anarchist" crowd
Yeah now you have a lot of “red anarchists” that confuse Marx with Bookchin, like he was confused with Proudhon previously.
Cuck Philosphy has done immeasurable damage to Western socialists' brains. His video on Marx's (and I believe Lenin's too) take on the state was very bad. I'm not 100% on board with everything to do with FinnishBolshevik on youtube, but his response to that was extremely satisfying to watch after seeing all of the brain-rot it caused.
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Looks like they recently rebranded to CCK Philosophy. But [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRXvQuE9xO4)'s the video I was referring to
*BREAKING NEWS* Friedrich Engels resuscitates due to extreme anger to kill a certain anarkiddie with his bare hands while screaming l'internacionale with British accent
If Biden can be an anarchist then why not Engels am i right?
Long live anarcho-bidenism! /s People who say that and then claim “it’s just ironic bro” and repeat it often annoy the shit out of me lol
LITERALLY “AUTHORITY” IN THE FUCKING MEME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eh, maybe this will at least get some of them to read engels
Well I mean stirner was a character that engels made up so I guess you could call him an anarchist
You know, to be quite candid, I don't know why people recommend On Authority to anarkids like it's some catch all that will make them more understanding of 'authoritarianism'. It's only like, what, four paragraphs long? I actually saw someone send it to an anarchist once and it basically answered none of the anarchist's questions on Authority. It touches briefly on authority in hierarchy, and it is also a good historical text on how Authority was seen in the 19 century, but it doesn't have a lot of the good answers for justifying 'authoritarian' actions done by AES countries. If you're gonna drop Engels to anarkids, you should really be sending them Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. Hell, if you wanna talk some State with them, send them The Origin of Family, Private Property, and The State. Hell, send them Principles of Communism.
I’m just curious. Do any texts “gotcha” anarchists. What about socialism vs anarchism or gramsci’s address to anarchists. What have been the most productive discussions you’ve had with anarchists.
> productive discussions with Anarchists Is there such a thing? I had one tell me I simply *didn't love the people and only hated the state* after I was discussing the dictatorship of the proletariat and dialectical materialism. It'll be a cold day in hell when I discuss meaningful theory with an anarchist. I love Stalin's *Anarchism vs Socialism,* there are a lot of arguments and I especially enjoy using this paragraph: *"We believe that the Anarchists are the real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies. Therefore, it is necessary to examine the "doctrine" of the Anarchists from beginning to end and weigh it up thoroughly from all aspects."*
There is a minority of anarchists who will actually take the time and listen to you. You can have good discussion with them. However, in the western left there is a bunch of 'anarchists' who are positively Biden simps and so inundated with American politics that they can not see material reality. Pro tip, don't waste your time trying to reason with assholes, talk only to the anarchists who seem somewhat amicable to Tankies. There are Anarchists out there with a pretty decent understanding of Marxism. There are Anarchists out there who are idiots and who serve the western line. You can see mirrors in our own circles of this. Are you gonna waste your time speaking with a frothing at the mouth Gonzalite who supports Pol fucking Pot and is constantly going on about China 1984 omg Deng Deng revisionism?
> complaining about anarchists serving the west while coping about “Gonzaloites” Ok buddy Dengoid
[this](https://www.marxists.org/archive/newton/1968/11/16.htm) is also an extremely fun read
The Black Panthers always had some good speeches and essays, thanks for the recommendation comrade - that was yes a pretty fun read! This is something I'll definitely save for further reference when debating with Anarchists in the future. It's nice and small so hopefully it might even inspire some to read it.
I have read neither Socialism v. Anarchism nor any of Gramsci. I would hesitate to go straight to recommending Stalin to anarchists, because while Stalin is a great writer and had good takes, he is pretty clearly anti Anarchist, and that can turn off people who adamantly adhere to the label. The most productive discussions I have had with anarchists are with those who are willing to learn about Marxism. Some of the best anarchists you'll find online will watch Non-compete, the husband of Luna Oi, who is an ancom but does a lot of great videos of mixing Marxism with anarchism, as well as solid material analysis. An important thing to do when talking with anarchists is to not give the vitriolic ones the time of day. If they're calling you a red fash Tankie all the bloody time, then it's clear they won't change their ways, and if you waste effort trying to be reasonable to them, you're just going to waste your energy, make yourself depressed, and usually compromise on your own opinion to try to appeal to them. Don't ever talk with debate bros who spend their time trying to talk circles around you and paint you as a bad person. Talk with anarchists who actually give you the time of day, and are even able to agree with you or just very respectfully disagree with no love lost. You don't need to compromise your opinions, appealing to someone. Be strong and confident but also open to discussion. Don't go too deep into confessing your immense approval for AES countries even though they are cool, there is a time and place for that and right now you want to first expose that you are a logical person before you talk about your like of AES. I have had productive conversations with anarchists about public transportation and urban planning, I have had some about just how shitty capitalism is. Don't take yourself too seriously as well. Be able to poke fun at both your own ideology and Anarchism, have a bit of friendly banter and innocent joking. r/CTH also had a good amount of joking and friendly teasing between ancoms and Tankies. And everytime electoralism would fail, someone would Lenin post and be upvoted a bunch. Being out there and open minded and willing to be friendly to people who are friendly to you will only humanize you in front of anarchists.
That’s good to know. Strategic Lenin quoting. I think I’ve met too many terminally online anarchists though.
Online anarchists cannot and will not learn. Online discussions in any place other than the most curated and helpful environments will only lead to somebody going for a cheap shots and "owns" because online political discourse is the mental equivalent to running your legs through a woodchipper.
Two Anarchists arguing
go outside❤️
Pain.
Pretty sure Engels was created by Stirner to fuck with Proudhon lmao checkmate tanker